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* Gyorgy Ujlaki Shoah Memorial DB project follow-up (long) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

Not that people are standing in line to "buy" my memories but the rate of
positive answers is encouraging. I am sending this to update you all about
what happened and to keep you posted. I will do so >from time to time until
reaching a final conclusion if my proposition passed or failed.

However, the main reason I am writing this message is to answer to some
about their comments on the Gyorgy Ujlaki Shoah Memorial DB project and its
importance. Please forgive me if this is a long message but I felt I needed
to share my thoughts with you all.

As I wrote before, I support Gyorgy's project fully. If at all possible, we
H-siggers should join our forces and make it happen. IMHO this is the least
we can do to preserve the memories of all 6 million martyrs, in particular
of our brethren >from Hungary, who perished in the hands of the Nazi
monsters and their sectarians (Slovakian, Hungarian, Romanian, Ukrainian,
Croatian fascist and alike). I have decided to become actively involved in
this project even if my proposition fails. The proponent is Gyorgy so he
keeps the shots, but here is my offer to help him as much as I will be able
to.

Some of you mentioned having lost relatives in the Holocaust, and not
knowing how to keep alive their memories. Here are some ideas which you may
find useful, thing I have done along the years. Forgive me if I touch a
very sensible subject but my motto has been WE WILL NEVER FORGET!

1. Keep searching for their fate. If they didn't show up after over 50
years evidently they perished. However, finding out *where* that happened
seems to me very important, as this allows to give them a virtual grave.
You may remember the astonishing event of Gabi Svatos discovering my two
Stark uncles fate. It came as a shock to learn that they were taken to
labor camps in Ukraine where they disappeared, but it gave me a comforting
sensation to know the names of those places. One day I will go to Ukraine
and pay them the due respects.

2. Give them a "real burial" somehow. I found a way to do it when my
parents died. On the sides of their tombstones I let to engrave the names
of their brothers and sisters who died in the Shoah. Each time I visit my
parents graves I also "see" those of my relatives and can say a Kaddish for
them. Something similar can be done in synagogues which keep walls of
remembrance for Shoah victims.

3. Pass the heritage to your children and grandchildren. They MUST know
what happened and they must be indoctrinated to never let it be forgotten.
This was the main reason why I wrote my memories. I was born in 1937 so the
narrative begins practically at the outset of WWII. I choose to tell first
all my positive experiences, the gay things, leaving to the end my memories
about the Shoah. The closing lines reproduce a story told by Elie Wiesel,
also a Hungarian survivor:

Elie was asked by his students "what should I tell to my children about the
Shoah?". His answer was:

"Within a few years there will be no survivors of this tragedy.
Their number is declining rapidly (today we are only 300,000
thousand!!!).
So briefly there will be nobody who has been there.

What should you tell to your children? Tell them that you met one of the
survivors. Since he was alive you were alive to listen to his story.
Yes, tell them this: I met a survivor.

I am sure they will listen to your story. And they will ask you the same
thing: 'what should we tell to our children?' Your answer should be
the same:
I met one person who met one of the last survivors of the Holocaust.
And he heard the story I will tell you now.

So the question will be asked >from generation to generation. And the
answer will always be the same. The story told also.

This is what we survivors hope that will happen. That the biggest tragedy
of our People will be remembered forever. It only depends on you".

Do I have to say more?

with brotherly love to all
Tom


Hungary SIG #Hungary * Gyorgy Ujlaki Shoah Memorial DB project follow-up (long) #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

Not that people are standing in line to "buy" my memories but the rate of
positive answers is encouraging. I am sending this to update you all about
what happened and to keep you posted. I will do so >from time to time until
reaching a final conclusion if my proposition passed or failed.

However, the main reason I am writing this message is to answer to some
about their comments on the Gyorgy Ujlaki Shoah Memorial DB project and its
importance. Please forgive me if this is a long message but I felt I needed
to share my thoughts with you all.

