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Alphabetized Borisov List #belarus

Miriam Deitcher <deitcher@...>
 

I had a little free time last night, and decided to alphabetize the
unalphabetized section of the Borisov cemetery list published yesterday
by Eliyahu Tavger. See the original post for details about the list. I
didn't find any matches with my family, but maybe someone else will.
Note that I didn't remove duplicates. Here it is:
AIDIN, AIG, ALEXANDEROVITCH, ALKON, ALPERIN, ALPEROVITCH, ALTSHULER,
ANDRAGNIK, APELBAUM, ARANOVITCH, ARONCHIK, ARONIN, ARONOV, ASTRACHAN,
AXELROD, AZIMOV, BACHRACH, BARKAN, BARSHAI, BASKIN, BASKIND, BASKIND,
BASKIND, BEKKER, BELAVIN, BELIY,BELKIND, BELOUSOV, BENENSON, BERENSTEIN,
BERKOVITCH, BERLIN, BERMAN, BILIK, BIYAL,BLINKOV, BLINKOV, BLOCH,
BLUMKIND, BOBROV, BOGDANOV, BOGDANOVSKI, BOGDANOVSKI, BOGOLUBOV,
BOLOTIN, BOMSHTAIN, BORD, BORODA,BORSHAI, BRODKIN, BRUK, BUGOV,BURDO,
BURGIN, BURKOV,BUSLOV, BUSLOVITCH, BUSLOVITCH, CHAIKIN,
CHAIMAN,CHARNEY,CHARNEY, CHARNOKUNO,CHASIN, CHAZANOVITCH, CHAZOV,
CHEIFITZ, CHMELNIKOV, CHOLODENKO, CHOLODETZ, CHONIN, CHREIN, DANILOV,
DAVIDOVITCH, DICHMAN, DOBKIN, DOKSHITSKI, DONOV, DONSKI, DUBERSHTAIN,
DUDKOVSKI, DVORKIN, DVORKIND, EBER, EDELMAN, EISENSHTADT, ELAK,ELKIND,
EPSHTAIN, ESTEROV, ETLIN, FEIGEN, FEIGENBAUM, FEIMAN, FELDMAN, FELMAN,
FINE, FINEBERG, FINEBERG,FINKELSHTAIN, FINTUSHAL,
FISHKIND, FISHKIND, FISHMAN, FLAITLICH,FREIDIN, FREIKIN,FRIDLIYAND,
FRIEDMAN,FRUMKIND, FRUSIN, FUKSMAN, FUKSON,FUNDILER, FUNT, FURMAN,
FURMAN, FUTERMAN, GALPERIN, GANTVARG, GELFER, GERSHELEVITCH, GERSHMAN,
GERSHTAIN, GERTNER, GEZENTZVEI,
GILDENBERG, GILINSON, GINDIN, GINZBURG,GIRSHGORIN, GITLEVITCH,
GITLIN, GLIKMAN,GOLBRACH, GOLDBERG, GOLDIN, GOLFARB, GOLTFARD, GORELIK,
GREENBERG, GRINSHTAIN, GRODINSKI, GURLO, GURYEVITCH,
GUTKOVITCH, GUZMAN, INTRATOR, KABAKOV, KAGAN, KAGANOVITCH, KAGANOVITCH,
KALINKOVITCH, KANTOROV, KANTOROVICH, KAPELEVITCH, KAPEROVSKI,KAPLAN,
KAPLUN,KARASIK, KARASIOV,
KASAI, KATZ, KATZMAN, KATZMAN,KATZNELSON,KAZHDAN, KERSHENBAUM,
KERSHTAIN, KERTSHTEIN, KIMEL, KIMPINSKI,
KISHITZER,KLEBANOV,KLEBANOV, KLIMKOVITCH,KLIMKOVITCH, KLIOT,
KLUMEL,KOFMAN, KOGAN, KOKIN, KOLESNEKOV, KOPITO, KORDUNSKI,
KRAININ,KRAKOV, KRASNIK, KRAVTZOV, KREDO, KRIVOSHAY, KRUPKIN, KRUPKIN,
KUGEL, KUNDO, KUNYEVSKI, KUPERSHTAIN, KURNOV, KUSELMAN, KUSTEROV,
