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Re: FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Barbara Mannlein <bsmannlein@...>
 

Phil,  
I suspect that it is just the way the info was transcribed and categorized.  It appears that Rebeke’s birth record was recorded in at least 2 places.   Note that one transcription included the certificate # while another one, using the same film, did not.   Also, I do not think it was usual to baptize an infant on the day of birth, but I’m not sure about that.

If you search for   rebeke wiener b 1870 in ny   these 3 records come up:   All have the same event date,  29 July 1870, but only one is is in a record set which includes christenings.  

   Microfilm #             database                                                             birth cert #
1. 1,322,029       https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM      not given

2   1,322,029      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27BZ-RLR :        52185

3   1,315,318      https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YF-RR8           not given


1st record.

Record Collection:
Document Information:
Reference ID 52185 
GS Film Number 1322029
Digital Folder Number 004193038 
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C59461-2
System Origin VR 
Record Number 12707191 
"New York Births and Christenings, 1640-1962", database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM : 21 January 2020), Rebeke Wiener, .


2nd record:  
  
"New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27BZ-RLR : 11 Feb 2018), Rebeke Wiener, 29 Jul 1870; citing Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, reference cn 52185 New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,322,029.


3rd record: 
Record Collection:
Document Information:
Reference ID v 21 p 316 
GS Film Number 1315318
"New York, New York City Births, 1846-1909," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27YF-RR8 : 11 February 2018), Rebecca Weiner, 29 Jul 1870; citing Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, reference v 21 p 316 New York Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,315,318.

Barbara Mannlein
Tucson, AZ

On Jul 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Phil Karlin <philk@...> wrote:
I've recently come across christenings records for Jewish relatives on FamilySearch. There are several siblings for whom such records exists. They look identical to the birth records except for the label. Since Family History Centers are closed for Covid-19, I can't see the originals. Here's a link to one: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=KJC2-V2Y

All I can glean from reading the database description is that it's a database constructed by FamilySearch, and it's not clear where they got the underlying info. It's possible that recent Hungarian Jewish immigrants with a desire to assimilate had it done for 6 daughters over a decade. (Four married Jews and had Jewish families, one did not, one didn't marry.) Or is it possible that it's just something that happened in NYC hospitals in the 1870's, with or without parental permission? Would it have happened in the hospital, or in a church?


Re: Prior test database? I am Ashkenazi Jewish and need a bone marrow transplant to live #announcements

btkerman@...
 

Over the years I have gotten tested by both the GiftOfLife and BeTheMatch registries. At a local drive for a Jewish patient run by DKSM I was told that there was no need to be added to their system since the registries are all linked. 
I contacted Ezer Mizion and they confirmed that if you have been previously swabbed and added to another registry you don't need to join theirs. 
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


Kantor of Tetiev #ukraine

staciaancestry@...
 

Looking for information about the Kantor family. Looks like they came from Tetiev, Ukraine, but need help getting unstuck in my search. Can't find them in any research there. Brothers Aaron (went by Henry too) and Edward seem to have married Sirgutz sisters. Lost Edward when he got to US too. Might have gone to Buffalo? Aaron stayed in NYC. I'd appreciate a push to get moving again. Thanks.
Stacia


Re: Percentages of ancestry - my Ashkenazi father seems to be partly of Italian/Greek descent? #dna

Adam Cherson
 

Dear Sarah Rose Werner,
I'm tying into this thread late, but would like to share an angle that might still be insightful to you. After years of intensive research on the origins of Jewish ethnicity, I have reached the conclusion that what we call Ashkenazi is a compilation of several ethnicities. Your typical ancestry report sees these components and reports them as SE Europe or E Europe or others, but there is more to it than that. I have developed a study method which goes deeper than usual to identify ancient cultures (not only Jewish) which are underneath the Ashkenazi surface. I can apply this method to a single individual or to a paternal/maternal pair. In either case, both sides of the deep ancestry are identifiable, although only in the latter can the results specify which branch donated what. In your instance, since you have a very different paternal/maternal ancestry, the parental attributions from a single-individual study will be almost as clear as if you had DNA from both parental lines. If you are interested I can send you an explanation of how this works.
Cordially,
Adam Cherson
NY, NY


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Trudy Barch
 

I recently posted on this site about my Russian family Glauberman and its many spellings.   Through other genners I learned about conscription   There was no formal adoption like today.  Many families with several sons would give one boy to a neighboring family that had no sons.   This was a common practice to keep the boy out of military school and service. Often conversion went along with the military school.   Judy in my family, one boy was given to a Meddnik family.  Similar name or different spelling????   I wonder if we are talking about the same family.     Trudy Barch


Re: Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #courland #latvia #russia #poland #general

Diane Jacobs
 

My great grandparents and children did the same route from Vilna in early 1888 .

