Date   

Re: Gorodische #belarus

RIOF1@...
 

might your family name not be ZILBERMAN as Zilber is Silver in Yiddish? That
might help you. We are also looking for ZILBER, so pls keep us informed.

Best,

Harriet Riofrio


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Gorodische #belarus

RIOF1@...
 

might your family name not be ZILBERMAN as Zilber is Silver in Yiddish? That
might help you. We are also looking for ZILBER, so pls keep us informed.

Best,

Harriet Riofrio


RAAFF/RAAF/RAFF (South Africa) #general

Graham Sanders <gsanders@...>
 

I am currently researching my family's origins and have had several
references to the above spellings as possibilities. The RAAFF family
arrived in New Zealand c1910, but I can find no reference to them in
South Africa.

Any assistance or guidance would be appreciated. Many thanks

Graham Sanders
gsanders@strategics.co.nz


Berl Katzenelson #general

Miriam Deitcher <deitcher@...>
 

My grandmother Leye Katzenelson says she's related to the famous Berl
Katzenelson. I have a fairly extensive tree for the Katzenelson side of
my family, but have not yet figured out where Berl fits in. Does anyone
know where I might find biographical information on Berl Katzenelson?
Thanks.

Miriam S. Deitcher
Shaker Heights, OH USA
deitcher@nowonline.net

Searching:
SZMULEWICZ (Piotrkow, Belchatow,Sulejow) --> Guadalajara/MexicoCity
KATZENELSON (Minsk) --> Mexico City
DAJCZER (Radomsko)
NOTOVICH/NOTOWICZ/NOTOVITZ (Bialystok)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RAAFF/RAAF/RAFF (South Africa) #general

Graham Sanders <gsanders@...>
 

I am currently researching my family's origins and have had several
references to the above spellings as possibilities. The RAAFF family
arrived in New Zealand c1910, but I can find no reference to them in
South Africa.

Any assistance or guidance would be appreciated. Many thanks

Graham Sanders
gsanders@strategics.co.nz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Berl Katzenelson #general

Miriam Deitcher <deitcher@...>
 

My grandmother Leye Katzenelson says she's related to the famous Berl
Katzenelson. I have a fairly extensive tree for the Katzenelson side of
my family, but have not yet figured out where Berl fits in. Does anyone
know where I might find biographical information on Berl Katzenelson?
Thanks.

Miriam S. Deitcher
Shaker Heights, OH USA
deitcher@nowonline.net

Searching:
SZMULEWICZ (Piotrkow, Belchatow,Sulejow) --> Guadalajara/MexicoCity
KATZENELSON (Minsk) --> Mexico City
DAJCZER (Radomsko)
NOTOVICH/NOTOWICZ/NOTOVITZ (Bialystok)


Latvian microfilms #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

Shalom to all! I want to thank those of you once again who
are sending in
donations. People are beginning to make good on their pledges
and more people
have volunteered and pledged! We also received a letter from
David Hoffman.
David also very kindly offered to share the hard earned
lessons the Litvak Sig
learned when they extracted and set up their searchable
database. This is what
genealogy is all about! Thank you David!

I think I already addressed the comments that my friend Marion
made about the
project in my former posting, and I once again thank Marion
for bringing up
these issues so that we could answer them.

We need some volunteers immediately to read and translate some
written German
pages. These pages are the key to mapping the microfilms into
logical groups,
which will allow cross referencing so that the entire set will
become totally
organised and logical. As you can see, we can already begin
our work
together!

Onward and upward!! Martha


Latvia SIG #Latvia Latvian microfilms #latvia

Martha Lev-Zion <martha@...>
 

Shalom to all! I want to thank those of you once again who
are sending in
donations. People are beginning to make good on their pledges
and more people
have volunteered and pledged! We also received a letter from
David Hoffman.
David also very kindly offered to share the hard earned
lessons the Litvak Sig
learned when they extracted and set up their searchable
database. This is what
genealogy is all about! Thank you David!

I think I already addressed the comments that my friend Marion
made about the
project in my former posting, and I once again thank Marion
for bringing up
these issues so that we could answer them.

We need some volunteers immediately to read and translate some
written German
pages. These pages are the key to mapping the microfilms into
logical groups,
which will allow cross referencing so that the entire set will
become totally
organised and logical. As you can see, we can already begin
our work
together!

Onward and upward!! Martha


Re: latvia digest: February 14, 1999 #latvia

Shirley B. Radding <sradding@...>
 

Latvia SIG digest wrote:

Latvia SIG Digest for Sunday, February 14, 1999.

