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help in cleveland and/or detroit death #general

Rosinsky Family <rosinskyb@...>
 

b"H
My gGrandfather Charles?David?Peter? Starkman was killed in a work
accident in Cleveland, Ohio in 1910, he was about age 47 . His young
wife Minnie, son Noach (George) b.1905 Iasi, Rom. and daughter Ruchel
Leah (Rose) b. 11/21/07 in Detroit
were living in Detroit at the time of the accident. It is believed that
he was buried in one of the two places. The family afterwards moved back
to NYC and eventually no one even knows his exact name. I would LOVE to
find where he is buried and eventually his father's name, at least, from
the tombstone. I live in Israel and would be willing to trade research
here for someone to help me out in one/both of those US cities.
Many thanks,
Bernard Rosinsky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen help in cleveland and/or detroit death #general

Rosinsky Family <rosinskyb@...>
 

b"H
My gGrandfather Charles?David?Peter? Starkman was killed in a work
accident in Cleveland, Ohio in 1910, he was about age 47 . His young
wife Minnie, son Noach (George) b.1905 Iasi, Rom. and daughter Ruchel
Leah (Rose) b. 11/21/07 in Detroit
were living in Detroit at the time of the accident. It is believed that
he was buried in one of the two places. The family afterwards moved back
to NYC and eventually no one even knows his exact name. I would LOVE to
find where he is buried and eventually his father's name, at least, from
the tombstone. I live in Israel and would be willing to trade research
here for someone to help me out in one/both of those US cities.
Many thanks,
Bernard Rosinsky


Re: Forename Isser #general

Victor Stone <victor.stone@...>
 

Could be Asher (tribe of) also.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Forename Isser #general

Victor Stone <victor.stone@...>
 

Could be Asher (tribe of) also.


Re: The possibility of a huge database of Latvian Jews! #latvia

Abraham Lenhoff <lenhoff@...>
 

Marion Werle has raised several important and valid points regarding the
census microfilms. Few of the issues are clearcut, and different people
are likely to make different decisions given the same facts, so I'd like
to add a bit more information to the mix.

The $3000 cost is unquestionably high for most of us as individuals, and
following through with a transcription effort will add to the cost.
However, we have now obtained a remarkable commitment to have ALL the
rolls copied onto paper without charge, which is really an enormous
commitment of time, effort and cost. The transcription cost is at the
Mormon libraries would be a major expense. Beyond the $3.25 a roll
ordering charge, the films may not be removed >from the premises, and
making paper copies there costs 25c a page. This raises the issue of how
many pages are involved. The detailed index that Paul Berkay got >from the
Mormons and posted recently suggests that thousands of pages are relevant
to us. The specifically Jewish registers are pretty lengthy, and there
are Jewish names diluted among the general population in other records
too. I have a book >from the Herder Institute that provides an overview of
Latvian census records in general and these microfilms in particular.
Separate Jewish registers were not prepared for all records. For
instance, the house lists that I have seen for Goldingen have Jews and
Gentiles all intermixed. Jewish records certainly exist in many of the
large towns, but in 1797 only 37% of the Jews lived in the towns, and I
think that the rural records are probably less clearly separated.

All said, I have no idea exactly how many pages we would need to copy, and
thus no idea whether using the Mormon films or buying our own would be
cheaper. If anything, I would be inclined to agree with Marion that the
Mormon option might be cheaper. However, I don't think that our decision
should be based purely on cost, for a few reasons. Two minor ones are that
the films we can buy >from Herder are apparently organized better than the
Mormon ones, and that we would have easier access to the films if we
controlled them ourselves. The more compelling reasons, IMO, are more
emotional. This is a unique set of records, and the opportunity for us to
get them is at least unusual and perhaps unique. The records are a very
detailed listing of the community >from which all of us are descended, which
was by many accounts quite distinctive despite being relatively small within
eastern European Jewry. We can indeed reconstruct much of the content from
the Mormon films, but it wouldn't provide the full picture. While we will
presumably always be able to peruse the Mormon films, a very important
consideration is that the Mormon films are not accessible in Israel. Buying
the films and finding a principal repository for them in Israel would be a
fine legacy for the SIG members.

