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Szobrancz Records #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Back in December Louis Schonfeld posted a message regarding the possible
availability of copies of Szobrancz birth records. The copies were
reportedly being made available by a Professor Hartman in Israel. I
followed up with a direct inquiry to Prof. Hartman but have not received a
respose. I'm reposting the message to the entire list in hope that someone
can help us locate the records or Prof. Hartman.

Several of us who are researching roots >from the Szobrancz area would be
interested in sharing the cost of purchasing these films and sharing the
job of transcribing the data. The product of our work could eventually be
posted on our H-SIG website. Seems like this is the kind of collaborative
effort that H-SIG should be undertaking.

TIA,

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

BAAL/BERKOVITS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), NYC, Detroit, Israel
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Deans, NJ, Netanyu, Israel
KAHN/KAHAN/COHEN/Sighetu Marmatei, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London,
NYC, Los Angeles
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz
Michalovce, Munkacs,Ungvar,Washington Heights, Queeens, NYC
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov n. Toplou (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt),
Slov.,Washington Hts, Queens, NYC
ZEGAL/Sighet


<<Shalom Professor Hartman,

I got your e-mail address >from Louis Schonfeld who notified members of the
Hungarian SIG that you have photocopies of Szobrancz birth records for the
period 1798-1865. These records are of particular interest to me because
my father, both of my paternal grandparents and a number of other relatives
were born in the Sobrance area. There are also other H-SIG members
researching family >from this area who are interested in these records.

I understand that you are willing to provide us with copies of these
records for a fee and would like to have more information.

1. Approximately how many records have you copied?

2. Do the records cover the small communities surrounding Sobrance whose
Jewish residents worshipped in the larger city? Some of these Szobrancz
area communities listed in 1877 Gazetteer and 1848 Conscriptio include Tiba
(Tibava), Rybnica, Kereszt, Kisozstro, Jenko, Benatine, Porubka,
Baskocz,Fekeshaza, and Bunkocz.

3. How legible are the records? Did you copy the original documents?

4. What fee would you charge to cover your work and expenses in connection
with obtaining and providing the records to the Hungarian SIG?

I am willing to pay a reasonable fee to obtain copies of the Sobrancz
records and believe others would also because we have not been able to find
this information elsewhere. It is my understanding that the Hungarian
State Archives in Budapest has Szobrancz records >from this period. Is this
your source?

As you may know, the Mormons have not filmed any Jewish records >from the
Sobrance area other than the 1848 Conscriptio Judaeorum. Some Jewish
households are also included in the 1828 and early census records that have
been filmed by the Mormons. I have also been advised by the Bratislava and
Presov archives that they do not have Jewish records >from the Sobrance area
in their collections.>>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Szobrancz Records #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Back in December Louis Schonfeld posted a message regarding the possible
availability of copies of Szobrancz birth records. The copies were
reportedly being made available by a Professor Hartman in Israel. I
followed up with a direct inquiry to Prof. Hartman but have not received a
respose. I'm reposting the message to the entire list in hope that someone
can help us locate the records or Prof. Hartman.

Several of us who are researching roots >from the Szobrancz area would be
interested in sharing the cost of purchasing these films and sharing the
job of transcribing the data. The product of our work could eventually be
posted on our H-SIG website. Seems like this is the kind of collaborative
effort that H-SIG should be undertaking.

TIA,

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

BAAL/BERKOVITS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.); Seini, Rom. (Szinervaralja, Hun), NYC, Detroit, Israel
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Deans, NJ, Netanyu, Israel
KAHN/KAHAN/COHEN/Sighetu Marmatei, Rom.(Maramarossziget, Hun), London,
NYC, Los Angeles
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/MOSS, Ostrov (Kisozstro), Sobrance, Bunkocz
Michalovce, Munkacs,Ungvar,Washington Heights, Queeens, NYC
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce, Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov n. Toplou (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt),
Slov.,Washington Hts, Queens, NYC
ZEGAL/Sighet


<<Shalom Professor Hartman,

I got your e-mail address >from Louis Schonfeld who notified members of the
Hungarian SIG that you have photocopies of Szobrancz birth records for the
period 1798-1865. These records are of particular interest to me because
my father, both of my paternal grandparents and a number of other relatives
were born in the Sobrance area. There are also other H-SIG members
researching family >from this area who are interested in these records.

I understand that you are willing to provide us with copies of these
records for a fee and would like to have more information.