1. Re: purchase of films
2. Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999
3. 1797 Revision List
4. Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: purchase of films
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:32:17 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

Iris, thanks for your input. We have already ordered the films. We did a study
and found that the cost of buying the entire lot was less than the cost of
doing only the Jewish ones. The problem in Latvia is also that the Jews
lived not just in Jewish concentrations, but on estates throughout the country
and the Jews and gentiles are mixed in the records. There are exclusive Jewish
data, but it is only for the Jews in the cities, and even there it is not
complete. We finally determined that unless we get the whole megilla, we won't
ever have a complete database.

Thanks for your input, though!!

Martha

"Iris B. Sitkin" wrote:

Because I have been spending all my spare time doing data input for
LITVAK.SIG, I haven't stayed up-to-date with Latvia.SIG lists.

You may have gone ahead and made the purchase however, if you have not, I'd
recommend against any purchase in which one had to buy EVERYTHING. My own
experience is that not all the Morman films have data on them that is
useful to us. Instead, I would have volunteers copy the films when they
know they contain useful information. Each volunteer could be reimbursed
the copy costs or that could be their donation to the group. I believe that
is what JRI-POLAND does.

Litvak.SIG purchased Revision Lists. These are more like our census data
and contain information on the entire household (at least those >from 1858
do). Since Jewish and non-jewish revision lists were often (usually, in
fact) separate it is a very practical purchase.

I would not rush to buy something but would take the time to review what
you are purchasing and determine if you will still have enough money
remaining for translations and so forth.

I would contribute to a well thought out plan.

Iris

________________________________________
Iris
iris-macsie@home.com


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Subject: Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999
From: Stanbloom@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:18:16 EST
X-Message-Number: 2

My Check is in the mail---Really!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: 1797 Revision List
From: Marion Werle <werle@pacificnet.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:48:01 -0800
X-Message-Number: 3

(note, this is a response to an e-mail that was forwarded to me by David
Hoffman--it seemed pertinent to the entire Latvia SIG mailing list)

Howard,

The project that Martha is talking about is for a whole series of films,
many of which don't have any Jewish records, and many of which do. It is
not the 1797 Revision list per se, although there are revision lists
included in the collection. I did not realize that you were talking about
this project. I had looked at one of the films for Dvinsk some time ago,
and did not see any Jewish names, but I have not looked at all of them.
Since this is a very large film collection, it will need careful scrutiny.
Kahlile Mehr of the FHC in Salt Lake City was the one who had looked at the
films and provided the preliminary index.

I have mixed feelings about the outright purchase of the films. I realize
that people are eager to get going, but I would prefer to start with a few
specific films on loan >from the FHC, where we know there are Jewish
records, see what we can do with them >from a database standpoint, and then
go >from there. Based on the films I have seen, there is a lot of material,
and it would take YEARS to get through the entire collection. We would be
doing well to pick a few films and get those completely indexed. There are
a couple of films in this series (ones specifically with Jewish records)
that I ordered on permanent loan >from Salt Lake City, which are at the Los
Angeles FHC, and members could order others. It seems to me that someone
needs to do a cost analysis of how much it would be to purchase all the
films outright, relative to the cost of ordering specific films of interest
from the FHL in Salt Lake City, making hard copies, and then distributing
them for translation. Before committing any Latvia SIG funds to this
project, this analysis should be done, especially in light of Joel
Jakobson's recent posting where nine of the twelve films he obtained had no
Jewish names. I have a listing that was the raw material for the Avotaynu
article (it is done film by film, rather than arranged by town), and will
provide a count of those with specifically Jewish records. It is my
feeling that only after we index these films which we know are pertinent,
should we start on the ones which may or may not have what we are looking
for.

I am definitely in favor of the database project, I am still waiting for
someone with database knowledge to step up to the plate and become project
manager for the project. I would love to do it, but I do not have the
time, and I know how much work is involved in such an endeavor. David
Hoffman did an excellent job in a recent posting, listing some of the
issues involved.

I hope this clarifies my position. Martha Lev-Zion is one of my favorite
people, and I did not mean to 'slam' either her or this project.

Regards,
Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:59:39 +0200
X-Message-Number: 4

Stanbloom@aol.com wrote:

My Check is in the mail---Really!
You're cute! Martha

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Please let me know Marian 's address or where to send my check for the
donation for the films.

Shirley Radding


Latvia SIG #Latvia Re: latvia digest: February 14, 1999 #latvia

Shirley B. Radding <sradding@...>
 

Latvia SIG digest wrote:

Latvia SIG Digest for Sunday, February 14, 1999.