As I wrote before, I support Gyorgy's project fully. If at all possible, we
H-siggers should join our forces and make it happen. IMHO this is the least
we can do to preserve the memories of all 6 million martyrs, in particular
of our brethren >from Hungary, who perished in the hands of the Nazi
monsters and their sectarians (Slovakian, Hungarian, Romanian, Ukrainian,
Croatian fascist and alike). I have decided to become actively involved in
this project even if my proposition fails. The proponent is Gyorgy so he
keeps the shots, but here is my offer to help him as much as I will be able
to.

Some of you mentioned having lost relatives in the Holocaust, and not
knowing how to keep alive their memories. Here are some ideas which you may
find useful, thing I have done along the years. Forgive me if I touch a
very sensible subject but my motto has been WE WILL NEVER FORGET!

1. Keep searching for their fate. If they didn't show up after over 50
years evidently they perished. However, finding out *where* that happened
seems to me very important, as this allows to give them a virtual grave.
You may remember the astonishing event of Gabi Svatos discovering my two
Stark uncles fate. It came as a shock to learn that they were taken to
labor camps in Ukraine where they disappeared, but it gave me a comforting
sensation to know the names of those places. One day I will go to Ukraine
and pay them the due respects.

2. Give them a "real burial" somehow. I found a way to do it when my
parents died. On the sides of their tombstones I let to engrave the names
of their brothers and sisters who died in the Shoah. Each time I visit my
parents graves I also "see" those of my relatives and can say a Kaddish for
them. Something similar can be done in synagogues which keep walls of
remembrance for Shoah victims.

3. Pass the heritage to your children and grandchildren. They MUST know
what happened and they must be indoctrinated to never let it be forgotten.
This was the main reason why I wrote my memories. I was born in 1937 so the
narrative begins practically at the outset of WWII. I choose to tell first
all my positive experiences, the gay things, leaving to the end my memories
about the Shoah. The closing lines reproduce a story told by Elie Wiesel,
also a Hungarian survivor:

Elie was asked by his students "what should I tell to my children about the
Shoah?". His answer was:

"Within a few years there will be no survivors of this tragedy.
Their number is declining rapidly (today we are only 300,000
thousand!!!).
So briefly there will be nobody who has been there.

What should you tell to your children? Tell them that you met one of the
survivors. Since he was alive you were alive to listen to his story.
Yes, tell them this: I met a survivor.

I am sure they will listen to your story. And they will ask you the same
thing: 'what should we tell to our children?' Your answer should be
the same:
I met one person who met one of the last survivors of the Holocaust.
And he heard the story I will tell you now.

So the question will be asked >from generation to generation. And the
answer will always be the same. The story told also.

This is what we survivors hope that will happen. That the biggest tragedy
of our People will be remembered forever. It only depends on you".

Do I have to say more?

with brotherly love to all
Tom


Social Security Card Applications #belarus

Adarelana@...
 

What information is available >from the application for a Social Security Card?

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont, CA
adarelana@aol.com
Researching: BELINKOFF (Gomel, Cleveland, Los Angeles); MAGIDSON (Gomel,
New York)

MODERATOR NOTE: You can find an excellent JewishGen info file about
the Social Security Administration at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt>
In addition, there have been many discusions on the JewishGen Discussion
Group about the Social Security cards and the Social Security Death Index.
Try reviewing the JewishGen Discussion Group Archive of messages at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Social Security Card Applications #belarus

Adarelana@...
 

What information is available >from the application for a Social Security Card?

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont, CA
adarelana@aol.com
Researching: BELINKOFF (Gomel, Cleveland, Los Angeles); MAGIDSON (Gomel,
New York)

MODERATOR NOTE: You can find an excellent JewishGen info file about
the Social Security Administration at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/us-ssa.txt>
In addition, there have been many discusions on the JewishGen Discussion
Group about the Social Security cards and the Social Security Death Index.
Try reviewing the JewishGen Discussion Group Archive of messages at:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.isa?jg~jgsys~archpop>


Re: Polish (?) translation #general

Dr. Fritz Neubauer <NEUBAUER@...>
 

Daniel wrote:

"2. Kawcie: Sam writes (speculating about emigrating): "It's also been the
case that many families have already emigrated to America, in cases where
their siblings put down a "Kawcion" of $5000 in America; then one can come
with one's wife and children and afterwards one gets the "Kawcie" back..."


