Hello everyone.
My maiden name is TRUPP. The family can only be traced back as far as my
great-grandfather Yosel TRUPP >from the Ukraine. (possibly >from a town called
Tatarko)

I have found several non-Jews with the name TRUPP who are German decendants.
I have also been told that the Russian word for corpse is TRUP. One person
told me that his ancestors was given the surname of TRUP because he made
coffins for Russian nobles.

I recently found out the a cantor uses symbols, that are written under the
Hebrew text, to tell which melody to perform a given song. These symbols
are called TRUP.

Has anyone heard of this symbol being called TRUP? I wonder if this could
lead me to another clue about my family history.

Thanks for your input,
Mirta Trupp Dreiman

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send all responses on the subject of cantorial
'TRUP' privately to poster as it does not relate directly to Jewish
Genealogy.

Hello everyone.
My maiden name is TRUPP. The family can only be traced back as far as my
great-grandfather Yosel TRUPP >from the Ukraine. (possibly >from a town called
Tatarko)

I have found several non-Jews with the name TRUPP who are German decendants.
I have also been told that the Russian word for corpse is TRUP. One person
told me that his ancestors was given the surname of TRUP because he made
coffins for Russian nobles.

I recently found out the a cantor uses symbols, that are written under the
Hebrew text, to tell which melody to perform a given song. These symbols
are called TRUP.

Has anyone heard of this symbol being called TRUP? I wonder if this could
lead me to another clue about my family history.

Thanks for your input,
Mirta Trupp Dreiman

MODERATOR NOTE: Please send all responses on the subject of cantorial
'TRUP' privately to poster as it does not relate directly to Jewish
Genealogy.

I would like to researh my geneology but I don't know how to spell my
grandfather's last name. He came to the USA >from Poland in the early 1900s
and upon arrival his last name was changed to Korens. Where can I begin? I
have no family members that I can ask regarding exact dates.

Thank you for any information you can supply.

Carole Korens Dietz

MODERATOR NOTE: There is a wealth of information to help you
further your research. You can get a list of all the resources
available by accessing our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
Under the heading RESEARCH you will find : FamilyFinder where you
can search for other people researching the same surnames.
Under the heading LEARN you will find : FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions) and InfoFiles.

I would like to researh my geneology but I don't know how to spell my
grandfather's last name. He came to the USA >from Poland in the early 1900s
and upon arrival his last name was changed to Korens. Where can I begin? I
have no family members that I can ask regarding exact dates.

Thank you for any information you can supply.

Carole Korens Dietz

MODERATOR NOTE: There is a wealth of information to help you
further your research. You can get a list of all the resources
available by accessing our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org
Under the heading RESEARCH you will find : FamilyFinder where you
can search for other people researching the same surnames.
Under the heading LEARN you will find : FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions) and InfoFiles.

This is a correction to my previous post. Steven Chall in Minneapolis has
just pointed out that the Minnesota Historical Society is located in St.
Paul, not Minneapolis. The address to write to for information about
naturalizations done in Minnesota state or local courts is: Minnesota
Historical Society Library, 345 Kellogg Boulevard West, Saint Paul,
Minnesota 55102-1906.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld marjorie.rosenfeld@cwix.com
Carlsbad, CA

This is a correction to my previous post. Steven Chall in Minneapolis has
just pointed out that the Minnesota Historical Society is located in St.
Paul, not Minneapolis. The address to write to for information about
naturalizations done in Minnesota state or local courts is: Minnesota
Historical Society Library, 345 Kellogg Boulevard West, Saint Paul,
Minnesota 55102-1906.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld marjorie.rosenfeld@cwix.com
Carlsbad, CA

Shalom,

In the Holocaust Global Registry http://www.jewishgen.org/registry/
I found the following record, searching a lost child
Gostynski Dan >from Lodz.

Born: Around 1937 Lodz , Poland
Parents: Gostynski, Szymon-born 1904 & Gostynski, Magda
I remember The family together with a 15-year-old relative
managed to escape >from The Lodz Ghetto in 1943 and fled to the
vicinity of Sandomierz. Here Dan was given to a Polish farmer
who lived in the first village on the right hand when you go

from Zawichost to Ostrowiec Swietokrzyski in a

distance of 2-3 miles >from Zawichost.

Through the kind assistance of Mrs. Eva Floersheim >from the Galil Genealogical
Society ( which made and maintain the incredible project: "Missing identity"
kindly hosted now by JewishGen, at: http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/
), I was connected with Leon (Lajb) Gostynski, who is
the uncle of Dan, the little child who was given to a Polish
farmer, near Zawichost.