KUSTEROVITCH, KUZEMETZ, KUZINITZ, KUZNITZOV, LACHOVITSKI,LEIKIN,LEIKIND,
LEUS, LEVANT, LEVIN, LEVINTOV, LEVITIN,LIATZMAN, LIBENSON, LIBENSON,
LIBERMAN, LIBINSON,LICHTSHTAIN, LIPKIN, LIPKIND,LITMAN, LITVIN,
LITVINENKO,
LIVSHITZ, LOSIN, LUSKIN, LYANDRES, MALKIN, MANEVITCH, MARGOLIN,
MARGOLIN, MARKMAN, MARTINKEVITCH, MAZIN, MAZO, MEDVEDEV,
MEIZELS, MELAMED, MELNIKOV, MESSERMAN, METRIK, MICHAILOVER, MICHELSON,
MIESEL, MILESTOV, MINDEL,MINKOV, MINKOV, MINKOVITCH,MINKOVITCH, MINSKOV,
MIRKIN, MIRKIN, MIRKIND, MIRKIND, MIRSKI, MISHKIN, MOLOTCHNIK,
MONTATSKI, MONTATZSKI, MOROVANTCHIK,
MOVSHOVITCH, MUNVEZ, MUTERPERL,NAIDIS, NAYMAN, NECHAMIN,
NISNEVITCH, NISNEVITCH, OGUR, OKSHINSKI, OLEINIK, ORMAN, OXENKRUG,
PALEUS, PARETSKI, PASEKOV, PASSAGH, PERS, PETRUSHKEVITCH, PEVZNER,
PINTZOV, PLAVNIK,PLAVNIKOV, PLISKIN,
PLOTKIN, POBOGIN, PODNOS,PODOKSIK, PODRABINNIK,POLYAKOV, POTASHNIK,
PRASS, PRONKIN, PRUSAK, RABINOVITCH, RACHLIN, RAIMAN, RAINER-FILVINSKI,
RAISER, RAPOPORT, RASHKOVSKI, RASKIND, RATNER, RATNITZKI, REICHELSON,
REICHENSHTEIN, REMESNITZKI, RINGEL, RIYER, RIZHEKOV, RIZHINSKI,
RIZHINSKI, RODOV, ROGINSKI, ROGOVSKI, ROIZBERG, ROLBIN, ROSENBLOOM,
ROTSHTAIN,ROYAK, ROZENBERG, ROZENFELD, ROZENMAN, ROZIN, RUBINCHIK,
RUCHMAN, RUDERMAN, RUMM, RUSS, RUTSHTAIN, SACHNOVITCH, SACHRAI, SACHRAI,
SAPOZHNIKOV, SARANOVSKI, SAVELSON, SAVELSON, SAVULKIN, SEREBRYANIEY,
SHABLOVSKI, SHABUN,SHAIKMAN,SHAPIRO,SHATZMAN, SHAYEVITCH, SHECHTMAN,
SHER, SHERMAN, SHIFRIN, SHKOLNIK, SHLIMAK, SHLUSBERG, SHMEYIDINER,
SHMIDT, SHMULIK, SHNEIDER, SHPAYREGEN,SHPILMAN,SHPREIGIN, SHPUNT,SHTERN,
SHTUKMASTER, SHUB, SHULGIN, SHULKIN, SHULKIND, SHULMAN, SHUSTEROVICH,
SHVAIZER, SHVARTZ, SHVARTZBERG, SHVARTZMAN, SHVETZ, SICHNOVITCH,
SIGALCHIK,SIMKIN, SINELNIKOV,SIRKIN, SLEPIAN, SLOUSHER,SMOLKIN, SMOLKIN,
SMORODINSKI,SMUSIN, SOGOLOVITCH, SOKOL,SOSIN,SRUBSHIK, STARIKOV,
STAROBINETZ, STAROBINITZ, STAROZHILITZ, STAROZHILOV, STOLER, STRELTZIN,
STRONGIN, SURIS, SUSKIND, SUSLIK, SUTZKEVER, SVERDLOV, TAISHOV, TALAN,
TCHERNIN, TCHERNYACHOVSKI, TEITZ, TEPER, TOMCHIN,TRACHTENBERG, TRUCHNOV,
TZIGENBARD,TZIMERMAN, TZIMKOVSKI, TZIPKIN, TZITRON,
TZITZILUK, TZVEIG, VANT, VEISFELD, VERNOV, VERSHOV, VINOGRADOV, VIZLACH,
VOLMAN, VOROBAITCHIK,VULF, YANKELEVITCH, YERUSALIMCHIK,
YOFFE,YUDOVITCH,YUDOVITCH, ZALKIND, ZARCHIN, ZARSHIASKI, ZARTAISKI,
ZASKIND, ZASLAVSKI, ZELDIN, ZISMAN, ZLATKIN,ZUCHOVETSKI, ZUKERMAN,
ZUSMAN

