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Re: LOOK-UP? Passaic, NY, USA, GURTMAN, Henry, 1899-1973/Dora, 1899-1958 [POLAND] #usa #poland

The Becker's Email
 

Herald-News, Passaic, NJ 17 Jan. 1958, p. 24
Gurtman, Dora of 242 Sherman St., Passiac,...beloved wife of Henry Gurtman, beloved mother of Mark and Michael and sister-in-law of Max  Gurtman.

Herald-News 17 Jan. 1958, p. 24
Dora Gurtman, 58, of 242 Sherman St., Passaic, died yesterday of an apparent heart attack while riding a public service bus from Clifton to Passaic....Born in Poland, Mrs. Gurtman settled in Passaic 9 years ago...Surviving her are her husband Henry, associated in the Passaic Metal Company, and two sons, Mark of Clifton, and Michael of Lincoln Park.

Herald-News, 12 Dec. 1975, p. 4  (note: findagrave has transcribed the year of death as 1973 which is incorrect)
Henry C. Gurtman,,,Born in Russia, he came to the US 27 years ago....survived by his wife Martha, two sons, Mark of Clifton, Michael of Wayne, two brothers, a sister and four grandchildren.

My source:  newspapers.com

Johanna Becker


Re: Where did "Katya" come from? #ukraine #yiddish #russia #names

David Goldman
 

Hi, Gary. Katya was probably the Russian nickname, referring to the name Yekaterina, while her Jewish name was Gittel and in the US would be Gussie. Jews often had a Russian name in addition to their Jewish name. My grandfather was Yitzchak Yosef, but had the nickname of Yonya.  Similarly someone named Moshe would generically be known by the nickname of Misha. I had a great grandfather named Zvi Hirsh. His Russian nickname was Grisha. His wife was Bella, but her Russian nickname was Betya or Betochka,
David Goldman
NYC


Re: The ancestry of Sarah nee MENDES (b 1791) wife of David JUDA RODRIGUES #unitedkingdom #germany #sephardic

isak@bm.technion.ac.il
 

You should write to Prof. Shalom Sabar:

 

Shalom Sabar shaloms@...

 

 

Prof. Isak Gath MD, DIC, DSc

Faculty of Biomedical Engineering             Tel. Office #972-4-8294115

Technion Israel Institute of Technology             Home #972-4-9835704

32000 Haifa, Israel

 


Re: What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel #usa

Diane Jacobs
 

In 1901 my great grandfather owned a farm in Corinth NY , just outside Saratoga Springs, and in 1910 he had a farm in Noxamixon Township in Bucks County PA.

Diane Jacobs 




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Subject: Re: [JewishGen.org] What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel #usa

Hi,

At the end of the nineteenth century and very early twentieth century, there was an effort to settle Jewish farmers in various places, including the Catskills. As supplements to their income, they opened their homes as boarding houses. That became the germ for the later start of the Borscht Belt. Here is a link describing this early time in South Fallsburg. https://thebaronhirschcommunity.org/the-catskills-farming-the-jewish-alps/#more-2661

There is a book, “Jewish Farmers of the Catskills” by Abraham Lavender and Clarence B Steinberg, for further reading.

There were already trains running back and forth to NYC from this area during this time, so the population was not static, rather fluid going back and forth to Lower East Side, Brooklyn, etc.


Amy Cohen
--
Diane Jacobs, Somerset, New Jersey


Re: Ancestry's Drastic Changes Dash Hopes of Finding Connections #dna

Phil Karlin
 

If you want to get nerdy about it, here's a link to an Ancestry support document supposedly explaining it: https://www.ancestrycdn.com/support/us/2020/08/matchingwhitepaper.pd
They call their algorithm "Timber," and they've been using it for years. Essentially, certain segments, usually smaller but sometimes quite substantial, are not included in your match because they believe they are not indicative of a relationship match between the two people, merely of (in our cases) being Jewish. 

I can see pros and cons to its use. My bigger issue is the opacity of the Ancestry user interface. It could use a chromosome browser. More importantly it doesn't tell you the strength of the other person to the common match. For example, if person X and shows as match through my aunt, it tells me 1800 cM with my aunt (duh), but nothing on the match between aunt and person X. If they share 100 cM, that's interesting. If they share 20, that's something else. 

If they gave you as much information as any of the others you could work with it. But they don't, so we're left Kremlin watching. Ancestry has the biggest number of users, so you need to use it. But it is the inferior product. 