My special interest in this name is that my mother was born
GOSTYNSKI in Gomabin (Gabin) near the town of Gostynin and
Plock. I never thought there is anybody in the world who is
named Gostynski. All the Gostynski family, Pinkus - my uncle;
Jakob - my grandfather and they didn't also spare my great
grandfather Mosiek, age 85 years old, all were put to death in
Chelmno April 1942. So my heart missed a beat, when, after
many months I received a letter >from the man who made the initial
inquiry: Leon (Lajb) GOSTYNSKI. He was born
in Lodz, son of Jakob (same name as my grandfather...), son
of Szimon GOSTYNSKI. The man wrote to me that there was a
tradition in the family >from father to son, that the family
originated in ...Gombin... So we must be related but we don't
know how. Moyzesz GOSTYNSKI (my ggrandfather) was a butcher in Gombin.
Through marriage certificate located in the JRI database, I found out that he
was born in Gombin year 1857, father: Loyne (?) and mother Ryfka.

from past research I know he had a brother: Dawid GOSTYNSKI.

Moyzesz GOSTYNSKI descendants (all perished in the Holocaust without
leaving any traces) were: Jakob GOSTYNSKI (my grandfather, murdered in chelmno),
Perla ZAWIERUCHA b. 1890 in Gombin, (transported >from Drancy to Auschwitz
24.6.1942), Ryfka Lea SANICKI (perished in Chelmno - see:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/chaja/SANICKI.HTM
) and unknown daughter who married the baker of ZAKROCZYM and her name is still a
mystery to me.

Back to the research for Dan Gostynski. More information supplied
by Leon GOSTYNSKI:
The 2 old baby boy was delivered to Polish farmers >from the village near Sandomierz,
about 100 miles South of Warsaw, on the border of Galicia and Congress Poland.
This happened in 1942, when Dan's parents, Magda and Szymon run away from
Ghetto Lodz. They delivered the boy to a Polish farmer near Zawichost,
near Sandomierz. The information was supplied by another cousin, who run away
together with the couple, named Rozenfeld. Leon believes he is still alive, under
false identity, in Poland.

After the war, the original Polish population of the village was
replaced, and the people were transferred to other places
in western Poland.

*Does anyone know about this transfer of population and when and why
this happened.

* Where is Zawichost, as I couldn't locate in the map.

* May anyone have a suggestion how to continue the search of the little boy Dan
GOSTYNSKI, now reaching 60, desperately searched by his uncle for tens of years?

* Does anyone know of any other GOSTYNSKI
still alive who were born in Poland?

Any help will be highly appreciated, Toda Raba,

Ada Holtzman
www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/

Shalom,

In the Holocaust Global Registry http://www.jewishgen.org/registry/
I found the following record, searching a lost child
Gostynski Dan >from Lodz.

Born: Around 1937 Lodz , Poland
Parents: Gostynski, Szymon-born 1904 & Gostynski, Magda
I remember The family together with a 15-year-old relative
managed to escape >from The Lodz Ghetto in 1943 and fled to the
vicinity of Sandomierz. Here Dan was given to a Polish farmer
who lived in the first village on the right hand when you go

from Zawichost to Ostrowiec Swietokrzyski in a

distance of 2-3 miles >from Zawichost.

Through the kind assistance of Mrs. Eva Floersheim >from the Galil Genealogical
Society ( which made and maintain the incredible project: "Missing identity"
kindly hosted now by JewishGen, at: http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/
), I was connected with Leon (Lajb) Gostynski, who is
the uncle of Dan, the little child who was given to a Polish
farmer, near Zawichost.

My special interest in this name is that my mother was born
GOSTYNSKI in Gomabin (Gabin) near the town of Gostynin and
Plock. I never thought there is anybody in the world who is
named Gostynski. All the Gostynski family, Pinkus - my uncle;
Jakob - my grandfather and they didn't also spare my great
grandfather Mosiek, age 85 years old, all were put to death in
Chelmno April 1942. So my heart missed a beat, when, after
many months I received a letter >from the man who made the initial
inquiry: Leon (Lajb) GOSTYNSKI. He was born
in Lodz, son of Jakob (same name as my grandfather...), son
of Szimon GOSTYNSKI. The man wrote to me that there was a
tradition in the family >from father to son, that the family
originated in ...Gombin... So we must be related but we don't
know how. Moyzesz GOSTYNSKI (my ggrandfather) was a butcher in Gombin.
Through marriage certificate located in the JRI database, I found out that he
was born in Gombin year 1857, father: Loyne (?) and mother Ryfka.

from past research I know he had a brother: Dawid GOSTYNSKI.

