Shalom J-Gs ,
I'm trying to learn more about the Schulder - Szilder family , the
origin of the surname and any
possible connections. I know that there are several Schulder families in
USA .
Some of them Jewish .
The name of my Grandfather was Moses-Maximilian Schulder (with u-umlaut)
.
He was born in Lezajsk , Poland , circa 1870 . He was married to Rozalia
Tellerman and
for several years was living in Wieliczka ,Poland , ( then Galicia ) He
served in the Austro-Hungarian Army in rank of corporal . Circa 1900 ,
he settled in Krakow , Poland (Galicia)
( Was murdered in 1942 (?) by the Nazis in Tarnow )
His brother or brothers , emigrated to the USA at the end of the last
century. >from Lezajsk (??)
I'll appreciate any information you'd be able to provide me .
Please answer privately.
Best Regards and Chag Purim Sameach .

Itzik Schulder
Kibbutz Ein-Dor , Israel

mail to : Itzik charlder@eindor.org.il

Searching : SCHULDER >from Lezajsk,Wieliczka,Krakow (Galicia) Poland .
SZILDER ,TELLERMAN , KONIGSBERG , PLUCZENIK , KORNGOLD >from Krakow
(Galicia) Poland . LANGFUS , KONIGSBERG >from Bedzin,Krakow (Galicia)
Poland .

Shalom J-Gs ,
I'm trying to learn more about the Schulder - Szilder family , the
origin of the surname and any
possible connections. I know that there are several Schulder families in
USA .
Some of them Jewish .
The name of my Grandfather was Moses-Maximilian Schulder (with u-umlaut)
.
He was born in Lezajsk , Poland , circa 1870 . He was married to Rozalia
Tellerman and
for several years was living in Wieliczka ,Poland , ( then Galicia ) He
served in the Austro-Hungarian Army in rank of corporal . Circa 1900 ,
he settled in Krakow , Poland (Galicia)
( Was murdered in 1942 (?) by the Nazis in Tarnow )
His brother or brothers , emigrated to the USA at the end of the last
century. >from Lezajsk (??)
I'll appreciate any information you'd be able to provide me .
Please answer privately.
Best Regards and Chag Purim Sameach .

Itzik Schulder
Kibbutz Ein-Dor , Israel

mail to : Itzik charlder@eindor.org.il

Searching : SCHULDER >from Lezajsk,Wieliczka,Krakow (Galicia) Poland .
SZILDER ,TELLERMAN , KONIGSBERG , PLUCZENIK , KORNGOLD >from Krakow
(Galicia) Poland . LANGFUS , KONIGSBERG >from Bedzin,Krakow (Galicia)
Poland .

My father lives now in Jerusalem, he was a prisoner of the Japanese at Los
Banos and Santa Thomas for a few years (civilian detainee, Polish citizen,
with USA visa to join his parents living there). Anyone on the list
related to other detainees/prisoners there?

Avi Rabinowitz

My father lives now in Jerusalem, he was a prisoner of the Japanese at Los
Banos and Santa Thomas for a few years (civilian detainee, Polish citizen,
with USA visa to join his parents living there). Anyone on the list
related to other detainees/prisoners there?

Avi Rabinowitz

Grf100@aol.com wrote:

My grandparents were born in Radgoscz and Biskupice, Poland. They later moved
to Tarnow, Poland. My assumption is that the two towns are close to each
other and close to Tarnow, Poland. I searched the Shtetlfinder, but maybe I'm
missing something. HAPPY PURIM

George Frankel, NYC

You are right.

Only Radgoszcz is correctly spell as Radogoszcz (missing 'o').
Radogoszcz is located 8 miles NEEast >from Da,browa Tarnowska. (Da,browa
Tarnowska is 10 miles N >from Tarnow, the famous Palace of Count
Lubomirskis is also there).

With Biskupice is a small question mark. There are three (3) Biskupice
in Tarnow region.
Biskupice # 1, tiny village are right where River Dunajec empties to the
River Wisla, 10 miles NW >from Da,browa Tarnowska.
Biskupice # 2 are known as Biskupice Radl/owskie, about same size as
Radogoszcz are adjacent to shtetl Zabno, 5 miles SW >from Da,browa
Tarnowska.
Biskupice #3 are known as Biskupice Melsztynskie, asmall vilage near
Zakliczyn near River Dunajec, 13 miles SW >from Tarnow.

