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Re: Jewish City School in Lodz #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Miriam Deitcher wrote:

My great uncle's diary refers to a Jewish City school in Lodz in 1914.
He says "I went to school in the 'Zachodna Street.' There was a Jewish
City school Ebpeuchoe. This was the name in Russian because Poland at
that time was occupied territory by the Russians. Only one other member
of our family had a chance to go to school, my oldest brother Joseph (my
grandfather) because there was not enough shoes and clothing for
everybody to wear at the same time. So the other children had to stay
home."
Is anyone familiar with this school? Anyone know how Ebpeuchoe
translates? Any chance of finding any records? Also, was it common for
children to not go to school at all? (pardon my ignorance on this
topic.)


Ebpeuckoe. Amazing.

Congratulation, Miriam! You are now reading Russian. It's just a pure
accident, that nearly all the letters in this Russian word written in
Cyrillic alphabet, do have an identical graphic appearance in the Latin
alphabet. A rough equivalency:

E = Ye
b = v
p = r
e = ye
u = y (in original Rusian there is a mark on top of 'u')
c = s
k = k
o = o
e = ye

Which means Yevreyskoye and translates as Jewish (Yevrey = Jew in
Russian). All together school was probably known as "Yevreyskoye
Gorodskoye Uchilishche" or City Jewish School.

Alexander Sharon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jewish City School in Lodz #general

Alexander Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

Miriam Deitcher wrote:

My great uncle's diary refers to a Jewish City school in Lodz in 1914.
He says "I went to school in the 'Zachodna Street.' There was a Jewish
City school Ebpeuchoe. This was the name in Russian because Poland at
that time was occupied territory by the Russians. Only one other member
of our family had a chance to go to school, my oldest brother Joseph (my
grandfather) because there was not enough shoes and clothing for
everybody to wear at the same time. So the other children had to stay
home."
Is anyone familiar with this school? Anyone know how Ebpeuchoe
translates? Any chance of finding any records? Also, was it common for
children to not go to school at all? (pardon my ignorance on this
topic.)


Ebpeuckoe. Amazing.

Congratulation, Miriam! You are now reading Russian. It's just a pure
accident, that nearly all the letters in this Russian word written in
Cyrillic alphabet, do have an identical graphic appearance in the Latin
alphabet. A rough equivalency:

E = Ye
b = v
p = r
e = ye
u = y (in original Rusian there is a mark on top of 'u')
c = s
k = k
o = o
e = ye

Which means Yevreyskoye and translates as Jewish (Yevrey = Jew in
Russian). All together school was probably known as "Yevreyskoye
Gorodskoye Uchilishche" or City Jewish School.

Alexander Sharon


Ochiefsko Oliesko #general

Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
 

Jonathan Goldmacher wrote:

he always said he came from
a village called "Ochiefsko Oliesko" (this is a phonetic spelling, he never
wrote it down).
The Polish town of OLECKO is a possible suspect. It is located at
coordinates
5402 2231, which is 138.2 miles NNE of Warsaw.
I don't have the exact answer *but* you know "fancy shmancy"? This could be
a similar case. I always heard my family saying jokingly that a person was
from "minksapinskgabearknee-a" as a child and only learned this summer when
I started my search that it was Minsk and Pinsk guberniya. There have also
been other posts about plays on the names of villages where people made fun
of their villages' names. I would suspect that the name of the town is just
one of those words.

Just a thought.....

Anita Citron


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ochiefsko Oliesko #general

Anita Citron <anitac1@...>
 

Jonathan Goldmacher wrote:

he always said he came from
a village called "Ochiefsko Oliesko" (this is a phonetic spelling, he never
wrote it down).
The Polish town of OLECKO is a possible suspect. It is located at
coordinates
5402 2231, which is 138.2 miles NNE of Warsaw.
I don't have the exact answer *but* you know "fancy shmancy"? This could be
a similar case. I always heard my family saying jokingly that a person was
from "minksapinskgabearknee-a" as a child and only learned this summer when
I started my search that it was Minsk and Pinsk guberniya. There have also
been other posts about plays on the names of villages where people made fun
of their villages' names. I would suspect that the name of the town is just
one of those words.

