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* re: Pernumeranten 1825 #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I am sending some possible names for some of those towns Gyorgy wasn't able
to identify. Nice work Gyorgy and Mazel Tov to Louis
Tom

| Subject: Pernumeranten 1825 (fwd)
>| From: Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
>|
>| 3 Kisdorf (Katan Dorf) <--- maybe Kisfalud, Duna'ntul
>| 9 Vacs <--- maybe Va'cz
>| Sereda <--- maybe Sered (Szered), Slovakia
>| 11 Komren <--- maybe Koma'rom
>| 5 Gedung ?
>| 1 Randik ?
>| 4 Weisbrun <--- maybe Fehe'rva'rcsurgo', Hungary
>| 4 Plota ?
>| 4 Rachendorf <--- translated to Hungarian: Torokfalu ???
>| 2 Nasmal-Neszmely ?
>| 3 Oberham ?
>| 2 Pestechoy <--- could be Pestihely???
>| 2 Czeche Cece or Csadca? <--- Csecse (I have a relative born there)
>| 6 Santif ?
>| 3 Hodyos ?
>| Yanuk ?


Hungary SIG #Hungary * re: Pernumeranten 1825 #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

I am sending some possible names for some of those towns Gyorgy wasn't able
to identify. Nice work Gyorgy and Mazel Tov to Louis
Tom

| Subject: Pernumeranten 1825 (fwd)
>| From: Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
>|
>| 3 Kisdorf (Katan Dorf) <--- maybe Kisfalud, Duna'ntul
>| 9 Vacs <--- maybe Va'cz
>| Sereda <--- maybe Sered (Szered), Slovakia
>| 11 Komren <--- maybe Koma'rom
>| 5 Gedung ?
>| 1 Randik ?
>| 4 Weisbrun <--- maybe Fehe'rva'rcsurgo', Hungary
>| 4 Plota ?
>| 4 Rachendorf <--- translated to Hungarian: Torokfalu ???
>| 2 Nasmal-Neszmely ?
>| 3 Oberham ?
>| 2 Pestechoy <--- could be Pestihely???
>| 2 Czeche Cece or Csadca? <--- Csecse (I have a relative born there)
>| 6 Santif ?
>| 3 Hodyos ?
>| Yanuk ?


ROCKENSTEIN from Ujvidek, 1908 #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

Dear H-SIGers!

Today I bought an invitation to a ball by Prince Carneval (Karneval foherceg),
held in the home of the Rockenstein family in Ujvidek (now Novi-Sad,
Voivodina, Greater Serbia or Lesser Yugoslavia) on February, 1908.
The invitation is written as a verse and is very funny. Don't expect me to
translate it into Hungarian. ;-)

If you are related to the Rockenstein family in Ujvidek, I can send you a xerox!

--
Gyorgy Ujlaki, Budapest, Hungary

ujlaki.gyorgy@..., ujlaki_gyorgy@...

Researching: WURM, HOLLANDER, KONIGSTEIN, FEIN, POLLAK, REICH,
BARANY, CUCAK, DRACH, PURJESZ, PORGES/Z, PORJES/Z, BISCHITZ,
GOLDSCHMIED, IRITZ, SOMMER

PS: It was printed by the Berkovits printing house, Kula.


Hungary SIG #Hungary ROCKENSTEIN from Ujvidek, 1908 #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

Dear H-SIGers!

Today I bought an invitation to a ball by Prince Carneval (Karneval foherceg),
held in the home of the Rockenstein family in Ujvidek (now Novi-Sad,
Voivodina, Greater Serbia or Lesser Yugoslavia) on February, 1908.
The invitation is written as a verse and is very funny. Don't expect me to
translate it into Hungarian. ;-)

If you are related to the Rockenstein family in Ujvidek, I can send you a xerox!

--
Gyorgy Ujlaki, Budapest, Hungary

ujlaki.gyorgy@..., ujlaki_gyorgy@...

Researching: WURM, HOLLANDER, KONIGSTEIN, FEIN, POLLAK, REICH,
BARANY, CUCAK, DRACH, PURJESZ, PORGES/Z, PORJES/Z, BISCHITZ,
GOLDSCHMIED, IRITZ, SOMMER

PS: It was printed by the Berkovits printing house, Kula.