Miriam S. Deitcher
Shaker Heights, OH
deitcher@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Thank you Miriam.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Alphabetized Borisov List #belarus

Miriam Deitcher <deitcher@...>
 

I had a little free time last night, and decided to alphabetize the
unalphabetized section of the Borisov cemetery list published yesterday
by Eliyahu Tavger. See the original post for details about the list. I
didn't find any matches with my family, but maybe someone else will.
Note that I didn't remove duplicates. Here it is:
AIDIN, AIG, ALEXANDEROVITCH, ALKON, ALPERIN, ALPEROVITCH, ALTSHULER,
ANDRAGNIK, APELBAUM, ARANOVITCH, ARONCHIK, ARONIN, ARONOV, ASTRACHAN,
AXELROD, AZIMOV, BACHRACH, BARKAN, BARSHAI, BASKIN, BASKIND, BASKIND,
BASKIND, BEKKER, BELAVIN, BELIY,BELKIND, BELOUSOV, BENENSON, BERENSTEIN,
BERKOVITCH, BERLIN, BERMAN, BILIK, BIYAL,BLINKOV, BLINKOV, BLOCH,
BLUMKIND, BOBROV, BOGDANOV, BOGDANOVSKI, BOGDANOVSKI, BOGOLUBOV,
BOLOTIN, BOMSHTAIN, BORD, BORODA,BORSHAI, BRODKIN, BRUK, BUGOV,BURDO,
BURGIN, BURKOV,BUSLOV, BUSLOVITCH, BUSLOVITCH, CHAIKIN,
CHAIMAN,CHARNEY,CHARNEY, CHARNOKUNO,CHASIN, CHAZANOVITCH, CHAZOV,
CHEIFITZ, CHMELNIKOV, CHOLODENKO, CHOLODETZ, CHONIN, CHREIN, DANILOV,
DAVIDOVITCH, DICHMAN, DOBKIN, DOKSHITSKI, DONOV, DONSKI, DUBERSHTAIN,
DUDKOVSKI, DVORKIN, DVORKIND, EBER, EDELMAN, EISENSHTADT, ELAK,ELKIND,
EPSHTAIN, ESTEROV, ETLIN, FEIGEN, FEIGENBAUM, FEIMAN, FELDMAN, FELMAN,
FINE, FINEBERG, FINEBERG,FINKELSHTAIN, FINTUSHAL,
FISHKIND, FISHKIND, FISHMAN, FLAITLICH,FREIDIN, FREIKIN,FRIDLIYAND,
FRIEDMAN,FRUMKIND, FRUSIN, FUKSMAN, FUKSON,FUNDILER, FUNT, FURMAN,
FURMAN, FUTERMAN, GALPERIN, GANTVARG, GELFER, GERSHELEVITCH, GERSHMAN,
GERSHTAIN, GERTNER, GEZENTZVEI,
GILDENBERG, GILINSON, GINDIN, GINZBURG,GIRSHGORIN, GITLEVITCH,
GITLIN, GLIKMAN,GOLBRACH, GOLDBERG, GOLDIN, GOLFARB, GOLTFARD, GORELIK,
GREENBERG, GRINSHTAIN, GRODINSKI, GURLO, GURYEVITCH,
GUTKOVITCH, GUZMAN, INTRATOR, KABAKOV, KAGAN, KAGANOVITCH, KAGANOVITCH,
KALINKOVITCH, KANTOROV, KANTOROVICH, KAPELEVITCH, KAPEROVSKI,KAPLAN,
KAPLUN,KARASIK, KARASIOV,
KASAI, KATZ, KATZMAN, KATZMAN,KATZNELSON,KAZHDAN, KERSHENBAUM,
KERSHTAIN, KERTSHTEIN, KIMEL, KIMPINSKI,
KISHITZER,KLEBANOV,KLEBANOV, KLIMKOVITCH,KLIMKOVITCH, KLIOT,
KLUMEL,KOFMAN, KOGAN, KOKIN, KOLESNEKOV, KOPITO, KORDUNSKI,
KRAININ,KRAKOV, KRASNIK, KRAVTZOV, KREDO, KRIVOSHAY, KRUPKIN, KRUPKIN,
