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Anyone in Vancouver? #general

Steven Kahn <xkahn@...>
 

Does anyone know where Martin Kruger is? I had been translating
pages for him but had to take a break to care for my mother. Now
I'm ready to resume and his email has bounced. His previous e-mail address
was mkZBT@ultranet.ca.

Please e-mail me directly. Thank you.

Eleanor Feldman
Severna Park, Md
xkahn@saber.towson.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Anyone in Vancouver? #general

Steven Kahn <xkahn@...>
 

Does anyone know where Martin Kruger is? I had been translating
pages for him but had to take a break to care for my mother. Now
I'm ready to resume and his email has bounced. His previous e-mail address
was mkZBT@ultranet.ca.

Please e-mail me directly. Thank you.

Eleanor Feldman
Severna Park, Md
xkahn@saber.towson.edu


Orsoy, Kreis Moers #general

Stephen G. Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

I just received a request for information >from a possible relative
who found my Philipp ancestors on the Family Tree of the Jewish
People.
In view of some of the notes about Orsoy that I was able to find on
Helena Philipp's husband, I would like to post them to the list.

1. Elias GOTTSCHALK

Birth Date: 1740
Death Date: 29 Jan 1820
Death Place: Orsoy, Kreis Moers, Germany
Occupation: Butcher
Religion: Jewish

Notes:
A 1980 book about the Jews of Orsoy, traces Jews in that town as far
back as 1361 when the Duke of Cleves permitted a Jew called Lyefman
to settle in Orsoy, Dinslaken, or B=FCderich. He chose Orsoy.
The Jewish cemetery in Orsoy (near Mt. Orsoy) shows Jews as far back
as the 1500s.
Frederick the Great required censuses of Jews.
In 1827 there were 20 Jews in Orsoy; in 1834, 27; in 1842, 42; in
1849, 51; and in 1858, 63. The number declined after that.
The 1799 census noted that E. Gottschalk was 59, was Jewish, was
married to the 24-year-old Beyle Mortje, and had two children. The
only child listed in that census was not named, but was a son, aged
15 (thus born in 1784). It would appear that this was Gottschalk
Elias. The two unnamed children would appear to be Keile and Feis.
In the Sephardic tradition, children could be (and often were) named
after the living, including parents.
Beyle had lived in the community only a year, so clearly she could
not have been the mother of Gottschalk Elias.
At that time, Elias, Beyle and his children lived on Egerstra=DFe.
In the 1801 census, the listing was for Elias Gottschalk, 61, a
butcher living on Gesthausstra=DFe.
Children under 12 in 1801 were: Keile, Feis, Leib, and Judla.
Children were required to go to a Protestant (Lutheran) school and
received their religious instruction at home.
A series of religious teachers was hired by the tiny community, but
all stayed only a short time because they could not make a living,
not even if they also tutored non-Jewish children.
A brick synagogue, which still exists on Kommandaturstra=DFe, was
built in 1866.
As in the rest of Prussia, Cleves restricted Jewish life with
discriminatory laws. Jews were restricted as to how to earn a living
and were not allowed to engage in crafts. Their number was
controlled by requiring permission >from the authorities to get
married.
Privileged Jews were proclaimed "Schutzjuden" (protected Jews),
which allowed them to pay high taxes and required that they remain
in one locality.
By paying "protection money" they received "protection." Those
without this privilege had no rights and were entitled to no
protection.
The French Revolution changed all that and declared Jews equal to
all others. In February 1808 the French forced Jews to adopt family
names.
Thus, on Feb. 8, 1808, Jakob Moses of Orsoy became Jacob Caen.
After the French left, these rights remained under a Prussian
reform initiated by Counts Stein and Hardenberg.
The Prussians required the Jewish community to file an annual report
on their well-being and morals.
The report of 8 Jan 1820 states: "Elias Gottschalk is an 80-year-old
senile man in the poorest circumstances, so that his sons have to
support him." The family was excused, therefore, >from paying Jewish
corporate debts.
The reports showed that in 1827 the Gottschalk brothers (Elias,
Ludwig, Heimann and Gottfried), who owned a slaughter house, also
were cattle dealers, both occupations that were favored by the Jews
in the lower Rhine Valley.
In 1871, at the creation of the German Empire, all citizenship
rights were extended to Jews under the constitution of 1871.
But as early as 1848 Ludwig and Heimann Gottschalk were named jurors
(Geschworene) (I am not clear as to what this means) by the
premier.
At the time Hitler came to power in 1933, only two Jewish families
remained. They also moved away soon thereafter and most were spared
death in the Holocaust.