The total cost is a pretty big chunk of money. However, many of us have
spent hundreds of dollars on getting information on our families from
archives, genealogists, etc., and some will be willing to contribute to
this project as well; I will definitely contribute, and encourage others
to do so if possible as well. If there are not enough pledges to proceed,
then so be it, but even then perhaps the discussion will have stimulated
more of us to get involved with SIG projects such as this one and those
that Marion mentioned. If mea culpas are in order, I have been on the
sidelines myself for all of these. Marion is certainly correct that
indexing and transcription efforts require an enormous amount of
organization, and this is something that we will have to deal with whether
or not we go through with this purchase.


Latvia SIG #Latvia RE: The possibility of a huge database of Latvian Jews! #latvia

Abraham Lenhoff <lenhoff@...>
 

Marion Werle has raised several important and valid points regarding the
census microfilms. Few of the issues are clearcut, and different people
are likely to make different decisions given the same facts, so I'd like
to add a bit more information to the mix.

The $3000 cost is unquestionably high for most of us as individuals, and
following through with a transcription effort will add to the cost.
However, we have now obtained a remarkable commitment to have ALL the
rolls copied onto paper without charge, which is really an enormous
commitment of time, effort and cost. The transcription cost is at the
Mormon libraries would be a major expense. Beyond the $3.25 a roll
ordering charge, the films may not be removed >from the premises, and
making paper copies there costs 25c a page. This raises the issue of how
many pages are involved. The detailed index that Paul Berkay got >from the
Mormons and posted recently suggests that thousands of pages are relevant
to us. The specifically Jewish registers are pretty lengthy, and there
are Jewish names diluted among the general population in other records
too. I have a book >from the Herder Institute that provides an overview of
Latvian census records in general and these microfilms in particular.
Separate Jewish registers were not prepared for all records. For
instance, the house lists that I have seen for Goldingen have Jews and
Gentiles all intermixed. Jewish records certainly exist in many of the
large towns, but in 1797 only 37% of the Jews lived in the towns, and I
think that the rural records are probably less clearly separated.

All said, I have no idea exactly how many pages we would need to copy, and
thus no idea whether using the Mormon films or buying our own would be
cheaper. If anything, I would be inclined to agree with Marion that the
Mormon option might be cheaper. However, I don't think that our decision
should be based purely on cost, for a few reasons. Two minor ones are that
the films we can buy >from Herder are apparently organized better than the
Mormon ones, and that we would have easier access to the films if we
controlled them ourselves. The more compelling reasons, IMO, are more
emotional. This is a unique set of records, and the opportunity for us to
get them is at least unusual and perhaps unique. The records are a very
detailed listing of the community >from which all of us are descended, which
was by many accounts quite distinctive despite being relatively small within
eastern European Jewry. We can indeed reconstruct much of the content from
the Mormon films, but it wouldn't provide the full picture. While we will
presumably always be able to peruse the Mormon films, a very important
consideration is that the Mormon films are not accessible in Israel. Buying
the films and finding a principal repository for them in Israel would be a
fine legacy for the SIG members.

The total cost is a pretty big chunk of money. However, many of us have
spent hundreds of dollars on getting information on our families from
archives, genealogists, etc., and some will be willing to contribute to
this project as well; I will definitely contribute, and encourage others
to do so if possible as well. If there are not enough pledges to proceed,
then so be it, but even then perhaps the discussion will have stimulated
more of us to get involved with SIG projects such as this one and those
that Marion mentioned. If mea culpas are in order, I have been on the
sidelines myself for all of these. Marion is certainly correct that
indexing and transcription efforts require an enormous amount of
organization, and this is something that we will have to deal with whether
or not we go through with this purchase.


Lyakhovichi #belarus

Enquin <enquinp@...>
 

Dear somebody,


I was born in Argentina and now I am living in France. My grandfather
(Naum Enquin, but originaly Frumkin)arrived in Argentina in 1889 from
Rusia and was born in Lajavitch, probably Lyakhoviche. When I look in
the shtetek seeker I find 3 Lyakhoviche and 7 Lyakhovichi, all of them
around Minsk. Can somebody tell me why there are so many towns with the
same name and how can I find which one is the one where my grandfather
was born?

