The moderator wrote concerning the relevance of Hebrew (or Yiddish)
pronunciation to genealogy:

MODERATOR NOTE: The original question was allowed because it was
deemed of genealogical value. The pronunciation of a word, when
transliterated into English or another language might change it
enough to make it difficult for a researcher to link it to a known
family name. ... Snipped...

Apart >from the aspect of difficulty in matching names because of different
pronunciations, there is another relevance to genealogy which hopefully
has been exemplified in this thread. This is the ability to *sometimes*
locate the whereabouts of the ancestry of a person by the way he prays.
*sometimes* - This is probably much more common with the older generations,
because often, nowadays, a person is taught differently to his paternal
tradition.
For example: My grandfather's ashkenazi pronunciation nuances might possibly
be matched to others >from the Bialystok region, as he could have been taught
directly by his father. This would be untrue of my father and myself,
who were taught by others in our pre-bar-mitzva days.

David Ziants <davidz@netmedia.net.il>
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

ZIANTS was originally ZENETSKI >from Narewka, and also searching ISHMA
(became DAVIDSON) >from this town.

The moderator wrote concerning the relevance of Hebrew (or Yiddish)
pronunciation to genealogy:

MODERATOR NOTE: The original question was allowed because it was
deemed of genealogical value. The pronunciation of a word, when
transliterated into English or another language might change it
enough to make it difficult for a researcher to link it to a known
family name. ... Snipped...

Apart >from the aspect of difficulty in matching names because of different
pronunciations, there is another relevance to genealogy which hopefully
has been exemplified in this thread. This is the ability to *sometimes*
locate the whereabouts of the ancestry of a person by the way he prays.
*sometimes* - This is probably much more common with the older generations,
because often, nowadays, a person is taught differently to his paternal
tradition.
For example: My grandfather's ashkenazi pronunciation nuances might possibly
be matched to others >from the Bialystok region, as he could have been taught
directly by his father. This would be untrue of my father and myself,
who were taught by others in our pre-bar-mitzva days.

David Ziants <davidz@netmedia.net.il>
Ma'aleh Adumim, Israel

ZIANTS was originally ZENETSKI >from Narewka, and also searching ISHMA
(became DAVIDSON) >from this town.

I understand that Shtetl Seeker (which I've used very
infrequently) can list a town under several spellings -
some more official than others.

It explains that those labelled "N" and "C" are official
(one local and one what we consider normative), while
"V" means "former names, minority language names or
variations..."

So one would think that every town listed would have at
least one "C" or "N." So howcum Rozdol (now Ukraine) has
only listings that are considered variant. Don't the
governments call it something??

Israel Pickholtz
(Rozdol is probably ground zero for every Pi(c)khol(t)z/c
who ever lived. We are chasing all of them.)

I understand that Shtetl Seeker (which I've used very
infrequently) can list a town under several spellings -
some more official than others.

It explains that those labelled "N" and "C" are official
(one local and one what we consider normative), while
"V" means "former names, minority language names or
variations..."

So one would think that every town listed would have at
least one "C" or "N." So howcum Rozdol (now Ukraine) has
only listings that are considered variant. Don't the
governments call it something??

Israel Pickholtz
(Rozdol is probably ground zero for every Pi(c)khol(t)z/c
who ever lived. We are chasing all of them.)

A letter to one of our members >from Dr. Rainer Egger, Director
of the War Archive in Vienna, contains information relevant
to some past discussions on this list.

1) If I have translated the German correctly, Herr Egger states
that individual service records of military personnel >from outside
the borders of modern-day Austria are not in the Archive.
Per the St. Germain Peace Treaty of 1919, these records--including
those for Polish and Ukrainian Galicia--remained in the custody
of the countries in which they were located after the fall of the
Habsburg monarchy, and were by and large destroyed.

2) _The Handbook of the Austro-Hungarian Army in War, June 1918_,
published by the British War Office, was reprinted in 1994
by Battery Press, and is currently available. Herr Egger quoted

from the book to explain our member's ancestor's status of "ersatz

reservist."