1. Approximately how many records have you copied?

2. Do the records cover the small communities surrounding Sobrance whose
Jewish residents worshipped in the larger city? Some of these Szobrancz
area communities listed in 1877 Gazetteer and 1848 Conscriptio include Tiba
(Tibava), Rybnica, Kereszt, Kisozstro, Jenko, Benatine, Porubka,
Baskocz,Fekeshaza, and Bunkocz.

3. How legible are the records? Did you copy the original documents?

4. What fee would you charge to cover your work and expenses in connection
with obtaining and providing the records to the Hungarian SIG?

I am willing to pay a reasonable fee to obtain copies of the Sobrancz
records and believe others would also because we have not been able to find
this information elsewhere. It is my understanding that the Hungarian
State Archives in Budapest has Szobrancz records >from this period. Is this
your source?

As you may know, the Mormons have not filmed any Jewish records >from the
Sobrance area other than the 1848 Conscriptio Judaeorum. Some Jewish
households are also included in the 1828 and early census records that have
been filmed by the Mormons. I have also been advised by the Bratislava and
Presov archives that they do not have Jewish records >from the Sobrance area
in their collections.>>


Budapest Obituaries #hungary

Lebn@...
 

Dear H-Siggers,

An important resource is available in Budapest and I am trying to find a
volunteer in our H-SIG group who could help me by doing some lookups, copying
and mailing me the documents. Of course I would reimburse the person for all
expenses and make a donation to an organization of their choice. I am not
healthy enough to go on the ShtetlsShlepper trip to Budapest that is currently
being planned for April.

What I want is for someone to search the ALPHABETIZED obituaries at the
Szechenyi National Library for the surnames BIEN, BIENENFELD and MATRAI. I am
referring to an article written by Diane Goldman in which she explained about
obituaries found in Budapest. The substance of the article is as follows:

The Hungarian obituaries at the Szechenyi National Library are an 800,000-item
collection of death notices. The obituaries are contained in the library's
ground-floor larger collection of printed matter (including posters, for
example). The room is to the right as one passes the security checkpoint,
behind the cafeteria; the collection staff do not speak English. Most
material observed is >from the period
1900-1915, although entries were dated as early as 1864 and as late as
1965. The sheets usually include the name, birthplace, age, and residence
of the deceased as well as the names (and relationship) of survivors and
any funeral details. These "obituaries" were expensive, and so only cover
families well-known and well-off enough to pay the cost. However, the
collection includes deaths in cities quite far >from Budapest (Prague,
Berlin, Baden-Baden, Kaposvar, Werschetz) and the collection is
comprehensive, since one copy of each obituary published had to be
submitted to the National Library. In addition, the collection has been
broadened by bequests >from collectors. The materials are organized
alphabetically by surname and within that not at all. (The exception is
folders reviewed by Family Tree Ltd. staffer Iosif Kis, who has been
alphabetizing each folder he reviews.) Jewish families (perhaps 10 percent
of the items seen) are usually easy to identify >from the funeral
arrangements, the art is distinctive but similar to that for Reformed
Church families.

If someone in Budapest can do this for me I would be very grateful and I could
reciprocate by doing work perhaps at the Library of Congress, if needed. Or
if this could be a small project for the ShtetlsShleppers I would make an
appropriate donation to the group going to Budapest or to Jewishgenerosity in
the name of the H-SIG .

Best regards to all,
Eleanor Bien


Hungary SIG #Hungary Budapest Obituaries #hungary

Lebn@...
 

Dear H-Siggers,

An important resource is available in Budapest and I am trying to find a
volunteer in our H-SIG group who could help me by doing some lookups, copying
and mailing me the documents. Of course I would reimburse the person for all
expenses and make a donation to an organization of their choice. I am not
healthy enough to go on the ShtetlsShlepper trip to Budapest that is currently
being planned for April.