Phil Karlin


Re: Looking for info about Russian emigres who returned to fight for the Bolsheviks in 1917 #records #russia #canada #usa

Ellen
 

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 07:07 PM, <erikagottfried53@...> wrote:
You might reach out to Daniel Soyer, an historian who’s written extensively on American Jewish history and Jewish immigration and also did a study on American Jews who visited the Soviet Union in the 20s and 30s ("Back to the Future: American Jews Visit the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s."Jewish Social Studies. Volume 6, Number 3, Spring/Summer 2000, pp. 124-159) to see if he has any suggestions. 
I would love to read this article, since my grandfather returned to Russia in the 1920s (but went back to the U.S. after less than a year).  Does anyone have institutional access to it?  Thanks.

Ellen Morosoff Pemrick
Saratoga County, NY
 
--
Researching WEISSMAN/VAYSMAN (Ostropol, Ukraine); MOROZ and ESTRIN/ESTERKIN (Shklov & Bykhov, Belarus); LESSER/LESZEROVITZ, MAIMAN, and BARNETT/BEINHART/BERNHART (Lithuania/Latvia); and ROSENSWEIG/ROSENZWEIG, KIRSCHEN, and SCHWARTZ (Botosani, Romania)


DATZ and SATZ Families from Mogilev-Podol'sk #ukraine

Janis and Joe Datz
 

I am trying to figure out the connection between DATZ and SATZ.  Satz continues to match DNA with the Datz family.  All stories told by elders insist that Datz was always spelled this way.  The families are from Mogilev-Podol'sk Ukraine.   Many thanks for any information that would connection the families as well as purpose of name change.  Somewhere in this puzzle is, I believe, surnames of Shatz or the like.

Janis Friedenberg Datz
jjdatz@...


Re: Photo for language identification #photographs #translation

JONES Etienne H.L.F.
 

For information purpose only . .  very expensive fish ?
If the photo is taken after 1946 (and it's assumed given the colour photo), it's undoubtless  2000 HUF (Hungarian forints), reintroduced in Aug 1946. At that time 1Ft approx. = 0.08 USD of 1946, and this conversion factor remained fairly stable for a little over 20 years, then the forint began to depreciate dramatically.
With this conversion factor, a trout would have been priced in the '50s at 2000 * 0.08 / 3 or 4 (3 or 4 medium-sized trout in 1 kg ?) = 40 / 50 USD at the time . . of course impossible ! 
I think the photo is much more recent, and if it's from the last months, as today 1 Ft = approx. 0.003 USD one trout would then be priced at abt 2000 / 300 / 3 or 4  i.e. 1,7 / 2.2 current USD . .  
I find it then very cheap, in Belgium a quality fresh trout of medium size (250 g), locally farmed, is currently priced approx. 3.5 EUR i.e. +/- 4 USD. 

Am I wrong somewhere ?

Kind regards to All,
Etienne JONES
near to Antwerp, Belgium
 


Re: What was Ginsburg & Klausner, S Fallsburg, NY (Catskills) not listed as hotel #usa

indsnw@...
 

Hi,

At the end of the nineteenth century and very early twentieth century, there was an effort to settle Jewish farmers in various places, including the Catskills. As supplements to their income, they opened their homes as boarding houses. That became the germ for the later start of the Borscht Belt. Here is a link describing this early time in South Fallsburg. https://thebaronhirschcommunity.org/the-catskills-farming-the-jewish-alps/#more-2661

There is a book, “Jewish Farmers of the Catskills” by Abraham Lavender and Clarence B Steinberg, for further reading.

There were already trains running back and forth to NYC from this area during this time, so the population was not static, rather fluid going back and forth to Lower East Side, Brooklyn, etc.


Amy Cohen


Vilkove #ukraine

david-peleg@...
 

Anyone have information on the Jews of Vilkove?


Re: Home for Children, Antwerp c. 1947 #general

N. ARONSON
 

This was a home, officialy an orphanage, started by a special couple, Mr Yonah and Mrs Ruth Tiefenbrunner where many Jews found refuge and were saved. It started off in Brussels in 1942. After the war it moved to 22 Lange van Ruusbroecstraat in Antwerp. The home closed in 1960.
A book has been written about the efforts of this courageous couple. It's called "angel of Orphans" by Malky Weinstock and published in 2009 by Targum Press Inc.


Re: Gravestone translation needed from Hebrew for Nathan Fisher (1868-1912) #russia #translation

binyaminkerman@...
 

The names Nosson (Natan in non- ashkenazik pronunciation) and Nota were often paired as an Ashkenazi male name. The second name Nota is usually pronounced "nut-uh" with both vowels making the same u sound as in the word nut. In a chassidik pronouciation it could be more like "Noosen Nooteh".
It's not the same as the more modern Hebrew name Neta which I am only familiar with as a female name.
Binyamin Kerman
Baltimore MD


Re: Naturalizations France #france

JUROVSKY,Catherine
 

Hello Shana
You have to find the date of his naturalization (read further up and Bernard Flam contributions)
Once you have the decree number the files have to be requested on line at the National Archives. You can wait for a month to have the file available and then the file will stay available for 3 weeks approx. But you have to come to read the file in the Archives or send a researcher. The files are not digitalised and they are fragile documents made of all sort of bits and pieces scribbled notes as well as official papers.