Thank you very much

Philippe Enquin


Re: Polotsker Society #belarus

Hilmis@...
 

I live near Cedar Park Cemetery and have successfully researched family
burials there. The people were very helpful. The phone number is
201-262-1100.
Leslie Moser
Hillsdale, NJ
Hilmis@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Lyakhovichi #belarus

Enquin <enquinp@...>
 

Dear somebody,


I was born in Argentina and now I am living in France. My grandfather
(Naum Enquin, but originaly Frumkin)arrived in Argentina in 1889 from
Rusia and was born in Lajavitch, probably Lyakhoviche. When I look in
the shtetek seeker I find 3 Lyakhoviche and 7 Lyakhovichi, all of them
around Minsk. Can somebody tell me why there are so many towns with the
same name and how can I find which one is the one where my grandfather
was born?

Thank you very much

Philippe Enquin


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Polotsker Society #belarus

Hilmis@...
 

I live near Cedar Park Cemetery and have successfully researched family
burials there. The people were very helpful. The phone number is
201-262-1100.
Leslie Moser
Hillsdale, NJ
Hilmis@...


Re: Polotsker Society #belarus

Stephen H. Aidlin <saidlin@...>
 

I am told that me Grandfather's name was Westerman but changed to Baker.

He was born in Lithiania but as a child moved with his gfamily to
England. The family settled in Sheffield-Leeds. His nephew, Percy
Baker, was on the plane that collided on the ground with another plane
Tenerife about 22 years ago.

Logan- our paths are almost intertwining.

Steve

LOGAN M LOCKABEY wrote:

I am most anxious to find out if any of my relatives are buried there. A
few of the surnames that I am researching are: BLOCKOFF,
GREENBLATT, ALUF, SLAVIN, LEVINSON, HOLTZ, AZMIER, WESTERMAN.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Polotsker Society #belarus

Stephen H. Aidlin <saidlin@...>
 

I am told that me Grandfather's name was Westerman but changed to Baker.

He was born in Lithiania but as a child moved with his gfamily to
England. The family settled in Sheffield-Leeds. His nephew, Percy
Baker, was on the plane that collided on the ground with another plane
Tenerife about 22 years ago.

Logan- our paths are almost intertwining.

Steve

LOGAN M LOCKABEY wrote:

I am most anxious to find out if any of my relatives are buried there. A
few of the surnames that I am researching are: BLOCKOFF,
GREENBLATT, ALUF, SLAVIN, LEVINSON, HOLTZ, AZMIER, WESTERMAN.


Re: Polotsker Society #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Hi again Logan,

At 10:22 31-01-99 -0800, you wrote:
... A few of the surnames that I am researching are: BLOCKOFF, GREENBLATT,
ALUF, S>LAVIN, LEVINSON, HOLTZ, AZMIER, WESTERMAN.

I have the following:

Helen SLAVIN, died before 1945?
married to Julius (Judel Yedidov) PAIKIN born ca. 1880 in Rezekne, Latvia,
emigrated ca. 1903 to the USA, died after 1945, son of Yedid Wulfov PAIKIN
(1848-1909) and Elke LEIZEROVNA (1849-after 1897)
Four known children: Sophie, Elsie, Solomon and David.

and

Esther Bessie (Bassel) GREENBLATT born ca. 1882, died 1960 in Canada,
married to Abraham PAIKIN born ca. 1886 in Szarkowszczyna (or Nowy Pohost),
Vitebsk gubernia, son of Joseph (Yussel) PAIKIN (circa 1860- ?)
Four Known Children: Harry, Sam, Wolfe and Stella

Do these Slavin and Greenblatt ring a bell? That would be great!

Best regards
--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@...


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Polotsker Society #belarus

Elsebeth Paikin
 

Hi again Logan,

At 10:22 31-01-99 -0800, you wrote:
... A few of the surnames that I am researching are: BLOCKOFF, GREENBLATT,
ALUF, S>LAVIN, LEVINSON, HOLTZ, AZMIER, WESTERMAN.

