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Re: DNA results vs records #dna

EdrieAnne Broughton
 

I'm one of your non-Jewish posters.  I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood in Los Angeles.  My friends were mostly Jewish.  My mother had studied anthropology in college and reading was our main 'sport'.  It hasn't changed even in my mid 70s.  I recently finished a Great Courses on Audible on the Ottoman Empire.  I really recommend this geographical history and cultural history to anyone who has roots in Southeastern Europe and Asia Minor.  This includes Christians, Jews and Sunni Muslims.  Many of you who know that Russia had control of parts of your ancestors' homelands completely miss the fact that the Ottomans had control of it for longer that Russia was even a factor.  The Ottomans had a much different management style than the Hapsburgs, Russians or Prussians.  
EdrieAnne Broughton
Vacaville, California   


Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Gary Pokrassa
 

Alex Krakovsky does have posted an additional revision List for Volyn Province 1883 which has data from Ostrog on p. 69 and 145 archive ref 118-14-93 link (copy this into the browser dont click on it)
Additional auditory tales of the Volyn province. 1881–1883 // RAIN. F. 118. Op. 14. Ref. 93.

As Chuck says this has not been digitized or indexed.  while just before your date it may have information on the parents

Gary Pokrassa
gpokrassa@...
Data Acquisition Director
Ukraine Research Division
JewishGen.org


Re: DNA results vs records #dna

rich.meyersburg@...
 

I received Ancestry's new estimates of ethnicity yesterday along with great fanfare and their airy comments of new definitions and greater accuracy.  Mine changed from 100% European Jewish to 100% European Jewish.  Nope not a typo. No further definitions.  My father's family came from Hanover and Hess in Germany, and Bydgoszcz in Poland (then Bromberg in Prussia), and the Grodno gubernia which was Russia and is now in Belarus, and my mother's from Hungary, and Transylvania (formerly Hungary, now Romania) - A good solid mix of European Jewish ancestry.  If one looks at the US Census records, he/she can see how the country of origin listings change for a person over the years according to who reigns over the territory, and as we have seen they are still changing. L'Shana Tovah.  Rich Meyersburg, Laurel, MD
 


Re: How to find UKRAINE birth and marriage records #ukraine #records #russia

Chuck Weinstein
 

Unfortunately, there are no known birth or marriage records from Ostrog (modern Ostroh, Ukraine).  The Regional Museum in Ostroh possesses a portion of the 1886 Revision List (census). To our knowledge, it has not been digitized.or indexed.  Sorry we can't be of more help.

Chuck Weinstein
Towns Director, JewishGen Ukraine Research Division
chuck1@... 


Re: Hungarian Diary Translation Needed #general #hungary #translation

JPmiaou@...
 

I suggest picking a page or two and posting on ViewMate. Poetry translation really depends on the specific poem, so while I'm willing to give it a try, I don't want to commit to the whole thing, and posting to VM would give others a chance to try, as well.

Julia Szent-Györgyi
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Yizkor book for Jaroslaw #galicia

Dan Rottenberg
 

This is a call to anyone with Jewish roots in Jaroslaw, Poland (formerly Galicia). A yizkor book for Jaroslaw—"Sefer Yaroslav: gal-'ed le-zekher 'irenu"— was published in 1978 in Tel Aviv. JewishGen has the original Hebrew version online. But it's never been translated into English, except for the table of contents. JewishGen tells me such a translation project would cost $9-$10,000 and would require a volunteer coordinator. I can't spare the time to coordinate this project but would be willing to put up one-third of the needed funds. If anyone else would like to step forward to coordinate and/or contribute to this project, please respond here or contact Lance Ackerfield at lackerfeld@....
Dan Rottenberg
Philadelphia PAdan@...


Re: 50 State Survey Finds One Out of 10 Millennials and Generation Z Didi Not Recall Word 'Holocaust: or Basic Facts of the Genocide #announcements # holocaust #announcements #usa

Sarah L Meyer
 

Amazing.  I am so sad that so many states have so little awareness, and glad to see that my former home state Iowa is among the ones with a greater awareness.  When we lived there, there were a number of survivors, most of whom are no longer living.  
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Info and questions please #general #russia

Sarah L Meyer
 

Kherson is a guberniya in what is now the southern Ukraine.  It is not in Galicia.  You can find information in the Ukraine SIG or the Jewish communities database on Jewishgen

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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: 🍎🍯 Shana Tova from JewishGen!🍎🍯 #JewishGenUpdates

Sarah L Meyer
 

L' Shana Tova Tikutevu v' tikutema.  May you all be inscribed and sealed for a healthy, happy and prosperous New Year.
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Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: 🍎🍯 Shana Tova from JewishGen!🍎🍯 #JewishGenUpdates

Rodrigo Marfinati Hervoso
 


On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, 22:49 Avraham Groll, <agroll@...> wrote:
Wishing you all a Shana Tova, and a year filled with health, happiness, and only good things!


Re: DNA results vs records #dna

JPmiaou@...
 

