I recently came across a reference to the Abazovka agricultural colony,
Balta uezd in an LDS microfilm. The ShtetlSeeker database lists two
Abazovkas that are far >from Balta (near Poltava).

Does anyone know where the Abazovka colony was and where I can find more
about it?

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

I recently came across a reference to the Abazovka agricultural colony,
Balta uezd in an LDS microfilm. The ShtetlSeeker database lists two
Abazovkas that are far >from Balta (near Poltava).

Does anyone know where the Abazovka colony was and where I can find more
about it?

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

Ellen Meyer questioned the value of writing to schools for
genealogical information because the schools were unwilling to
violate their alums' privacy.
I have no experience with that because I have always written
for information about people now dead, and I state in the letter
the date of the person's death and my relation to them. Even if
the person is still alive, a school might send you a photocopy of
a published yearbook or alumni reunion book. Federal law pro-
hibits the disclosure of a person's academic record without the
person's written consent.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
San Diego CA
lazer@acusd.edu

Ellen Meyer questioned the value of writing to schools for
genealogical information because the schools were unwilling to
violate their alums' privacy.
I have no experience with that because I have always written
for information about people now dead, and I state in the letter
the date of the person's death and my relation to them. Even if
the person is still alive, a school might send you a photocopy of
a published yearbook or alumni reunion book. Federal law pro-
hibits the disclosure of a person's academic record without the
person's written consent.
Bert
Herbert Lazerow
San Diego CA
lazer@acusd.edu

While searching through LDS microfilms of the Jewish community vital
records >from Simferopol, I found that a person's place of origin is often
a part of the record. For instance, a birth record in Simferopol will give
the parents' names and say the father is a townperson >from a place in
Kovno guberniya. Marriage and death records are similar.

Is this generally the actual birthplace of the individual or the most
recent residence before moving to the location where the record was made?
For instance, if someone was born in A, moved to B, and died in C, would
the death record list A or B?

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

While searching through LDS microfilms of the Jewish community vital
records >from Simferopol, I found that a person's place of origin is often
a part of the record. For instance, a birth record in Simferopol will give
the parents' names and say the father is a townperson >from a place in
Kovno guberniya. Marriage and death records are similar.

Is this generally the actual birthplace of the individual or the most
recent residence before moving to the location where the record was made?
For instance, if someone was born in A, moved to B, and died in C, would
the death record list A or B?

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu

Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa, Balta)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

In a message dated 99-02-16 19:50:39 EST, bobmar37@AOL.COM writes:

<< Family members came over >from Viteppes, Russia in the 1880s. Where is this
now and what is it called? >>

==Vitebsk?

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg

In a message dated 99-02-16 19:50:39 EST, bobmar37@AOL.COM writes:

<< Family members came over >from Viteppes, Russia in the 1880s. Where is this
now and what is it called? >>

==Vitebsk?

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg

There is now a JewishGen ShtetLink site for Lomza, Poland. It can be
accessed >from the ShtetLink home page for Poland
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/index.html#poland
or directly at http://www.erols.com/serapis/Lomza.htm
I welcome contributions that Landsleit and others may wish to make to
the page in the form of text (personal and family narratives etc.),
photographs, Links, etc.

Ted Hochstadt
Falls Church VA USA
serapis@erols.com

There is now a JewishGen ShtetLink site for Lomza, Poland. It can be
accessed >from the ShtetLink home page for Poland
http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetLinks/index.html#poland
or directly at http://www.erols.com/serapis/Lomza.htm
I welcome contributions that Landsleit and others may wish to make to
the page in the form of text (personal and family narratives etc.),
photographs, Links, etc.

Ted Hochstadt
Falls Church VA USA
serapis@erols.com

Meryl Persky wrote:

Also, everyone is dressed in
what appears to be, very fine clothing.....strange to me because I think
the family was very poor. I wonder if photography studios provided
clothing for their photo shoots?

It was common that the photo-studies provided fine clothing for the ones
who didn't had some themselves. This was not a common costume in Eastern
Europe, but also in Western Europe and probably the US too (which I know
nothing about). A reminder should also be said: even if a family was poor
they could very well have had one set of nice, or at least better, clothing
to use for special occations as marriages, funerals etc.

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden
adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Searching:
GOLDBERG: Lithuania; Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Stockholm, Sweden; KARSON:
Glasgow, Scotland; KATZEFF: Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Pärnu+Tallinn+Dorpat,
Estonia;Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen, Denmark; Glasgow,
Scotland;Boston, Ma, USA; South Africa; NEMZOFF: Belarus; Pärnu, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen,Denmark; St Petersburg, Russia

Meryl Persky wrote:

Also, everyone is dressed in
what appears to be, very fine clothing.....strange to me because I think
the family was very poor. I wonder if photography studios provided
clothing for their photo shoots?