1. Re: purchase of films
2. Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999
3. 1797 Revision List
4. Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: purchase of films
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:32:17 +0200
X-Message-Number: 1

Iris, thanks for your input. We have already ordered the films. We did a study
and found that the cost of buying the entire lot was less than the cost of
doing only the Jewish ones. The problem in Latvia is also that the Jews
lived not just in Jewish concentrations, but on estates throughout the country
and the Jews and gentiles are mixed in the records. There are exclusive Jewish
data, but it is only for the Jews in the cities, and even there it is not
complete. We finally determined that unless we get the whole megilla, we won't
ever have a complete database.

Thanks for your input, though!!

Martha

"Iris B. Sitkin" wrote:

Because I have been spending all my spare time doing data input for
LITVAK.SIG, I haven't stayed up-to-date with Latvia.SIG lists.

You may have gone ahead and made the purchase however, if you have not, I'd
recommend against any purchase in which one had to buy EVERYTHING. My own
experience is that not all the Morman films have data on them that is
useful to us. Instead, I would have volunteers copy the films when they
know they contain useful information. Each volunteer could be reimbursed
the copy costs or that could be their donation to the group. I believe that
is what JRI-POLAND does.

Litvak.SIG purchased Revision Lists. These are more like our census data
and contain information on the entire household (at least those >from 1858
do). Since Jewish and non-jewish revision lists were often (usually, in
fact) separate it is a very practical purchase.

I would not rush to buy something but would take the time to review what
you are purchasing and determine if you will still have enough money
remaining for translations and so forth.

I would contribute to a well thought out plan.

Iris

________________________________________
Iris
iris-macsie@home.com


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Subject: Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999
From: Stanbloom@aol.com
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:18:16 EST
X-Message-Number: 2

My Check is in the mail---Really!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: 1797 Revision List
From: Marion Werle <werle@pacificnet.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:48:01 -0800
X-Message-Number: 3

(note, this is a response to an e-mail that was forwarded to me by David
Hoffman--it seemed pertinent to the entire Latvia SIG mailing list)

Howard,

The project that Martha is talking about is for a whole series of films,
many of which don't have any Jewish records, and many of which do. It is
not the 1797 Revision list per se, although there are revision lists
included in the collection. I did not realize that you were talking about
this project. I had looked at one of the films for Dvinsk some time ago,
and did not see any Jewish names, but I have not looked at all of them.
Since this is a very large film collection, it will need careful scrutiny.
Kahlile Mehr of the FHC in Salt Lake City was the one who had looked at the
films and provided the preliminary index.

I have mixed feelings about the outright purchase of the films. I realize
that people are eager to get going, but I would prefer to start with a few
specific films on loan >from the FHC, where we know there are Jewish
records, see what we can do with them >from a database standpoint, and then
go >from there. Based on the films I have seen, there is a lot of material,
and it would take YEARS to get through the entire collection. We would be
doing well to pick a few films and get those completely indexed. There are
a couple of films in this series (ones specifically with Jewish records)
that I ordered on permanent loan >from Salt Lake City, which are at the Los
Angeles FHC, and members could order others. It seems to me that someone
needs to do a cost analysis of how much it would be to purchase all the
films outright, relative to the cost of ordering specific films of interest
from the FHL in Salt Lake City, making hard copies, and then distributing
them for translation. Before committing any Latvia SIG funds to this
project, this analysis should be done, especially in light of Joel
Jakobson's recent posting where nine of the twelve films he obtained had no
Jewish names. I have a listing that was the raw material for the Avotaynu
article (it is done film by film, rather than arranged by town), and will
provide a count of those with specifically Jewish records. It is my
feeling that only after we index these films which we know are pertinent,
should we start on the ones which may or may not have what we are looking
for.

I am definitely in favor of the database project, I am still waiting for
someone with database knowledge to step up to the plate and become project
manager for the project. I would love to do it, but I do not have the
time, and I know how much work is involved in such an endeavor. David
Hoffman did an excellent job in a recent posting, listing some of the
issues involved.

I hope this clarifies my position. Martha Lev-Zion is one of my favorite
people, and I did not mean to 'slam' either her or this project.

Regards,
Marion Werle
President, Latvia SIG

Visit the Latvia SIG web page: <http://www.jewishgen.org/latvia>

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Subject: Re: latvia digest: February 13, 1999
From: Martha Lev-Zion <martha@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:59:39 +0200
X-Message-Number: 4

Stanbloom@aol.com wrote:

My Check is in the mail---Really!
You're cute! Martha

---

END OF DIGEST

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donation for the films.

Shirley Radding


Steven Spielberg Family Tree #general

June528@...
 

Hi Jewish Genners,

I've been following this list for a while, but this is actually the first
post I've sent. I was wondering if anyone has any information on Steven
Spielberg's family. My grandmother is a Spielberg and if you hold his
picture up next to her they look identical.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

June M. Young
Lake Hiawatha, N.J.


