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Obituary collection at the Hungarian National Library #hungary

Peter S. Spiro <peter.spiro@...>
 

There have been a couple of postings recently about this collection of
800,000 obituaries >from all over Hungary. I had a look at this
collection last summer, and I should point out that people should not
get their hopes up about it.

These are not obituaries as we know them in North America (e.g., a
newspaper notice that often gives biographical and family information
about a person). Instead, they are fancy printed invitations to a
funeral, often with black crepe borders.

They are not catalogued, but instead are kept in folders arranged by
last name and century of death. I spent about an hour going through the
ones for the name Fischer. I did not find any that belonged to my
relatives (I guess they were not sufficiently haut bourgeois to go in
for these). I did see some for Jewish deceased, but they would have
been less practical for Jews, given the custom of quick burial. From
the ones I saw, I do not think there is a low probability of a
genealogist finding much that is useful. They mostly just contained the
times and place of the funeral, with little else.
--

| Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada |
| Visit my homepage at: |
| http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ |


Hungary SIG #Hungary Obituary collection at the Hungarian National Library #hungary

Peter S. Spiro <peter.spiro@...>
 

There have been a couple of postings recently about this collection of
800,000 obituaries >from all over Hungary. I had a look at this
collection last summer, and I should point out that people should not
get their hopes up about it.

These are not obituaries as we know them in North America (e.g., a
newspaper notice that often gives biographical and family information
about a person). Instead, they are fancy printed invitations to a
funeral, often with black crepe borders.

They are not catalogued, but instead are kept in folders arranged by
last name and century of death. I spent about an hour going through the
ones for the name Fischer. I did not find any that belonged to my
relatives (I guess they were not sufficiently haut bourgeois to go in
for these). I did see some for Jewish deceased, but they would have
been less practical for Jews, given the custom of quick burial. From
the ones I saw, I do not think there is a low probability of a
genealogist finding much that is useful. They mostly just contained the
times and place of the funeral, with little else.
--

| Peter Spiro ----- Toronto, Canada |
| Visit my homepage at: |
| http://webhome.idirect.com/~spirop/ |


Message to Gabriela P. Svatos #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

The following message keeps bouncing back, so let me post it for the group.

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:11:38 +0100 (MET DST)
From: Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
To: "Gabriela P. Svatos" <gsvatos@...>
Subject: Re: Survivor Lists

"Gabriela P. Svatos" <gsvatos@...> 1999.01.21. 15:03:30
-5h-kor irta:

This morning I photocopied some survivor lists for various camps >from
WWII. Usually they list the name, age or year of birth, birthplace, and
sometimes the spouses name or occupation. The lists are:

For lookups, please e-mail me privately.
Dear Gabriela,

Thank you for your kind offer, though I don't want to overburden you!

I would appreciate if you could check the following names:

Researching: WURM, HOLLANDER, CUCAK, PURJESZ, BISCHITZ,
NOTHDURFT

Thanks and Shabbat Shalom!

Gyorgy Ujlaki, Budapest, Hungary

ujlaki.gyorgy@..., ujlaki_gyorgy@...


Hungary SIG #Hungary Message to Gabriela P. Svatos #hungary

Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
 

The following message keeps bouncing back, so let me post it for the group.

Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 18:11:38 +0100 (MET DST)
From: Ujlaki Gyorgy <ujlaki.gyorgy@...>
To: "Gabriela P. Svatos" <gsvatos@...>
Subject: Re: Survivor Lists

"Gabriela P. Svatos" <gsvatos@...> 1999.01.21. 15:03:30
-5h-kor irta:

This morning I photocopied some survivor lists for various camps >from
WWII. Usually they list the name, age or year of birth, birthplace, and
sometimes the spouses name or occupation. The lists are:

For lookups, please e-mail me privately.
Dear Gabriela,

Thank you for your kind offer, though I don't want to overburden you!

I would appreciate if you could check the following names:

Researching: WURM, HOLLANDER, CUCAK, PURJESZ, BISCHITZ,
NOTHDURFT

Thanks and Shabbat Shalom!

Gyorgy Ujlaki, Budapest, Hungary

ujlaki.gyorgy@..., ujlaki_gyorgy@...