Expanding a bit on Adam's excellent reply: whether your ancestors were Jewish or not, what it comes down to is that geography is not genetic, no matter what Ancestry and the other DNA companies would have you believe. I think the reference sample databases would need to be at least an order of magnitude bigger -- and more carefully researched! -- for DNA to be able to reliably tell apart neighboring populations, and to reduce the false pattern-population associations that currently plague the genre, but even then, migration will always mess up the urge to label populations geographically.

The recent revisions on Ancestry are a case in point: they used to put my mom as nearly all Eastern European, a broad but basically accurate category. The new estimate gives her 5% Scotland, which is so ridiculous I don't have the words. It's worse than MyHeritage's preposterous 6.3% Scandinavian.

The admixture estimates part of the DNA landscape is still "for entertainment value only"; I used to describe MH as the clown of the show, but I think with Ancestry's latest update, I'm going to have to revise that.

Julia Szent-Györgyi
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Re: 🍎🍯 Shana Tova from JewishGen!🍎🍯 #JewishGenUpdates

Molly Staub
 

Shana tova from Boca Raton, FL and thanks for all you do


Searching Michael GOLDSMITH Volochysk/Podvolochisk #ukraine

Karen ADELMAN
 

My grandfather,Michael GOLDSMITH, was from Volochisk.  He once told me his father was from Podvolochisk.  Looking for information on either/both towns and trying to locate any family.


Shana Tova

Andrzej
 

 

 

 

 

Keep safe and healthy

Andrzej Puchacz

Warsaw, Poland

 

 


Re: DNA results vs records #dna

The Becker's Email
 

Speaking English does not necessarily indicate your family spent time in England before arriving in the US.  My assumption would be that by the time they applied for US citizenship, they had picked up enough English to manage daily affairs.  They had to be in the US at  least 5 years before becoming a citizen and, for some, they were here a  lot longer.

And, as Sally notes in her reply, Germany, Russia and Poland seemed to be frequently re-dividing up parts of Europe.

Johanna Becker


This week's Yizkorbook excerpt on the JewishGen Facebook page #belarus #ukraine #yizkorbooks

Bruce Drake
 

Rosh Hashanah begins this evening, and here I bring you two excerpts from Yizkor books about the holiday, one from Gorodets in Belarus and the other from Podhajce in Ukraine.
The sounds of the shofar fill these memories of Gorodets in its chapter titled “Rosh Hashanah” and of Podhajce in its telling of “The First Day of Rosh Hashanah, and the Observance of Tashlich.”
In the crowded Gorodets synagogue there is “a holy stillness…An intense chill runs through the body. The sound of the shofar is carried throughout the whole street. The tones produced by the shofar feel like an effusion – outpouring of a desolate spirit of hundreds and hundreds of years of living in the Diaspora, mixed with the closeness to God.”
In Podhajce, “The crowds of worshippers reached the river, and their lips uttered the Tashlich prayer, whose main theme is to “cast to the depths of the sea all of their sins.” The author writes “when the prayer was done, “personal oppression was lifted from the heart. However, the masses of worshippers remained standing at the banks of the river without moving. The last rays of sunlight lit up their faces. As I looked around, I saw the bent forms of those standing in prayer at the banks of the river straighten out.”

Bruce Drake
Silver Spring MD


Harvard Yiddish Theater Collection #announcements

Robert Murowchick
 

JG members might be interested in viewing a fine online exhibition of materials in the Harvard Yiddish Theater Collection that is currently freely available online at the following link:
https://library.harvard.edu/collections/harvard-yiddish-theater-collections

Here's the website's own description of what is included:

"In its heyday, you could find professional Yiddish theater companies throughout Eastern and Central Europe, in major cities like Berlin, London, Paris, Buenos Aires and New York City, and on tour through innumerable small towns. Yiddish actors, directors, designers and producers often crossed into theater work in other languages, making Yiddish theater a global conduit for theatrical ideas and techniques.
 
At the heart of the Harvard Yiddish Theater Collection are unique archival collections documenting the lives and works of some of the most renowned practitioners of Yiddish Theater:
The Joseph Buloff Jewish Theater Archive documents 20th century Yiddish theater through the lives and works of legendary performers and married couple Joseph Buloff (1899-1985) and Luba Kadison Buloff (1906-2006). 

The Pesach'ke Burstein and Lillian Lux Yiddish Theater Archive traces the careers and lives of Pesach Burstein (1896-1986) and Lillian Lux (1918-2005), as well as their son Michael Burstyn (b. 1945), who performed separately and as a family in Europe, the United States, South America and Israel for most of the 20th century. 

The Seymour Rechtzeit Jewish Theater Collection contains papers, photographs and audio recordings of actors and singers Seymour Rechtzeit (1908-2002) and Miriam Kressyn (1910-1996). In addition to varied careers on the American Yiddish stage, Rechtzeit and Kressyn, who were husband and wife as well as artistic collaborators, were also prolific radio performers with long-running radio programs, such as The Forward Hour and Memories of the Yiddish Theater. 