KUGEL, KUNDO, KUNYEVSKI, KUPERSHTAIN, KURNOV, KUSELMAN, KUSTEROV,
KUSTEROVITCH, KUZEMETZ, KUZINITZ, KUZNITZOV, LACHOVITSKI,LEIKIN,LEIKIND,
LEUS, LEVANT, LEVIN, LEVINTOV, LEVITIN,LIATZMAN, LIBENSON, LIBENSON,
LIBERMAN, LIBINSON,LICHTSHTAIN, LIPKIN, LIPKIND,LITMAN, LITVIN,
LITVINENKO,
LIVSHITZ, LOSIN, LUSKIN, LYANDRES, MALKIN, MANEVITCH, MARGOLIN,
MARGOLIN, MARKMAN, MARTINKEVITCH, MAZIN, MAZO, MEDVEDEV,
MEIZELS, MELAMED, MELNIKOV, MESSERMAN, METRIK, MICHAILOVER, MICHELSON,
MIESEL, MILESTOV, MINDEL,MINKOV, MINKOV, MINKOVITCH,MINKOVITCH, MINSKOV,
MIRKIN, MIRKIN, MIRKIND, MIRKIND, MIRSKI, MISHKIN, MOLOTCHNIK,
MONTATSKI, MONTATZSKI, MOROVANTCHIK,
MOVSHOVITCH, MUNVEZ, MUTERPERL,NAIDIS, NAYMAN, NECHAMIN,
NISNEVITCH, NISNEVITCH, OGUR, OKSHINSKI, OLEINIK, ORMAN, OXENKRUG,
PALEUS, PARETSKI, PASEKOV, PASSAGH, PERS, PETRUSHKEVITCH, PEVZNER,
PINTZOV, PLAVNIK,PLAVNIKOV, PLISKIN,
PLOTKIN, POBOGIN, PODNOS,PODOKSIK, PODRABINNIK,POLYAKOV, POTASHNIK,
PRASS, PRONKIN, PRUSAK, RABINOVITCH, RACHLIN, RAIMAN, RAINER-FILVINSKI,
RAISER, RAPOPORT, RASHKOVSKI, RASKIND, RATNER, RATNITZKI, REICHELSON,
REICHENSHTEIN, REMESNITZKI, RINGEL, RIYER, RIZHEKOV, RIZHINSKI,
RIZHINSKI, RODOV, ROGINSKI, ROGOVSKI, ROIZBERG, ROLBIN, ROSENBLOOM,
ROTSHTAIN,ROYAK, ROZENBERG, ROZENFELD, ROZENMAN, ROZIN, RUBINCHIK,
RUCHMAN, RUDERMAN, RUMM, RUSS, RUTSHTAIN, SACHNOVITCH, SACHRAI, SACHRAI,
SAPOZHNIKOV, SARANOVSKI, SAVELSON, SAVELSON, SAVULKIN, SEREBRYANIEY,
SHABLOVSKI, SHABUN,SHAIKMAN,SHAPIRO,SHATZMAN, SHAYEVITCH, SHECHTMAN,
SHER, SHERMAN, SHIFRIN, SHKOLNIK, SHLIMAK, SHLUSBERG, SHMEYIDINER,
SHMIDT, SHMULIK, SHNEIDER, SHPAYREGEN,SHPILMAN,SHPREIGIN, SHPUNT,SHTERN,
SHTUKMASTER, SHUB, SHULGIN, SHULKIN, SHULKIND, SHULMAN, SHUSTEROVICH,
SHVAIZER, SHVARTZ, SHVARTZBERG, SHVARTZMAN, SHVETZ, SICHNOVITCH,
SIGALCHIK,SIMKIN, SINELNIKOV,SIRKIN, SLEPIAN, SLOUSHER,SMOLKIN, SMOLKIN,
SMORODINSKI,SMUSIN, SOGOLOVITCH, SOKOL,SOSIN,SRUBSHIK, STARIKOV,
STAROBINETZ, STAROBINITZ, STAROZHILITZ, STAROZHILOV, STOLER, STRELTZIN,
STRONGIN, SURIS, SUSKIND, SUSLIK, SUTZKEVER, SVERDLOV, TAISHOV, TALAN,
TCHERNIN, TCHERNYACHOVSKI, TEITZ, TEPER, TOMCHIN,TRACHTENBERG, TRUCHNOV,
TZIGENBARD,TZIMERMAN, TZIMKOVSKI, TZIPKIN, TZITRON,
TZITZILUK, TZVEIG, VANT, VEISFELD, VERNOV, VERSHOV, VINOGRADOV, VIZLACH,
VOLMAN, VOROBAITCHIK,VULF, YANKELEVITCH, YERUSALIMCHIK,
YOFFE,YUDOVITCH,YUDOVITCH, ZALKIND, ZARCHIN, ZARSHIASKI, ZARTAISKI,
ZASKIND, ZASLAVSKI, ZELDIN, ZISMAN, ZLATKIN,ZUCHOVETSKI, ZUKERMAN,
ZUSMAN