Personally, I think that Biskupice #2 (Biskupice Radlowskie) is a shtetl
you are looking for. Reasons: closest to Radogoszcz, about the same size
township in camparison to the other Biskupice hamlets. Most important,
is that there was a proper road between the shtetls, having Dabrowa
Tarnowska in the middle, where you ancestors probably met in a market
days and got married. Otherwise, to reach other Biskupice, they would
have to shlep through the marshes and rivers.

Close proximity of the Lubomirskis Palace in Dabrowa indicates that your
ancestors were most probably suplying services to this powerfull
landowner. Lubomirskis were the most influential Polish noblemen in
Poland's history.

Hope this help.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

ps.

I've heard that Tarnow Regional Museum and the local Archives people are
extremly friendly and helpful menschen.
A real Galicyaner hospitality.

Grf100@aol.com wrote:

My grandparents were born in Radgoscz and Biskupice, Poland. They later moved
to Tarnow, Poland. My assumption is that the two towns are close to each
other and close to Tarnow, Poland. I searched the Shtetlfinder, but maybe I'm
missing something. HAPPY PURIM

George Frankel, NYC

You are right.

Only Radgoszcz is correctly spell as Radogoszcz (missing 'o').
Radogoszcz is located 8 miles NEEast >from Da,browa Tarnowska. (Da,browa
Tarnowska is 10 miles N >from Tarnow, the famous Palace of Count
Lubomirskis is also there).

With Biskupice is a small question mark. There are three (3) Biskupice
in Tarnow region.
Biskupice # 1, tiny village are right where River Dunajec empties to the
River Wisla, 10 miles NW >from Da,browa Tarnowska.
Biskupice # 2 are known as Biskupice Radl/owskie, about same size as
Radogoszcz are adjacent to shtetl Zabno, 5 miles SW >from Da,browa
Tarnowska.
Biskupice #3 are known as Biskupice Melsztynskie, asmall vilage near
Zakliczyn near River Dunajec, 13 miles SW >from Tarnow.

Personally, I think that Biskupice #2 (Biskupice Radlowskie) is a shtetl
you are looking for. Reasons: closest to Radogoszcz, about the same size
township in camparison to the other Biskupice hamlets. Most important,
is that there was a proper road between the shtetls, having Dabrowa
Tarnowska in the middle, where you ancestors probably met in a market
days and got married. Otherwise, to reach other Biskupice, they would
have to shlep through the marshes and rivers.

Close proximity of the Lubomirskis Palace in Dabrowa indicates that your
ancestors were most probably suplying services to this powerfull
landowner. Lubomirskis were the most influential Polish noblemen in
Poland's history.

Hope this help.

Alexander Sharon
Calgary, Alberta

ps.

I've heard that Tarnow Regional Museum and the local Archives people are
extremly friendly and helpful menschen.
A real Galicyaner hospitality.

Hi to all you who seek.I do not live in the USA and understand that
Weintraub is a common name there. In Canada there are 22 accross the
country ,in the UK there are 7 and it appears that Weintraub is not so
common out side of the USA.I have been trying to locate any Weintraub
that can go back in their families to conect with Weintraub of Lodz.I
have also not been able to find one 2nd. generation Weintraub anywere.

You help is appreciated.
Seymour Weintraub

Hi to all you who seek.I do not live in the USA and understand that
Weintraub is a common name there. In Canada there are 22 accross the
country ,in the UK there are 7 and it appears that Weintraub is not so
common out side of the USA.I have been trying to locate any Weintraub
that can go back in their families to conect with Weintraub of Lodz.I
have also not been able to find one 2nd. generation Weintraub anywere.

You help is appreciated.
Seymour Weintraub

I just received a document now being translated that is a letter >from my
ggf to the authorities asking for his veteran's rights. What a lovely thing
to see his name written in his hand in Hebrew.