I have the following:

Helen SLAVIN, died before 1945?
married to Julius (Judel Yedidov) PAIKIN born ca. 1880 in Rezekne, Latvia,
emigrated ca. 1903 to the USA, died after 1945, son of Yedid Wulfov PAIKIN
(1848-1909) and Elke LEIZEROVNA (1849-after 1897)
Four known children: Sophie, Elsie, Solomon and David.

and

Esther Bessie (Bassel) GREENBLATT born ca. 1882, died 1960 in Canada,
married to Abraham PAIKIN born ca. 1886 in Szarkowszczyna (or Nowy Pohost),
Vitebsk gubernia, son of Joseph (Yussel) PAIKIN (circa 1860- ?)
Four Known Children: Harry, Sam, Wolfe and Stella

Do these Slavin and Greenblatt ring a bell? That would be great!

Best regards
--
Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark,
e-mail: elsebeth@...


Re: Movie on Nagyvarad during the Holocaust #hungary

Gzsuzsi@...
 

Mindy,

Here is the info:

European Video Distributors
2402 W. Olive Ave.
Burbank, CA 91506
(818) 848-5902
(888) 423-6752 (for orders only)
E-mail: hatv@...

The owner and my contact person is Mr. Bunyik. You may want to ask for their
Hungarian Film Catalog. He sent me one in Hungarian, but they may also have
it in English - doesn't hurt to ask. They only sell cassettes. "Senkifoldje"
sells for $24.95 and they have those special deals of buy 2 get one free...
They also have other Hungarian Jewish theme movies, such as "The Revolt of
Job", "Rivermen" (Tutajosok) - about the 1882 trial of Rutenian Jews... Some
may be available subtitled, others not - as "Senkifoldje". I think they carry
nearly 500 titles, many of which are pre WWW II.

Susan Geroe

In a message dated 1/31/99 9:19:34 AM, MGS18@... writes:

<< Susan,

WOuld you post the name and contact information of the Hungarian video
library-I'd like to find out what titles they carry.

Mindy Soclof
>>


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Movie on Nagyvarad during the Holocaust #hungary

Gzsuzsi@...
 

Mindy,

Here is the info:

European Video Distributors
2402 W. Olive Ave.
Burbank, CA 91506
(818) 848-5902
(888) 423-6752 (for orders only)
E-mail: hatv@...

The owner and my contact person is Mr. Bunyik. You may want to ask for their
Hungarian Film Catalog. He sent me one in Hungarian, but they may also have
it in English - doesn't hurt to ask. They only sell cassettes. "Senkifoldje"
sells for $24.95 and they have those special deals of buy 2 get one free...
They also have other Hungarian Jewish theme movies, such as "The Revolt of
Job", "Rivermen" (Tutajosok) - about the 1882 trial of Rutenian Jews... Some
may be available subtitled, others not - as "Senkifoldje". I think they carry
nearly 500 titles, many of which are pre WWW II.

Susan Geroe

In a message dated 1/31/99 9:19:34 AM, MGS18@... writes:

<< Susan,

WOuld you post the name and contact information of the Hungarian video
library-I'd like to find out what titles they carry.

Mindy Soclof
>>


Re: I have a hit! #hungary

Lebn@...
 

In a message dated 1/31/99 7:12:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, uzidog@...
writes:

The correct spelling I believe is BOLYAI not Bolyi. This Gimnazium was on
Marko utca according to my husband George Bien who went there but did not
graduate >from there

Eleanor Bien.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: I have a hit! #hungary

Lebn@...
 

In a message dated 1/31/99 7:12:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, uzidog@...
writes:

The correct spelling I believe is BOLYAI not Bolyi. This Gimnazium was on
Marko utca according to my husband George Bien who went there but did not
graduate >from there

Eleanor Bien.


Re: A life story #hungary

CAPOHN@...
 

thank you for telling your story .....it affected me so.
A long and beautiful life to you and your family...carole pohn.(capohn)


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: A life story #hungary

CAPOHN@...
 

thank you for telling your story .....it affected me so.
A long and beautiful life to you and your family...carole pohn.(capohn)