Spouse: Beyle Marcus
Birth Date: 1773
Birth Place: Hilversheim
Death Date: 23 Oct 1811
Death Place: Orsoy, Kreis Moers, Germany
Religion: Jewish

Spouse Notes:
The 1799 census lists Beyle as Beyle Mortje, aged 24, who had moved
to Orsoy only a year before.
In the 1801 census her name was given as Berle Mortjon.
The 1802 census called her Beile Mortje.
The 1803 census called her Beile Morje.
She and her husband and his children lived on Egerstra=DFe. Beyle's
date of birth, according to the census, could have been as late as
1775.
The Church of Latter Day Saints' archives in Salt Lake City said
Beyle's marriage date was probably in 1798.

Marriage Date: 1798

Children: Laib (Ludwig) (Louis)
Juedela (Jedle, Jeanette, Jette)
Gumbrich (Godefroi)
Chaim (Heimann) (Germain)
Michel

Other spouses: Helena Philipp

Steve Esrati, searching HIRSCH (Dortmund and Berlin), GOTTSCHALK
(Orsoy) and many others


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Orsoy, Kreis Moers #general

Stephen G. Esrati <stevsta@...>
 

I just received a request for information >from a possible relative
who found my Philipp ancestors on the Family Tree of the Jewish
People.
In view of some of the notes about Orsoy that I was able to find on
Helena Philipp's husband, I would like to post them to the list.

1. Elias GOTTSCHALK

Birth Date: 1740
Death Date: 29 Jan 1820
Death Place: Orsoy, Kreis Moers, Germany
Occupation: Butcher
Religion: Jewish

Notes:
A 1980 book about the Jews of Orsoy, traces Jews in that town as far
back as 1361 when the Duke of Cleves permitted a Jew called Lyefman
to settle in Orsoy, Dinslaken, or B=FCderich. He chose Orsoy.
The Jewish cemetery in Orsoy (near Mt. Orsoy) shows Jews as far back
as the 1500s.
Frederick the Great required censuses of Jews.
In 1827 there were 20 Jews in Orsoy; in 1834, 27; in 1842, 42; in
1849, 51; and in 1858, 63. The number declined after that.
The 1799 census noted that E. Gottschalk was 59, was Jewish, was
married to the 24-year-old Beyle Mortje, and had two children. The
only child listed in that census was not named, but was a son, aged
15 (thus born in 1784). It would appear that this was Gottschalk
Elias. The two unnamed children would appear to be Keile and Feis.
In the Sephardic tradition, children could be (and often were) named
after the living, including parents.
Beyle had lived in the community only a year, so clearly she could
not have been the mother of Gottschalk Elias.
At that time, Elias, Beyle and his children lived on Egerstra=DFe.
In the 1801 census, the listing was for Elias Gottschalk, 61, a
butcher living on Gesthausstra=DFe.
Children under 12 in 1801 were: Keile, Feis, Leib, and Judla.
Children were required to go to a Protestant (Lutheran) school and
received their religious instruction at home.
A series of religious teachers was hired by the tiny community, but
all stayed only a short time because they could not make a living,
not even if they also tutored non-Jewish children.
A brick synagogue, which still exists on Kommandaturstra=DFe, was
built in 1866.
As in the rest of Prussia, Cleves restricted Jewish life with
discriminatory laws. Jews were restricted as to how to earn a living
and were not allowed to engage in crafts. Their number was
controlled by requiring permission >from the authorities to get
married.
Privileged Jews were proclaimed "Schutzjuden" (protected Jews),
which allowed them to pay high taxes and required that they remain
in one locality.
By paying "protection money" they received "protection." Those
without this privilege had no rights and were entitled to no
protection.
The French Revolution changed all that and declared Jews equal to
all others. In February 1808 the French forced Jews to adopt family
names.
Thus, on Feb. 8, 1808, Jakob Moses of Orsoy became Jacob Caen.
After the French left, these rights remained under a Prussian
reform initiated by Counts Stein and Hardenberg.
The Prussians required the Jewish community to file an annual report
on their well-being and morals.
The report of 8 Jan 1820 states: "Elias Gottschalk is an 80-year-old
senile man in the poorest circumstances, so that his sons have to
support him." The family was excused, therefore, >from paying Jewish
corporate debts.
The reports showed that in 1827 the Gottschalk brothers (Elias,
Ludwig, Heimann and Gottfried), who owned a slaughter house, also
were cattle dealers, both occupations that were favored by the Jews
in the lower Rhine Valley.
In 1871, at the creation of the German Empire, all citizenship
rights were extended to Jews under the constitution of 1871.
But as early as 1848 Ludwig and Heimann Gottschalk were named jurors
(Geschworene) (I am not clear as to what this means) by the
premier.
At the time Hitler came to power in 1933, only two Jewish families
remained. They also moved away soon thereafter and most were spared
death in the Holocaust.