Renee Steinig
JGS of Long Island
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

A letter to one of our members >from Dr. Rainer Egger, Director
of the War Archive in Vienna, contains information relevant
to some past discussions on this list.

1) If I have translated the German correctly, Herr Egger states
that individual service records of military personnel >from outside
the borders of modern-day Austria are not in the Archive.
Per the St. Germain Peace Treaty of 1919, these records--including
those for Polish and Ukrainian Galicia--remained in the custody
of the countries in which they were located after the fall of the
Habsburg monarchy, and were by and large destroyed.

2) _The Handbook of the Austro-Hungarian Army in War, June 1918_,
published by the British War Office, was reprinted in 1994
by Battery Press, and is currently available. Herr Egger quoted

from the book to explain our member's ancestor's status of "ersatz

reservist."

Renee Steinig
JGS of Long Island
RSteinig@suffolk.lib.ny.us

Dear Genners,

I just received a sobering and sad reply to my letter to Yad Vashem
enquiring about my relatives >from the Lemberg area, most of whom perished during WWII. The response was more than I'd anticipated and beyond words.

One person whose records they found was named Thun Leopold Loewenkron...I
dont know what to make of the name Thun...at first I thought it might be a
title or description, as it doesnt seem like a name, but then I thought it
might be a misspelling....any suggestions? Jane Lowenkron Foss, NYC

Dear Genners,

I just received a sobering and sad reply to my letter to Yad Vashem
enquiring about my relatives >from the Lemberg area, most of whom perished during WWII. The response was more than I'd anticipated and beyond words.

One person whose records they found was named Thun Leopold Loewenkron...I
dont know what to make of the name Thun...at first I thought it might be a
title or description, as it doesnt seem like a name, but then I thought it
might be a misspelling....any suggestions? Jane Lowenkron Foss, NYC

Would those of you researching Spisske Podhradie (Szepesvaralja) please
contact me privately about the renovation of the cemetery and synagogue
there.

Barbara Kaufman
Mt. Vernon, NY

Would those of you researching Spisske Podhradie (Szepesvaralja) please
contact me privately about the renovation of the cemetery and synagogue
there.

Barbara Kaufman
Mt. Vernon, NY

I had my local Family History Center order me 6 microfilms of early Austro
Hungarian mililtary records after reading a fiche by a FHC researcher who
microfilmed all 1500 records, which cover about 150 years of Austro Hungarian
military records...it is very tedious to read them and in order to narrow down
your search for relatives, you must single out the area they lived in, the
approximate time they would have been of draftable age, and what branch of the
service (cavalry, army, etc) they were likely to have been...in 6 microfilms I
located one probable relative...if anyone is curious to see what the records
look like, bring up "AUSTRIA", then military records, and they will come up on
the screen by large spans of years, areas (mine was Lemberg) and service
branch...for more information, email me personally. Jane Lowenkron Foss

I had my local Family History Center order me 6 microfilms of early Austro
Hungarian mililtary records after reading a fiche by a FHC researcher who
microfilmed all 1500 records, which cover about 150 years of Austro Hungarian
military records...it is very tedious to read them and in order to narrow down
your search for relatives, you must single out the area they lived in, the
approximate time they would have been of draftable age, and what branch of the
service (cavalry, army, etc) they were likely to have been...in 6 microfilms I
located one probable relative...if anyone is curious to see what the records
look like, bring up "AUSTRIA", then military records, and they will come up on
the screen by large spans of years, areas (mine was Lemberg) and service
branch...for more information, email me personally. Jane Lowenkron Foss

I have posted a similar message before, but I have some new information
that someone might connect with.

The 1920 New Jersey Soundex lists a Meyer FREEDMAN on Garden St. in
Hoboken. He was fifty at the time. Wife, Emma. Children, Anna and
Morris. I'm hoping he is the "lost" brother of my grandfather's.

Sue Seales, North Carolina
researching:
FREEDMAN, Siluva, BOYARSKY,Grodno, ROSENTHAL, BLUESTEIN, Wegrow,
ROSENTHAL,ZELENY,Odessa

I have posted a similar message before, but I have some new information
that someone might connect with.