What I want is for someone to search the ALPHABETIZED obituaries at the
Szechenyi National Library for the surnames BIEN, BIENENFELD and MATRAI. I am
referring to an article written by Diane Goldman in which she explained about
obituaries found in Budapest. The substance of the article is as follows:

The Hungarian obituaries at the Szechenyi National Library are an 800,000-item
collection of death notices. The obituaries are contained in the library's
ground-floor larger collection of printed matter (including posters, for
example). The room is to the right as one passes the security checkpoint,
behind the cafeteria; the collection staff do not speak English. Most
material observed is >from the period
1900-1915, although entries were dated as early as 1864 and as late as
1965. The sheets usually include the name, birthplace, age, and residence
of the deceased as well as the names (and relationship) of survivors and
any funeral details. These "obituaries" were expensive, and so only cover
families well-known and well-off enough to pay the cost. However, the
collection includes deaths in cities quite far >from Budapest (Prague,
Berlin, Baden-Baden, Kaposvar, Werschetz) and the collection is
comprehensive, since one copy of each obituary published had to be
submitted to the National Library. In addition, the collection has been
broadened by bequests >from collectors. The materials are organized
alphabetically by surname and within that not at all. (The exception is
folders reviewed by Family Tree Ltd. staffer Iosif Kis, who has been
alphabetizing each folder he reviews.) Jewish families (perhaps 10 percent
of the items seen) are usually easy to identify >from the funeral
arrangements, the art is distinctive but similar to that for Reformed
Church families.

If someone in Budapest can do this for me I would be very grateful and I could
reciprocate by doing work perhaps at the Library of Congress, if needed. Or
if this could be a small project for the ShtetlsShleppers I would make an
appropriate donation to the group going to Budapest or to Jewishgenerosity in
the name of the H-SIG .

Best regards to all,
Eleanor Bien


Kisvarda yizkor book #hungary

Peter S. Spiro <peter.spiro@...>
 

As part of JewishGen's translation project, I have now completed
translating substantial parts of the memorial book for Kisvarda and the
surrounding villages. This is historical material which will provide
some insight into the lives of our ancestors in that part of the world.
It can be downloaded from:

http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/kisvamem.htm
--

| Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada |
| Visit my homepage at: |
| http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ |


Hungary SIG #Hungary Kisvarda yizkor book #hungary

Peter S. Spiro <peter.spiro@...>
 

As part of JewishGen's translation project, I have now completed
translating substantial parts of the memorial book for Kisvarda and the
surrounding villages. This is historical material which will provide
some insight into the lives of our ancestors in that part of the world.
It can be downloaded from:

http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/kisvamem.htm
--

| Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada |
| Visit my homepage at: |
| http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ |


Humenne shtetlinks updated with pictures #hungary

Cherie Korer <korer@...>
 

Please visit the new and improved Humenne webpages at

www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/humenne/humenne.html

Included is a picture of Regina SALAMON Fox as she nears her Centennial
plus 1!

Scroll down to the end and hit "my webpages" to see a picture of her
father's Kocsma.

There's also a picture of me.

Best regards and thanks for so many personal emails expressing interest
in Bubbe Fox. She's a spunky hunky!

Cherie Korer

mod.-congratulations Cherie for taking on this responsibility. Isn't it time for Munkacs/Mukachevo to have its own web page as well? There are nearly fifty individuals through Jewishgen alone that are researching family >from that town. LS


Hungary SIG #Hungary Humenne shtetlinks updated with pictures #hungary

Cherie Korer <korer@...>
 

Please visit the new and improved Humenne webpages at

www.jewishgen.org/shtetlinks/humenne/humenne.html

Included is a picture of Regina SALAMON Fox as she nears her Centennial
plus 1!

Scroll down to the end and hit "my webpages" to see a picture of her
father's Kocsma.

There's also a picture of me.

Best regards and thanks for so many personal emails expressing interest
in Bubbe Fox. She's a spunky hunky!

Cherie Korer

mod.-congratulations Cherie for taking on this responsibility. Isn't it time for Munkacs/Mukachevo to have its own web page as well? There are nearly fifty individuals through Jewishgen alone that are researching family >from that town. LS


Levites in Belarus #belarus

Len H <lmhari@...>
 

My son and I are reasearching the name GANTMAN which, at least
for some individuals, became HANTMAN when they arrived in the U.S.

The family emigrated >from Ostrovy (now absorbed into Michanovici) about
12mi. SSE of Minsk. (There is/was another Ostrovy about 32 SSE of Minsk.)
We have actually visited the area.

We have identified what we are pretty sure are descendants of my grandfather
and my grandfather's brothers; however my grandfather's descendants
all believe they are Levis (Levites) while the identified descendants of my
grandfather's brothers, claim they are not (or more accurately, do not
believe they are.)

I'm wondering:

1. Was it common for families entering the U.S. to suddenly claim they were
Levis for one reason or another?

2. Would it have been common for Jews in the region in the middle to late
1800's not to know or not to have used the appelation?