Diane Jacobs 



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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] Emigration Routes to London UK 1890s #general #courland #latvia #russia #poland

This is from the report of a couple leaving from Kozelets in Chernigi=ov in Ukraine: They went to Hamburg where they boarded the Sprite on May 24, 1890, which took them to Hull, on the east coast of England. They took a train across England to Liverpool where they boarded the City of Chicago, which arrived in New York on June 9. I have no idea how common a route that might have been.
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Martin family, Prestwich, England #unitedkingdom

VINCENT JEFFERY
 

Hi. I am a Mancunian. Strangeways was a predominately Jewish area in the 1880s and early 1900s. Prestwich was part of Manchester, Lancashire and is now part of Greater Manchester. It has a very large population of Jewish people and there is a local Jewish paper that has a roots page periodically. Maybe you can contact them. Hope this helps. regards Suzanne  


Re: Martin family, Prestwich, England #unitedkingdom

Philip
 

Hi Judy,

I'm not sure I can help with tracing the family, but I can certainly supply you with information about the area, as I live in Prestwich!  Incidentally, your N.B. is a little wide of the mark - these days Prestwich is part of the Bury local authority area, which borders Manchester on its (Bury's) southern edge.

Using your info I spotted a birth record for a Rebecca Martin, birth registered in the June 1859 quarter in the Chorlton registration district.  Chorlton covered part of South Manchester, whereas of course Strangeways was (and is) north of Manchester City Centre.  No idea whether this is 'your' Rebecca - we'd need the actual birth certificate to check.  Anyway let me know if I can be of any more help.

Kind regards, Philip


FamilySearch Christening records in 1870's New York #usa #general

Phil Karlin
 

I've recently come across christenings records for Jewish relatives on FamilySearch. There are several siblings for whom such records exists. They look identical to the birth records except for the label. Since Family History Centers are closed for Covid-19, I can't see the originals. Here's a link to one: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HQB6-NBZM?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=KJC2-V2Y

All I can glean from reading the database description is that it's a database constructed by FamilySearch, and it's not clear where they got the underlying info. It's possible that recent Hungarian Jewish immigrants with a desire to assimilate had it done for 6 daughters over a decade. (Four married Jews and had Jewish families, one did not, one didn't marry.) Or is it possible that it's just something that happened in NYC hospitals in the 1870's, with or without parental permission? Would it have happened in the hospital, or in a church?

What should I make of it?

Phil Karlin


Re: My father seeking neighborhood friends from Bayside, Queens #names #usa

indsnw@...
 

Hi Sarah,

There is a Facebook group, Queens Back In The Day, which, if you join the group on FB, has had many people posting names of people they are looking for from their youths in Queens, with successful outcomes. Best of luck
 https://www.facebook.com/groups/QueensBackInTheDay/


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

Sarah L Meyer
 

I have a similar story on my father's side.  My great grandfather ostensibly purchased papers to avoid the Czarist conscription.  He bought the surname MEYER (although I like the adoption part too) because I don't think his first name was changed.  Fortunately we know that the original name was PERCHIK   So Fishel PERCHIK became Fishel MEYER and came to the US in 1884 as Fishel MEYER.  His wife Rebecca came in 1887 as Rebecca MEYER but she had been previously married - we don't know to whom.  Her maiden name was HITE.  My mother (z"l) was talking to a woman in Seattle about 1960 and the woman asked if they could be related because her maiden name was also MEYER.  My mother related this story--- and the woman had the identical story in her family.
--
Sarah L Meyer
Georgetown TX
ANK(I)ER, BIGOS, KARMELEK, PERLSTADT, STOKFISZ, SZPIL(T)BAUM, Poland
BIRGARDOVSKY, EDELBERG, HITE (CHAIT), PERCHIK Russia (southern Ukraine) and some Latvia or Lithuania
https://www.sarahsgenies.com


Re: Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland

Stanley Diamond
 

 
 
The Jewish birth, marriage and death records of Poland displayed on JewishGen were
indexed/extracted by Jewish Records Indexing-Poland <https://jri-poland.org//>
They are displayed on JewishGen.org as a courtesy and service to all researchers.
 
The JRI-Poland search system which can be accessed by clicking on "search" on the
navigation bar provides multiple options for searching.
 
