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KRUSHAN? #lithuania

Rodney Falk <rfalk@...>
 

Can anyone help locate a Lithuanian Shtetl by the name of Krushan? I cannot
find it in Yahadut Lita or other boks and suspect the name is incorrect. It
was definitely a border town tho which borderis unclear.

Many thanks,

Rodney Falk


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania KRUSHAN? #lithuania

Rodney Falk <rfalk@...>
 

Can anyone help locate a Lithuanian Shtetl by the name of Krushan? I cannot
find it in Yahadut Lita or other boks and suspect the name is incorrect. It
was definitely a border town tho which borderis unclear.

Many thanks,

Rodney Falk


Re: Thank you #general

Curiousyl@...
 

In a message dated 98-12-13 20:44:25 EST, you write:

<<
ANNE LAPEDUS BREST. Sandton South Africa. (ex DUBLIN, IRELAND)
Researching: : LAPEDUS/LAPIDUS (all spellings) Lithuania,
Latvia,Poland.

BREST - Bauska, Latvia.
LEIBOWITZ - Pikeleh ( researching together
with Aviva Ne'eman, Israel) >>


Anne -

Are you familiar with Shmuel Bernstein's research of BREST?

copy of his research area:

Shmuel Bernstein
Email-shmuelbe@netvision.net.il

(MODERATOR'S NOTE: Snail mail address deleted to maintain privacy of living person. Please contact sender of message if you need Shmuel Bernstein's
snail mail address.)


My site is: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Paradise/4436
Searching:Applebaum-Brest->N.Y->Israel
Bernstein-Sochochin->N.Y/Mexico
Morgenstern-Bialistok->N.Y/Israel
Bakun-Brest->N.Y/Israel
Lifshitz->Warsaw/Sochochin

Hope this helps both of you.

Sylvia


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Thank you #lithuania

Curiousyl@...
 

In a message dated 98-12-13 20:44:25 EST, you write:

<<
ANNE LAPEDUS BREST. Sandton South Africa. (ex DUBLIN, IRELAND)
Researching: : LAPEDUS/LAPIDUS (all spellings) Lithuania,
Latvia,Poland.

BREST - Bauska, Latvia.
LEIBOWITZ - Pikeleh ( researching together
with Aviva Ne'eman, Israel) >>


Anne -

Are you familiar with Shmuel Bernstein's research of BREST?

copy of his research area:

Shmuel Bernstein
Email-shmuelbe@netvision.net.il

(MODERATOR'S NOTE: Snail mail address deleted to maintain privacy of living person. Please contact sender of message if you need Shmuel Bernstein's
snail mail address.)


My site is: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Paradise/4436
Searching:Applebaum-Brest->N.Y->Israel
Bernstein-Sochochin->N.Y/Mexico
Morgenstern-Bialistok->N.Y/Israel
Bakun-Brest->N.Y/Israel
Lifshitz->Warsaw/Sochochin

Hope this helps both of you.

Sylvia


Re: Help with name.... #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote in message <228ae572.367143f9@aol.com>...
In a message dated 98-12-11 04:56:28 EST, lsaegert@erols.com writes:

<< When my GF came to this country in 1876 he took the name SILVERSTEIN,
but my late mother told me that was NOT his name, that his name was
....
Now, this is phonetic, remember that her first language was Yiddish,
but she did not have an accent. She pronounced it like this...SAYFET,
stressing the final "T"
Now...her married name was SAEGERT and she said that they sounded so
similar! >>

Don't ignore the possibility his name was Seifert, meaning a soap maker.
Not an uncommon trade among Jews; my gggf was one! Also try SAYFET on
Shtettelseeker, all countries, phonetic. You may come up with a location
from which his family took its name.
Michael Bernet, New York

Personally, I think trying to use Shtetl Seeker for something like this is
an incredible longshot; first because the name may NOT have been taken from
a place name; and second, because someone immigrating in the 1870's form
the Russian Empire would not have selected his surname. That would
probably have been done in the time of his father, or perhaps even his
grandfather.