Miriam S. Deitcher
Shaker Heights, OH
deitcher@...

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Thank you Miriam.


Re: Borisov Cemetery - Name List #belarus

susan L Chernin <sueche1@...>
 

I want to plead ignorance. Several of the names on the list are close to
what I want but I am not sure where Borisov is. Is it with the district
around Vitebsk. I will be very interested in knowing when we can view
full list with first and last names.

Susan L Chernin
<sueche1@...>

On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:00:43 +0200 (IST) Rav Eliyahu Tavger
<eliyahu@...> writes:

I was given a list of those buried in the newer part until 1995, by Mr.
Krasnik to pass on to Mr. Alexander Rosenbloom. This list includes family
names, first names and father's names as well as dates of birth and death.
Mr. Rosenbloom asked me to publicize the list. Below are all the family
names >from the list, (all the names have been changed to the masculine).


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Borisov Cemetery - Name List #belarus

susan L Chernin <sueche1@...>
 

I want to plead ignorance. Several of the names on the list are close to
what I want but I am not sure where Borisov is. Is it with the district
around Vitebsk. I will be very interested in knowing when we can view
full list with first and last names.

Susan L Chernin
<sueche1@...>

On Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:00:43 +0200 (IST) Rav Eliyahu Tavger
<eliyahu@...> writes:

I was given a list of those buried in the newer part until 1995, by Mr.
Krasnik to pass on to Mr. Alexander Rosenbloom. This list includes family
names, first names and father's names as well as dates of birth and death.
Mr. Rosenbloom asked me to publicize the list. Below are all the family
names >from the list, (all the names have been changed to the masculine).


Re: RUTTENBERG Search #belarus

Kathy Keane <kkfish@...>
 

Hi Claudia: This may be of little or no value, but here goes: My aunt
(now deceased) was friends with a Mary and Meyer Ruttenberg in NYC (
lived on Central Park West). I believe they are now deceased. They had
a daughter Suzanne who I believe is an attorney and lives in the Los
Angeles area. They had a son too , but his ae escapes me. I met
Suzanne about 15 years ago. If i think of more, I will let you
know........

Kathy Keane
<kkfish@...>

Claudia Rutt wrote:


The surname that I am searching for is RUTTENBERG, they are >from Vitebsk.
If you have any information about the Surname RUTTENBERG would you please
contact me,


Re: JewishGen FTJP security #belarus

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Hi,

I am the person that posted the original message discussing the problem
of a certain company that has begun to mine genealogy information from
family tree web sites, and to charge their subscribers for the use of
that information. At the end of that message, I placed the following
statement and request: "I suspect that the new data base of the Family
Tree of the Jewish People project is safe >from this type of piracy,
except in the case of a determined person who will develop a special
approach for that purpose, but I would like to hear >from some one
connected with the planning of the FTJP project as to whether our data
are safe there."

I wish to thank Warren Blatt for responding to the above request. As
the person leading the team of volunteers who carried the Family Tree
of the Jewish People Project >from beginning to end for JewishGen, and
saw to the preparation of the JewishGen web site to make available the
data contributed by countless Jewish genealogists, Warren is certainly
in the best position to explain the precautions taken by the team to
protect the family trees submitted to this project.

I have carefully read Warren's description of the precautions which he
has put in place to protect the FTJP data base >from mining by
outsiders. In my opinion, these precautions represent a reasonable
cost-benefit balance between the the benefits to all genealogy
researchers and to the researchers submitting their trees (in terms of
making them available for legitimate research while at the same time
providing reasonable security for the trees themselves) as opposed to
the costs of doing this.

This type of decision-making is what all of us go through when we
consider how to protect our homes, or other possessions, >from those who
would try to steal >from them. Each of us makes his own evaluation as
to how much protection to achieve versus his cost of obtaining that
level of protection. And we all understand that one hundred percent
protection is unobtainable. The best we can hope for is to make the
challenge to "most" intruders so great that "most" of them will not
accept the challenge.

And this is true of the FTJP data base. The level of protection
provided is not one hundred percent, but it is sufficient that most of
us would be satisfied to accept it. This is not the place to describe
those few instances for which the protection can be breached.

On my own behalf, and I hope on behalf of the Jewish genealogy
community, I wish to compliment Warren and his team on the excellent
facility which they have prepared for us all.

Regards,

Jerry


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: RUTTENBERG Search #belarus

Kathy Keane <kkfish@...>
 

Hi Claudia: This may be of little or no value, but here goes: My aunt
(now deceased) was friends with a Mary and Meyer Ruttenberg in NYC (
lived on Central Park West). I believe they are now deceased. They had
a daughter Suzanne who I believe is an attorney and lives in the Los
Angeles area. They had a son too , but his ae escapes me. I met
Suzanne about 15 years ago. If i think of more, I will let you
know........

Kathy Keane
<kkfish@...>

Claudia Rutt wrote:


The surname that I am searching for is RUTTENBERG, they are >from Vitebsk.
If you have any information about the Surname RUTTENBERG would you please
contact me,


Yizkor Books #YizkorBooks Re: JewishGen FTJP security #yizkorbooks

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Hi,

I am the person that posted the original message discussing the problem
of a certain company that has begun to mine genealogy information from
family tree web sites, and to charge their subscribers for the use of
that information. At the end of that message, I placed the following
statement and request: "I suspect that the new data base of the Family
Tree of the Jewish People project is safe >from this type of piracy,
except in the case of a determined person who will develop a special
approach for that purpose, but I would like to hear >from some one
connected with the planning of the FTJP project as to whether our data
are safe there."