Spouse: Beyle Marcus
Birth Date: 1773
Birth Place: Hilversheim
Death Date: 23 Oct 1811
Death Place: Orsoy, Kreis Moers, Germany
Religion: Jewish

Spouse Notes:
The 1799 census lists Beyle as Beyle Mortje, aged 24, who had moved
to Orsoy only a year before.
In the 1801 census her name was given as Berle Mortjon.
The 1802 census called her Beile Mortje.
The 1803 census called her Beile Morje.
She and her husband and his children lived on Egerstra=DFe. Beyle's
date of birth, according to the census, could have been as late as
1775.
The Church of Latter Day Saints' archives in Salt Lake City said
Beyle's marriage date was probably in 1798.

Marriage Date: 1798

Children: Laib (Ludwig) (Louis)
Juedela (Jedle, Jeanette, Jette)
Gumbrich (Godefroi)
Chaim (Heimann) (Germain)
Michel

Other spouses: Helena Philipp

Steve Esrati, searching HIRSCH (Dortmund and Berlin), GOTTSCHALK
(Orsoy) and many others


Omaha...searching Abramson (Sam and/or Betty) #general

Kenneth J. <kshapiro@...>
 

Looking for the brother (Sam) or niece (Betty) of my grandfather
Harry Henry Abramson (baltimore) who immigrated >from Galatz
Romania. A sister (Rose) went to NY, married a Cohen and had a
duaghter (Florence)livinging in the Ctaskills as Florence Gale.
Another sister (name not known) went to Buenes Aires and had
a daughter named Felicia.

Also, I believe the real surname was Abromowitz until they
got to Ellis Island.

ken shapiro

SHAPIRO- Bobruisk
ABRAMSON/ABROMOWITZ- Galatz Romania.
RICHMOND/REICHMAN- Covna Cobina Li.


Thank you(s) - Gerts Given Name #general

Maria Krane
 

Hello Genners,
Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to my post
regarding Gerts as a given name (>from 1858 revision list, Vegery, Lithuania).
Many of you suggested it may be a variation of Hirsh. However, Gerts'
father's name was Hirsh and was living so he wouldn't have been named after
his father. Someone kindly suggested that I obtain the original records to
see if something was lost in the translation. That is probably my best bet.
I appreciate the time everyone took to respond to me individually.
Regards,
Maria Krane
Pembroke Pines, Florida
MariaKrane@aol.com
researching: KREYN/KREIN/OKIN/SCHULDNER/ in Vegery (Vegeriai) Lithuania
HOFFMAN/KATZ/REMER in Salakas, Lithuania and HOFFMAN in Svir, Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Omaha...searching Abramson (Sam and/or Betty) #general

Kenneth J. <kshapiro@...>
 

Looking for the brother (Sam) or niece (Betty) of my grandfather
Harry Henry Abramson (baltimore) who immigrated >from Galatz
Romania. A sister (Rose) went to NY, married a Cohen and had a
duaghter (Florence)livinging in the Ctaskills as Florence Gale.
Another sister (name not known) went to Buenes Aires and had
a daughter named Felicia.