Re: Military Base Marriages #general

Charles F. Printz <cfphrai@...>
 

(6 Feb 99), Daniel Kazez wrote:

I am trying to get information on a marriage at a military
base (Biloxi, Mississippi, 1932). The base, city, and state
have no information. Is there a U.S. federal office that
would have records?
Military base ceremonies are usually recorded in at least two (2)
places, the soldier's military jacket (record) and the base commanders
daily log (Base activity report). Of course, the base activity report
may have been called something different in 1932.

In the case of a soldier's record, you should try the National Personnel
Record Center in St Louis Missouri, but only if you have sufficient
identifying data to help locate the records. You will need to file this
request on Standard Form 180 (SF 180). NPRC is an arm of the National
Archives and Records Administration (NARA).

The other issue you will have is getting around the Privacy Act
restrictions on release of information. You should explain and document
your "blood" or "legal" relationship to the soldier, and include a death
certificate if applicable. If the person is still living, the Record
Center will need a signed release >from the soldier in question. The NPRC
address with Information line phones (forms requests only) for each
Branch of Service is:

National Personnel Record Center,
Military Personnel Records
9700 Page Avenue
St. Louis, MO 63132-5100
Air Force: (314) 538-4243
Army: (314) 538-4261
Navy/ Marine Corps/ Coast Guard: (314) 538-4141

National Personnel Records Center (Military Personnel Records) web site
may be accessed for guidance and the downloading of the SF 180 form at
http://clio.nara.gov/regional/mpr.html

One cautionary note: On July 12, 1973, a fire on the 6th floor at 9700
Page Ave destroyed nearly all records pertaining to persons discharged
from the Army before 1960 and about two-thirds of the records pertaining
to persons discharged >from the Air Force before 1964. Alternate sources
are used to resolve reference problems caused by the fire, but this
cited incident may cause problems in the researching of records that
lack specific date and unit data.

Regarding the base records, given the time period, you will need to
write documenting your request to the Archivist for the Branch of
Service involved. Usually via the respective Service Secretary (i.e.
Secretary of the Army, etc) at the US Department of Defense, Pentagon
Bldg in Washington, DC. Another route, will be the Chaplian's Office of
the Service involved with a request that they direct your request
accordingly.

You may also be provided with leads on the Base Reports via a request to
the NPRC staff at the above cited NPRC address.

I hope this affords you some basic direction. I'm sure that other
avenues exist, but my memory fails me at current for added resources.

Kind regards,
Charles F. Printz,
Elizabeth, NJ/USA


Purchase of Microfilms - Worth it? #latvia

Joel Jakobson <j.j@...>
 

Sorry for coming in late in the "film discussion", but I have been
travelling out of e-mail reach in USA for the last three weeks, including a
stop in Salt Lake City for research at the Family History Library of the
Mormons. There I devoted part of my time glanzing trough some of these
documents filmed by the Mormons at the Herder-Institut in Marburg, Germany.
I went by the list published in Avotaynu last spring and summer issues.

Totally I managed to scan trough (in a fairly high tempo, meaning I could
have missed some info) about a dozen of microfilm rolls, mainly concerning
Mitau (Jelgava). Of these rolls only one contained a high concentration of
Jewish names, and two contained a few names.

Result (film no - outcome):

1 344 281 - no Jewish names
1 344 283 - "
1 344 288 - mainly (maybe all) Jewish names!!
1 344 291 - no Jewish names
1 344 305 - "
1 344 331 - "
1 344 332 - some Jewish names, one was KAHN
1 344 333 - no Jewish names
1 344 334 - "
1 344 335 - "
1 344 336 - "
1 344 337 - some Jewish names, e.g. GOLDBLATT, ASSER, ELOETT, HEYMANN

Also, my father recently examined the three listed films for Dunaburg
(Daugavpils) - 1344255, 1344258, 1344259 - without finding any Jewish names
there either.

Nota bene: My time allowed only a quick scan of these films, so I could have
missed something. But with a 30+ years past in journalism I think I have
some experience to get the main facts even under time pressure.

Conclusion: Buying the whole package of films - with maybe, if my small
sampling is right, a VERY low percentage of Jewish "hits" , would be a waste
of our time, our energy and our money.

Suggestion: Let's not hurry. (Yes, I know how eager we all are to get
"rolling"...) Let's first organize (by some maybe 30-40 members who can
access a FHC) a thorough check of the films, decide what is of value to our
SIG members and then either try to purchase them or to somehow copy them
from the FHC-reels. (I can't beleive they wouldn't be for sale if we wait a
little ;-)

Once again, sorry for my late jump into the discussion.

Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@...

P.s. If we do find out that we can get valuable info >from the films I'll
definetly
contribute with money and reasonable time for inputting/editing etc.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Military Base Marriages #general

Charles F. Printz <cfphrai@...>
 

(6 Feb 99), Daniel Kazez wrote:

I am trying to get information on a marriage at a military
base (Biloxi, Mississippi, 1932). The base, city, and state
have no information. Is there a U.S. federal office that
would have records?
Military base ceremonies are usually recorded in at least two (2)
places, the soldier's military jacket (record) and the base commanders
daily log (Base activity report). Of course, the base activity report
may have been called something different in 1932.

In the case of a soldier's record, you should try the National Personnel
Record Center in St Louis Missouri, but only if you have sufficient
identifying data to help locate the records. You will need to file this
request on Standard Form 180 (SF 180). NPRC is an arm of the National
Archives and Records Administration (NARA).

The other issue you will have is getting around the Privacy Act
restrictions on release of information. You should explain and document
your "blood" or "legal" relationship to the soldier, and include a death
certificate if applicable. If the person is still living, the Record
Center will need a signed release >from the soldier in question. The NPRC
address with Information line phones (forms requests only) for each
Branch of Service is:

National Personnel Record Center,
Military Personnel Records
9700 Page Avenue
St. Louis, MO 63132-5100
Air Force: (314) 538-4243
Army: (314) 538-4261
Navy/ Marine Corps/ Coast Guard: (314) 538-4141

National Personnel Records Center (Military Personnel Records) web site
may be accessed for guidance and the downloading of the SF 180 form at
http://clio.nara.gov/regional/mpr.html

One cautionary note: On July 12, 1973, a fire on the 6th floor at 9700
Page Ave destroyed nearly all records pertaining to persons discharged
from the Army before 1960 and about two-thirds of the records pertaining
to persons discharged >from the Air Force before 1964. Alternate sources
are used to resolve reference problems caused by the fire, but this
cited incident may cause problems in the researching of records that
lack specific date and unit data.

Regarding the base records, given the time period, you will need to
write documenting your request to the Archivist for the Branch of
Service involved. Usually via the respective Service Secretary (i.e.
Secretary of the Army, etc) at the US Department of Defense, Pentagon
Bldg in Washington, DC. Another route, will be the Chaplian's Office of
the Service involved with a request that they direct your request
accordingly.

You may also be provided with leads on the Base Reports via a request to
the NPRC staff at the above cited NPRC address.

I hope this affords you some basic direction. I'm sure that other
avenues exist, but my memory fails me at current for added resources.

Kind regards,
Charles F. Printz,
Elizabeth, NJ/USA


Latvia SIG #Latvia Purchase of Microfilms - Worth it? #latvia

Joel Jakobson <j.j@...>
 

Sorry for coming in late in the "film discussion", but I have been
travelling out of e-mail reach in USA for the last three weeks, including a
stop in Salt Lake City for research at the Family History Library of the
Mormons. There I devoted part of my time glanzing trough some of these
documents filmed by the Mormons at the Herder-Institut in Marburg, Germany.
I went by the list published in Avotaynu last spring and summer issues.

Totally I managed to scan trough (in a fairly high tempo, meaning I could
have missed some info) about a dozen of microfilm rolls, mainly concerning
Mitau (Jelgava). Of these rolls only one contained a high concentration of
Jewish names, and two contained a few names.

Result (film no - outcome):

1 344 281 - no Jewish names
1 344 283 - "
1 344 288 - mainly (maybe all) Jewish names!!
1 344 291 - no Jewish names
1 344 305 - "
1 344 331 - "
1 344 332 - some Jewish names, one was KAHN
1 344 333 - no Jewish names
1 344 334 - "
1 344 335 - "
1 344 336 - "
1 344 337 - some Jewish names, e.g. GOLDBLATT, ASSER, ELOETT, HEYMANN

Also, my father recently examined the three listed films for Dunaburg
(Daugavpils) - 1344255, 1344258, 1344259 - without finding any Jewish names
there either.

Nota bene: My time allowed only a quick scan of these films, so I could have
missed something. But with a 30+ years past in journalism I think I have
some experience to get the main facts even under time pressure.

Conclusion: Buying the whole package of films - with maybe, if my small
sampling is right, a VERY low percentage of Jewish "hits" , would be a waste
of our time, our energy and our money.