There are distinctive features for searching the JRI-Poland database that new researchers
may be not be aware of.  It is possible for all researchers to search the JRI-Poland database
by surname, given name, town, and keyword or a combination of up to four of these. 
 
There are other options that are unique to JRI-Poland. You can search by year ranges and
record types.  Also, only by searching through the JRI-Poland portal can you specify a
radius of, say, 25, 50 or 100 kilometers or miles from certain geographical coordinates.
This can still focus your search, but also yield results from several different Gubernias. 
These features will be further enhanced with the expanded search system now under
development under JRI-Poland's "Next Generation website and data management project."
 
Together, these features provide an invaluable tool to researchers – both for expanding your
overview or focusing searches and solving dilemmas associated with too many results when
a search involves large towns and common surnames - or even finding the long-forgotten town
name that has eluded you.
 
Coincidentally, as an example of optional search paramaters, just yesterday, in response to 
a post regarding research for a Kuty record. Logan Kleinwaks wrote (thank you, Logan),"

 

        "Although Kuty marriage records from this time might not be known to survive, this

         record was registered in Kolomyja, where the marriage took place and where the

         bride lived. Found by searching JRI-Poland for surname KLINGER and town Kuty."

 
To learn more about the current status on indexing/extraction of the records for your town,
write to [townname]@jri-poland.org
 
Stanley Diamond, M.S.M.  (Montreal, 514-484-0100)
Executive Director, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland, Inc.
 

Understanding Russia/Poland #general #russia #poland
From: Rachel
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 22:37:00 EDT

 

The only information that I have on my ggf's birthplace comes from his

marriage authorisation in the UK dated 1893 which says Russia/Poland. 

He was born in 1871.

 

I know that the boundaries changed and that the Jewishgen databases

show the ruling areas by town.

 

My issue is I don't know which town, or Gurbenia he came from.

Is there anything that can help me work out whether he was born in Poland

which then became part of Russia, or Russia which became part of Poland?

Rachel Poole UK

 


Re: נושא חן. #belarus

Beth Erez
 

There is facebook site for Shklov (Jewish Families from Shklov, Belarus) and a researcher who maintains an open google drive with the following lists.  Maybe going through them you might find a name similar to that you are looking for. 

 
 

Hi Everyone,

I have been doing some work to collect and catalogue Shklov genealogical information and make it more accessible for researchers.

In this Google folder you will find a number of lists of Jews from Shklov that I have catalogued. I hope you find the information useful.

I am still working on a few more lists, but in the meantime, the folder includes the following information:

A full list of people buried in the Jewish cemetery in Shklov.

A list of the largest Jewish businesses in Shklov in 1902.

A list of Jews from Shklov mentioned in Mogilevskie Gubernskie Vedomosti in 1907 & 1912.

A list of Jewish public workers from Shklov extracted from Mogilev Gubernia Memory Books published in 1864-1916.

A list of students of the Shklov Jewish Elementary School who studied military gymnastics in 1896/1897.

A list of Jews from Shklov who were given the certificate of a Melamed (teacher) in 1896 and 1900.

A list of Jewish professionals & businessmen from Shklov extracted from Mogilev Gubernia Memory Books published in 1864-1916.

A list of appointed Rabbis from Shklov extracted From Mogilev Gubernia Memory Books published in 1869-1913.

A full list of people buried with the Second Schklover Welfare Society in Beth David Cemetery and Washington Cemetery.

A full list of people buried with the Schklover Independent Benevolent Association in Mount Zion Cemetery.

A list of members of the Schklover Independent Benevolent Association.

A list of Shklov Gedmatch Numbers.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1W-8JolMYt_sZ7TgTjRxz8p3sYUswOGYo&fbclid=IwAR1pXfZ3MEQZb3qpQFv6Pnj6omkyoGW1C1JsE_FMv5ivUlKErTvGyehH1Hg


FOR EXAMPLE, if you look at 
List of Students of the Shklov Jewish Elementary School Who Studied Military Gymnastics in 1896/1897, there is the name: Neusikhin, Dovid (also written there as 

Неусихин Довид

That looks pretty close to me.  And I only looked at that one list (because it is the one that I found a potential relative of ours on it)


Re: need a document from Nuernberg Staatsarchiv, Germany #germany

Corinna Woehrl
 

Hello Arline,

each archive in Germany has a different structure and I am only firm with the archives in Northern Germany.
Here is a link to online-documents of the Bavarian state-archives:

https://www.gda.bayern.de/service/findmitteldatenbank/

If you don't find the file/documents via the above link, it may not be digitzed – which is quite likely, because only a small amount of documents from most archives in Germany are online.