Searching: FEDER, SEGAL, ABRAMOWITZ, LEBOWITZ, SCHIOWITZ,
YONKELOVITZ/YANKELOVITZ, SPIELBERG, SCHNEER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Steven Spielberg Family Tree #general

June528@...
 

Hi Jewish Genners,

I've been following this list for a while, but this is actually the first
post I've sent. I was wondering if anyone has any information on Steven
Spielberg's family. My grandmother is a Spielberg and if you hold his
picture up next to her they look identical.

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

June M. Young
Lake Hiawatha, N.J.


Searching: FEDER, SEGAL, ABRAMOWITZ, LEBOWITZ, SCHIOWITZ,
YONKELOVITZ/YANKELOVITZ, SPIELBERG, SCHNEER


Russian forms #belarus

Carlton Brooks <carltonb@...>
 

I have had great success using ADOBE ACROBAT on forms. The form is
scanned and converted to a (.PDF) format. It then can be sent as a file
and read and printed through the ADOBE ACROBAT READER which is available
for free.

Carlton Brooks
carltonb@home.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Carlton, we may ask you to convert a letter to PDF if
someone is able to create it in Russian and Lithuanian. Sound like you
have the software and hardware to do this. Thanks.


Re: Hebrew writing on tombstones #general

Shalom Mandelbaum <shalom_m@...>
 

Traditionally, the parantage and date of death is mentioned. In addition
you may find that the character or specific characteristics of the
person are praised.
In some communities poems are written to prais the memory of the
deceased.
At times the names of family members, who have no place of burial
(holocaust, lost at sea etc..), are metoined on the tombstone too.

Shalom Mandelbaum

"Kenneth J." wrote:

so, generally speaking
what is written on the tombstones in Hebrew? Is it a mere
repitition of the english (names and dates), a prayer, or
possibly something that may help me with genealogical research?


Belarus SIG #Belarus Russian forms #belarus

Carlton Brooks <carltonb@...>
 

I have had great success using ADOBE ACROBAT on forms. The form is
scanned and converted to a (.PDF) format. It then can be sent as a file
and read and printed through the ADOBE ACROBAT READER which is available
for free.

Carlton Brooks
carltonb@home.com

MODERATOR NOTE: Carlton, we may ask you to convert a letter to PDF if
someone is able to create it in Russian and Lithuanian. Sound like you
have the software and hardware to do this. Thanks.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Hebrew writing on tombstones #general

Shalom Mandelbaum <shalom_m@...>
 

Traditionally, the parantage and date of death is mentioned. In addition
you may find that the character or specific characteristics of the
person are praised.
In some communities poems are written to prais the memory of the
deceased.
At times the names of family members, who have no place of burial
(holocaust, lost at sea etc..), are metoined on the tombstone too.

Shalom Mandelbaum

"Kenneth J." wrote:

so, generally speaking
what is written on the tombstones in Hebrew? Is it a mere
repitition of the english (names and dates), a prayer, or
possibly something that may help me with genealogical research?


Free Vital Record Lookups in San Diego!!! #general

Fred & Judy Sheinbein <freds@...>
 

Dear fellow Jewish Genners,

I am a volunteer genealogical researcher here in San Diego, California and
will gladly do marriage and death record lookups for anyone needing this
type of assistance. I visit the County Records Office at least once a week,
as well as, the Central Library and Family History Center.

Please send me your inquiry privately at:

judys@san.rr.com

Judy Schwartz Sheinbein
San Diego, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Free Vital Record Lookups in San Diego!!! #general

Fred & Judy Sheinbein <freds@...>
 

Dear fellow Jewish Genners,

I am a volunteer genealogical researcher here in San Diego, California and
will gladly do marriage and death record lookups for anyone needing this
type of assistance. I visit the County Records Office at least once a week,
as well as, the Central Library and Family History Center.

Please send me your inquiry privately at:

judys@san.rr.com

Judy Schwartz Sheinbein
San Diego, CA


Searching for Missing Persons #belarus

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I have recently had success in tracing my relative >from Grodno, ROSA
STUPEL, through the expert & speedy services of Mrs. Batya Unterschatz at
the Search Bureau for Missing Relatives,
PO Box 92
Jerusalem 91000
Israel
FAX: +972 2-5346573

Miriam Margolyes
<75342.3217@compuserve.com>


Belarus SIG #Belarus Searching for Missing Persons #belarus

Miriam Margolyes <75342.3217@...>
 

I have recently had success in tracing my relative >from Grodno, ROSA
STUPEL, through the expert & speedy services of Mrs. Batya Unterschatz at
the Search Bureau for Missing Relatives,
PO Box 92
Jerusalem 91000
Israel
FAX: +972 2-5346573

Miriam Margolyes
<75342.3217@compuserve.com>