Just a thought.....

Anita Citron


Re: Has anyone ever heard of this town?? #general

armata@...
 

he always said he came from
a village called "Ochiefsko Oliesko" (this is a phonetic spelling, he never
wrote it down).

There is a township named Olesko [Oleh skoh] east of Lviv (ex Lvov,
Lemberg) on the main road # M17 (International European route # E40), 10
miles east of Busk, 22 miles west of Brody. Town is not identified in
Shtetlseeker site, but both, nearby Busk and Brody were known as a
Jewish settlements.

This looks like a good bet.

Olesko did have a Jewish population. According to Kubiiovich's statistics,
before the war it had a population of 700 Jews (out of total 4040).
Since it was in Zloczow county at the time, "Ochiefsko" might be a memory
of Zloczowsko or Zloczowskie (referring to Zloczow), pronounced like English
zwo-choff-sko / -skye.


Joe Armata
armata@vms.cis.pitt.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Has anyone ever heard of this town?? #general

armata@...
 

he always said he came from
a village called "Ochiefsko Oliesko" (this is a phonetic spelling, he never
wrote it down).

There is a township named Olesko [Oleh skoh] east of Lviv (ex Lvov,
Lemberg) on the main road # M17 (International European route # E40), 10
miles east of Busk, 22 miles west of Brody. Town is not identified in
Shtetlseeker site, but both, nearby Busk and Brody were known as a
Jewish settlements.

This looks like a good bet.

Olesko did have a Jewish population. According to Kubiiovich's statistics,
before the war it had a population of 700 Jews (out of total 4040).
Since it was in Zloczow county at the time, "Ochiefsko" might be a memory
of Zloczowsko or Zloczowskie (referring to Zloczow), pronounced like English
zwo-choff-sko / -skye.


Joe Armata
armata@vms.cis.pitt.edu


Lawrence, MA lookup #general

Harriett B. Quinn <hquinn@...>
 

I am trying to locate Synagogue Anshassard on Concord St., Lawrence, MA.
My 90 year old father Morris BAKER, was Bar Mitzvah'd there June-July, 1921
and does not have any papers to show me. I believe the Rabbi there was
Rabbi BROWN. There was a Cantor CUTLER there also that had my father
travel to NY and sing with him for about one year after he was Bar
Mitzvoh'd. If anyone can help me out with names, addresses, and especially
his Bar Mitzvah date, I would be very appreciative. Is the synagogue still
there? If so, an address would be nice. Thanks
Harriett Baker Quinn
Whitefish, MT


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Lawrence, MA lookup #general

Harriett B. Quinn <hquinn@...>
 

I am trying to locate Synagogue Anshassard on Concord St., Lawrence, MA.
My 90 year old father Morris BAKER, was Bar Mitzvah'd there June-July, 1921
and does not have any papers to show me. I believe the Rabbi there was
Rabbi BROWN. There was a Cantor CUTLER there also that had my father
travel to NY and sing with him for about one year after he was Bar
Mitzvoh'd. If anyone can help me out with names, addresses, and especially
his Bar Mitzvah date, I would be very appreciative. Is the synagogue still
there? If so, an address would be nice. Thanks
Harriett Baker Quinn
Whitefish, MT


Seeking HERSHFIELD, ROSEN, KOHM, HARTZMAN #general

Larry Hershfield
 

My paternal grandfather David HERSHFIELD, son of Hirsch and Bossa,
emigrated to Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada via Riga in 1907 >from Gubernia
Podolia (shtetl of Nikolayev we believe). Other brothers went to New
York and Argentina. My late aunt corresponded with some relatives,
particularly the family of Harry HERSHFIELD (humorist of Can You Top
This? fame), a Mrs. POLANSKY and others, but contacts petered out long
ago.
I have made some efforts over the years to make some links (and only bad
luck prevented contact with a Helen LEVENE (sp?) of Chicago who is
related). I now have an unexpected opportunity to travel to Argentina
and am reaching out to see if anyone can help me make contact with the
New York, Chicago, Argentina et al branches.

On my mothers' side, I and relatives are actively updating the family
tree of Yecheil and Ratze (1806-1904) ROSEN of Basoliya, Gubernia
Volhynia.