I would recommend to either write to the author of the book (who may have digital documents for the book) or to the Nuernberg Staatsarchiv via:

poststellestanu.bayern.de

Good luck and regards from Germany,
Corinna


Re: "His name was changed at Ellis Island" #names

polly.goldberg@...
 

Yes, ignorance of American law is exactly why my great-grandfather believed that he was stuck with "Berg" when his name was "Bershadsky." By the time he was made aware of the fact that he could have kept his Russian surname, he figured it would be too much of a headache to go back to it. I'm still trying to find sth with his original name on it (that would be relevant), but what I have of his papers is inadequate. So far.


Re: The child of a maid in Oberhausen #germany

Corinna Woehrl
 

Hello Frantisek,

if you knew, where Agata lived, you may find a hint for finding the ancestor 'involved'. Plus: young Jewish women usually would rather work in/for a Jewish and not for a Christian family. A maid normally lived with the family and she would have had to register when she moved to Oberhausen and took up work. Oberhausen has a city archive and they seem to have kept the population registers (Melderegister). But even if you find the family she worked for: the father of the child could bee a friend of the family, a neighbour, a co-worker...

Good luck for you further research! Regards from Germany

Corinna (Wöhrl) - Hamburg/Lübeck
-
Bgm./Stadt 1861 - 1933
(2.740 VE), Findbuch: mit den Provenienzsplittern Bgm. Dümpten 1876-1920 (9 VE) u. Bgm. Borbeck 1858-1910 (4 VE). - Protokolle ab 1862; Etats ab 1862; Zeitungs-berichte ab 1854, Verwaltungsberichte ab 1862; Meldekartei 1862-1891, Melderegister ab 1879. 3)
--

https://www.oberhausen.de/de/index/kultur-bildung/bildung/stadtarchiv.php
Stadtarchiv Oberhausen


E-Mail: stadtarchiv@...


Re: 1936 Hungary birth records #general #hungary

Judith Shamian
 

I went to hungary February 2020 to do research on my family side and hired Karesz Vandor +36305466950 info@... In three days we got more vital stat and other info then I could have find in months doing the "traditional" search.  I recommend him highly this is his field and its been great to work with him.  I am planing to go back to do some more research in some other communities and will use him again.  If you need more info you can email me at shamianjudith@...


Re: "adoption" to avoid the czar's army #general #lithuania

GEORGE MASON
 

In the classic 1918 work by Professor Simon Dubnow, "History of the Jews in Russia and Poland", he goes into detail about this subject in Volume 2, pages 18-19, 23-24, 29, and 146-149. The horrific Military Draft laws that were in effect from 1827 through 1852 allowed the Russian Empire to conscript any male children - ages 12 to 25 - from a Jewish family, except the eldest son, and keep them in the military for 25 to 31 years ! Every Jewish community had a yearly quota to make. If local community elders did not meet the quota, they could be seized, themselves. To avoid this, community elders frequently employed "hunters" whose job it was to capture boys attempting to flee and hide from the Draft. Kidnappings were common, as were midnight raids on households. Children as young as 8 would be caught and presented at the Recruiting Station as 12-year-olds. Once in the military, these boys would be deliberately shipped far away from their village or town; most never returned. Many were then forcefully converted to Christianity during the early years of their service. It was not uncommon for families to go into mourning when a son was conscripted into the Army. Young married men would frequently offer their wife a divorce, allowing them to remarry and thus be taken care of, rather than be abandoned. Name changing to be viewed as a Draft-exempt first-born son was a common and desperate attempt to avoid what was effectively a life sentence of service in the Russian Army.


Re: Viewmate Translation Request - Russian #translation

ryabinkym@...
 

VM 83143

In Russian:

 

576

Двойра Вейсблех.

Состоялось в городе Лублин 4-го (17-го) ноября 1906 года в 4 часа по полудни.  Явился еврей: Исер-Мендель Вайсблех, торговец, 46-и лет, житель города Люблина, вприсутствии свидетелей Мошка Фридмана, рабочего, 67-и лет и Шимона Менделя, домовладельца, 54-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам мертвую девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 638, 2-го (15-го cентября)  1902-го года в 8 часов утра от него и законной жены Ройзы-Малки, урожденной Шварц, 41-х лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Двойра.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 Исер-Мендель Вейсблех

Мошка Фридман  

Шимон Мендель

 

Translate into English:

 

576

 

Dvoira Weisblech.