Catherine Jurovsky


Re: Where did "Katya" come from? #ukraine #yiddish #russia #names

Jill Whitehead
 

Here in the UK, my aunt was born Bertha Gertrude in early 20th century Liverpool. Her cousin, born in North Wales in 1890, but who went to the USA on marriage was called Bertha Kate. Clearly they were both named after the same relative, and Gertrude and Kate were both from Gittel. I never did find out who they were named after but probably someone in the old country in  Suwalki Gubernia in NE Poland.

JIll Whitehead, Surrey, UK


Re: Gravestone translation needed from Hebrew for Nathan Fisher (1868-1912) #russia #translation

Yariv Timna
 

Actually, the second name (after Nathan), would be Neta in Hebrew.
Yariv Timna


Help locate this Gulag-camp or village listed in post-war record #russia #holocaust

Moses Jefferson
 

Greetings all,

I’ve come across a post-war record (attached) for a great-uncle of mine, who was exiled with his entire family (including my grandparents) to Stalin’s labour camps, know also as GULAG.

The record states (if I interpreted it correctly) that they were interned at Bawao - Siberia, Russia, however I cannot seem to locate this town/village, or any mention of such a place. I hope I didn’t get the spelling wrong! Or perhaps the place got a name change?

This bit of information is vital to me, since my grandparents never mention where they were kept during the war (other than talking about the fact that they worked hard in a village in Siberia).

I would really appreciate any help.

Best, Moses Jefferson
London, England 


Re: LOOK-UP? Passaic, NY, USA, GURTMAN, Henry, 1899-1973/Dora, 1899-1958 [POLAND] #usa #poland

Sherri Bobish
 


Michael,

Try searching this free site of old digitized newspapers.
www.fultonhistory.com

You can search by name, or address.

The surname GURTMAN appears often in The Jewish Community News (Clifton, NJ.)  Also in Paterson newspapers, and others.

Names at Riverside Cem. in Saddle Brook can be searched at:
https://www.riversidecemetery.org/lookup

Some of the names you mention are listed on The Passaic County Clerk's Office database of naturalizations:
http://records.passaiccountynj.org/press/Clerk/ClerkHomePB.aspx?op=basic
You can view the document itself at the above site.

Regards,

Sherri Bobish


Re: Gravestone translation needed from Hebrew for Nathan Fisher (1868-1912) #russia #translation

Dubin, David M. MD
 

Top: my dear husband
inside star: here lies (abbreviation)
our teacher, Rabbi (abbreviation which often but not always means he was a rabbi)
Natan (in Ashkenazic Hebrew Nosson) Nota son of Avraham
died 5 Tishri 5672
mat his soul be bound in the bonds of everlasting life (abbreviation)

David Dubin


1862 Pogrebishche Draft List #ukraine

jskarf@...
 

For researchers interested in the Ukrainian town of Pogrebishche:
 
An 1862 list of draft-eligible men was recently posted online by Alex Krakovsky. The document begins with an index to family heads and is followed by family-by-family lists. Anyone who finds a surname of interest in the index can turn to the appropriate page and see the names of people in each family. 
Gennady Shmukler very kindly translated the index of the names, and I have added this index as a downloadable excel file to the Pogrebishche Kehlilalinks page, under the research heading. The file can be downloaded here. Many thanks to Gennady. Anyone who is interested can download the list, which contains a link at the top to the document on Alex Krakovsky's wiki page, and proceed with their research accordingly. 
 
Sincerely,
 
Joshua Skarf
Pogrebishche town leader 
Researching SHKAROVSKY (Pogrebishche and Bila Tserkva), SPIVAK (Tetiev and Bila Tserkva), WEXELMAN (Uman), GERBER (Shepetikva and Ladyzhinka), and BARABAK (Pogrebishche, Zhivotov) 


Re: Gravestone translation needed from Hebrew for Nathan Fisher (1868-1912) #russia #translation

Daniel Teichman
 

It starts with:
Here rests my beloved husband
our teacher the rabbi
Nathan Nute son of Abraham

Remarks:
1. "our teacher the rabbi" does not necessarily have to be the title of a rabbi but is often used as honorary title for a learned person.
2.  As the inscription on the grave is without vowels, we can't know for sure how the name was spelled in the case of Nathan Fisher, but in those cases I have seen the name combined with Nathan, it is usually spelled Nute, not Nota.

Daniel Teichman

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