We are also making some efforts to locate family of Chaim Noichim KOHM
and Etle HARTZMAN also of Vohlynia.

Thank you for any help you might provide.

Larry Hershfield


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking HERSHFIELD, ROSEN, KOHM, HARTZMAN #general

Larry Hershfield
 

My paternal grandfather David HERSHFIELD, son of Hirsch and Bossa,
emigrated to Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada via Riga in 1907 >from Gubernia
Podolia (shtetl of Nikolayev we believe). Other brothers went to New
York and Argentina. My late aunt corresponded with some relatives,
particularly the family of Harry HERSHFIELD (humorist of Can You Top
This? fame), a Mrs. POLANSKY and others, but contacts petered out long
ago.
I have made some efforts over the years to make some links (and only bad
luck prevented contact with a Helen LEVENE (sp?) of Chicago who is
related). I now have an unexpected opportunity to travel to Argentina
and am reaching out to see if anyone can help me make contact with the
New York, Chicago, Argentina et al branches.

On my mothers' side, I and relatives are actively updating the family
tree of Yecheil and Ratze (1806-1904) ROSEN of Basoliya, Gubernia
Volhynia.

We are also making some efforts to locate family of Chaim Noichim KOHM
and Etle HARTZMAN also of Vohlynia.

Thank you for any help you might provide.

Larry Hershfield


Seeking: PERLMUTER & SOBEL, NY, early 20th Cent. #general

joyweave@...
 

Hi Folks--

I'm wondering if anyone out there has links to the names PERLMUTER and/
or SOBEL in NY City before about 1925?

My mother told me she had an uncle named PERLMUTTER who was an
auctioneer on Lispanard St and had a son named Sam who was a
pawnbroker. She also mentioned a dentist and a lawyer named SOBEL who
were cousins.

Well, yesterday I ran through Street Directories >from 1898 to 1913 and I
found an auctioneer named Harris PERLMUTER at various lower east side
addresses, but not yet Lispanard. I also found a dentist named Fred
SOBEL and several SOBELs who were lawyers. Joseph SOBEL, in fact, listed
toward the end of my search period as both lawyer and pawnbroker. But
here's what blew me away: In 1903-4, Harris PERLMUTER was working out
of 437 Grand and at the same address, another auctioneer, Hy SOBEL.

So, I think the odds are good that these are my mother's relatives.

My grandmother, Fanny VILNER m. Samuel FEINBERG and came to NY in 1901.
Fanny's father, Leib VILNER, died when she was 3 years old and her
mother remarried. I don't know her step-father's name, but I'm
wondering, given the above if it might have been PERLMUTER or SOBEL and
thus the name of a step-brother, with the other name the married name of
a step-sister.

Fanny said she was >from Grodno and one of my uncles wrote Brisk
(Brest-Litovsk, Belarus) on his WWI Draft. Reg.

Any connections?

Joy Weaver
mailto:joyweave@erols.com

Seeking: Poland (Zaklikow): BLUMBERG, FOGIEL, ROZENEL. Belarus
(Grodno/Brest): FEINBERG, VILNER.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: PERLMUTER & SOBEL, NY, early 20th Cent. #general

joyweave@...
 

Hi Folks--

I'm wondering if anyone out there has links to the names PERLMUTER and/
or SOBEL in NY City before about 1925?

My mother told me she had an uncle named PERLMUTTER who was an
auctioneer on Lispanard St and had a son named Sam who was a
pawnbroker. She also mentioned a dentist and a lawyer named SOBEL who
were cousins.

Well, yesterday I ran through Street Directories >from 1898 to 1913 and I
found an auctioneer named Harris PERLMUTER at various lower east side
addresses, but not yet Lispanard. I also found a dentist named Fred
SOBEL and several SOBELs who were lawyers. Joseph SOBEL, in fact, listed
toward the end of my search period as both lawyer and pawnbroker. But
here's what blew me away: In 1903-4, Harris PERLMUTER was working out
of 437 Grand and at the same address, another auctioneer, Hy SOBEL.

So, I think the odds are good that these are my mother's relatives.