Question:

The first child of my ggf was born in 1850.
My ggf was in the Russian army.
You served the Russian army 25 years.
They allowed Jews in the army >from 1827.
This means he would have gotten out in 1852 if he went in with the first
inductees.

Could he have gotten married while in the army? Were they allowed home
leave time?





Anita Citron
anitac1@erols.com
Flushing (NYC), New York
NADWORNY, SILVER (Odessa) MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)
FINGERHUT,TRACHTENBERG (Odessa?)

I just received a document now being translated that is a letter >from my
ggf to the authorities asking for his veteran's rights. What a lovely thing
to see his name written in his hand in Hebrew.

Question:

The first child of my ggf was born in 1850.
My ggf was in the Russian army.
You served the Russian army 25 years.
They allowed Jews in the army >from 1827.
This means he would have gotten out in 1852 if he went in with the first
inductees.

Could he have gotten married while in the army? Were they allowed home
leave time?





Anita Citron
anitac1@erols.com
Flushing (NYC), New York
NADWORNY, SILVER (Odessa) MEDNIK/WILDMAN (Berdichev)
FINGERHUT,TRACHTENBERG (Odessa?)

I am looking for anyone who might have a connection to Rose nee WEITZMAN
and Samuel FELDMAN. I don't believe Samuel ever got to America, but Rose
and 5 daughters lived in Jersey City, New Jersey. I believe they came from
Bessarabia and perhaps specifically, Odessa or the surrounding area.

Researching FELDMAN, WEITZMAN, BORR, BORUCH, FRANKEL, PRESSMAN,
RABINOWITZ, USLAN, SPROTZ, FRANK and variant spellings.

Diane Frankel
dlfrankel@mindspring.com

I am looking for anyone who might have a connection to Rose nee WEITZMAN
and Samuel FELDMAN. I don't believe Samuel ever got to America, but Rose
and 5 daughters lived in Jersey City, New Jersey. I believe they came from
Bessarabia and perhaps specifically, Odessa or the surrounding area.

Researching FELDMAN, WEITZMAN, BORR, BORUCH, FRANKEL, PRESSMAN,
RABINOWITZ, USLAN, SPROTZ, FRANK and variant spellings.

Diane Frankel
dlfrankel@mindspring.com

The National Center for Health Statistics provides online instructions on how
to obtain birth, marriage, death, and divorce certificates.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm

Hope this helps.
Jeaninne Krupp
Wheeling, Illinois

The National Center for Health Statistics provides online instructions on how
to obtain birth, marriage, death, and divorce certificates.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm

Hope this helps.
Jeaninne Krupp
Wheeling, Illinois

It occurred to me that it might be worth pooling the combined
knowledge of "newbies" and "oldbies" to see
if the following practise was common enough to add it to the general
"tool kit". In my family research there are many examples, in addition
to the one I cited yesterday, where personal names were selected for
(usually middle- and later-born) children in big families based on Jewish
holidays and the calendar. If the practise was widespread, it will not
get anyone back another generation or more (the way both Ash.
memorializing the dead and Seph. honoring the living do) but it might, on
occasion, help narrow the search for the time of year of a birth record.
So is anyone else is interested and willing to do a bit of investigating
please read on.
I have come across personal names being selected both because of a
holiday and because of the parsha (Torah portion of the week). The birth
wasn't on the Shabbos itself, it was just within the week that portion
was read. It also seems possible in theory that names might have been
selected because of a Haftorah (rest of Bible readings done after the
Torah portion of the week).. Maybe for Chassidic families, names could
have been selected based on the birth or yahrzeit of the founding rebbe
or rebbe's family. Sorry that I don't know enough to do dates for the
various Chassidic dynasties. So, enough explanation, here is the
proposal. If people already know that personal names were on occasion
selected based on the calendar, please post examples. If people have
found personal names >from the following list or similar that seem to
appear >from nowhere, or have no other explanation >from the usual set of
explanations, please check the secular date with the Hebrew and see if
there are matches. (I am not on the web but know there is a JewishGen
calendar function ... for those who don't have easy access I will provide
Hebrew dates to use -- unless the moderator deletes them.)
Note that I may not get the possible names quite right but that doesn't
mean the methodology is flawed. Anyone who has better suggestions for
the names for the holidays or other events in the calendar that might
influence selection of names for an observant family please post.
Holidays: Rosh Hashonah is 1 (and sometimes 2 Tishri), names might be
Isaac, Hannah, maybe even Adam or Eve?; 3 Tishri, Gedaliah; Yom Kippur
is 10 Tishri, Jonah; Succos 15-21 Tishri, the names might be the
historical figures invited for ushpizin (think this depends on one's
background just who gets invited); Simchas Torah 23 Tishri, Simcha; the
Shabbos in Cheshvan for parsha Noah, Noah if Noah was used in the
family's tradition; the Shabbos in Cheshvan for parsha Chayei Sarah,
Sarah; Chanukah is 25 Kislev to 2 Tevet, Mattiyahu; Tu B'Shevat is 15
Shevat, any names connected with trees; the Shabbos for Shabbos Shira,
Shira; the Shabbos in Shevat for parsha Yitro, Zipporah, Gershom,
Eliezer; 7 Adar, Moshe (by tradition both birth and death); Purim plus is
13-15 Adar, Esther, Hadassah, Mordechai; Pesach is 15-22 Nissan, Miriam,
Moshe, Aaron, Yocheved, etc.; counting of the Omer through 5 Sivan,
Sephardic name Omero (do know someone with this example); Lag B'Omer is
18 Iyar, Akiva or Shimon; Shavuos is 6 Sivan, Ruth, Naomi, David; Tisha
B'Av is 9 AV but naming a child probably not appropriate for this date.
Several portions mention Joshua, they are read in the summer. If anyone
has names >from either prophets or writings they're trying to figure out
why the family used the name, and don't have when the haftorah portions
are read, please write to me privately and I'll supply that.
For names >from the Pentateuch check which portions they appear in and the
dates and see if that explains the name selection.

Jonina Duker is searching: BEIDICK (near Minsk), DUKER (near Minsk),
maybe GOLDBERG, GORODINSKY (Minsk), KATZ (probably Latvia), LEVINE
(probably near Minsk), RACHMAN (Salakas, Simferopol), SCHMUELIWITZ
(probably near Minsk), SIEGEL (near Vilna), STRAUSS and lots more to
come ...

It occurred to me that it might be worth pooling the combined
knowledge of "newbies" and "oldbies" to see
if the following practise was common enough to add it to the general
"tool kit". In my family research there are many examples, in addition
to the one I cited yesterday, where personal names were selected for
(usually middle- and later-born) children in big families based on Jewish
holidays and the calendar. If the practise was widespread, it will not
get anyone back another generation or more (the way both Ash.
memorializing the dead and Seph. honoring the living do) but it might, on
occasion, help narrow the search for the time of year of a birth record.
So is anyone else is interested and willing to do a bit of investigating
please read on.
I have come across personal names being selected both because of a
holiday and because of the parsha (Torah portion of the week). The birth
wasn't on the Shabbos itself, it was just within the week that portion
was read. It also seems possible in theory that names might have been
selected because of a Haftorah (rest of Bible readings done after the
Torah portion of the week).. Maybe for Chassidic families, names could
have been selected based on the birth or yahrzeit of the founding rebbe
or rebbe's family. Sorry that I don't know enough to do dates for the
various Chassidic dynasties. So, enough explanation, here is the
proposal. If people already know that personal names were on occasion
selected based on the calendar, please post examples. If people have
found personal names >from the following list or similar that seem to
appear >from nowhere, or have no other explanation >from the usual set of
explanations, please check the secular date with the Hebrew and see if
there are matches. (I am not on the web but know there is a JewishGen
calendar function ... for those who don't have easy access I will provide
Hebrew dates to use -- unless the moderator deletes them.)
Note that I may not get the possible names quite right but that doesn't
mean the methodology is flawed. Anyone who has better suggestions for
the names for the holidays or other events in the calendar that might
influence selection of names for an observant family please post.
Holidays: Rosh Hashonah is 1 (and sometimes 2 Tishri), names might be
Isaac, Hannah, maybe even Adam or Eve?; 3 Tishri, Gedaliah; Yom Kippur
is 10 Tishri, Jonah; Succos 15-21 Tishri, the names might be the
historical figures invited for ushpizin (think this depends on one's
background just who gets invited); Simchas Torah 23 Tishri, Simcha; the
Shabbos in Cheshvan for parsha Noah, Noah if Noah was used in the
family's tradition; the Shabbos in Cheshvan for parsha Chayei Sarah,
Sarah; Chanukah is 25 Kislev to 2 Tevet, Mattiyahu; Tu B'Shevat is 15
Shevat, any names connected with trees; the Shabbos for Shabbos Shira,
Shira; the Shabbos in Shevat for parsha Yitro, Zipporah, Gershom,
Eliezer; 7 Adar, Moshe (by tradition both birth and death); Purim plus is
13-15 Adar, Esther, Hadassah, Mordechai; Pesach is 15-22 Nissan, Miriam,
Moshe, Aaron, Yocheved, etc.; counting of the Omer through 5 Sivan,
Sephardic name Omero (do know someone with this example); Lag B'Omer is
18 Iyar, Akiva or Shimon; Shavuos is 6 Sivan, Ruth, Naomi, David; Tisha
B'Av is 9 AV but naming a child probably not appropriate for this date.
Several portions mention Joshua, they are read in the summer. If anyone
has names >from either prophets or writings they're trying to figure out
why the family used the name, and don't have when the haftorah portions
are read, please write to me privately and I'll supply that.
For names >from the Pentateuch check which portions they appear in and the
dates and see if that explains the name selection.