The word "Kawcion" sounds very much like a phonetic version of the
German Word "Kaution" in English orthography: "Kaution" in German is
the word for "deposit", a sum of money you have to pay in for damages
that may occur, i.e. in this case probablly if the people after
emigration would not find jobs and cause the public to support them.
I hope that helps,
Fritz Neubauer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish (?) translation #general

Dr. Fritz Neubauer <NEUBAUER@...>
 

Daniel wrote:

"2. Kawcie: Sam writes (speculating about emigrating): "It's also been the
case that many families have already emigrated to America, in cases where
their siblings put down a "Kawcion" of $5000 in America; then one can come
with one's wife and children and afterwards one gets the "Kawcie" back..."


The word "Kawcion" sounds very much like a phonetic version of the
German Word "Kaution" in English orthography: "Kaution" in German is
the word for "deposit", a sum of money you have to pay in for damages
that may occur, i.e. in this case probablly if the people after
emigration would not find jobs and cause the public to support them.
I hope that helps,
Fritz Neubauer


Not all KATZes are Cohenim #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

My maternal grandfather, Harry KATZ, was a Levite. (And also, of
course, his parents, Joseph / Israel Katz and Annie STRAUSS are the
great-grandparent for whom I have no family towns ... )


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Not all KATZes are Cohenim #general

Jonina Duker <jonina.duker@...>
 

My maternal grandfather, Harry KATZ, was a Levite. (And also, of
course, his parents, Joseph / Israel Katz and Annie STRAUSS are the
great-grandparent for whom I have no family towns ... )


NYC Marriage Records #general

Rita Margolies <b4kids@...>
 

Judy Aiello wrote:

My grandparents were married in Brooklyn in 1896 I cannot locate
records, I searched the Bride and Groom Lists for Brooklyn the last time
I was in New York at the Public Library, could not locate them, also I
could not find evidence of their son Abraham Harry Meirowitz, born in
Brooklyn January 1897. Is their any other place to look. It is very
difficult for me to get to the city.
For all of out there that need marriage records >from NY let me recommend the
following. Go to your local FHC and check their catalog for the appropriate
bride and groom indexes. There is always a volunteer to help with this part
of it. They will order the rolls of microfilm for $3.75 each. The indexes
contain marriages >from all boroughs and go month by month. It's tedious but
eventually you do get through it. Once you locate the couple you are looking
for, you get a certificate number. Then you order the appropriate film that
has that certificate. The roll contains both the marriage certificate and
the license application. Anybody can do it anywhere, anytime. NYC charges
$10 for a certificate so the microfilms come out about the same, and you
have the advantage of knowing what you are getting.

You can do the same for birth and death indexes.

Rita
b4kids@earthlink.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen NYC Marriage Records #general

Rita Margolies <b4kids@...>
 

Judy Aiello wrote:

My grandparents were married in Brooklyn in 1896 I cannot locate
records, I searched the Bride and Groom Lists for Brooklyn the last time
I was in New York at the Public Library, could not locate them, also I
could not find evidence of their son Abraham Harry Meirowitz, born in
Brooklyn January 1897. Is their any other place to look. It is very
difficult for me to get to the city.
For all of out there that need marriage records >from NY let me recommend the
following. Go to your local FHC and check their catalog for the appropriate
bride and groom indexes. There is always a volunteer to help with this part
of it. They will order the rolls of microfilm for $3.75 each. The indexes
contain marriages >from all boroughs and go month by month. It's tedious but
eventually you do get through it. Once you locate the couple you are looking
for, you get a certificate number. Then you order the appropriate film that
has that certificate. The roll contains both the marriage certificate and
the license application. Anybody can do it anywhere, anytime. NYC charges
$10 for a certificate so the microfilms come out about the same, and you
have the advantage of knowing what you are getting.

You can do the same for birth and death indexes.

Rita
b4kids@earthlink.net


How To Obtain Vital Records (US)? #belarus

Adarelana@...
 

Does anyone have information on how to request Death Certificates from
Philadelphia?

