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Re: Name SHNEUR ZALMAN and Name Changes #general

David Goldman
 

I want to thank everyone who offered input into the question of the name
Shneur Zalman. Some of us had ancestors who were of the same generation in
areas of Ukraine not part of the original Lubavitch area in White Russia. It
also sounds as if there indeed was migration southward into Ukraine in the
early 19th century when there was some kind of economic expansion in
Ukraine. That could suggest that my ancestor Shneur Zalman KRASINSKY was
either born in White Russia or his his parents were.

His son, my great-grandfather married his wife Sarah FUKS who was >from the
town of Khmelnitsky/Proskurov, or at least a Jewish shtetl in that area.

I also want to thank everyone who offered very interesting input on the name
changes upon emigration. The first one to use the name GRUBERMAN was my
great-grandfather's older brother, who migrated to Manchester about 2 or 3
years earlier than my great-grandfather. A second brother took the name
GOLDMAN on the way to Manchester, and then my great grandfather used
GRUBERMAN too. However they did it in those days (buying exit permits,
bribing officials to issue permits with alternative names etc.), it sure
wasn't as tough as we have it today with or embedded chips etc. in
passports!

David Goldman
NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Name SHNEUR ZALMAN and Name Changes #general

David Goldman
 

I want to thank everyone who offered input into the question of the name
Shneur Zalman. Some of us had ancestors who were of the same generation in
areas of Ukraine not part of the original Lubavitch area in White Russia. It
also sounds as if there indeed was migration southward into Ukraine in the
early 19th century when there was some kind of economic expansion in
Ukraine. That could suggest that my ancestor Shneur Zalman KRASINSKY was
either born in White Russia or his his parents were.

His son, my great-grandfather married his wife Sarah FUKS who was >from the
town of Khmelnitsky/Proskurov, or at least a Jewish shtetl in that area.

I also want to thank everyone who offered very interesting input on the name
changes upon emigration. The first one to use the name GRUBERMAN was my
great-grandfather's older brother, who migrated to Manchester about 2 or 3
years earlier than my great-grandfather. A second brother took the name
GOLDMAN on the way to Manchester, and then my great grandfather used
GRUBERMAN too. However they did it in those days (buying exit permits,
bribing officials to issue permits with alternative names etc.), it sure
wasn't as tough as we have it today with or embedded chips etc. in
passports!

David Goldman
NYC


Re: South Jersey Jewish marriage records #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Stephen Pickholtz
This marriage took place between 1891 and 1910. The area where it might have
taken place is Salem County New Jersey in and around the numerous Jewish farming
colonies of that time.
Ever time I see a question like this my first though is have you tried to narrow
the time range?

For example for this search:

Starting with the 1900 US Census were they listed as married? How about the 1910
US Census? How about the 1905 NJ State census? (New Jersey also did a state
census in 1895 but that one is harder to work with and I am not sure it covered
every place.)

I do not know the resources specific to the NJ farming communities like city
directories, etc. that might also help to fill in some of the dates.

Of course the birth of a child would also help establish wedding dates.

Narrowing the time range with other available sources is always key to making
one of these searches easier to conduct.

Once you have a narrower time range I would say the best bet is to go to the NJ
State Archives because they have all the counties, etc. and of course consider
the fact that the name is incorrectly spelt as NJ sorts their records off the
family name not soundex or index.

The marriage might also not be in the specific county you think they lived in so
if need be good broader especially if you know where other family members might
have lived. It might even be in New York City or Philadelphia or ......

Of course there is a chance that it was only recorded as a religious ceremony
especially since they might have been in a rural area that made it more
difficult to file records with the State. But the only way to be certain is
going to be to check the State's records.

I am sure some of the other readers can offer thoughts specific to the NJ
farming communities -- my comments are more generic when anyone runs into the
issue of a missing record like this one.

Allan Jordan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: South Jersey Jewish marriage records #general

A. E. Jordan
 

From: Stephen Pickholtz
This marriage took place between 1891 and 1910. The area where it might have
taken place is Salem County New Jersey in and around the numerous Jewish farming
colonies of that time.
Ever time I see a question like this my first though is have you tried to narrow
the time range?

For example for this search:

Starting with the 1900 US Census were they listed as married? How about the 1910
US Census? How about the 1905 NJ State census? (New Jersey also did a state
census in 1895 but that one is harder to work with and I am not sure it covered
every place.)

I do not know the resources specific to the NJ farming communities like city
directories, etc. that might also help to fill in some of the dates.

Of course the birth of a child would also help establish wedding dates.

Narrowing the time range with other available sources is always key to making
one of these searches easier to conduct.

Once you have a narrower time range I would say the best bet is to go to the NJ
State Archives because they have all the counties, etc. and of course consider
the fact that the name is incorrectly spelt as NJ sorts their records off the
family name not soundex or index.

The marriage might also not be in the specific county you think they lived in so
if need be good broader especially if you know where other family members might
have lived. It might even be in New York City or Philadelphia or ......