Moyzesz GOSTYNSKI descendants (all perished in the Holocaust without
leaving any traces) were: Jakob GOSTYNSKI (my grandfather, murdered in chelmno),
Perla ZAWIERUCHA b. 1890 in Gombin, (transported >from Drancy to Auschwitz
24.6.1942), Ryfka Lea SANICKI (perished in Chelmno - see:
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/chaja/SANICKI.HTM
) and unknown daughter who married the baker of ZAKROCZYM and her name is still a
mystery to me.

Back to the research for Dan Gostynski. More information supplied
by Leon GOSTYNSKI:
The 2 old baby boy was delivered to Polish farmers >from the village near Sandomierz,
about 100 miles South of Warsaw, on the border of Galicia and Congress Poland.
This happened in 1942, when Dan's parents, Magda and Szymon run away from
Ghetto Lodz. They delivered the boy to a Polish farmer near Zawichost,
near Sandomierz. The information was supplied by another cousin, who run away
together with the couple, named Rozenfeld. Leon believes he is still alive, under
false identity, in Poland.

After the war, the original Polish population of the village was
replaced, and the people were transferred to other places
in western Poland.

*Does anyone know about this transfer of population and when and why
this happened.

* Where is Zawichost, as I couldn't locate in the map.

* May anyone have a suggestion how to continue the search of the little boy Dan
GOSTYNSKI, now reaching 60, desperately searched by his uncle for tens of years?

* Does anyone know of any other GOSTYNSKI
still alive who were born in Poland?

Any help will be highly appreciated, Toda Raba,

Ada Holtzman
www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/4017/

It is true that Martindale-Hubbell law directory limits the information
it provides to the lawyer's address, year of birth, year of admission to the
bar, undergrad and law school, but with that information you can:
1. Write to the state bar of the state to ask for application forms
filed (subject to privacy rules); and
2. Write to the alumni offices of the universities concerned, which
will have access to academic records, registration documents, and oc-
casionally periodic contributions to reunion books showing what has hap-
pened to the person over the years, along with the names of children and
spouses (preferably only one at a time).
Bert Lazerow
San Diego, CA

It is true that Martindale-Hubbell law directory limits the information
it provides to the lawyer's address, year of birth, year of admission to the
bar, undergrad and law school, but with that information you can:
1. Write to the state bar of the state to ask for application forms
filed (subject to privacy rules); and
2. Write to the alumni offices of the universities concerned, which
will have access to academic records, registration documents, and oc-
casionally periodic contributions to reunion books showing what has hap-
pened to the person over the years, along with the names of children and
spouses (preferably only one at a time).
Bert Lazerow
San Diego, CA

Was wondering if anyone knows what the names of the synagogues in
Liverpool are or where I could get my hands on the information? Would
appreciate any information.Thank you.
Anita Mendelsohn

MODERATOR NOTE: Please consult the Discussion Group Archives at our
website for some information around this topic.

Was wondering if anyone knows what the names of the synagogues in
Liverpool are or where I could get my hands on the information? Would
appreciate any information.Thank you.
Anita Mendelsohn

MODERATOR NOTE: Please consult the Discussion Group Archives at our
website for some information around this topic.

Grandfather came to US around 1907. Fathers name was Meyer Henrich,
SAMUELS, Mothers name was Rose NAYHOUSE. Cannot find any records on SAMUELS >from Poland. Aunt Zena SAMUELS went to Israel in 1920s. Said name was Samuels.
Help
Linda B Stewart.

Grandfather came to US around 1907. Fathers name was Meyer Henrich,
SAMUELS, Mothers name was Rose NAYHOUSE. Cannot find any records on SAMUELS >from Poland. Aunt Zena SAMUELS went to Israel in 1920s. Said name was Samuels.
Help
Linda B Stewart.

I recently encountered this name in the JRI-Poland database on the index to a
record of a possible relative. I've never seen it before. What other names is
Eber "related" to? Is it a diminutive or version of Abraham?

TIA,

Jonathan Goldmacher
New York, NY

Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
Towns Leader
Przasnysz & Pultusk Shtetl CO-OPs

I recently encountered this name in the JRI-Poland database on the index to a
record of a possible relative. I've never seen it before. What other names is
Eber "related" to? Is it a diminutive or version of Abraham?