Re: Wall of Honor update #hungary

Marc and/or Laura Polster <mpolster@...>
 

The webpage Robert mentions is linked to the H-SIG website. Click here:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/GENERAL.htm

Marc Polster,
H-SIG Webmaster

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@...>
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:02 PM
Subject: Wall of Honor update


Good news. The Ellis Island Wall of Honor search engine now allows for
searches by country of origin. In the 'country of origin' field, you can
type a town name too, though most donors did not give specific towns.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Wall of Honor update #hungary

Marc and/or Laura Polster <mpolster@...>
 

The webpage Robert mentions is linked to the H-SIG website. Click here:

http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/GENERAL.htm

Marc Polster,
H-SIG Webmaster

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
To: Hungarian SIG <h-sig@...>
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 7:02 PM
Subject: Wall of Honor update


Good news. The Ellis Island Wall of Honor search engine now allows for
searches by country of origin. In the 'country of origin' field, you can
type a town name too, though most donors did not give specific towns.


Re: Is Kindred Konnections mining our family trees? #latvia

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Hi all,

Further to my posting about the above topic, and in response to several
persons who have posted about this topic or sent me an e-mail about it,
I want to make the following observations. These is based on a posting
by Leigh Compton, "Getting More for Less", which was submitted to the
RootsWeb Review. I apologize in advance for the length of this
posting, but I think that an important point needs to be made.

Under certain circumstances, it is possible for someone (or
"something") visiting your family tree web site, to obtain quite easily
a list of all of the files contained on that site, and then select one
or more of them to view in his browser. This means that, even if the
preparer of the web site makes some files "hidden", that is, files that
are not accessed by the normal site html software, the "hidden" files
can never-the-less be read by an intelligent outsider intent on
exposing secret material on the site.

Thus, a spider could obtain the file listing, check for those which
have the extension GED (which identifies a GEDCOM file), view that
file, and then use "Save as" to download the entire GEDCOM file to his
own computer -- in effect, mining your family tree! Scary, isn't it?

And if the webmaster of the web site has gone even farther, and
provided access to the GEDCOM files directly through other html
software, it is even easier for outsiders to download copies of those files.

Here is what Leigh Compton had to say:

---------------------------------------
"You can help to reduce the workload on the RootsWeb servers by
always including the full URL for your home page in links.

Assume that your home page is "index.html" and your RootsWeb
account is txpecos. Links to this page can be written as any of
the following:

1. <a href=3D"http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpecos/index.html">Pecos
County</a>

2. <a href=3D"http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpecos/">Pecos County</a>

3. <a href=3D"http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpecos">Pecos County</a>

A click on any of these hyperlinks will cause your home page to
be sent to the browser. There is, however, more work to be done
by the server whenever the incomplete version #3 is used.

When the full URL as in #1 is received by the Web server, all
that it has to do is read the index.html file >from the disks and
send it to the browser. If you have coded the URL as in #2, with
a slash on the end, the server notices that you have asked for a
directory rather than a particular file. So, the server looks at
its configuration file to determine which file in the txpecos
directory should be used (on RootsWeb both "index.html" and
"index.htm" are used as defaults). Then it retrieves the default
file (if you have one!) and transmits it to your browser. URL #2
makes the server do a very little bit more work, but it is almost
insignificant.

In case #3, however, the URL ends in "~txpecos" but has no
trailing slash. The server isn't sure how to interpret this, so
instead of retrieving the index.html Web page, it sends back a
little message to your browser that says "That doesn't really
make sense: did you mean `~txpecos/' with a slash?" Your browser
gets that message and sends back a new, correctly formed URL.
Using this kind of URL means that your browser has to send an
extra Web command across the network, and may even need to
reconnect to the Web server. That slows you down a lot and
increases the load on RootsWeb's systems slightly.

By using URL #1 or #2 for your home page, you are helping to
reduce the processing needed to view a Web page.

Using "index.html" or "index.htm" as your home page is a good
idea because it permits you to use URL #2, which is easier for
other people to remember. If someone uses URL #2 or #3 to view
your Web site, and you don't have "index.html" or "index.htm" in
your public_html directory, the server will display a listing of
all the available files in your directory. We strongly recommend
that you create a file in your public_html directory named
index.html or index.htm. You don't have to use this as your home
page, but it will prevent someone >from browsing through all of
your files."
------------------------------

Thus, all webmasters of family tree sites should always give the home
page file (the first file which is loaded when first visiting the site)
the name "index.html" or "index.htm". This will prevent the
presentation to the visitor of a list of all files on the site.