Jonina Duker is searching: BEIDICK (near Minsk), DUKER (near Minsk),
maybe GOLDBERG, GORODINSKY (Minsk), KATZ (probably Latvia), LEVINE
(probably near Minsk), RACHMAN (Salakas, Simferopol), SCHMUELIWITZ
(probably near Minsk), SIEGEL (near Vilna), STRAUSS and lots more to
come ...

In response to Stewart Levy's question about the "Pale of Settlement" it
is fairly easy to find a definition that the "Pale" was an area of about
386,000 square miles to which most of Russia's Jews were confined in
Polish Territories annexed by Russia during the various partitions of
Poland.

The hard to find derivation of the word "Pale" is in a book by Joan
Comay, "The Diaspora Story" and is as follows: "Pale" is the accepted
English equivalent for the Russian term "Cheta." It is an old English
word for an enclosed area...

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey
jives@cris.com

Searching: ZANKEL, ABOWITZ, JANCU

MODERATER NOTE: This thread is now closed.

In response to Stewart Levy's question about the "Pale of Settlement" it
is fairly easy to find a definition that the "Pale" was an area of about
386,000 square miles to which most of Russia's Jews were confined in
Polish Territories annexed by Russia during the various partitions of
Poland.

The hard to find derivation of the word "Pale" is in a book by Joan
Comay, "The Diaspora Story" and is as follows: "Pale" is the accepted
English equivalent for the Russian term "Cheta." It is an old English
word for an enclosed area...

Joel Ives
Fair Lawn, New Jersey
jives@cris.com

Searching: ZANKEL, ABOWITZ, JANCU

MODERATER NOTE: This thread is now closed.

Is there anyone who can look up to see if a marriage occurred in
CT in the 1950's? I will be glad to exchange this for research
in CA.

George Fogelson
Redondo Beach
fogelson@cwix.com

I don't own the book (yet) so can't check for you if there's more
information about her father but the wonderful recent book "Lost Love" ...
(sorry full title and author escape me) is worth consulting if you
haven't already. As a testament to human resilience and for fascinating
information about Louis Ginzberg's Legend of the Jews and Henrietta
Szold's massive contribution to it the book is also worth reading.

Jonina Duker is searching: BEIDICK (near Minsk), DUKER (near Minsk),
maybe GOLDBERG, GORODINSKY (Minsk), KATZ (probably Latvia), LEVINE
(probably near Minsk), RACHMAN (Salakas, Simferopol), SCHMUELIWITZ
(probably near Minsk), SIEGEL (near Vilna), STRAUSS