TIA,

Jonathan Goldmacher
New York, NY

Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
Towns Leader
Przasnysz & Pultusk Shtetl CO-OPs

How you can pick up a virus in your computer:

Advice, IN ALL CASES: do not run or double click on any e-mail
attachment
that ends in .exe or .com or .bat UNLESS you either check it with a
virus scanner or completely trust the sender, or both.

This info is >from a computer engineer."To infect, a virus must be l.)
executable program i.e. "anything .exe" "anything .com" "anything.bat"

and 2) you must RUN IT on your computer."

Those commands come >from PC owners.

Joan

How you can pick up a virus in your computer:

Advice, IN ALL CASES: do not run or double click on any e-mail
attachment
that ends in .exe or .com or .bat UNLESS you either check it with a
virus scanner or completely trust the sender, or both.

This info is >from a computer engineer."To infect, a virus must be l.)
executable program i.e. "anything .exe" "anything .com" "anything.bat"

and 2) you must RUN IT on your computer."

Those commands come >from PC owners.

Joan

Do you know why Jewish law permitted the marriage of uncles and nieces but not
aunts and nephews? My great aunt Goldie Cooper came >from Siauliai along with
her uncle Ben Lopate. The decided to get married after they had arrived in
Chicago. In order to do so they had to "run away." I'm trying to find them.
They had two daughters who were very bright, but neither one had children. It
seems that because of Jewish law the whole family has disappeared without a
trace.
Were these marriages common? Hennie Greenland Omaha, NE

The answer is quite simple. Uncle-niece marriage-- but not aunt-nephew
marriage -- is permitted in Jewish law because the Bible says so by
implication, namely by explicitly prohibiting the latter but not the
former! An aunt is listed among the long list of incestuous
relationships, but a niece is not. See Leviticus chapter 18.

Even though permitted, I don't think uncle-niece marriage has been very
widespread -- I never personally met even one one such couple -- but it
does happen occasionally. Oddly enough, in the state where I live, Rhode
Island, there has been a law on the books since the 19th century affording
an exception to the normal consanguinity rules in the General Laws of Rhode
Island. (I discovered this when working in a prior incarnation as a special
assistant attorney general for the State of Rhode Island about 20 years
ago!) The RI General Laws of course forbid aunt-nephew and uncle-niece
marriage alike -- but the proviso specifically exempts Jews >from any
incest prohibition in the general laws that is NOT found in the Jewish
consanguinity laws.

I suppose this law may have been passed when an influential R.I. Jew who
wanted to marry his niece pointed out to the legislature that Jewish law
permits this, and asked for an exemption.

I do know of at least one case of a Jewish uncle and niece living in Canada
who actually came to Providence to get married, in order to take advantage
of the R.I. proviso.
JRW

Do you know why Jewish law permitted the marriage of uncles and nieces but not
aunts and nephews? My great aunt Goldie Cooper came >from Siauliai along with
her uncle Ben Lopate. The decided to get married after they had arrived in
Chicago. In order to do so they had to "run away." I'm trying to find them.
They had two daughters who were very bright, but neither one had children. It
seems that because of Jewish law the whole family has disappeared without a
trace.
Were these marriages common? Hennie Greenland Omaha, NE

The answer is quite simple. Uncle-niece marriage-- but not aunt-nephew
marriage -- is permitted in Jewish law because the Bible says so by
implication, namely by explicitly prohibiting the latter but not the
former! An aunt is listed among the long list of incestuous
relationships, but a niece is not. See Leviticus chapter 18.

Even though permitted, I don't think uncle-niece marriage has been very
widespread -- I never personally met even one one such couple -- but it
does happen occasionally. Oddly enough, in the state where I live, Rhode
Island, there has been a law on the books since the 19th century affording
an exception to the normal consanguinity rules in the General Laws of Rhode
Island. (I discovered this when working in a prior incarnation as a special
assistant attorney general for the State of Rhode Island about 20 years
ago!) The RI General Laws of course forbid aunt-nephew and uncle-niece
marriage alike -- but the proviso specifically exempts Jews >from any
incest prohibition in the general laws that is NOT found in the Jewish
consanguinity laws.

I suppose this law may have been passed when an influential R.I. Jew who
wanted to marry his niece pointed out to the legislature that Jewish law
permits this, and asked for an exemption.

I do know of at least one case of a Jewish uncle and niece living in Canada
who actually came to Providence to get married, in order to take advantage
of the R.I. proviso.
JRW