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videos of Lithuania #lithuania

ESalen294@...
 

Hello all.

This week's issue of The Jewish Week (a New York City newspaper) contains a
small advertisement that reads:

Video of the town of your ancestors
any locality
in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia
aleksgen@...

I post it here in case any of you are interested in it but also to ask if
anyone here has obtained such a video of Keidan.

Liz Salen


Keidan Jews #Keidan #Lithuania videos of Lithuania #lithuania

ESalen294@...
 

Hello all.

This week's issue of The Jewish Week (a New York City newspaper) contains a
small advertisement that reads:

Video of the town of your ancestors
any locality
in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia
aleksgen@...

I post it here in case any of you are interested in it but also to ask if
anyone here has obtained such a video of Keidan.

Liz Salen


Re: Searching: Polina GINZBURG (TUNKEL) #belarus

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

where did you hear that a death certificate cost $7.? I paid $15 of rthe
few I sent for. I would like to get more but as you say it is too
expensive for each one. But $7 is better than $15.

Myra Davis
myrabokpg@juno,com


Roman Tunkel writes:
Pauline Ginsburg (Tunkel) was born 10 July 1908, d. 9 Sept 1SSN 330-22-
3443Is any way to get information about her for free? I am looking for
many people (currently about 50) and it is difficult to pay 7 dollars for
each request.
MODERATOR NOTE: I think that Roman was referring to the $7 fee the Social
Security Administration charges for a copy of the application for a SS
card. The cost of birth certificates varies >from jurisdiction to
jurisdiction. The discussion of US birth certificates is appropriate for
the JewishGen Discussion group and not this DG. Please use private e-mail
to respond to Myra.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Searching: Polina GINZBURG (TUNKEL) #belarus

Myra S. Davis <myrabokpg@...>
 

where did you hear that a death certificate cost $7.? I paid $15 of rthe
few I sent for. I would like to get more but as you say it is too
expensive for each one. But $7 is better than $15.

Myra Davis
myrabokpg@juno,com


Roman Tunkel writes:
Pauline Ginsburg (Tunkel) was born 10 July 1908, d. 9 Sept 1SSN 330-22-
3443Is any way to get information about her for free? I am looking for
many people (currently about 50) and it is difficult to pay 7 dollars for
each request.
MODERATOR NOTE: I think that Roman was referring to the $7 fee the Social
Security Administration charges for a copy of the application for a SS
card. The cost of birth certificates varies >from jurisdiction to
jurisdiction. The discussion of US birth certificates is appropriate for
the JewishGen Discussion group and not this DG. Please use private e-mail
to respond to Myra.


Re: Second marriage with the sister of the deceased wife #general

Richard.Sapon-White@...
 

To add my own two cents to this discussion: My grandfather was married
twice. His first wife died in childbirth with their first child. At the
time, my grandfather was serving in the Russian army. When he returned
from service several years later, he found his sister-in-law caring for his
son. The family story is that she was so attached to the child that she
insisted that he marry her - and he did. My uncle (really half-uncle - or
is it really 3/4 uncle?) always referred to his aunt as his mother.

The above is not the explanation I initially heard. My mother's
explanation of my grandfather's marriages brought in her understanding of
Jewish law - a man needing to marry his deceased wife's sister. No such
law exists. This is a warning to be wary of Jewish law explanations for
people's actions when the source of the legal explanation is someone with
little background in such matters. Jewish law does explain an unmarried
brother marrying his deceased brother's widow _if_ the deceased brother
died without issue. Even under these circumstances a ritual existed
(exists) to allow such obligated parties to avoid marriage. This is as
much as ought to be explained on this discussion list; I mention it only
because I had been led astray somewhat in my own genealogical research by
an inaccurate explanation.


Richard Sapon-White
Richard.Sapon-White@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Second marriage with the sister of the deceased wife #general

Richard.Sapon-White@...
 

To add my own two cents to this discussion: My grandfather was married
twice. His first wife died in childbirth with their first child. At the
time, my grandfather was serving in the Russian army. When he returned
from service several years later, he found his sister-in-law caring for his
son. The family story is that she was so attached to the child that she
insisted that he marry her - and he did. My uncle (really half-uncle - or
is it really 3/4 uncle?) always referred to his aunt as his mother.