3. Are the words "ha Levi" (or Russian equivalent) used on gravestones
or other documents (like Yizkor books) in Belarus? I haven't actually seen
it used myself.

4. What might be a sensible way to determine where/when the divergence
occurred?

5. Is it safe to say that the Levi or similar designation is a poor way
to prove/disprove family relationships?

BTW: As strange as it sounds wouldn't it be great, >from a genealogical or
health standpoint, if there was a DNA/gene method for determining
Levite-ship.

Len Hantman
Waltham, MA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: As a matter of fact, there are people who are doing
DNA testing as you discribe. One of our members who is physcian is looking
into setting up a program for DNA testing for genealogical purposes.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Levites in Belarus #belarus

Len H <lmhari@...>
 

My son and I are reasearching the name GANTMAN which, at least
for some individuals, became HANTMAN when they arrived in the U.S.

The family emigrated >from Ostrovy (now absorbed into Michanovici) about
12mi. SSE of Minsk. (There is/was another Ostrovy about 32 SSE of Minsk.)
We have actually visited the area.

We have identified what we are pretty sure are descendants of my grandfather
and my grandfather's brothers; however my grandfather's descendants
all believe they are Levis (Levites) while the identified descendants of my
grandfather's brothers, claim they are not (or more accurately, do not
believe they are.)

I'm wondering:

1. Was it common for families entering the U.S. to suddenly claim they were
Levis for one reason or another?

2. Would it have been common for Jews in the region in the middle to late
1800's not to know or not to have used the appelation?

3. Are the words "ha Levi" (or Russian equivalent) used on gravestones
or other documents (like Yizkor books) in Belarus? I haven't actually seen
it used myself.

4. What might be a sensible way to determine where/when the divergence
occurred?

5. Is it safe to say that the Levi or similar designation is a poor way
to prove/disprove family relationships?

BTW: As strange as it sounds wouldn't it be great, >from a genealogical or
health standpoint, if there was a DNA/gene method for determining
Levite-ship.

Len Hantman
Waltham, MA

MODERATOR'S NOTE: As a matter of fact, there are people who are doing
DNA testing as you discribe. One of our members who is physcian is looking
into setting up a program for DNA testing for genealogical purposes.


Re: Minsk archives - How To Make Request #belarus

LOGAN M LOCKABEY <LOGANISJUDD@...>
 

I read your request concerning researching the Minsk Archives in Belarus. I
have recently posted a similar request and have had no response. If you do
receive a response to your request please advise me. Also if I learn
anything I will contact you.

I also have the surname FINE in my family tree. I am anxious to share
information.

Please contact me at my personal E-mail address and be sure to give me yours
for any future correspondence.

Logan M. Lockabey
loganisjudd@...


Issie Fine wrote:

I have seen references to requests for research in the Minsk archives on
the Belarus SIG.
I was wondering if anyone knows where to write to do an archive search
for this shtetl?



Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Minsk archives - How To Make Request #belarus

LOGAN M LOCKABEY <LOGANISJUDD@...>
 

I read your request concerning researching the Minsk Archives in Belarus. I
have recently posted a similar request and have had no response. If you do
receive a response to your request please advise me. Also if I learn
anything I will contact you.

I also have the surname FINE in my family tree. I am anxious to share
information.

Please contact me at my personal E-mail address and be sure to give me yours
for any future correspondence.

Logan M. Lockabey
loganisjudd@...


Issie Fine wrote:

I have seen references to requests for research in the Minsk archives on
the Belarus SIG.
I was wondering if anyone knows where to write to do an archive search
for this shtetl?



Re: Mottel/Max and Anna/Hasha/Hannah #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 09:06 27-01-99 -0800, you wrote:
I found my g-grandfather Max Edelberg on a passenger list as Mottel
Edelberg. What is the relationship between the names Max and Mottel?
Max - Marks - Mottel - Moshe - Moske - Meske - Motka
are names for one and the same persons found in various sources and given
to us >from relatives ....


Likewise we have Mordechai and Marcus and Morduch as name for one person.

One's name was Anna, the other Hannah, who my aunt says they called
Hasha.
Anna and Hannah are often used intermittently.

I haven't found any trace of Hannah/Hasha, but I have found evidence
of Anna, including her marriage license and SS# application. Anna married
Kalman Wexstein (Weckstein). Hannah is supposed to have married someone
named Winston. You can see my confusion since the names are so similar,
though my next thought is that perhaps Winston may have been Weinstein.
Further confusion is added because I can't find the supposed children of
Hannah, but have found some of the children of Anna. Does it seem likely
that Hannah and Anna may be the same person and where does the name Hasha
come from?
Yes that could very well be so.