Also, I believe the real surname was Abromowitz until they
got to Ellis Island.

ken shapiro

SHAPIRO- Bobruisk
ABRAMSON/ABROMOWITZ- Galatz Romania.
RICHMOND/REICHMAN- Covna Cobina Li.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Thank you(s) - Gerts Given Name #general

Maria Krane
 

Hello Genners,
Thank you to everyone who took the time to respond to my post
regarding Gerts as a given name (>from 1858 revision list, Vegery, Lithuania).
Many of you suggested it may be a variation of Hirsh. However, Gerts'
father's name was Hirsh and was living so he wouldn't have been named after
his father. Someone kindly suggested that I obtain the original records to
see if something was lost in the translation. That is probably my best bet.
I appreciate the time everyone took to respond to me individually.
Regards,
Maria Krane
Pembroke Pines, Florida
MariaKrane@aol.com
researching: KREYN/KREIN/OKIN/SCHULDNER/ in Vegery (Vegeriai) Lithuania
HOFFMAN/KATZ/REMER in Salakas, Lithuania and HOFFMAN in Svir, Belarus


Lost it #general

sjkmb4@...
 

Someone had recently written the URL for the Morton Allen Book of Passenger
Ships arriving at NY and my computer lost it. Does anyone still have it?
Additionally, where would one look for ships prior to 1900?
Thanks Sherry Kamens
Wayne, NJ
Sjkmb4@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lost it #general

sjkmb4@...
 

Someone had recently written the URL for the Morton Allen Book of Passenger
Ships arriving at NY and my computer lost it. Does anyone still have it?
Additionally, where would one look for ships prior to 1900?
Thanks Sherry Kamens
Wayne, NJ
Sjkmb4@aol.com


HOW DO I MAKE MY OWN GEDCOM? #general

sydblatt@...
 

Does anyone out there know a good program I can use to create GEDCOM
files? I have a HUGE family tree going back to about the late 1700s
and my current program "just ain't cuttin' it". Anyone know a good
program for it?

Thanks,
Mark Auerbach

mailto:arimauerbach@juno.com
mailto:sydblatt@bellsouth.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HOW DO I MAKE MY OWN GEDCOM? #general

sydblatt@...
 

Does anyone out there know a good program I can use to create GEDCOM
files? I have a HUGE family tree going back to about the late 1700s
and my current program "just ain't cuttin' it". Anyone know a good
program for it?

Thanks,
Mark Auerbach

mailto:arimauerbach@juno.com
mailto:sydblatt@bellsouth.net


Given names Benjamin and Nastia #general

Pyotr@...
 

My great grandparents changed their names while living in either Poland or
Galicia in the late 1800's. Great grandfather changed his name >from Benjamin
NAGURNEY to Andrew NAGURNEY. great grandmother went >from Nastia
NAGURNEY to Anna NAGURNEY. I have no idea why. Does anyone know if this was
a common thing to do? If so Why? How common are the names Benjamin and Nastia
among the Jewish community, as opposed to Andrew and Anna? Any helpful speculation
is appreciated.

Syracuse, NY

Searching:NAGURNEY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Given names Benjamin and Nastia #general

Pyotr@...
 

My great grandparents changed their names while living in either Poland or
Galicia in the late 1800's. Great grandfather changed his name >from Benjamin
NAGURNEY to Andrew NAGURNEY. great grandmother went >from Nastia
NAGURNEY to Anna NAGURNEY. I have no idea why. Does anyone know if this was
a common thing to do? If so Why? How common are the names Benjamin and Nastia
among the Jewish community, as opposed to Andrew and Anna? Any helpful speculation
is appreciated.

Syracuse, NY

Searching:NAGURNEY


Dr. Wilhelm (William) EKSTEIN, husband of Marie BERNET b. Germany 1880 #general

MBernet@...
 

Anyone have any leads to this family? Came to USA around 1905

Thanks for your help


Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dr. Wilhelm (William) EKSTEIN, husband of Marie BERNET b. Germany 1880 #general

MBernet@...
 

Anyone have any leads to this family? Came to USA around 1905

Thanks for your help


Michael Bernet, New York


Seeking Paul MIDAS (wife was Ida BERNET b. 1877) #general

MBernet@...
 

Anyone have any leads to this family? Came to USA around 1900

Thanks for your help


Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking Paul MIDAS (wife was Ida BERNET b. 1877) #general

MBernet@...
 

Anyone have any leads to this family? Came to USA around 1900

Thanks for your help


Michael Bernet, New York


Benno THORMANN, husband of Gisela Bernet b Germany 1882 #general

MBernet@...
 

Anyone have any leads to this family? Came to USA around 1905-1910

Thanks for your help


Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Benno THORMANN, husband of Gisela Bernet b Germany 1882 #general

MBernet@...
 

Anyone have any leads to this family? Came to USA around 1905-1910

Thanks for your help


Michael Bernet, New York