It was common that the photo-studies provided fine clothing for the ones
who didn't had some themselves. This was not a common costume in Eastern
Europe, but also in Western Europe and probably the US too (which I know
nothing about). A reminder should also be said: even if a family was poor
they could very well have had one set of nice, or at least better, clothing
to use for special occations as marriages, funerals etc.

Adam Katzeff
Malmoe, Sweden
adam.katzeff@mail.bip.net

Searching:
GOLDBERG: Lithuania; Pärnu+Tallinn, Estonia; Stockholm, Sweden; KARSON:
Glasgow, Scotland; KATZEFF: Lithuania; Cesis, Latvia; Pärnu+Tallinn+Dorpat,
Estonia;Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen, Denmark; Glasgow,
Scotland;Boston, Ma, USA; South Africa; NEMZOFF: Belarus; Pärnu, Estonia;
Stockholm+Gothenburg, Sweden; Copenhagen,Denmark; St Petersburg, Russia

Those of you who have recently visited our web site and checked out the
current version of the 1848 census will be impressed by its scope and
usefulness. Marc Polster, our webmaster, has already corrected most of the
glitches which caused problems in alphabetizing the names. We would also
like to incorporate the names >from the 1848 Ung country census that was
graciously donated to our web site several months ago by George Eotvos of
Family Tree of Budapest-Csaldfa. However, that presentation is in a
graphical format and needs to be transferred to a format that can be
incorporated into our database. The Csaldfa version is available on the web
at the following URL: http://www.familytree.hu/doc/UNGVAR.doc

This would be a wonderful opportunity for someone who is housebound but
would like to make a significant contribution to our work. To view the
acceptable input formats for our project please see the following URL:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/1848_Zemplin_Census_Project.htm

After the Ung data is included into the 1848 master database we will have
completed nearly 20% of the project.

According to the information gleaned >from Professor Erno Marton's famous
essay penned in 1942, titled the Family Tree of Hungarian Jewry, immigration
into Hungary >from Poland and the German speaking countries virtually ceased
after 1825. At that time the Jewish population of Hungary was calculated to
be 190,000. By 1880, the beginning year of large scale immigration to
America, internal natural growth had accounted for a population increase to
nearly 650,000. We don't know the Jewish population in 1848 since a large
portion of that census has been lost. However, if that number was 250,000
then our project of recording the nearly 25,000 names listed in the census
data still available to us, will account for about 10% of the entire Jewish
population in 1848. A searchable data base of that magnitude, I believe,
would be an important aide in our ongoing research as well as an impressive
demonstration of our determination to complete the task we have chosen for
ourselves.

Gyorgy Ujlucki, who many of you know >from his active involvement in our sig,
has suggested that our next project be a master list of all martyred Jews
who lived in the area of reconstituted Hungary, circa 1941.

I have recorded about 30% of the Pernumeranten in the 1825 Sefer
Schne-Apharim, and hope to have it completed by the end of this month so
please hold all lookup requests to me for this book.

Munkacs burial project update: 10 pages of the 25 total pages to be
transcribed >from the Hebrew to English are already in process, but I can't
predict a completion date. If you can read and transcribe Hebrew names into
English, can open scanned files and have an Excel or a Lotus spreadsheet
program we could use your help to complete this project. I estimate that
transcribing 5 pages would take about 3 hours of work.

Personal note to Leah Kraus: I have tried replying to your e-mail using a
variety of formats, but without success. I have a copy of Chachmei Ungaria,
but thank you for the offer.

Louis Schonfeld

Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

I found out my great grandfathers brother Franz was the ringmaster of
the Hungarian National Circus. Does anyone know if there are any records
documents, or posters about that circus?

Thanks,
Anschel Strauss

--
____________________
Alan Strauss
ah448@osfn.org

Those of you who have recently visited our web site and checked out the
current version of the 1848 census will be impressed by its scope and
usefulness. Marc Polster, our webmaster, has already corrected most of the
glitches which caused problems in alphabetizing the names. We would also
like to incorporate the names >from the 1848 Ung country census that was
graciously donated to our web site several months ago by George Eotvos of
Family Tree of Budapest-Csaldfa. However, that presentation is in a
graphical format and needs to be transferred to a format that can be
incorporated into our database. The Csaldfa version is available on the web
at the following URL: http://www.familytree.hu/doc/UNGVAR.doc

This would be a wonderful opportunity for someone who is housebound but
would like to make a significant contribution to our work. To view the
acceptable input formats for our project please see the following URL:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/1848_Zemplin_Census_Project.htm

After the Ung data is included into the 1848 master database we will have
completed nearly 20% of the project.