The above is not the explanation I initially heard. My mother's
explanation of my grandfather's marriages brought in her understanding of
Jewish law - a man needing to marry his deceased wife's sister. No such
law exists. This is a warning to be wary of Jewish law explanations for
people's actions when the source of the legal explanation is someone with
little background in such matters. Jewish law does explain an unmarried
brother marrying his deceased brother's widow _if_ the deceased brother
died without issue. Even under these circumstances a ritual existed
(exists) to allow such obligated parties to avoid marriage. This is as
much as ought to be explained on this discussion list; I mention it only
because I had been led astray somewhat in my own genealogical research by
an inaccurate explanation.


Richard Sapon-White
Richard.Sapon-White@...


Re: Second marriage with the sister of the deceased wife #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners

Phil Silverman wrote

"My grandfather had a half-sister 18 yrs. his junior. They had the same
mother but different fathers. What is interesting is that the fathers had
the same last name"


Dear Phil

It is considerably more than a custom. It is Jewish Law. If a man's brother
dies without children, the man is obliged to marry the widow so the seed of
his brother will be maintained. Anyone else wishing to marry the widow must
first see to the brother's refusal.

See the story of Ruth & Boaz in Genesis


With best regards

Dr. David L. Frey (PhD.)
Victoria
Australia

Please reply to: dfrey@...
researching -
FREY, FREI,GILDENSOHN, PITKIN, BESHINCOVICHI, STEINHAUS and
WALSH (yes, I know!)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Second marriage with the sister of the deceased wife #general

David Frey <dfrey@...>
 

Dear Jewish Genners

Phil Silverman wrote

"My grandfather had a half-sister 18 yrs. his junior. They had the same
mother but different fathers. What is interesting is that the fathers had
the same last name"


Dear Phil

It is considerably more than a custom. It is Jewish Law. If a man's brother
dies without children, the man is obliged to marry the widow so the seed of
his brother will be maintained. Anyone else wishing to marry the widow must
first see to the brother's refusal.

See the story of Ruth & Boaz in Genesis


With best regards

Dr. David L. Frey (PhD.)
Victoria
Australia

Please reply to: dfrey@...
researching -
FREY, FREI,GILDENSOHN, PITKIN, BESHINCOVICHI, STEINHAUS and
WALSH (yes, I know!)


Re: Obtaining Records From Archives #belarus

Stephen H. Aidlin <saidlin@...>
 

I would appreciate your sharing any info you receive.

My family names:
Paternel: Aidlin (Eidlin, Edlin)
Hurewitz (Hurwitz, Gurevich, and similar spellings)

Have you been in touch with Logan Lockeby? He's also searching Vitebsk.
By coincidence, my second cousin (61 yrs) moved >from Vitebsk>Leningrad
(WW2) and then 4 houses down the street >from me without knowing of my
existence. His mother still lives and might be able to provi9de
information you'll want.

Steve Aidlin
<saidlin@...>

Winnie71@... wrote:

I am trying to obtain the following records: the 1897 census of Vitebsk as
well as its Revision Lists. I was told that I could obtain these >from the
Belarus Historical Archives in Minsk. Does anyone know if this is true and if
MODERATOR NOTE: When posting to this discussion group, please sign you
messages with your full name, city and state or country, and your return
e-mail address.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Obtaining Records From Archives #belarus

Stephen H. Aidlin <saidlin@...>
 

I would appreciate your sharing any info you receive.

My family names:
Paternel: Aidlin (Eidlin, Edlin)
Hurewitz (Hurwitz, Gurevich, and similar spellings)

Have you been in touch with Logan Lockeby? He's also searching Vitebsk.
By coincidence, my second cousin (61 yrs) moved >from Vitebsk>Leningrad
(WW2) and then 4 houses down the street >from me without knowing of my
existence. His mother still lives and might be able to provi9de
information you'll want.

Steve Aidlin
<saidlin@...>

Winnie71@... wrote:

I am trying to obtain the following records: the 1897 census of Vitebsk as
well as its Revision Lists. I was told that I could obtain these >from the
Belarus Historical Archives in Minsk. Does anyone know if this is true and if
MODERATOR NOTE: When posting to this discussion group, please sign you
messages with your full name, city and state or country, and your return
e-mail address.


Re: Deportation to Minsk #belarus

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Dear Charlotte,

Thanks you for posting these details. As you know I have over the past
year or two posted this same query on H-Holocaust and this is the first
time anyone has come up with some type of references. It is amazing to
see how poorly documented this area is in terms of Holocaust studies (at
least in the West). Maly Trostinets was probably the 5th or 6th largest
extermination area.