Suggestion: Let's not hurry. (Yes, I know how eager we all are to get
"rolling"...) Let's first organize (by some maybe 30-40 members who can
access a FHC) a thorough check of the films, decide what is of value to our
SIG members and then either try to purchase them or to somehow copy them
from the FHC-reels. (I can't beleive they wouldn't be for sale if we wait a
little ;-)

Once again, sorry for my late jump into the discussion.

Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@...

P.s. If we do find out that we can get valuable info >from the films I'll
definetly
contribute with money and reasonable time for inputting/editing etc.


Searching: Violet DAVIS of Toronto #general

Judith Wolkovitch <102444.44@...>
 

I am seeking information about descendents of Violet DAVIS of Toronto,
Canada. Her parents were Emilia Sarah CASPER and Nathan Harry DAVIS who
married in 1881. Violet had three brothers: Lionel, Arthur and Bertram.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Judy Wolkovitch


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Violet DAVIS of Toronto #general

Judith Wolkovitch <102444.44@...>
 

I am seeking information about descendents of Violet DAVIS of Toronto,
Canada. Her parents were Emilia Sarah CASPER and Nathan Harry DAVIS who
married in 1881. Violet had three brothers: Lionel, Arthur and Bertram.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Judy Wolkovitch


Ukr ( Vinnicja ) Archives #general

AviDov@...
 

May I assume that the Vinnicja archives include the towns of Litin and
Ulaniv,which are about 20 to 30 miles distant West and North West ?

I seek the following family surnames: NUTKIS;REZNIK and ROITMAN .

At least one of the REZNIK sons went to Palestine in the early twenties and
owned
a small pharmacy in the sands of pre-Tel Aviv.He died at a young age,leaving
Esther
to raise their two daughters and a son,who still live in Israel

Israel NUTKIS followed or joined three sons and a daughter in the Metro NY/NJ
area.
The eldest son, my father Dov-Ber ( David ) joined the Jewish Legion in 1917
when David Ben-Gurion and Itzchak Ben Zvi came here to recruit young Jews in
the fight to wrest Palestine >from the Turks (Ottoman Empire).
My uncle Aaron,married Leah ( Leyka ) ROITMAN en route to America in 1921.
The youngest brother Nathan (Nachum) died here, in an accident at the age of
31.
I am still unable to document my father's sister in NYC who became estranged .
All of the above and their families left behind, were very close when they
lived in
the shtetls or towns as the case may be.Esther REZNICK z"l was always fond of
telling me(up till age 92) she could have been my mother,but for a fluke of
history.

I have an impelling need to learn what happened to those who stayed behind and
seek a starting point with a reasonable chance of success .Given my very
limited
computer "smarts",I can succeed only by being tenacious in my search .
I sincerely welcome all the sage advice that may come my way.

Most of the JGen membership is obviously highly skilled and motivated,so I ask
of
all of you to be extremely patient with me and my probably foolish questions .

I hope this long "Megillah" is not out of order and look forward to the next
step.

Cordially Abe
Nutkis


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ukr ( Vinnicja ) Archives #general

AviDov@...
 

May I assume that the Vinnicja archives include the towns of Litin and
Ulaniv,which are about 20 to 30 miles distant West and North West ?

I seek the following family surnames: NUTKIS;REZNIK and ROITMAN .

At least one of the REZNIK sons went to Palestine in the early twenties and
owned
a small pharmacy in the sands of pre-Tel Aviv.He died at a young age,leaving
Esther
to raise their two daughters and a son,who still live in Israel

Israel NUTKIS followed or joined three sons and a daughter in the Metro NY/NJ
area.
The eldest son, my father Dov-Ber ( David ) joined the Jewish Legion in 1917
when David Ben-Gurion and Itzchak Ben Zvi came here to recruit young Jews in
the fight to wrest Palestine >from the Turks (Ottoman Empire).
My uncle Aaron,married Leah ( Leyka ) ROITMAN en route to America in 1921.
The youngest brother Nathan (Nachum) died here, in an accident at the age of
31.
I am still unable to document my father's sister in NYC who became estranged .
All of the above and their families left behind, were very close when they
lived in
the shtetls or towns as the case may be.Esther REZNICK z"l was always fond of
telling me(up till age 92) she could have been my mother,but for a fluke of
history.