The Leo Fuchs Yiddish Theater Archive follows the life and career of Leo Fuchs (1911-1994), the “Yiddish Fred Astaire.” Fuchs career spanned Yiddish theater, Yiddish film, Broadway theater and Hollywood movies (including The Frisco Kid). 

The Max Eisen Jewish Theater Collection provides insight into the business side of Yiddish theater in the United States. Max Eisen (1918-2009) worked as a theater press agent in New York from 1954-1996. Houghton Library [=Harvard's Rare Book Library] has Eisen’s papers from his work for Broadway and off-Broadway productions; the Eisen Jewish Theater Collection features his work on behalf of Yiddish theater productions.

The Yiddish Theater collection also includes scripts, programs and video recordings from the Yidishpil theater in Israel, as well as materials from contemporary Yiddish theater companies in the United States. There are also thousands of audio recordings and musical scores of Yiddish theater music. Many ephemeral publications produced for Yiddish theater around the world—programs, advertisements, posters—have been digitized and can be seen in HOLLIS [=Harvard's online library catalogue]. 
 
These primary sources are complemented by a comprehensive collection of scholarly books and articles examining the history and ongoing influence of the Yiddish theater."

Some 2,700 digitized images of flyers, posters, brochures, programs, and photographs can be viewed at HOLLIS Visual Collections "Yiddish Theater"
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Robert Murowchick    <robertmurowchick AT gmail.com>
Needham, MA

Researching these family links:
MUROWCHICK/MURAWCHICK/MURAWCZYK etc (David-Gorodok, Belarus, New Jersey, Chicago)
KUNECK/KONIK/KYONIK (Kozhan-Gorodok, Belarus)
EPSTEIN/EPSTINE (Gavish/Gavieze, Liepaja, Latvia)
SEGAL/SIEGEL (Tilsit, Koenigsburg, Germany; Baltimore; Chicago)


Re: DNA results vs records #dna

Adam Turner
 

Forgive the silly question, but it's worth clarifying, since some non-Jewish people do post here occasionally: the ancestors you're referring to in your father's family were Jewish, right? Because when you say "updated DNA results," that makes me think that what you're referring to is Ancestry's estimate of your ethnicity (which were just updated this week for many if not all customers), as opposed to your father's family's birthplaces or their nationality. 

Ancestry now gets fairly granular at estimating ethnicity, for both Jewish and non-Jewish ethnicities. Within the "European Jewish" ethnicity there are are now six different sub-regions, which have substantial geographical overlap with one another and are organized into two different groups: three sub-regions in "Central and Eastern Europe," and three in "Western and Central Europe." (This latter group includes the sub-region I think you might be referring to here: "Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg." There are even more sub-regions listed for the non-Jewish "Germanic Europe" ethnicity. 

Here's the thing: the ethnicity estimates are not even close to a declaration of the specific geographical location where your family lived when they immigrated from Europe about 130 years ago. They are a broad and likely messy estimate of a population your ancestors were a part of, say, 400 to 1500 years ago. (Ancestry says: " your ethnicity estimate..shows you where your ancestors might have lived hundreds, or even a thousand years ago.") But people, especially Ashkenazi Jews, didn't stay in the same place for a thousand years! So just because AncestryDNA's estimate gives your ethnicity as "European Jewish-->Western and Central Europe--> Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg", that doesn't mean that your ancestors couldn't have lived in the Russian Empire around 1880. All it means is a substantial number of your ancestors in maybe 1300 or 1400 most likely came from a Jewish population in Central or Western Europe. They could definitely have moved east from what is now Germany into what became the Russian Empire over the intervening centuries.

So where, exactly, did your ancestors live in the 19th century, and how might a family with ancestors who likely lived in Central Europe around the Middle Ages ended up listing "Russia" as their birthplace on their naturalization papers? An ethnicity estimate can't even begin to give you answers to those questions; only careful research can.

Adam Turner


ViewMate translation request - Polish #translation #poland

ofer@...
 


I've posted a vital record in Polish for which I need a translation.
This is the death certificate of my grandmother's lost sister who died in Lublin when they were living in Warszaw/

It is on ViewMate at the following address ...

https://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM86494
Please respond via the form provided on the ViewMate image page.

Thank you very much.


Dr. Ofer Cornfeld


Re: Need photo of gravestone in old Jewish cemetery of Casale Monferrato in Italy #photographs

Carl Kaplan
 

I am a volunteer for Find A Grave, and photograph gravestones at my local cemeteries when there is a request. I have not done the reverse (someone please correct me if I am wrong), but I think you can create a memorial for the grave, and then request a photo. If there is a volunteer nearby, maybe they will take it. 
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Carl Kaplan

KAPLAN Minsk, Belarus
EDELSON, EDINBURG Kovno, Lithuania
HOFFERT, BIENSTOCK< BIENENSTOCK Kolbuszowa, Galicia
STEINBERG, KLINGER, WEISSBERG, APPELBERG Bukaczowce, Galicia

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