But keep looking anyway ;))

We had a Yehuda and a Yedidia which eventually was found to be one and the
same person but aka Shalom Yedidia, Yedid and Salomon! (In sources in
Latvia and England).

best regards



--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Mottel/Max and Anna/Hasha/Hannah #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

At 09:06 27-01-99 -0800, you wrote:
I found my g-grandfather Max Edelberg on a passenger list as Mottel
Edelberg. What is the relationship between the names Max and Mottel?
Max - Marks - Mottel - Moshe - Moske - Meske - Motka
are names for one and the same persons found in various sources and given
to us >from relatives ....


Likewise we have Mordechai and Marcus and Morduch as name for one person.

One's name was Anna, the other Hannah, who my aunt says they called
Hasha.
Anna and Hannah are often used intermittently.

I haven't found any trace of Hannah/Hasha, but I have found evidence
of Anna, including her marriage license and SS# application. Anna married
Kalman Wexstein (Weckstein). Hannah is supposed to have married someone
named Winston. You can see my confusion since the names are so similar,
though my next thought is that perhaps Winston may have been Weinstein.
Further confusion is added because I can't find the supposed children of
Hannah, but have found some of the children of Anna. Does it seem likely
that Hannah and Anna may be the same person and where does the name Hasha
come from?
Yes that could very well be so.

But keep looking anyway ;))

We had a Yehuda and a Yedidia which eventually was found to be one and the
same person but aka Shalom Yedidia, Yedid and Salomon! (In sources in
Latvia and England).

best regards



--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@...


Slonim Jews #belarus

Lsfolks@...
 

I am reading the "Destruction of Slonim Jewry," which mentions the names of
many of the people and how they were killed. If any of you have Slonim roots
you may find this interesting. I had hoped to find mention of my relatives,
but no luck,

Francyne L. Trackman
Lsfolks@...

Researching LASHINSKI or LISHINSKY >from Slonim, CHERNETSKY, ZINGHOUSE(Singer)
from Moghilev or Siberia
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Perhaps someone who is researching families >from
Slonim would be willing to extract the names >from the index along with
the page numbers so we can put the list on the Belarus SIG website.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Slonim Jews #belarus

Lsfolks@...
 

I am reading the "Destruction of Slonim Jewry," which mentions the names of
many of the people and how they were killed. If any of you have Slonim roots
you may find this interesting. I had hoped to find mention of my relatives,
but no luck,

Francyne L. Trackman
Lsfolks@...

Researching LASHINSKI or LISHINSKY >from Slonim, CHERNETSKY, ZINGHOUSE(Singer)
from Moghilev or Siberia
MODERATOR'S NOTE: Perhaps someone who is researching families >from
Slonim would be willing to extract the names >from the index along with
the page numbers so we can put the list on the Belarus SIG website.


"shnayer" #belarus

Sheldon Clare <clare+@...>
 

Shnayer is also a Yiddish corruption of Samuel.

Sheldon Clare
<clare+@...>


Belarus SIG #Belarus "shnayer" #belarus

Sheldon Clare <clare+@...>
 

Shnayer is also a Yiddish corruption of Samuel.

Sheldon Clare
<clare+@...>


Canadian ship manifests #general

Lawrence S Freund <GLORY1@...>
 

I've recently examined lists of Passenger Ship Manifest microfilms for
entries to Canada via Quebec (City). There is one list for microfilms
entitled "Ships' Manifests, Quebec" and another entitled "Manifest
Indexes." Is the information on the two different sets of microfilms the
same or is one more accurate or more complete than the other (assuming the
time span is the same)? The indexed lists seem easier to use ... but in
this game, at least, easier is not always better.

Larry Freund
Port Washington, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Canadian ship manifests #general

Lawrence S Freund <GLORY1@...>
 

I've recently examined lists of Passenger Ship Manifest microfilms for
entries to Canada via Quebec (City). There is one list for microfilms
entitled "Ships' Manifests, Quebec" and another entitled "Manifest
Indexes." Is the information on the two different sets of microfilms the
same or is one more accurate or more complete than the other (assuming the
time span is the same)? The indexed lists seem easier to use ... but in
this game, at least, easier is not always better.

Larry Freund
Port Washington, NY