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont, CA
adarelana@aol.com

Researching: BELINKOFF (Gomel, Cleveland, Los Angeles); MAGIDSON (Gomel, New York)

MODERATOR NOTE: To find out where to write for vital records (birth,
death, marriage, divorce) in the United States go to:
<http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm>.
The cost of obtaining records is also found there.


Belarus SIG #Belarus How To Obtain Vital Records (US)? #belarus

Adarelana@...
 

Does anyone have information on how to request Death Certificates from
Philadelphia?

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont, CA
adarelana@aol.com

Researching: BELINKOFF (Gomel, Cleveland, Los Angeles); MAGIDSON (Gomel, New York)

MODERATOR NOTE: To find out where to write for vital records (birth,
death, marriage, divorce) in the United States go to:
<http://www.cdc.gov/nchswww/howto/w2w/w2welcom.htm>.
The cost of obtaining records is also found there.


Searching for NACHOD #general

Sharon and Megan <sharmeg@...>
 

I am looking for any information that anyone might have on the Nachod
family. We are >from a town above Prague, and there seem to be both German
and Hungarian branches in the US. The Hungarian branches settled around
Philadelphia.

If you know anuthing, please let me know at sharmeg@comcat.com

Thank you!

Megan Nachod


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching for NACHOD #general

Sharon and Megan <sharmeg@...>
 

I am looking for any information that anyone might have on the Nachod
family. We are >from a town above Prague, and there seem to be both German
and Hungarian branches in the US. The Hungarian branches settled around
Philadelphia.

If you know anuthing, please let me know at sharmeg@comcat.com

Thank you!

Megan Nachod


Haverhill, Massachusetts & Names of Synagogues #general

Wildpom@...
 

Does anyone know the names of congregations that still exist in this New
England town? I would also be very interested in knowing the names of the
Shuls that were once active in Haverhill? Thank you.

Michele V. Pomerantz
Secaucus, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Haverhill, Massachusetts & Names of Synagogues #general

Wildpom@...
 

Does anyone know the names of congregations that still exist in this New
England town? I would also be very interested in knowing the names of the
Shuls that were once active in Haverhill? Thank you.

Michele V. Pomerantz
Secaucus, NJ


Re: Polish (?) translation #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

1. Parmusy/Koncesyi: Sam writes: "All of the "Parmuses" [sic] have been
taken away >from the Jews in town, but I, thank God, since I have a
Koncesyi, have a parmusy for the trucks." (he owned a business shipping
locally-raised meat to Vienna, presumably in these trucks.)
Thanks,
Daniel Mendelsohn
New York, NY

Shalom Daniel,

Sam was using Yiddish word "parnussy" or "parnusy" meaning his profit (his
earnings). Many Jews in his area who owned their private businesses lost the
ability to make a profit.
But because Sam's concession "Koncesyi" (agreement with local authorities or
government to operate a certain type of business for a certain time period) was
not taken away, he has his profit >from tracks.
Mark Grekin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish (?) translation #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

1. Parmusy/Koncesyi: Sam writes: "All of the "Parmuses" [sic] have been
taken away >from the Jews in town, but I, thank God, since I have a
Koncesyi, have a parmusy for the trucks." (he owned a business shipping
locally-raised meat to Vienna, presumably in these trucks.)
Thanks,
Daniel Mendelsohn
New York, NY

Shalom Daniel,

Sam was using Yiddish word "parnussy" or "parnusy" meaning his profit (his
earnings). Many Jews in his area who owned their private businesses lost the
ability to make a profit.
But because Sam's concession "Koncesyi" (agreement with local authorities or
government to operate a certain type of business for a certain time period) was
not taken away, he has his profit >from tracks.
Mark Grekin


lost address #general

shimonoz
 

Hello All!.
While upgrading to win98,I have losted my address book,and waittng
hopefully that some one will write to me.So just a reminder.
Shearching:OUZIEL/KABILI/SHALEM.
Shimon Ouziel
Tel-Aviv,Israel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen lost address #general

shimonoz
 

Hello All!.
While upgrading to win98,I have losted my address book,and waittng
hopefully that some one will write to me.So just a reminder.
Shearching:OUZIEL/KABILI/SHALEM.
Shimon Ouziel
Tel-Aviv,Israel