I believe it behooves all of us who have posted their family trees to a
web site, or who are thinking of doing so, to consider these factors,
particularly if we are concerned about the security of our genealogical
information.

Regards,

Jerry=20

--
Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel=A0=A0=A0 E-mail: jerry@...
Researching:
=A0 AIZIKOWITZ, MARCUS, MICHELOVICH, MIRVIS Baisogala/Datnuva Lithuania
=A0 ESTERSON, NORINSKY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
Berdichev=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ukraine
=A0 KRETZMER, SWEETGALL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Zhaimel/Birzai=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0 Lithuania
=A0 HELL, WAGENHEIM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
Riga/Bauske=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Latvia
Visit the ESRA web site:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
<http://www.esra.org.il/>=20


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: Is Kindred Konnections mining our family trees? #latvia

Prof. G. L. Esterson <jerry@...>
 

Hi all,

Further to my posting about the above topic, and in response to several
persons who have posted about this topic or sent me an e-mail about it,
I want to make the following observations. These is based on a posting
by Leigh Compton, "Getting More for Less", which was submitted to the
RootsWeb Review. I apologize in advance for the length of this
posting, but I think that an important point needs to be made.

Under certain circumstances, it is possible for someone (or
"something") visiting your family tree web site, to obtain quite easily
a list of all of the files contained on that site, and then select one
or more of them to view in his browser. This means that, even if the
preparer of the web site makes some files "hidden", that is, files that
are not accessed by the normal site html software, the "hidden" files
can never-the-less be read by an intelligent outsider intent on
exposing secret material on the site.

Thus, a spider could obtain the file listing, check for those which
have the extension GED (which identifies a GEDCOM file), view that
file, and then use "Save as" to download the entire GEDCOM file to his
own computer -- in effect, mining your family tree! Scary, isn't it?

And if the webmaster of the web site has gone even farther, and
provided access to the GEDCOM files directly through other html
software, it is even easier for outsiders to download copies of those files.

Here is what Leigh Compton had to say:

---------------------------------------
"You can help to reduce the workload on the RootsWeb servers by
always including the full URL for your home page in links.

Assume that your home page is "index.html" and your RootsWeb
account is txpecos. Links to this page can be written as any of
the following:

1. <a href=3D"http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpecos/index.html">Pecos
County</a>

2. <a href=3D"http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpecos/">Pecos County</a>

3. <a href=3D"http://www.rootsweb.com/~txpecos">Pecos County</a>

A click on any of these hyperlinks will cause your home page to
be sent to the browser. There is, however, more work to be done
by the server whenever the incomplete version #3 is used.

When the full URL as in #1 is received by the Web server, all
that it has to do is read the index.html file >from the disks and
send it to the browser. If you have coded the URL as in #2, with
a slash on the end, the server notices that you have asked for a
directory rather than a particular file. So, the server looks at
its configuration file to determine which file in the txpecos
directory should be used (on RootsWeb both "index.html" and
"index.htm" are used as defaults). Then it retrieves the default
file (if you have one!) and transmits it to your browser. URL #2
makes the server do a very little bit more work, but it is almost
insignificant.

In case #3, however, the URL ends in "~txpecos" but has no
trailing slash. The server isn't sure how to interpret this, so
instead of retrieving the index.html Web page, it sends back a
little message to your browser that says "That doesn't really
make sense: did you mean `~txpecos/' with a slash?" Your browser
gets that message and sends back a new, correctly formed URL.
Using this kind of URL means that your browser has to send an
extra Web command across the network, and may even need to
reconnect to the Web server. That slows you down a lot and
increases the load on RootsWeb's systems slightly.

By using URL #1 or #2 for your home page, you are helping to
reduce the processing needed to view a Web page.

Using "index.html" or "index.htm" as your home page is a good
idea because it permits you to use URL #2, which is easier for
other people to remember. If someone uses URL #2 or #3 to view
your Web site, and you don't have "index.html" or "index.htm" in
your public_html directory, the server will display a listing of
all the available files in your directory. We strongly recommend
that you create a file in your public_html directory named
index.html or index.htm. You don't have to use this as your home
page, but it will prevent someone >from browsing through all of
your files."
------------------------------

Thus, all webmasters of family tree sites should always give the home
page file (the first file which is loaded when first visiting the site)
the name "index.html" or "index.htm". This will prevent the
presentation to the visitor of a list of all files on the site.