The 1920 New Jersey Soundex lists a Meyer FREEDMAN on Garden St. in
Hoboken. He was fifty at the time. Wife, Emma. Children, Anna and
Morris. I'm hoping he is the "lost" brother of my grandfather's.

Sue Seales, North Carolina
researching:
FREEDMAN, Siluva, BOYARSKY,Grodno, ROSENTHAL, BLUESTEIN, Wegrow,
ROSENTHAL,ZELENY,Odessa

Meeting: Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
Date: Sunday, December 6, 1998
Time: 10:00 AM
Place: Greater Miami Jewish Federation Building
4200 Biscayne Boulevard
Miami, FL
Topic: Philipp GOLDMANN, author of Origin and History of the Family and
Branches of the Berliners of Hanover 1720-1997, will be sharing his expertise
in family research in German-speaking countries in Europe.

Our member, Philipp GOLDMANN, author of Origin and History of the Family and
Branches of the Berliners of Hanover 1720-1997, will be sharing his expertise
in family research in German-speaking countries in Europe. These countries will
include Germany, Austria, Switzerland and former members of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire. Phil, fluent in German, has traveled to these areas.
It has given him a familiarity with the treasures of research which are
available there. This could prove to be a most valuable session for all who
attend. See you there.

Ther JGS of Greater Miami invites you to attend their next meeting at the
Greater Miami Jewish Federation Building, 4200 Biscayne Blvd., Miami, FL, on
Sunday, December 6, 1998, at 10:00 AM.

Admission is FREE. Free secure parking is available. Coffee will be served.

For further information, please call Doris Frank at 305-388-9032 or email
privately to dofrank@aol.com


Doris SHAPIRO Frank (dofrank@aol.com)

Meeting: Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Miami
Date: Sunday, December 6, 1998
Time: 10:00 AM
Place: Greater Miami Jewish Federation Building
4200 Biscayne Boulevard
Miami, FL
Topic: Philipp GOLDMANN, author of Origin and History of the Family and
Branches of the Berliners of Hanover 1720-1997, will be sharing his expertise
in family research in German-speaking countries in Europe.

Our member, Philipp GOLDMANN, author of Origin and History of the Family and
Branches of the Berliners of Hanover 1720-1997, will be sharing his expertise
in family research in German-speaking countries in Europe. These countries will
include Germany, Austria, Switzerland and former members of the
Austro-Hungarian Empire. Phil, fluent in German, has traveled to these areas.
It has given him a familiarity with the treasures of research which are
available there. This could prove to be a most valuable session for all who
attend. See you there.

Ther JGS of Greater Miami invites you to attend their next meeting at the
Greater Miami Jewish Federation Building, 4200 Biscayne Blvd., Miami, FL, on
Sunday, December 6, 1998, at 10:00 AM.

Admission is FREE. Free secure parking is available. Coffee will be served.

For further information, please call Doris Frank at 305-388-9032 or email
privately to dofrank@aol.com


Doris SHAPIRO Frank (dofrank@aol.com)

Here are a few ancestral shtetlech - searching for fellow descendants.


Lewis Baratz
fioccoNO_ME_SPAM@sprintmail.com (to reply directly, ignore the NO_ME_SPAM)

Here are a few ancestral shtetlech - searching for fellow descendants.


Lewis Baratz
fioccoNO_ME_SPAM@sprintmail.com (to reply directly, ignore the NO_ME_SPAM)

I have a Question about a ship manifest. It states that my G-grandfathers
place of birth is Skoislowitz, Russia. Last address is Sroislowitz, Russia.
He leaves behind his Uncle in Minsk Swislawitz, Russia. Can anyone shed any
light as to where he came From? I would appreciate it. Gail

I have a Question about a ship manifest. It states that my G-grandfathers
place of birth is Skoislowitz, Russia. Last address is Sroislowitz, Russia.
He leaves behind his Uncle in Minsk Swislawitz, Russia. Can anyone shed any
light as to where he came From? I would appreciate it. Gail