 

Held in the city of Dublin on the 4th (17th) of November 1906 at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. A Jew came: Iser-Mendel Weissblech, a merchant, 46 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of witnesses Moshka Friedman, a worker, 67 years old and Shimon Mendel, a homeowner, 54 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a dead girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 638, on the 2nd (15th) of September 1902, at 8 o’clock in the morning from him and her legal wife Royza Malka, nee Schwartz, 41 years old. This girl is given the name Dvoira. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 Iser-Mendel Weisblech

 

Moshka Friedman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

 

VM 83144

In Russian:

 

575

Двойра Вейсблех.

Состоялось в городе Лублин 4-го (17-го) ноября 1906 года в 4 часа по полудни.  Явился еврей: Исер-Мендель Вайсблех, торговец, 46-и лет, житель города Люблина, вприсутствии свидетелей Мошка Фридмана, рабочего, 67-и лет и Шимона Менделя, домовладельца, 54-и лет, жителей города Люблина объявляя, что вчера, в городе Люблин, в 5 часов по полудни, в доме под номером 638, умерла Двойра Вейсблех, 4-х лет и двух месяцев от роду, dочери Исера-Менделя Вейсблеха и Ройзы-Малки, урожденной Шварц, жителей города Люблина. По настоящему удостоверяю о кончине Двойры Вейсблех.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 Исер-Мендель Вейсблех

Мошка Фридман  

Шимон Мендель

За Чиновника гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

575

Dvoira Weisblech.

Held in the city of Dublin on the 4th (17th) of November 1906 at 4 o'clock in the afternoon. A Jew appeared: Iser-Mendel Weissblech, a merchant, 46 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of witnesses Moshka Friedman, a worker, 67 years old and Shimon Mendel, a homeowner, 54 years old, residents of the city of Lublin announcing that yesterday, at the city of Lublin, at 5 o’clock in the afternoon, in the house at number 638, Dvora Weisblech, 4 years and two months old, the daughter of Iser-Mendel Weisblech and Royza-Malki, nee Schwarz, residents of the city of Lublin, died. I hereby certify the death of Dvoira Weisbleh. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 Iser-Mendel Weisblech

Moshka Friedman

Shimon Mendel

For Civil Officer Signature

VM 83145

In Russian:

 

297

Эстера Вейсблех.

Состоялось в городе Лублин 20-го июня (3-го июля) 1907 года в 10 часов утра.  Явился еврей: Исер-Мендель Вайсблех, торговец, 47-и лет, житель города Люблина, вприсутствии свидетелей Израиля Фраймана, поденщика, 59-и лет и Шимона Менделя, домовладельца, 55-и лет, жителей города Люблина и предъявили нам девочку, объявляя, что она родилась в городе Люблин, в доме под номером 637, 22-го мая (3-го июня)  1899-го года в 6 часов утра от него и законной жены Ройзы-Малки, урожденной Шварц, 42-х лет.  Девочке этой дано имя Эстера. Позднее заявление ничем не оправдано.  Акт сей присутствующим прочитан, ими и нами подписан.

 

Исер-Мендель Бачсблех

Израиль Фрайман  

Шимон Мендель

Чиновник гражданского состояния        Подпись

 

Translate into English:

 

297

 

Estera Weisblech.

 

Held in the city of Lublin on June 20 (July 3), 1907, at 10 a.m. A Jew appeared: Iser-Mendel Weissblech, a merchant, 47 years old, a resident of the city of Lublin, in the presence of Israeli witnesses Freiman, a day laborer, 59 years old and Shimon Mendel, a homeowner, 55 years old, residents of the city of Lublin and presented us with a girl, announcing that she was born in the city of Lublin, in the house at number 637, on May 22nd (June 3rd), 1899, at 6 o’clock in the morning from him and 42-year-old Royza-Malka's legal wife, nee Schwartz. This girl is given the name Esther. The later statement is unjustified. This act has been read to those present, they and we have signed.

 

 

 

Iser Mendel Bachsblech

 

Israel Freiman

 

Shimon Mendel

 

Civil Status Officer Signature


military notbook #bessarabia

Adrian Koifman
 

My grandfather Moshko  Koifman did military service in 1907 in Silintinsky's 41st       Infantry Military Regiment.  Supposedly   Khotin district.
How  can  I  find out about this topic?
I  have  the  military  notebook written in Russian.