I believe it behooves all of us who have posted their family trees to a
web site, or who are thinking of doing so, to consider these factors,
particularly if we are concerned about the security of our genealogical
information.

Regards,

Jerry=20

--
Prof. G. L. Esterson, Ra'anana, Israel=A0=A0=A0 E-mail: jerry@...
Researching:
=A0 AIZIKOWITZ, MARCUS, MICHELOVICH, MIRVIS Baisogala/Datnuva Lithuania
=A0 ESTERSON, NORINSKY=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
Berdichev=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Ukraine
=A0 KRETZMER, SWEETGALL=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Zhaimel/Birzai=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0 Lithuania
=A0 HELL, WAGENHEIM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
Riga/Bauske=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Latvia
Visit the ESRA web site:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
<http://www.esra.org.il/>=20


Nissel NISSEL? #general

Joe Barcomb & Julie Waters-Barcomb <julie@...>
 

Hello all,

An elderly cousin jsut told me that our gggm's name was Nissel NISSEL. Is
this a possiblity? Could "Nissel" have been a given name as well as a
surname? Any thoughts on this?

Julie waters-Barcomb

researching ROSENZWEIG (Lodz)
NISSEL (Lodz)
KOHNER (Bohemia)


Searching: Surname DON #general

Evrotz@...
 

Looking for Michael DON, son of Louis and Ella DON, >from the Connecticut
area, for a GOLDBERG family reunion in summer of 2000.

Are there any descendants of Yetta GOLDBERG and Max DON out there?

Evelyn Goldberg Rotz
Coconut Creek, Fl.
Evrotz@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Nissel NISSEL? #general

Joe Barcomb & Julie Waters-Barcomb <julie@...>
 

Hello all,

An elderly cousin jsut told me that our gggm's name was Nissel NISSEL. Is
this a possiblity? Could "Nissel" have been a given name as well as a
surname? Any thoughts on this?

Julie waters-Barcomb

researching ROSENZWEIG (Lodz)
NISSEL (Lodz)
KOHNER (Bohemia)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Surname DON #general

Evrotz@...
 

Looking for Michael DON, son of Louis and Ella DON, >from the Connecticut
area, for a GOLDBERG family reunion in summer of 2000.

Are there any descendants of Yetta GOLDBERG and Max DON out there?

Evelyn Goldberg Rotz
Coconut Creek, Fl.
Evrotz@...


Sugihara Visas #general

ddworski@...
 

Would a single visa (issued to a man) have been applicable to his wife
and family if all were traveling together? A relative was stunned when
she recently found her father's name listed in the Sugihara database
accessible through JewishGen. Only mystery is that her mother's name
does not appear on the list. Her parents definitely traveled together,
and I thought perhaps one visa might have been sufficient for both. If
anyone can help resolve this mystery, please respond privately.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Sugihara Visas #general

ddworski@...
 

Would a single visa (issued to a man) have been applicable to his wife
and family if all were traveling together? A relative was stunned when
she recently found her father's name listed in the Sugihara database
accessible through JewishGen. Only mystery is that her mother's name
does not appear on the list. Her parents definitely traveled together,
and I thought perhaps one visa might have been sufficient for both. If
anyone can help resolve this mystery, please respond privately.

Deborah Dworski
Arlington, Virginia U.S.A.


What Was There in 1891? #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Thanks to a new friend in Philly, I have learned that my mgggparents
were married in Philadelphia in May 1891. According to the document, the
ceremony took place at 515 S. 7th Street, Phila., PA. Officiating at
the ceremony were Rabbi Black (or Bloch) and Rev. A.H. Boyle (who
apparently performed the ceremony).

FIRST: What was located at 515 S. 7th St. in May 1891? Was it a
synagogue? church? catering hall?

SECOND, and more puzzling: Who was Rev. A.H. Boyle, and why would he
have performed a marriage ceremony for two VERY Jewish people? Why does
the certificate note, in particular, that it was Rev. Boyle who
performed the ceremony? Why him and not Rabbi Black/Bloch?