I have an impelling need to learn what happened to those who stayed behind and
seek a starting point with a reasonable chance of success .Given my very
limited
computer "smarts",I can succeed only by being tenacious in my search .
I sincerely welcome all the sage advice that may come my way.

Most of the JGen membership is obviously highly skilled and motivated,so I ask
of
all of you to be extremely patient with me and my probably foolish questions .

I hope this long "Megillah" is not out of order and look forward to the next
step.

Cordially Abe
Nutkis


Question on US Naturalization laws in 1893 #general

Roy Ogus <ogus@...>
 

Can anyone answer this question about a US Naturalization document in
1893?

The document is for a man who was naturalized in Chicago in 1893. The
document lists his wife's name as his witness.

At that time, did a witness on a naturalization document need to be a
US citizen him or herself (either a native or a naturalized citizen)?

If this is the case, then this would have meant that the wife became a
citizen before her husband, which is a puzzle, since the couple came to
the US already married. I know that before 1925, women became
naturalized a part of their husband's naturalization, but could a women
file independenty of her husband? Obviously, a man didn't become
automatically naturalized when his wife did!

I'd be interested in any feedback on this puzzle.

Thanks.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Question on US Naturalization laws in 1893 #general

Roy Ogus <ogus@...>
 

Can anyone answer this question about a US Naturalization document in
1893?

The document is for a man who was naturalized in Chicago in 1893. The
document lists his wife's name as his witness.

At that time, did a witness on a naturalization document need to be a
US citizen him or herself (either a native or a naturalized citizen)?

If this is the case, then this would have meant that the wife became a
citizen before her husband, which is a puzzle, since the couple came to
the US already married. I know that before 1925, women became
naturalized a part of their husband's naturalization, but could a women
file independenty of her husband? Obviously, a man didn't become
automatically naturalized when his wife did!

I'd be interested in any feedback on this puzzle.

Thanks.

Roy Ogus
Palo Alto, California


A name that sounds like DINKIR #general

Sam & Charlotte <samchar@...>
 

I just received a copy of the application for social security that my
grandfather filed, and on it he lists his mother's maiden name as
DINKIR. This opened a whole new area of research. I'm sure that the
name sounds something like DINKIR. I've checked on the JewishGen
databases, but there is no listing for anything close.

Since the area would be Russia/Ukraine, has anyone heard of a name
similar to this?

Charlotte Aisuss Showel
Las Vegas, Nevada
samchar@...

Searching for: REICIN, SCHNITZER, ORLOFF, WINOKUROFF
from: Chernigov, Starodub, Semyanovka, Novozibkov


Cremation of Jews in UK #general

Gailcopela@...
 

I've just found out that one of my grand-aunts and her husband were cremated.
This took place sometime in the 1980s in the UK. Is this or was this a common
practice among some English Jews?

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen A name that sounds like DINKIR #general

Sam & Charlotte <samchar@...>
 

I just received a copy of the application for social security that my
grandfather filed, and on it he lists his mother's maiden name as
DINKIR. This opened a whole new area of research. I'm sure that the
name sounds something like DINKIR. I've checked on the JewishGen
databases, but there is no listing for anything close.

Since the area would be Russia/Ukraine, has anyone heard of a name
similar to this?

Charlotte Aisuss Showel
Las Vegas, Nevada
samchar@...

Searching for: REICIN, SCHNITZER, ORLOFF, WINOKUROFF
from: Chernigov, Starodub, Semyanovka, Novozibkov


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cremation of Jews in UK #general

Gailcopela@...
 

I've just found out that one of my grand-aunts and her husband were cremated.
This took place sometime in the 1980s in the UK. Is this or was this a common
practice among some English Jews?

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada


ZELDIN (Warsaw & Otwock, Poland) #general

Yale J. Reisner <reisner@...>
 

Anyone with knowledge of the ZELDIN family that lived at ul. Grzybowska 21
in Warsaw in the 1930s and owned a villa in Otwock outside Warsaw is kindly
asked to contact the undersigned.

Many thanks,

Yale J. Reisner
Ronald S. Lauder Foundation


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ZELDIN (Warsaw & Otwock, Poland) #general

Yale J. Reisner <reisner@...>
 

Anyone with knowledge of the ZELDIN family that lived at ul. Grzybowska 21
in Warsaw in the 1930s and owned a villa in Otwock outside Warsaw is kindly
asked to contact the undersigned.

Many thanks,

Yale J. Reisner
Ronald S. Lauder Foundation