My grandmother, Fanny VILNER m. Samuel FEINBERG and came to NY in 1901.
Fanny's father, Leib VILNER, died when she was 3 years old and her
mother remarried. I don't know her step-father's name, but I'm
wondering, given the above if it might have been PERLMUTER or SOBEL and
thus the name of a step-brother, with the other name the married name of
a step-sister.

Fanny said she was >from Grodno and one of my uncles wrote Brisk
(Brest-Litovsk, Belarus) on his WWI Draft. Reg.

Any connections?

Joy Weaver
mailto:joyweave@erols.com

Seeking: Poland (Zaklikow): BLUMBERG, FOGIEL, ROZENEL. Belarus
(Grodno/Brest): FEINBERG, VILNER.


Re: Updates to SS Index? #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

TomHennie wrote:

Are updates made to the list of the Social Security Death Index? If so,
how does one access these updates? My CD Roms only go through 1996.
Hennie Greenland Omaha, NE
I don't know how often the records are updated, but I found a website with
scads more information than my CDs seemed to have. Found several
ancestors.

It's at www.ancestry.com It'll also let you print a letter right >from the
database, to request the SS file for that person.

Good Luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, GA
propper@bellsouth.net
Researching RINCOVER, HENKIN/GHENKIN, PENSON/PENSAKHINSKY,
SREBERG/SCHRIEBER,
POLLACK, BERLIN (Hilda, Willie)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Updates to SS Index? #general

Hilary Henkin <propper@...>
 

TomHennie wrote:

Are updates made to the list of the Social Security Death Index? If so,
how does one access these updates? My CD Roms only go through 1996.
Hennie Greenland Omaha, NE
I don't know how often the records are updated, but I found a website with
scads more information than my CDs seemed to have. Found several
ancestors.

It's at www.ancestry.com It'll also let you print a letter right >from the
database, to request the SS file for that person.

Good Luck!

Hilary Henkin
Atlanta, GA
propper@bellsouth.net
Researching RINCOVER, HENKIN/GHENKIN, PENSON/PENSAKHINSKY,
SREBERG/SCHRIEBER,
POLLACK, BERLIN (Hilda, Willie)


South Africa to Boston #general

SBWeiner@...
 

In the 1940s a member of my family traveled >from South Africa to
Boston via Trinidad & Tobago.

Good luck with your research!

Susan Weiner
Boston


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen South Africa to Boston #general

SBWeiner@...
 

In the 1940s a member of my family traveled >from South Africa to
Boston via Trinidad & Tobago.

Good luck with your research!

Susan Weiner
Boston


Klen Chelist #general

ADAM1GS@...
 

I recently found my aunt's Petition For Naturalization; and Klen Chelist,
Russia was indicated as place of birth and last place of foreign residence.
I have been unable to locate in WOWW, or on Shtetlseeker. Some family
members believe it was located near Vilna, others believe near Kiev. Does
anyone have any thoughts or suggestions regarding the correct name or
location for Klen Chelist. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Fred Klein
adam1gs@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Klen Chelist #general

ADAM1GS@...
 

I recently found my aunt's Petition For Naturalization; and Klen Chelist,
Russia was indicated as place of birth and last place of foreign residence.
I have been unable to locate in WOWW, or on Shtetlseeker. Some family
members believe it was located near Vilna, others believe near Kiev. Does
anyone have any thoughts or suggestions regarding the correct name or
location for Klen Chelist. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Fred Klein
adam1gs@aol.com


Re: Searching the geneology of the Goil'm from Prague #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

Wish to find out about the ancestry of the 16th century, "Goil'm from
Prague", and whether this illustrious figure left any descendants.

Isn't April Fool's Day a month away?

MODERATOR NOTE : Although April Fool's Day is indeed a month
away, Purim is upon us and the moderator started celebrating
too early...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching the geneology of the Goil'm from Prague #general

Jessica Schein <jesshschein@...>
 

Wish to find out about the ancestry of the 16th century, "Goil'm from
Prague", and whether this illustrious figure left any descendants.

Isn't April Fool's Day a month away?

MODERATOR NOTE : Although April Fool's Day is indeed a month
away, Purim is upon us and the moderator started celebrating
too early...