According to the information gleaned >from Professor Erno Marton's famous
essay penned in 1942, titled the Family Tree of Hungarian Jewry, immigration
into Hungary >from Poland and the German speaking countries virtually ceased
after 1825. At that time the Jewish population of Hungary was calculated to
be 190,000. By 1880, the beginning year of large scale immigration to
America, internal natural growth had accounted for a population increase to
nearly 650,000. We don't know the Jewish population in 1848 since a large
portion of that census has been lost. However, if that number was 250,000
then our project of recording the nearly 25,000 names listed in the census
data still available to us, will account for about 10% of the entire Jewish
population in 1848. A searchable data base of that magnitude, I believe,
would be an important aide in our ongoing research as well as an impressive
demonstration of our determination to complete the task we have chosen for
ourselves.

Gyorgy Ujlucki, who many of you know >from his active involvement in our sig,
has suggested that our next project be a master list of all martyred Jews
who lived in the area of reconstituted Hungary, circa 1941.

I have recorded about 30% of the Pernumeranten in the 1825 Sefer
Schne-Apharim, and hope to have it completed by the end of this month so
please hold all lookup requests to me for this book.

Munkacs burial project update: 10 pages of the 25 total pages to be
transcribed >from the Hebrew to English are already in process, but I can't
predict a completion date. If you can read and transcribe Hebrew names into
English, can open scanned files and have an Excel or a Lotus spreadsheet
program we could use your help to complete this project. I estimate that
transcribing 5 pages would take about 3 hours of work.

Personal note to Leah Kraus: I have tried replying to your e-mail using a
variety of formats, but without success. I have a copy of Chachmei Ungaria,
but thank you for the offer.

Louis Schonfeld

Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

I found out my great grandfathers brother Franz was the ringmaster of
the Hungarian National Circus. Does anyone know if there are any records
documents, or posters about that circus?

Thanks,
Anschel Strauss

--
____________________
Alan Strauss
ah448@osfn.org

The following message was sent to me via private e-mail by someone who is
not a member of this discussion group. If you can help, please respond
to her by private e-mail.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD

**********************************************
Hi Mr. Fox,
I got your name and e-mail address >from the Long Island JGS
publication Lineage. I am trying to research my ggf who lived in Odessa
then emigrated to Palestine probably in the 1880's. His name was Ya'acov
USVIATSKY (transliteration, I've also seen it spelled Uswatska and
Yezratsky). It has been suggested to me that his name indicated that he
might have come >from a small town called Usvyat in the Vitebsk gubernia.
Have you ever heard of this name and do you have any suggestions for
researching it? I assume that the family was Hasidic as my gf described my
ggf (in his only meeting with him as a boy of 10), as " wearing the long
black robe and twisted robe belt of a rabbi" (although I do not know if the
family was actually rabbinic in origin). I'm sorry, but that is the only
information I have at this time.

Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Judy Petersen
<KPeter3434@aol.com>

The following message was sent to me via private e-mail by someone who is
not a member of this discussion group. If you can help, please respond
to her by private e-mail.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD

**********************************************
Hi Mr. Fox,
I got your name and e-mail address >from the Long Island JGS
publication Lineage. I am trying to research my ggf who lived in Odessa
then emigrated to Palestine probably in the 1880's. His name was Ya'acov
USVIATSKY (transliteration, I've also seen it spelled Uswatska and
Yezratsky). It has been suggested to me that his name indicated that he
might have come >from a small town called Usvyat in the Vitebsk gubernia.
Have you ever heard of this name and do you have any suggestions for
researching it? I assume that the family was Hasidic as my gf described my
ggf (in his only meeting with him as a boy of 10), as " wearing the long
black robe and twisted robe belt of a rabbi" (although I do not know if the
family was actually rabbinic in origin). I'm sorry, but that is the only
information I have at this time.

Thank you for whatever help you can give me.

Sincerely,

Judy Petersen
<KPeter3434@aol.com>

On 11 Feb 1999 06:01:46 -0800, Sonyaskter@aol.com wrote:

Would anyone know where the name "Suni" for a women comes from? Is it a
nickname, or shortened >from something else?

from your name, I'd guess there's a Sonya or two on your family tree. Ergo:

Suni = Sonya

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg

On 11 Feb 1999 06:01:46 -0800, Sonyaskter@aol.com wrote:

Would anyone know where the name "Suni" for a women comes from? Is it a
nickname, or shortened >from something else?

from your name, I'd guess there's a Sonya or two on your family tree. Ergo:

Suni = Sonya

Michael Bernet, New York

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth; JONDORF, Bavaria
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF, Aron married Babette GOLDSCHMIDT ca 1860 in Frankfurt;
WOLF, Sali, b. Fkfrt, d. Rotterrdam 1941/2; WOLF, GOLDSCHMIDT, Wurzburg