I wish to thank Warren Blatt for responding to the above request. As
the person leading the team of volunteers who carried the Family Tree
of the Jewish People Project >from beginning to end for JewishGen, and
saw to the preparation of the JewishGen web site to make available the
data contributed by countless Jewish genealogists, Warren is certainly
in the best position to explain the precautions taken by the team to
protect the family trees submitted to this project.

I have carefully read Warren's description of the precautions which he
has put in place to protect the FTJP data base >from mining by
outsiders. In my opinion, these precautions represent a reasonable
cost-benefit balance between the the benefits to all genealogy
researchers and to the researchers submitting their trees (in terms of
making them available for legitimate research while at the same time
providing reasonable security for the trees themselves) as opposed to
the costs of doing this.

This type of decision-making is what all of us go through when we
consider how to protect our homes, or other possessions, >from those who
would try to steal >from them. Each of us makes his own evaluation as
to how much protection to achieve versus his cost of obtaining that
level of protection. And we all understand that one hundred percent
protection is unobtainable. The best we can hope for is to make the
challenge to "most" intruders so great that "most" of them will not
accept the challenge.

And this is true of the FTJP data base. The level of protection
provided is not one hundred percent, but it is sufficient that most of
us would be satisfied to accept it. This is not the place to describe
those few instances for which the protection can be breached.

On my own behalf, and I hope on behalf of the Jewish genealogy
community, I wish to compliment Warren and his team on the excellent
facility which they have prepared for us all.

Regards,

Jerry


Re: RUTTENBERG Search #belarus

EZRA <ezra@...>
 

Shalom,

As you might know there are quit a bit of Rutenberg in Israel. Some of them
are >from Romenia.there is also a famous Rutenberg that around the begining
of the century (?) build a power plant in Machnaim Israel.

Sara
<ezra@...>

Claudia Rutt wrote:

The surname that I am searching for is RUTTENBERG, they are >from Vitebsk.
If you have any information about the Surname RUTTENBERG would you please
contact me,


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: RUTTENBERG Search #belarus

EZRA <ezra@...>
 

Shalom,

As you might know there are quit a bit of Rutenberg in Israel. Some of them
are >from Romenia.there is also a famous Rutenberg that around the begining
of the century (?) build a power plant in Machnaim Israel.

Sara
<ezra@...>

Claudia Rutt wrote:

The surname that I am searching for is RUTTENBERG, they are >from Vitebsk.
If you have any information about the Surname RUTTENBERG would you please
contact me,


Public opinion #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Dear H-siggers -

I am forwarding to the entire sig a message I received earlier this morning
followed by my response.
Both the letter and my response are hopefully self-explanatory. However, I
would like other opinions
as well. I will share several of the most representative responses with the
entire group. I don't want to fill the space here with discussion about what
is, and what is not, a proper subject to be aired on this sig. That
information is clearly spelled out on our website
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/About_HSIG.htm as well as in the Jewishgen
infofiles LS


Dear Louis,
Congratulations for your 50th birthday and thank you for the good
work you are doing for H-Sig. I am reading the files every day and answer
from time to time to a request but I must say that I am not too active
at present. As you can see, I am still working and using the lab's
computer to read your mail.
Since I am planning to retire within ca. one year, I hope to have time
to look more deeply into my Hungarian roots and H-Sig will be
very precious then. At present, I try to collect interesting pieces of
information but
do nothing with them.
May I make a small reproach ? I feel that there is a drift in H-Sig from
"genealogy for Hungarian Jews" to "Hungarian Jews" alone. For instance,
many people write about movies concerning the Shoah or tell about their
personal experience in 1944-45 etc.. These texts and probably
these movies are very moving and I have sometimes tears in the eyes when
I
read them, but they are OUTSIDE the scope of H-sig, in my opinion.
There are probably many websites concerning the Hungarian part of the
holocaust and if not, it would be easy to create one, but this is not
directly related to genealogy, except when it is said than this or this
person was killed at Auschwitz.
I hope you shall not be shocked or offended by what I wrote.
-----Original Message-----
From: Louis Schonfeld [mailto:lmagyar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 5:21 AM

Dear -------,

Thank you for the birthday wishes. Your comments are by no means
shocking or offensive. Personally, I wish there were more genealogy
specific messages about Hungarian Jews, and therefore I could be
more selective in what messages are released to the group. However, I am
also sensitive to the needs of
Hungarian survivors who to the best of my knowledge have no forum of their
own.
In particular, our group seems to have a significant number of younger
survivors (those
hidden or otherwise saved in Budapest) - people today, in their sixties to
mid seventies.

I will post your messange sans author in order to gauge the thoughts of
other members of the sig. If yours is an isolated opinion I hope you will
still stay with us until such time when our membership grows, and we
can divide up into more particular sigs and discussion groups. The Litvak
sig has
over 1000 subscribers while we have just exceeded the first magic hurdle of
300. I would have thought there should have
been a Slovakian sig and a Subcarpathian sig by now, but apparently it will
take more time.