Dr Saul Issroff
<saul@...>

CHARLOTTEO <charlotteo@...> wrote:

I saw one such marker with my own eyes, giving the 800,000 victim
number--others with lower numbers. Some 'only' a few hundred.
My non-Jewish co-author/friend here in the US argued with me about these
numbers (also?) stating 'there were no such large numbers killed, or it would
be in the history books'.
Well, I won't "back down", pls don't misunderstand me: I don't think you doubt
my word. I SAW this number and others (in arabic nbrs) engraved on various
memorial monuments and was -for the same reason- totally blown away by it.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Deportation to Minsk #belarus

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Dear Charlotte,

Thanks you for posting these details. As you know I have over the past
year or two posted this same query on H-Holocaust and this is the first
time anyone has come up with some type of references. It is amazing to
see how poorly documented this area is in terms of Holocaust studies (at
least in the West). Maly Trostinets was probably the 5th or 6th largest
extermination area.

Dr Saul Issroff
<saul@...>

CHARLOTTEO <charlotteo@...> wrote:

I saw one such marker with my own eyes, giving the 800,000 victim
number--others with lower numbers. Some 'only' a few hundred.
My non-Jewish co-author/friend here in the US argued with me about these
numbers (also?) stating 'there were no such large numbers killed, or it would
be in the history books'.
Well, I won't "back down", pls don't misunderstand me: I don't think you doubt
my word. I SAW this number and others (in arabic nbrs) engraved on various
memorial monuments and was -for the same reason- totally blown away by it.


JewishGen needs your help #poland

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Dear JRI-PL readers,
With the tremendous expansion of JewishGen in these past few months, our
volunteers are terribly overloaded, and more importantly are not all that
familiar with specific projects.
We would like to initiate a help desk for people who are writing in asking
for help in using the JRI-PL database. You are the folks who know this
program best, having worked to make it as great as it is.
Is there anyone out there who would like to volunteer for a JRI-PL help
desk role?
Please get back to me.
Thanks
Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations


JRI Poland #Poland JewishGen needs your help #poland

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Dear JRI-PL readers,
With the tremendous expansion of JewishGen in these past few months, our
volunteers are terribly overloaded, and more importantly are not all that
familiar with specific projects.
We would like to initiate a help desk for people who are writing in asking
for help in using the JRI-PL database. You are the folks who know this
program best, having worked to make it as great as it is.
Is there anyone out there who would like to volunteer for a JRI-PL help
desk role?
Please get back to me.
Thanks
Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations


Interested in Narovlya #belarus

Thea Hodge <tdhodge@...>
 

Subject: Interested in NAROVLYA

I am a new member of the Belarus SIG. I am researching the town of
NAROVLYA, 165.9 miles SSE of Minsk. My mother's forebears were KAPLAN
and SHUSTERMAN. I would very much like to talk to anyone else
interested in that town and in those names, there or in close
neighboring towns.

Thea Drell Hodge
Palo Alto, CA
reply to: TDHODGE@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Interested in Narovlya #belarus

Thea Hodge <tdhodge@...>
 

Subject: Interested in NAROVLYA

I am a new member of the Belarus SIG. I am researching the town of
NAROVLYA, 165.9 miles SSE of Minsk. My mother's forebears were KAPLAN
and SHUSTERMAN. I would very much like to talk to anyone else
interested in that town and in those names, there or in close
neighboring towns.

Thea Drell Hodge
Palo Alto, CA
reply to: TDHODGE@...


Re: FOIA response to SS5 query #general

Greenman50@...
 

P.S. Sorry for an important omission. For those who have not yet received
any of their requested SS5's, Darrell Blevins is the FOIA signature on the
letter sent >from the Social Security Administration when they send you your
copies.

Linda Greenman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: FOIA response to SS5 query #general

Greenman50@...
 

P.S. Sorry for an important omission. For those who have not yet received
any of their requested SS5's, Darrell Blevins is the FOIA signature on the
letter sent >from the Social Security Administration when they send you your
copies.

Linda Greenman


FOIA response to SS5 query #general

Greenman50@...
 

Having earlier written an e-mail to Darrell Blevins earlier this month
concerning a five month wait for several SS5's, when I finally received
them I wrote to let him know. I received the following in reply.
I asked his permission to send to the discussion group and his response
to my request is also included.
Linda Greenman

02/04/99

Dear Linda,

I am glad you did finally get the documents you requested. I know it can
be frustrating having to wait so long for things like this. Being an
amateur genealogist myself, I understand what it means to wait for the
record that confirms a relationship or date or maybe breaks through one
of our brick walls.

I have seen a number of posts on rootsweb mail lists that specifically
mention me and the slow service people are encountering in obtaining these
SS-5s. On a number of occasions, I have been tempted to reply to these and
try to explain some of the circumstances behind this slow service. I havn't
done that yet, but when I received you e-mail I thought I would take this
opportunity to make an explanation. And basically it is this: The Social
Security Administration (SSA) is fundamentally different >from most of the
organizations genealogists depend on to furnish documents.

The mission of SSA is to determine a persons eligibility to a benefit and
to pay that benefit. When an individual dies, leaving a dependent spouse
and young children, we want to pay that spouse a survivor's benefit as soon
as possible. Likewise for disabled people and retirees. We accumulate
records to allow us to carry out this mission. It just happens that some
of these records are valuable for genealogical purposes and that puts us in
a sometimes difficult situation. We must carry out our obligations under
the federal freedom of information act to make these records available, but
our first priority will always be to accomplish the primary goal of the
agency and that is where the agency concentrates its resources.

Contrast this with the situation of the National Archives and state vital
records agencies and their primary missions which relate more directly to
providing records to the public. Also, consider that SSA, like most
federal agencies, has undergone significant staff reductions over the past
decade and these genealogy based requests are growing each year (about
20,000 last year).

It bothers me that we are unable to provide the kind of service that,
ideally, we would like to provide to people like yourself. I am trying
to do some things here that will help improve service, but it is unlikely
results will be noticeable for at least another year. Hopefully, this
won't seem like a lot of excuses to you. I meant it as an honest
explanation.

Hope the SS-5s were helpful.

Darrell Blevins

02/18/99

Linda, that would be fine; posting to the listserv.

Darrell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen FOIA response to SS5 query #general

Greenman50@...
 

Having earlier written an e-mail to Darrell Blevins earlier this month
concerning a five month wait for several SS5's, when I finally received
them I wrote to let him know. I received the following in reply.
I asked his permission to send to the discussion group and his response
to my request is also included.
Linda Greenman

02/04/99

Dear Linda,

I am glad you did finally get the documents you requested. I know it can
be frustrating having to wait so long for things like this. Being an
amateur genealogist myself, I understand what it means to wait for the
record that confirms a relationship or date or maybe breaks through one
of our brick walls.

I have seen a number of posts on rootsweb mail lists that specifically
mention me and the slow service people are encountering in obtaining these
SS-5s. On a number of occasions, I have been tempted to reply to these and
try to explain some of the circumstances behind this slow service. I havn't
done that yet, but when I received you e-mail I thought I would take this
opportunity to make an explanation. And basically it is this: The Social
Security Administration (SSA) is fundamentally different >from most of the
organizations genealogists depend on to furnish documents.

The mission of SSA is to determine a persons eligibility to a benefit and
to pay that benefit. When an individual dies, leaving a dependent spouse
and young children, we want to pay that spouse a survivor's benefit as soon
as possible. Likewise for disabled people and retirees. We accumulate
records to allow us to carry out this mission. It just happens that some
of these records are valuable for genealogical purposes and that puts us in
a sometimes difficult situation. We must carry out our obligations under
the federal freedom of information act to make these records available, but
our first priority will always be to accomplish the primary goal of the
agency and that is where the agency concentrates its resources.

Contrast this with the situation of the National Archives and state vital
records agencies and their primary missions which relate more directly to
providing records to the public. Also, consider that SSA, like most
federal agencies, has undergone significant staff reductions over the past
decade and these genealogy based requests are growing each year (about
20,000 last year).

It bothers me that we are unable to provide the kind of service that,
ideally, we would like to provide to people like yourself. I am trying
to do some things here that will help improve service, but it is unlikely
results will be noticeable for at least another year. Hopefully, this
won't seem like a lot of excuses to you. I meant it as an honest
explanation.

Hope the SS-5s were helpful.

Darrell Blevins

02/18/99

Linda, that would be fine; posting to the listserv.

Darrell