However, once you have a phonetic rendering of a surname and an origin in
the Russian Empire, it is easy to use the phonetic index of Beider's
"Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire" and its companion
volume for the Kingdom of Poland, to locate some possibilities. I stress
these are only _possibilities_, and also that spelling is "odd" by American
standards because of transliteration in modern times >from Cyrillic. Our
ancestors who did their own transliteration in the late 19th and early 20th
century rarely if ever followed the transliteration conventions of the late
20th century academics.

Using the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex, SEYFET codes to 473000. Possible
surnames include:

SHEJFET and variants (Beider uses a "J" where American forms would use an
"I" in many cases, so think of this as SHEIFOT) It is derived from
"shoyhet", the Hebrew word for a ritual slaughterer, according to Beider.

SHABAT, a variant of SHABAD which in turn is an abbreviation for the Hebrew
"Sholijah Beyjs Dijn" meaning "messenger of rabbinical court"


Good Luck

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@Worldnet.att.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help with name.... #general

Peter Zavon <pzavon@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote in message <228ae572.367143f9@aol.com>...
In a message dated 98-12-11 04:56:28 EST, lsaegert@erols.com writes:

<< When my GF came to this country in 1876 he took the name SILVERSTEIN,
but my late mother told me that was NOT his name, that his name was
....
Now, this is phonetic, remember that her first language was Yiddish,
but she did not have an accent. She pronounced it like this...SAYFET,
stressing the final "T"
Now...her married name was SAEGERT and she said that they sounded so
similar! >>

Don't ignore the possibility his name was Seifert, meaning a soap maker.
Not an uncommon trade among Jews; my gggf was one! Also try SAYFET on
Shtettelseeker, all countries, phonetic. You may come up with a location
from which his family took its name.
Michael Bernet, New York

Personally, I think trying to use Shtetl Seeker for something like this is
an incredible longshot; first because the name may NOT have been taken from
a place name; and second, because someone immigrating in the 1870's form
the Russian Empire would not have selected his surname. That would
probably have been done in the time of his father, or perhaps even his
grandfather.

However, once you have a phonetic rendering of a surname and an origin in
the Russian Empire, it is easy to use the phonetic index of Beider's
"Dictionary of Jewish Surnames >from the Russian Empire" and its companion
volume for the Kingdom of Poland, to locate some possibilities. I stress
these are only _possibilities_, and also that spelling is "odd" by American
standards because of transliteration in modern times >from Cyrillic. Our
ancestors who did their own transliteration in the late 19th and early 20th
century rarely if ever followed the transliteration conventions of the late
20th century academics.

Using the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex, SEYFET codes to 473000. Possible
surnames include:

SHEJFET and variants (Beider uses a "J" where American forms would use an
"I" in many cases, so think of this as SHEIFOT) It is derived from
"shoyhet", the Hebrew word for a ritual slaughterer, according to Beider.

SHABAT, a variant of SHABAD which in turn is an abbreviation for the Hebrew
"Sholijah Beyjs Dijn" meaning "messenger of rabbinical court"


Good Luck

Peter Zavon
Penfield, NY
PZAVON@Worldnet.att.net


Re: What's In A Name #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

<< On my father's immigration papers the last name is listed with the
suffix "zky" but on his aunt's papers the same name has the suffix "skaia".
Is this a masculine vs. feminine form? >>

Yes, it is. If the male's last name ends in "zky" , "sky" the female's last
name will end in "zkaia", "skaia".
NIZOVSKY - NIZOVSKAIA
If the male's last name ends in "ov", "in", the female's last name will
end in "ova", "ina".
IVANOV - IVANOVA.
SINITSIN - SINITSINA.
On many occasions males and females last names have the same ending.
FRIEDLIAND - FRIEDLIAND
GREENBERG - GREENBERG
NOYSHTADT- NOYSHTADT
POCHEVER - POCHEVER
etc.
Usually such names are not of Russian origin.
Mark Grekin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What's In A Name #general

MarkGrekin <markgrekin@...>
 

<< On my father's immigration papers the last name is listed with the
suffix "zky" but on his aunt's papers the same name has the suffix "skaia".
Is this a masculine vs. feminine form? >>

Yes, it is. If the male's last name ends in "zky" , "sky" the female's last
name will end in "zkaia", "skaia".
NIZOVSKY - NIZOVSKAIA
If the male's last name ends in "ov", "in", the female's last name will
end in "ova", "ina".
IVANOV - IVANOVA.
SINITSIN - SINITSINA.
On many occasions males and females last names have the same ending.
FRIEDLIAND - FRIEDLIAND
GREENBERG - GREENBERG
NOYSHTADT- NOYSHTADT
POCHEVER - POCHEVER
etc.
Usually such names are not of Russian origin.
Mark Grekin


Re: What's In A Name #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

GojuMom@aol.com wrote:

On my father's immigration papers the last name is listed with the suffix
"zky" but on his aunt's papers the same name has the suffix "skaia".
Is this a masculine vs. feminine form?
Thanks,
JoAnne Vanett
Ambler, Pa
Thats right. In Poland: (Mr) Kowalski wife is (Mrs) Kowalska, and
daughter is (Miss)Kowalskowna, suffixes are describing sex (male/female
and female unmarried status, where the last form is treated nowadays as
discriminatory, but it can be often found in the old documents.

In Russia: (Mr)Chaykowskiy and (Mrs) Chaykowskaya/aia

Similiar forms as in Polish and Russian are used in other Slavic
languages. German/Aaustrian zki/tzky/tzki are otzer variations of
ski/sky/skij/skiy.

Alexander Sharon

Hag Sameach Yiddlakh


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What's In A Name #general

A.Sharon <a.sharon@...>
 

GojuMom@aol.com wrote:

On my father's immigration papers the last name is listed with the suffix
"zky" but on his aunt's papers the same name has the suffix "skaia".
Is this a masculine vs. feminine form?
Thanks,
JoAnne Vanett
Ambler, Pa
Thats right. In Poland: (Mr) Kowalski wife is (Mrs) Kowalska, and
daughter is (Miss)Kowalskowna, suffixes are describing sex (male/female
and female unmarried status, where the last form is treated nowadays as
discriminatory, but it can be often found in the old documents.

In Russia: (Mr)Chaykowskiy and (Mrs) Chaykowskaya/aia

Similiar forms as in Polish and Russian are used in other Slavic
languages. German/Aaustrian zki/tzky/tzki are otzer variations of
ski/sky/skij/skiy.

Alexander Sharon

Hag Sameach Yiddlakh


Cantors in the 1920's #general

Roberta Berman <danber@...>
 

Carol Lipson wrote:

"I just received immigration/naturalization papers for my great uncle,
Benjamin Bachrach. The documents say he came to Canada to be a cantor
at a congregation in Winnipeg ("Beith Abraham"). But then the various
reports on him give his occupation as merchant. Would a job as cantor not
have been a full-time paid job during that period?"


I don't know the answer to the question, but my husband's grandfather,
Louis (Yehuda Lev) Berman, was a lay cantor at Tifereth Israel Synagogue
in San Diego, California in the 1920's. His occupation was also
merchant.

Roberta Wagner Berman
San Diego, CA
danber@cts.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Cantors in the 1920's #general

Roberta Berman <danber@...>
 

Carol Lipson wrote:

"I just received immigration/naturalization papers for my great uncle,
Benjamin Bachrach. The documents say he came to Canada to be a cantor
at a congregation in Winnipeg ("Beith Abraham"). But then the various
reports on him give his occupation as merchant. Would a job as cantor not
have been a full-time paid job during that period?"


I don't know the answer to the question, but my husband's grandfather,
Louis (Yehuda Lev) Berman, was a lay cantor at Tifereth Israel Synagogue
in San Diego, California in the 1920's. His occupation was also
merchant.

Roberta Wagner Berman
San Diego, CA
danber@cts.com


Gender indicators #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

Recently I was given a printout containing over fifty
new names in my mother's GORDON family. (We had lost
track of this branch several generations ago and it
turns out that some have been here in Israel for sixty-
seventy years.)

The latest generation contains quite a few names which
can be either male or female and others which were new
to me entirely. It reminded me that when I did my first
manual family tree years ago, I chose to make different
shaped boxes for men and women. (The bottom of the women's
box was convex and the bottom of the men's box was two angled
lines. I even had rubber stamps made.)

It seems to me that the more genealogy begins to cross
cultural lines - even "traditional Jewish" vs "modern
Israeli" - gender may not be as obvious as it once was, and
there is a need for a standard, simple way to indicate it.
This should be at least as valid for the general genealogy
community.

If others agree with me, perhaps JewishGen might take an
initiative in this regard, in the form of a resolution at
the New York Convention or a dialogue with the general
genealogy community.

And while we are at it, perhaps we can get the folks who
write the gen programs to include gender in their printed
"register" reports. Are there any that do? (BK doesn't.)

Israel Pickholtz
p2o5rock@netvision.net.il


Re: Funeral Directors: A Valuable Resource #general

GROSSesq@...
 

As a further research point on the use of funeral directors, dont be
disheartened if you find that the funeral home listed is out of business.
Usually, the business and records of funeral homes are acquired by other
funeral homes. It is generally known among funeral directors in a town who
has acquired the old records. If the original funeral home is not in the
phone book, call another funeral home and ask who acquired the out-of-
business firm's records.

Michael Gross
Silver Spring, Md


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gender indicators #general

IsraelP <p2o5rock@...>
 

Recently I was given a printout containing over fifty
new names in my mother's GORDON family. (We had lost
track of this branch several generations ago and it
turns out that some have been here in Israel for sixty-
seventy years.)

The latest generation contains quite a few names which
can be either male or female and others which were new
to me entirely. It reminded me that when I did my first
manual family tree years ago, I chose to make different
shaped boxes for men and women. (The bottom of the women's
box was convex and the bottom of the men's box was two angled
lines. I even had rubber stamps made.)

It seems to me that the more genealogy begins to cross
cultural lines - even "traditional Jewish" vs "modern
Israeli" - gender may not be as obvious as it once was, and
there is a need for a standard, simple way to indicate it.
This should be at least as valid for the general genealogy
community.

If others agree with me, perhaps JewishGen might take an
initiative in this regard, in the form of a resolution at
the New York Convention or a dialogue with the general
genealogy community.

And while we are at it, perhaps we can get the folks who
write the gen programs to include gender in their printed
"register" reports. Are there any that do? (BK doesn't.)

Israel Pickholtz
p2o5rock@netvision.net.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Funeral Directors: A Valuable Resource #general

GROSSesq@...
 

As a further research point on the use of funeral directors, dont be
disheartened if you find that the funeral home listed is out of business.
Usually, the business and records of funeral homes are acquired by other
funeral homes. It is generally known among funeral directors in a town who
has acquired the old records. If the original funeral home is not in the
phone book, call another funeral home and ask who acquired the out-of-
business firm's records.

Michael Gross
Silver Spring, Md


Re: Searching: LURIA #general

Ben Noach <bnnch@...>
 

I'd like to go public with the scanty data I have of the LURIA-TREVES
connection.I am myself a descendant of Rabbi Jehuda Ashkenazi(ben Shimon
Trevish), through the line of my grandfather >from my mothers side-how and
in what way can be found in more detail in section 3 of my HomePage:

<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>

from two sources:-Ya'acobi-a well known Jerusalem genealogist and
historian, who researched Rashi's descendants-claiming the Treves dynasty
going back to Rashi's daughter Yocheved, and "Otsar Yisra'eel", bringing
the roots of the Treveses back to Rashi's daughter Miriam, I build two
trees, that I reluctantly would call "genealogies", because of so many
missing details. In any case, both trees are identical >from Rabbi
Jossel(Joselin Josef) of Rosheim(1478-1554). Trevishes were central figures
in Frankfurt a.M. in the 16th century and remained active as Avoth Beth Din
and as rabbinical authorities in Poland at least till the beginning of the
19th century.I do not think it right to call them "medieval".

The LURIA's come in as Rabbi Jossel of Rosheim daughter in law:-NN Bat
Aharon ben Yechiel, married to his son Moshe Ben Jossel-Josef (Elsass-
Loans),who died in 1618. She was her husband's second cousin, but I do not
know in what way. She is, by the way, one of the rare instances that my
data give details about spouses.

Bat Aharon was the daughter of Aaron Ben Yechiel Luria, granddaughter of
Yechiel ben Yochanan Luria.

"My" Rabbi Jehuda Ashkenazi was the grandson of Bat Aharon brother-in-
law,(brother of her husband) Shneor ben Joseph Jossel Trevish.

Mr. Enzo will recall our very friendly and detailed correspondence a year
and a half ago. The Italian branch of Trevish had its start with the second
expulsion >from France in 1395. The Ashkenaz branch started with the first
expulsion >from France in 1306, but they returned to France.More details
about these migrations can be found in "Otsar Yisra'eel".

If anyone has addtional genealogical data that can help me improving the
charting of the ancestry of Rabbi Yehuda Ashkenazi, especially spouses,
dates and geographical data -I shall be happy to receive these privately.

Shalom >from Israel,

BEN NOACH-<mailto:bnnch@internet-zahav.net>
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-12-09 16:00:13 EST, Eric Lewis writes:

I am trying to trace the Canadian branch of the family of my late
father, surname LURIA, who visited England during the war whilst in the
Canadian services. >>
All Luries, Lurias etc. are said to be descentdants of R. Luria, the
Ashkenazi kabbalist of Safed (Galilee), known also as the Arie, or Ari
haQadosh, or Ari-zal, Many books have been published that trace his line.
The Luries held a reunion in Safed some 15-20 years ago; I am sure that a
number of valuable works were printed for that occasion. A visit to a
Jewish library may help you find a book that traces your branch.

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Many if not most people with the name LURIA or variants
thereof are descended >from the prominent rabbinical family which traces
its ancestry to the medieval TREVES family and thence, traditionally, to
RaSHI. The connection of the Ari to this family has not, to the best of
our knowledge, been established. In addition, some unrelated LURIA
families adopted the name much later, possibly in tribute to the
prominence of either the old rabbinical family or the Ari. Dr Neil
Rosenstein and others have written of the rabbinical family in Avotaynu
and elsewhere.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: LURIA #general

Ben Noach <bnnch@...>
 

I'd like to go public with the scanty data I have of the LURIA-TREVES
connection.I am myself a descendant of Rabbi Jehuda Ashkenazi(ben Shimon
Trevish), through the line of my grandfather >from my mothers side-how and
in what way can be found in more detail in section 3 of my HomePage:

<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>

from two sources:-Ya'acobi-a well known Jerusalem genealogist and
historian, who researched Rashi's descendants-claiming the Treves dynasty
going back to Rashi's daughter Yocheved, and "Otsar Yisra'eel", bringing
the roots of the Treveses back to Rashi's daughter Miriam, I build two
trees, that I reluctantly would call "genealogies", because of so many
missing details. In any case, both trees are identical >from Rabbi
Jossel(Joselin Josef) of Rosheim(1478-1554). Trevishes were central figures
in Frankfurt a.M. in the 16th century and remained active as Avoth Beth Din
and as rabbinical authorities in Poland at least till the beginning of the
19th century.I do not think it right to call them "medieval".

The LURIA's come in as Rabbi Jossel of Rosheim daughter in law:-NN Bat
Aharon ben Yechiel, married to his son Moshe Ben Jossel-Josef (Elsass-
Loans),who died in 1618. She was her husband's second cousin, but I do not
know in what way. She is, by the way, one of the rare instances that my
data give details about spouses.

Bat Aharon was the daughter of Aaron Ben Yechiel Luria, granddaughter of
Yechiel ben Yochanan Luria.

"My" Rabbi Jehuda Ashkenazi was the grandson of Bat Aharon brother-in-
law,(brother of her husband) Shneor ben Joseph Jossel Trevish.

Mr. Enzo will recall our very friendly and detailed correspondence a year
and a half ago. The Italian branch of Trevish had its start with the second
expulsion >from France in 1395. The Ashkenaz branch started with the first
expulsion >from France in 1306, but they returned to France.More details
about these migrations can be found in "Otsar Yisra'eel".

If anyone has addtional genealogical data that can help me improving the
charting of the ancestry of Rabbi Yehuda Ashkenazi, especially spouses,
dates and geographical data -I shall be happy to receive these privately.

Shalom >from Israel,

BEN NOACH-<mailto:bnnch@internet-zahav.net>
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-12-09 16:00:13 EST, Eric Lewis writes:

I am trying to trace the Canadian branch of the family of my late
father, surname LURIA, who visited England during the war whilst in the
Canadian services. >>
All Luries, Lurias etc. are said to be descentdants of R. Luria, the
Ashkenazi kabbalist of Safed (Galilee), known also as the Arie, or Ari
haQadosh, or Ari-zal, Many books have been published that trace his line.
The Luries held a reunion in Safed some 15-20 years ago; I am sure that a
number of valuable works were printed for that occasion. A visit to a
Jewish library may help you find a book that traces your branch.

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Many if not most people with the name LURIA or variants
thereof are descended >from the prominent rabbinical family which traces
its ancestry to the medieval TREVES family and thence, traditionally, to
RaSHI. The connection of the Ari to this family has not, to the best of
our knowledge, been established. In addition, some unrelated LURIA
families adopted the name much later, possibly in tribute to the
prominence of either the old rabbinical family or the Ari. Dr Neil
Rosenstein and others have written of the rabbinical family in Avotaynu
and elsewhere.


Gesher Galicia #general

Pollero - Rochelle K. <rpollero@...>
 

NOTICE TO MEMBERS GESHER GALICIA SIG:

It is time to renew your membership to Gesher Galicia. If you haven't yet
sent in your renewal form and check, please do so now. Renewals and
information must be received by December 31 in order for the information
to be included in the January 1999 Family Finder.

If you haven't received your renewal letter, please contact Peter Zavon at
<pzavon@compuserve.com>

To those who have an interest in Galicia but have not yet joined our
Special Interest Group (SIG), consider doing so. The dues are $20 per
year for USA and Canada and $27 per year for overseas.

To be included in the 1999 complete, updated Gesher Galicia Family Finder,
new members should send their information to Shelley Pollero by December
31.

To find out more about our SIG and get a membership form, you may:

Visit our website http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/

OR

Send a blank email message to <ggalicia@jewishgen.org>
for our InfoFile/Membership Form which you will receive by automated
return e-mail.

If you have any questions, please let us know.

For renewals and new members:
Shelley Kellerman Pollero at <rpollero@umd5.umd.edu>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gesher Galicia #general

Pollero - Rochelle K. <rpollero@...>
 

NOTICE TO MEMBERS GESHER GALICIA SIG:

It is time to renew your membership to Gesher Galicia. If you haven't yet
sent in your renewal form and check, please do so now. Renewals and
information must be received by December 31 in order for the information
to be included in the January 1999 Family Finder.

If you haven't received your renewal letter, please contact Peter Zavon at
<pzavon@compuserve.com>

To those who have an interest in Galicia but have not yet joined our
Special Interest Group (SIG), consider doing so. The dues are $20 per
year for USA and Canada and $27 per year for overseas.

To be included in the 1999 complete, updated Gesher Galicia Family Finder,
new members should send their information to Shelley Pollero by December
31.

To find out more about our SIG and get a membership form, you may:

Visit our website http://www.jewishgen.org/Galicia/

OR

Send a blank email message to <ggalicia@jewishgen.org>
for our InfoFile/Membership Form which you will receive by automated
return e-mail.

If you have any questions, please let us know.

For renewals and new members:
Shelley Kellerman Pollero at <rpollero@umd5.umd.edu>