Best wishes,

Louis Schonfeld

P.S. In the original message to me, the author gave approval to share what he wrote. He gave me the choice of doing it anonymously or not.


P.S.S. To the sig: I checked again today, and the membership is up to 307.
Whomever it may have been who quipped that life after 50 is the better half, may be right after all.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Public opinion #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Dear H-siggers -

I am forwarding to the entire sig a message I received earlier this morning
followed by my response.
Both the letter and my response are hopefully self-explanatory. However, I
would like other opinions
as well. I will share several of the most representative responses with the
entire group. I don't want to fill the space here with discussion about what
is, and what is not, a proper subject to be aired on this sig. That
information is clearly spelled out on our website
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/About_HSIG.htm as well as in the Jewishgen
infofiles LS


Dear Louis,
Congratulations for your 50th birthday and thank you for the good
work you are doing for H-Sig. I am reading the files every day and answer
from time to time to a request but I must say that I am not too active
at present. As you can see, I am still working and using the lab's
computer to read your mail.
Since I am planning to retire within ca. one year, I hope to have time
to look more deeply into my Hungarian roots and H-Sig will be
very precious then. At present, I try to collect interesting pieces of
information but
do nothing with them.
May I make a small reproach ? I feel that there is a drift in H-Sig from
"genealogy for Hungarian Jews" to "Hungarian Jews" alone. For instance,
many people write about movies concerning the Shoah or tell about their
personal experience in 1944-45 etc.. These texts and probably
these movies are very moving and I have sometimes tears in the eyes when
I
read them, but they are OUTSIDE the scope of H-sig, in my opinion.
There are probably many websites concerning the Hungarian part of the
holocaust and if not, it would be easy to create one, but this is not
directly related to genealogy, except when it is said than this or this
person was killed at Auschwitz.
I hope you shall not be shocked or offended by what I wrote.
-----Original Message-----
From: Louis Schonfeld [mailto:lmagyar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 5:21 AM

Dear -------,

Thank you for the birthday wishes. Your comments are by no means
shocking or offensive. Personally, I wish there were more genealogy
specific messages about Hungarian Jews, and therefore I could be
more selective in what messages are released to the group. However, I am
also sensitive to the needs of
Hungarian survivors who to the best of my knowledge have no forum of their
own.
In particular, our group seems to have a significant number of younger
survivors (those
hidden or otherwise saved in Budapest) - people today, in their sixties to
mid seventies.

I will post your messange sans author in order to gauge the thoughts of
other members of the sig. If yours is an isolated opinion I hope you will
still stay with us until such time when our membership grows, and we
can divide up into more particular sigs and discussion groups. The Litvak
sig has
over 1000 subscribers while we have just exceeded the first magic hurdle of
300. I would have thought there should have
been a Slovakian sig and a Subcarpathian sig by now, but apparently it will
take more time.

Best wishes,

Louis Schonfeld

P.S. In the original message to me, the author gave approval to share what he wrote. He gave me the choice of doing it anonymously or not.


P.S.S. To the sig: I checked again today, and the membership is up to 307.
Whomever it may have been who quipped that life after 50 is the better half, may be right after all.


latvia digest: February 08, 1999 #latvia

Irene Goldstein <ireneedit@...>
 

I will be happy to make a small donation to the film project. Please advi=
se
when and where to make good on my pledge.

Irene Saunders Goldstein


Latvia SIG #Latvia latvia digest: February 08, 1999 #latvia

Irene Goldstein <ireneedit@...>
 

I will be happy to make a small donation to the film project. Please advi=
se
when and where to make good on my pledge.

Irene Saunders Goldstein


The last days #hungary

Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
 

I read with deep emotion the NY TIMES' article concerning "the last days
in Hungary". As many H-SIGGERS, I suppose, I lost several relatives in
1944 and I'm therefore strongly interested to purchase a videocassette
of this documentary, for I'm living in Italy and I have more than a
doubt that this film will arrive to my country.
It would a great help if any of you have an idea on the way to get this
film or information about if there is any plan to export the movie to
any European country. Thanks and bye, ciao.

Steven Grosz.

PS-Dear Louis, concerning the 303 subscribers, in Milano there are at
least three H-SIG subscribers and we knew each other just thru
Jewishgen!


Hungary SIG #Hungary The last days #hungary

Stefano Groszy <steven@...>
 

I read with deep emotion the NY TIMES' article concerning "the last days
in Hungary". As many H-SIGGERS, I suppose, I lost several relatives in
1944 and I'm therefore strongly interested to purchase a videocassette
of this documentary, for I'm living in Italy and I have more than a
doubt that this film will arrive to my country.
It would a great help if any of you have an idea on the way to get this
film or information about if there is any plan to export the movie to
any European country. Thanks and bye, ciao.