The family of the bride was a religious family. She was given in
marriage by her uncle (her father's brother) with whom she lived when
she came to America. Her family seems to have originated somewhere in
Lavtia. The name UPA or APA, is the name of the town that comes up
everytime their "home in the old country" was ever mentioned. Unlike
many women of her generation, Sarah could read, write, and speak German,
Yiddish, and English. Her own parents didn't come to America until
1903.

We know almost nothing of the groom's background. My mother recalls her
father's father quite well. He was about 5'8" tall, with fiery
strawberry blond hair and deeply blue eyes. Mom said that she also was
always aware of his very "straight" posture (almost like a soldier
standing at attention). He spoke, read, and wrote in German, Yiddish,
and English.

I would appreciate any and all information and points of view in
response to my specific questions.

Thanks, in advance,
(Mrs.) Ricki L. Zunk
Kendall, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What Was There in 1891? #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Thanks to a new friend in Philly, I have learned that my mgggparents
were married in Philadelphia in May 1891. According to the document, the
ceremony took place at 515 S. 7th Street, Phila., PA. Officiating at
the ceremony were Rabbi Black (or Bloch) and Rev. A.H. Boyle (who
apparently performed the ceremony).

FIRST: What was located at 515 S. 7th St. in May 1891? Was it a
synagogue? church? catering hall?

SECOND, and more puzzling: Who was Rev. A.H. Boyle, and why would he
have performed a marriage ceremony for two VERY Jewish people? Why does
the certificate note, in particular, that it was Rev. Boyle who
performed the ceremony? Why him and not Rabbi Black/Bloch?

The family of the bride was a religious family. She was given in
marriage by her uncle (her father's brother) with whom she lived when
she came to America. Her family seems to have originated somewhere in
Lavtia. The name UPA or APA, is the name of the town that comes up
everytime their "home in the old country" was ever mentioned. Unlike
many women of her generation, Sarah could read, write, and speak German,
Yiddish, and English. Her own parents didn't come to America until
1903.

We know almost nothing of the groom's background. My mother recalls her
father's father quite well. He was about 5'8" tall, with fiery
strawberry blond hair and deeply blue eyes. Mom said that she also was
always aware of his very "straight" posture (almost like a soldier
standing at attention). He spoke, read, and wrote in German, Yiddish,
and English.

I would appreciate any and all information and points of view in
response to my specific questions.

Thanks, in advance,
(Mrs.) Ricki L. Zunk
Kendall, FL


VA records #general

Arlene Weiss <Balbec@...>
 

I received my father's VA records and was amazed at the amount of valuable
information that they contained. My father served in WWI and I received
records which spaned my father's whole life, including his death
certificate. I learned a lot including his age when he came to this
country, something I had not been able to determine until now. If you have
a VA file number, you can request copies of records from: Department of
Veterans Affairs, 536 South Clark Street, Chicago, IL 60680. There is no
charge.

Arlene Swartzberg Weiss
Chicago


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen VA records #general

Arlene Weiss <Balbec@...>
 

I received my father's VA records and was amazed at the amount of valuable
information that they contained. My father served in WWI and I received
records which spaned my father's whole life, including his death
certificate. I learned a lot including his age when he came to this
country, something I had not been able to determine until now. If you have
a VA file number, you can request copies of records from: Department of
Veterans Affairs, 536 South Clark Street, Chicago, IL 60680. There is no
charge.

Arlene Swartzberg Weiss
Chicago


Frumkin seal online #general

Guillermo Steinberg <guillo@...>
 

Hello dear people,
some time ago I
asked for some explanation about a crown in my
great-grandfather's sealing wax stamp. You might want to take a
look at it in Mr. Louis Frydman's Frumkin Website, who kindly
hosted my Frumkin files as well as these images of the seal. The
address is: <www.frumkin.org.il> Then click on "Other Frumkins"
to see my files and the seal. Please let me know what do you
think. Many thanks,
Guillermo Steinberg
Firenze, Italia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Frumkin seal online #general

Guillermo Steinberg <guillo@...>
 

Hello dear people,
some time ago I
asked for some explanation about a crown in my
great-grandfather's sealing wax stamp. You might want to take a
look at it in Mr. Louis Frydman's Frumkin Website, who kindly
hosted my Frumkin files as well as these images of the seal. The
address is: <www.frumkin.org.il> Then click on "Other Frumkins"
to see my files and the seal. Please let me know what do you
think. Many thanks,
Guillermo Steinberg
Firenze, Italia