Of course there is a chance that it was only recorded as a religious ceremony
especially since they might have been in a rural area that made it more
difficult to file records with the State. But the only way to be certain is
going to be to check the State's records.

I am sure some of the other readers can offer thoughts specific to the NJ
farming communities -- my comments are more generic when anyone runs into the
issue of a missing record like this one.

Allan Jordan


Re: Polish Patronymic Question re: ELIOWICZ #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

It is a common polish translation for "son of Eli". Many such polish surname
suffixes, like -ski, mean "son of."

Another mystery solved involved a given name. When I saw the name of a
Holocaust survivor named Izraela Terner, I though it was a girl. While I don't
recall the language, I was told it meant "son of Izrael." I knew of my great
uncle Izrael Terner; not the names of his children.

Names have very interesting meanings, especially in different cultures and
languages.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Polish Patronymic Question re: ELIOWICZ #general

Shelley Mitchell
 

It is a common polish translation for "son of Eli". Many such polish surname
suffixes, like -ski, mean "son of."

Another mystery solved involved a given name. When I saw the name of a
Holocaust survivor named Izraela Terner, I though it was a girl. While I don't
recall the language, I was told it meant "son of Izrael." I knew of my great
uncle Izrael Terner; not the names of his children.

Names have very interesting meanings, especially in different cultures and
languages.

Shelley Mitchell


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #general

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End?" starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #general

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, "Brick Wall or Dead End?" starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
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Frustrated and at a Loss? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
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Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Le Havre Passenger lists--new resource? #general

montereybayrob@...
 

Jewishgenners,

I don't know how useful this is, but this link came up in an online
genealogy newsletter.

http://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2016/07/celebrate-le-havre-departing-passenger-lists-are-online.html
[MOD.NOTE: shortened URL - http://goo.gl/r5wXYk ]

Perhaps, someone fluent in French could assess the utility and
navigation of the site.

Rob Weisskirch
Marina, CA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Le Havre Passenger lists--new resource? #general

montereybayrob@...
 

Jewishgenners,

I don't know how useful this is, but this link came up in an online
genealogy newsletter.

http://french-genealogy.typepad.com/genealogie/2016/07/celebrate-le-havre-departing-passenger-lists-are-online.html
[MOD.NOTE: shortened URL - http://goo.gl/r5wXYk ]

Perhaps, someone fluent in French could assess the utility and
navigation of the site.

Rob Weisskirch
Marina, CA


Viewmate image 49780 identification help needed #hungary

palmpeebs@...
 

Hello, all,
There is an Israeli general to the right of my father in this picture,
taken in Haifa sometime between 1948 and 1956, and I would appreciate
some help with identification. Thank you in advance for your help.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM49780

--

Preeva Tramiel
<snip>

Moderator: Please use ViewMate to respond. Sender's private phone number has been
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Hungary SIG #Hungary Viewmate image 49780 identification help needed #hungary

palmpeebs@...
 

Hello, all,
There is an Israeli general to the right of my father in this picture,
taken in Haifa sometime between 1948 and 1956, and I would appreciate
some help with identification. Thank you in advance for your help.

http://www.jewishgen.org/viewmate/viewmateview.asp?key=VM49780

--

Preeva Tramiel
<snip>

Moderator: Please use ViewMate to respond. Sender's private phone number has been
deleted per JewishGen guidelines.


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #poland

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
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Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


BialyGen: Bialystok Region #Bialystok #Poland JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #poland

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #lodz #poland

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


Lodz Area Research Group #Lodz #Poland JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #lodz #poland

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #lithuania

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education

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Lithuania SIG #Lithuania JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #lithuania

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education

MODERATOR'S NOTE: LitvakSIG is an independent organization whose
database and discussion group are hosted by JewishGen. Each group
has its own, separate administrative and fundraising structure.


JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #poland

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Just a reminder that Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
is an independent organization whose database, discussion group and
website are hosted by JewishGen. Each group has its own, separate
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JRI Poland #Poland JewishGen Education Class Sept 9-30 #poland

Nancy Holden
 

JewishGen offers the popular class, Brick Wall or Dead End?, starting
September 9 for researchers who are at a standstill in their research
and need new ideas.

Frustrated and at a Loss ? Are you at a Dead End or just experiencing a
Brick Wall? Are you stumped by a small detail or is there a major avenue
you can't get passed?

Take a class to help review and analyze your data with an instructor. If
you feel you have you exhausted all approaches and want new solutions,
this class offers one-on-one mentoring in an educational forum setting
open 24/7.

September 9 - September 30. Tuition is $125.

Requirements: Students must have done enough research to have reached a
point where help is needed. Students should feel comfortable with
computers and Internet searches.

An application is required. See details Requirements & Course Details
www.JewishGen.org/education

If you have further questions, please email
JewishGen-Education@lyris.JewishGen.org

Phyllis Kramer, VP, Education
Nancy Holden, Instruction Manager
www.JewishGen.org/education

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Just a reminder that Jewish Records Indexing-Poland
is an independent organization whose database, discussion group and
website are hosted by JewishGen. Each group has its own, separate
administrative and fundraising structure.

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