Steven Grosz.

PS-Dear Louis, concerning the 303 subscribers, in Milano there are at
least three H-SIG subscribers and we knew each other just thru
Jewishgen!


Re: latvia digest: February 08, 1999 #latvia

DSHART@...
 

I would be willing to donate $100 to the project. Please let me know how to
make the contribution (i.e., where to send check, made out to whom, etc.)

I am interested in the families of Windau, now Ventspils. I hope my
contribution will elevate the status of this aspect of the database.

Please let me hear >from you. Diana Hart Wash DC (dshart@...)


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: latvia digest: February 08, 1999 #latvia

DSHART@...
 

I would be willing to donate $100 to the project. Please let me know how to
make the contribution (i.e., where to send check, made out to whom, etc.)

I am interested in the families of Windau, now Ventspils. I hope my
contribution will elevate the status of this aspect of the database.

Please let me hear >from you. Diana Hart Wash DC (dshart@...)


Suggestions for creation of database #latvia

DBH12345
 

Marion Werle asked me to comment on the plans for a Latvia SIG Database from
the perspective of being someone who has worked on one.

I am very much in support of the creation of a Latvia SIG database. My role as
Co-Coordinator of the LitvakSIG has been to help organize research groups who
pool resources to buy and pay for professional translation. Davida Noyek
Handler, my Co-Coordinator, and our Database Manager, Anne Rothman, can offer
much better advice about the database, when you get that far along. But I
have some suggestions about things you should begin to work out very early in
the process.

** Establish transliteration and translation standards and procedures early
on. Get consensus about this and try to have consistency >from the very
beginning.

** Think about what kind of data, in addition to what is on these LDS
microfilms, that you are going to put in the database.

** Think about what you want the search engine to be able to do for you from
the very beginning and discuss this with Michael Tobias (assuming that he's
going to make your database searchable on JewishGen.) He is very familiar
with LDS microfilms for Poland - I don't know about whether the records were
different for Latvia. Provide examples to him, before you create a template
(the fields) for your database. In the LitvakSIG revision lists data, entire
households are counted, and the relationship between every member of that
household, including people like sons in law with different surnames, is
noted. We found that it was very important to have the search turn up groups
of records of people whom we knew to be related.

** It is important to decide what information you want to preserve and how.
Obviously the best thing is to record everything that is on the records, but
this may not prove practical. A much less expensive alternative would be to
create an index of key information, and let people who wanted full
translations of what was on the LDS film, pay for them as you go.

** Plan on double checking everything at every stage of the process - from
translation to data input to proofing. The clerks who created the records
made plenty of mistakes themselves; try and reduce the human error we add to
all of our databases.

** Give people an opportunity to try each job before they make a firm
commitment or you become dependent on them. It may be more work than they
thought, or their skills may not meet your needs.

** Expect it to take a lot more work than you ever thought possible! But it
will be worth it.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


Latvia SIG #Latvia Suggestions for creation of database #latvia

DBH12345
 

Marion Werle asked me to comment on the plans for a Latvia SIG Database from
the perspective of being someone who has worked on one.

I am very much in support of the creation of a Latvia SIG database. My role as
Co-Coordinator of the LitvakSIG has been to help organize research groups who
pool resources to buy and pay for professional translation. Davida Noyek
Handler, my Co-Coordinator, and our Database Manager, Anne Rothman, can offer
much better advice about the database, when you get that far along. But I
have some suggestions about things you should begin to work out very early in
the process.

** Establish transliteration and translation standards and procedures early
on. Get consensus about this and try to have consistency >from the very
beginning.

** Think about what kind of data, in addition to what is on these LDS
microfilms, that you are going to put in the database.

** Think about what you want the search engine to be able to do for you from
the very beginning and discuss this with Michael Tobias (assuming that he's
going to make your database searchable on JewishGen.) He is very familiar
with LDS microfilms for Poland - I don't know about whether the records were
different for Latvia. Provide examples to him, before you create a template
(the fields) for your database. In the LitvakSIG revision lists data, entire
households are counted, and the relationship between every member of that
household, including people like sons in law with different surnames, is
noted. We found that it was very important to have the search turn up groups
of records of people whom we knew to be related.

** It is important to decide what information you want to preserve and how.
Obviously the best thing is to record everything that is on the records, but
this may not prove practical. A much less expensive alternative would be to
create an index of key information, and let people who wanted full
translations of what was on the LDS film, pay for them as you go.

** Plan on double checking everything at every stage of the process - from
translation to data input to proofing. The clerks who created the records
made plenty of mistakes themselves; try and reduce the human error we add to
all of our databases.

** Give people an opportunity to try each job before they make a firm
commitment or you become dependent on them. It may be more work than they
thought, or their skills may not meet your needs.

** Expect it to take a lot more work than you ever thought possible! But it
will be worth it.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG