Several articles appeared in the newspaper this week regarding legal
issues as a result of the new privacy law which just took effect in
Europe. If you have any Europeans who are sensitive to having their data
included and want to avoid a lawsuit, regardless of where *you* live, you
would do well to limit disclosing too much data about them.

613 Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)

Several articles appeared in the newspaper this week regarding legal
issues as a result of the new privacy law which just took effect in
Europe. If you have any Europeans who are sensitive to having their data
included and want to avoid a lawsuit, regardless of where *you* live, you
would do well to limit disclosing too much data about them.

613 Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN =[;-)

I want to thank all the people that sent me such helpful advice. Now I
know where to look I can really start on the trail of following my
GGrandfathers movements.

Thank you all again
Ron Feldman

I want to thank all the people that sent me such helpful advice. Now I
know where to look I can really start on the trail of following my
GGrandfathers movements.

Thank you all again
Ron Feldman

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland is pleased to announce that work
is well under way in the indexing of the Jewish vital records for the
ten towns in the Mlawa branch of the Polish State Archvives which
have _not_ been microfilmed by the LDS (Mormons).

This indexing is part of the project announced at the Summer Seminar
in Los Angeles. For more details of the JRI-Poland / Polish State
Archives project, please read the announcement on the JRI-Poland
website: www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl and click on "press releases." For
a more detailed description of the project, click on "Presentation at
Seminar, Los Angeles, July 14, 1998."

News about the Mlawa Archives project
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Mlawa (100 km NW of Warsaw) branch has Jewish vital records
for the towns/years noted below. (The years indicated apply only to
non-microfilmed records which are being indexed as part of this
project.)

The Szrensk and Zuromin records to be indexed include earlier
years _missed_ during the LDS filming.

Biezun: 1877 - 1896
Ciechanow: 1866 - 1896
Kucbork: 1866 - 1897
Mlawa: 1866-1898
Nowe Miasto: 1874 - 1897 (some years/types missing)
Plonsk: 1873 - 1895
Raciaz: 1876 - 1896
Radzanow: 1866 - 1894
Szrensk: 1840-1841, 1844, 1866-1895
Zuromin: 1826-1828, 1866-1895

The "Archive Coordinator" for Mlawa is Stan Zeidenberg of Toronto.
Watch for a post >from Stan Z. concerning help needed to complete
the work of indexing the above towns/records/years. As soon as
that has been done, the indices will be available to researchers
through the JRI-Poland database.

Now, for news of Nowy Dwor, the _next_ archives to be indexed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland is asking for a volunteer or
volunteers to become the "Archive Coordinator(s)" for the Nowy Dwor
Archives indexing project. (Nowy Dwor is 25 km NW of Warsaw.)

The towns whose Jewish vital records registers are in Nowy Dwor
are listed below. Note, years in brackets refer to those records
which have _not_ been filmed by the LDS.

Czerwinsk: Records end in 1865 but a few years were not filmed by the LDS
Nowy Dwor (1824 - 1897)
Okuniew: Available records appear to have already been filmed by the LDS
Plonsk: May be duplicates of records in registers in Mlawa.
Radzymin (1829, 1863/1897)
Serock (1874 - 1896)
Sochocin (1880 - 1897)
Zakroczym (1877 - 1897)

The "Archive Coordinator" is responsible for finding, appointing and
working with "Town Leaders." Anyone interested in assuming the
responsibility of Nowy Dwor Archive Coordinator should respond to
me directly.

Town Leaders organize the project to index their town's records.
That means reaching out to all researchers with an interest in the
specific town. There is no data entry work by volunteers for this
project; all data entry is done by professionals in Poland. Town
leaders and their supporters will be eligible to receive the full
database of indices for their town!

Stanley Diamond
Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

Jewish Records Indexing - Poland is pleased to announce that work
is well under way in the indexing of the Jewish vital records for the
ten towns in the Mlawa branch of the Polish State Archvives which
have _not_ been microfilmed by the LDS (Mormons).

This indexing is part of the project announced at the Summer Seminar
in Los Angeles. For more details of the JRI-Poland / Polish State
Archives project, please read the announcement on the JRI-Poland
website: www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl and click on "press releases." For
a more detailed description of the project, click on "Presentation at
Seminar, Los Angeles, July 14, 1998."

News about the Mlawa Archives project
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Mlawa (100 km NW of Warsaw) branch has Jewish vital records
for the towns/years noted below. (The years indicated apply only to
non-microfilmed records which are being indexed as part of this
project.)

The Szrensk and Zuromin records to be indexed include earlier
years _missed_ during the LDS filming.

Biezun: 1877 - 1896
Ciechanow: 1866 - 1896
Kucbork: 1866 - 1897
Mlawa: 1866-1898
Nowe Miasto: 1874 - 1897 (some years/types missing)
Plonsk: 1873 - 1895
Raciaz: 1876 - 1896
Radzanow: 1866 - 1894
Szrensk: 1840-1841, 1844, 1866-1895
Zuromin: 1826-1828, 1866-1895

The "Archive Coordinator" for Mlawa is Stan Zeidenberg of Toronto.
Watch for a post >from Stan Z. concerning help needed to complete
the work of indexing the above towns/records/years. As soon as
that has been done, the indices will be available to researchers
through the JRI-Poland database.

Now, for news of Nowy Dwor, the _next_ archives to be indexed.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jewish Records Indexing - Poland is asking for a volunteer or
volunteers to become the "Archive Coordinator(s)" for the Nowy Dwor
Archives indexing project. (Nowy Dwor is 25 km NW of Warsaw.)

The towns whose Jewish vital records registers are in Nowy Dwor
are listed below. Note, years in brackets refer to those records
which have _not_ been filmed by the LDS.

Czerwinsk: Records end in 1865 but a few years were not filmed by the LDS
Nowy Dwor (1824 - 1897)
Okuniew: Available records appear to have already been filmed by the LDS
Plonsk: May be duplicates of records in registers in Mlawa.
Radzymin (1829, 1863/1897)
Serock (1874 - 1896)
Sochocin (1880 - 1897)
Zakroczym (1877 - 1897)

The "Archive Coordinator" is responsible for finding, appointing and
working with "Town Leaders." Anyone interested in assuming the
responsibility of Nowy Dwor Archive Coordinator should respond to
me directly.

Town Leaders organize the project to index their town's records.
That means reaching out to all researchers with an interest in the
specific town. There is no data entry work by volunteers for this
project; all data entry is done by professionals in Poland. Town
leaders and their supporters will be eligible to receive the full
database of indices for their town!

Stanley Diamond
Coordinator, Jewish Records Indexing - Poland

Irene Newhouse wrote:

there is a
service called PEKAO that will transfer dollars to Poland, they have
a website at something fairly obvious like www.pekao.com, though I
wouldn't swear to it. A web search should turn up the right URL if
that's not it, PEKAO being a rather unique string.

There is (was?) a Polish bank called PKO, which even has (had?) a
branch here in Israel. Possibly the same as PEKAO.

Daniel

______________
H Daniel Wagner
Rehovot, Israel

Irene Newhouse wrote:

there is a
service called PEKAO that will transfer dollars to Poland, they have
a website at something fairly obvious like www.pekao.com, though I
wouldn't swear to it. A web search should turn up the right URL if
that's not it, PEKAO being a rather unique string.

There is (was?) a Polish bank called PKO, which even has (had?) a
branch here in Israel. Possibly the same as PEKAO.

Daniel

______________
H Daniel Wagner
Rehovot, Israel

Selma Ring Prager wrote:

"Is there any reason that immigrants would lower their actual age
on the ship manifest?"

My gggf lowered his age >from 62 to 55 on his ship manifest >from Hamburg
to New York City in 1906. We believe that this was because he feared
that immigration authorities would not have let him in, thinking he was
too old to make a living. Of course, some people may have just lied a
lot: his age varies and is understated on every document I've found,
except for the birth record.

Eric Adler
Hanau, Germany

Selma Ring Prager wrote:

"Is there any reason that immigrants would lower their actual age
on the ship manifest?"

My gggf lowered his age >from 62 to 55 on his ship manifest >from Hamburg
to New York City in 1906. We believe that this was because he feared
that immigration authorities would not have let him in, thinking he was
too old to make a living. Of course, some people may have just lied a
lot: his age varies and is understated on every document I've found,
except for the birth record.

Eric Adler
Hanau, Germany

I just received the latest issue of "Avotaynu - the International
Review of Jewish Genealogy" (Vol XIV, Number 3, Fall 1998). There
are a number of very informative articles of interest to the Belarus
SIG members in this issue and I would strongly suggest you subscribe
to this publication if you have not done so already. In this message,
I will only talk about the article by Vlad Soshnikov titled "About
the Russian Archivist's Soul" and only the portion that deals with
the Belarus archives.

In July 1998, while Mr. Soshnikov was doing some work in the Belarus
Natioanl Historical Archives in Misnsk, he discovered some new records
which have not been previously made known the the Jewish genealogy
community. Because of copywrite restrictions, I can not duplicate
the list, but will try and summarize what he found in some old big
volumes which only had a "general description" of the volumes. Amoung
the records that Mr. Soshnikov found in Collection #2151 of the
Mogilev Tresasury were Revision (census) Lists and alphabetical lists
of Jewish Town dwellers in a number of gubernia, districts, towns, and
shtetls:

Mogilev Gubernia
Bykhov District
Gomel District
Rossasny, Goretzky District
Liadny, Goretzky District
Kopys, Kopys District
Klimovitchi & nearby towns, Klimovitch District
Mogilev and Mogilev District
Shklov, Mogilev District
Dubrovka, Orsha District
Goretsky & Savsky, Orsha District
Dubrovensky, Orsha District
Liadny, Orsha district
Bayevsky & Rossasinsky, Orsha District
Rogatchev District
Cherikov, Krichev & Molostovitchi, Cherikov District
Mstislavl and Mstislavl District
Khoslavitchi, Mstislavl District
Monastyrschinsk, Mstislavl District
Kasimirova Sloboda, Mstislavl District
Tatarsk, Mstislavl District
Kadin, Mstislavl District
Shomov, Mstislavl District
Zakharin, Mstislavl District

While not all locations noted above have lists for all years, the
following years are represented:
1816
1831
1852
1858
1867-69
1873-79
1881-86


In addition to the above Mr. Soshnikov also found Collection #330
of the Minsk City Government for Town Dwellers. It contains a
family lsit of Jewish townswellers of Minsk in 1894 (884 families).
These names were translated >from Russian to English and appeared
in the RAGAS Report. If anyone has this Report, please contact me
via private e-mail.

A recent breakthrough in my own personal family research has
emphasized the importance of information that can be extracted

from the Revision Lists. This past week I received a translation
from the 1811 Minsk Revision LIst (this is one that has been filmed

by the Mormons) with the entries for one of my surnames (TSIVIN).
Although this Revision list only has males, it provided me with four new
generations that I was able to link to by previous research. I now have
the name of my ggggggg grandfather born about 1730. I would expect that
Revision Lists >from other years will provide additional names (male and
female)
to add to my tree.

As you can see >from this message and previous postings, more and more
records are being uncovered all the time. For those of you who have
reached a roadblock in your research, never give up the search!

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

I just received the latest issue of "Avotaynu - the International
Review of Jewish Genealogy" (Vol XIV, Number 3, Fall 1998). There
are a number of very informative articles of interest to the Belarus
SIG members in this issue and I would strongly suggest you subscribe
to this publication if you have not done so already. In this message,
I will only talk about the article by Vlad Soshnikov titled "About
the Russian Archivist's Soul" and only the portion that deals with
the Belarus archives.

In July 1998, while Mr. Soshnikov was doing some work in the Belarus
Natioanl Historical Archives in Misnsk, he discovered some new records
which have not been previously made known the the Jewish genealogy
community. Because of copywrite restrictions, I can not duplicate
the list, but will try and summarize what he found in some old big
volumes which only had a "general description" of the volumes. Amoung
the records that Mr. Soshnikov found in Collection #2151 of the
Mogilev Tresasury were Revision (census) Lists and alphabetical lists
of Jewish Town dwellers in a number of gubernia, districts, towns, and
shtetls:

Mogilev Gubernia
Bykhov District
Gomel District
Rossasny, Goretzky District
Liadny, Goretzky District
Kopys, Kopys District
Klimovitchi & nearby towns, Klimovitch District
Mogilev and Mogilev District
Shklov, Mogilev District
Dubrovka, Orsha District
Goretsky & Savsky, Orsha District
Dubrovensky, Orsha District
Liadny, Orsha district
Bayevsky & Rossasinsky, Orsha District
Rogatchev District
Cherikov, Krichev & Molostovitchi, Cherikov District
Mstislavl and Mstislavl District
Khoslavitchi, Mstislavl District
Monastyrschinsk, Mstislavl District
Kasimirova Sloboda, Mstislavl District
Tatarsk, Mstislavl District
Kadin, Mstislavl District
Shomov, Mstislavl District
Zakharin, Mstislavl District

While not all locations noted above have lists for all years, the
following years are represented:
1816
1831
1852
1858
1867-69
1873-79
1881-86


In addition to the above Mr. Soshnikov also found Collection #330
of the Minsk City Government for Town Dwellers. It contains a
family lsit of Jewish townswellers of Minsk in 1894 (884 families).
These names were translated >from Russian to English and appeared
in the RAGAS Report. If anyone has this Report, please contact me
via private e-mail.

A recent breakthrough in my own personal family research has
emphasized the importance of information that can be extracted

from the Revision Lists. This past week I received a translation
from the 1811 Minsk Revision LIst (this is one that has been filmed

by the Mormons) with the entries for one of my surnames (TSIVIN).
Although this Revision list only has males, it provided me with four new
generations that I was able to link to by previous research. I now have
the name of my ggggggg grandfather born about 1730. I would expect that
Revision Lists >from other years will provide additional names (male and
female)
to add to my tree.

As you can see >from this message and previous postings, more and more
records are being uncovered all the time. For those of you who have
reached a roadblock in your research, never give up the search!

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

Rabbi Marmorstein wrote:

< ...but went unrecorded and children had to be registered under the
mother's maiden name.>

As I consider the following information of a personal genealogical
experience pertinent to the list, permit me to post it:

Almost 20 years ago when I started my geneological research, as I am a
Levi, (Tribe alevi),I was only looking for Goldstein Leviim. This
almost axiomatic situation for me than, made disregard many elderly
people that I interviewed in the course of time as I did not continue
with them the investigation because they where not Leviim.

Some years ago I discoverd in a factual way a Goldstein beeing a Cohen
and then I found out the story that jewish mother's, for some reason
that I did not know, and now I find, eventually, the explaination in
Rabbi Marmorstein's post, why this happened.

Further more, also some years ago, I found out that I was not the
first born to my own parents. They never spoke of my elder brother z"l
that died when he was 4 months old. He is burried in the Kocise Jewish
Cemetary under the name of Hibshcman, my mother's maiden name, and not
Goldstein.My parents are first cousins as you can see it My Family Tree.

<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756/>

The Goldstein Cohen mentioned above,was the son of a Goldstein lady
married to a Cohen.

Touvia Goldstein
Kiryat Ono, ISRAEL




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Rabbi Marmorstein wrote:

< ...but went unrecorded and children had to be registered under the
mother's maiden name.>

As I consider the following information of a personal genealogical
experience pertinent to the list, permit me to post it:

Almost 20 years ago when I started my geneological research, as I am a
Levi, (Tribe alevi),I was only looking for Goldstein Leviim. This
almost axiomatic situation for me than, made disregard many elderly
people that I interviewed in the course of time as I did not continue
with them the investigation because they where not Leviim.

Some years ago I discoverd in a factual way a Goldstein beeing a Cohen
and then I found out the story that jewish mother's, for some reason
that I did not know, and now I find, eventually, the explaination in
Rabbi Marmorstein's post, why this happened.

Further more, also some years ago, I found out that I was not the
first born to my own parents. They never spoke of my elder brother z"l
that died when he was 4 months old. He is burried in the Kocise Jewish
Cemetary under the name of Hibshcman, my mother's maiden name, and not
Goldstein.My parents are first cousins as you can see it My Family Tree.

<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756/>

The Goldstein Cohen mentioned above,was the son of a Goldstein lady
married to a Cohen.

Touvia Goldstein
Kiryat Ono, ISRAEL




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Dear Members,

In regard to our announcement regarding Family Tree's research trips in
Slovakia, I would like to inform you that our researchers are planning
to go to Eperjes (Presov) in about a week. Everyone interested in having

genealogical research done regarding towns the material of which can be
found at the Eperjes Archive should contact us as soon as possible.

Our forthcoming trip presents an ideal opportunity for examining birth,
marriage and death records between a shorter period of time, for looking

through censuses or checking certain data without facing the problem
that the travel and lodging costs exceed the costs of the research,
itself.

Any further inquiries, such as photographing the town, the cemetery,
etc. will be considered. All questions, ideas or suggestions are
welcome.

Responding to our present message, please put the word EPERJES into the
subject column.

Best wishes,

Anita

Anita Monori
Account Director

**************************************************
FAMILY TREE Ltd. Genealogical Research Bureau
Member of the National Genealogical Society (USA)
Phone: (36 1) 388 2301 Fax: (36 1) 387 8172
mailto:familyt@hungary.net
http://www.familytree.hu
**************************************************


Dear Members,

Many times we come across the problem that whenever one would only like
to get 1 or 2 records or one would only need some brief research have
done at the Slovakian Archives, in most of the cases the travel costs
double or triple the research fee. Now we would like to offer a solution

for this. In the future we will visit a previously indicated archive in

Slovakia and will be there for a week in order to do all of the so
called "little" work.
At the beginning of every month we will let you know which one is the
chosen archive. In October, for example, we are going to go to Kassa
(Kosice) and Eperjes (Presov), while in November, as it is now planned,
to Besztercebanya (Banska Bystrica).
Doing so we can conduct this kind of work without it resulting in
significant or uneconomical expenses for you.
Thus those of you who have questions or requests regarding the towns the

material of which can be found in Kassa or Eperjes, please contact us as

soon as possible. We will send a quotation for all of the inquiries.
Please put the words KASSA/EPERJES into the subject column.

Regards,

George

--
George Eotvos
Family Tree Ltd. (Csaladfa Kft)
Partner & Managing Director

Dear Members,

In regard to our announcement regarding Family Tree's research trips in
Slovakia, I would like to inform you that our researchers are planning
to go to Eperjes (Presov) in about a week. Everyone interested in having

genealogical research done regarding towns the material of which can be
found at the Eperjes Archive should contact us as soon as possible.

Our forthcoming trip presents an ideal opportunity for examining birth,
marriage and death records between a shorter period of time, for looking

through censuses or checking certain data without facing the problem
that the travel and lodging costs exceed the costs of the research,
itself.

Any further inquiries, such as photographing the town, the cemetery,
etc. will be considered. All questions, ideas or suggestions are
welcome.

Responding to our present message, please put the word EPERJES into the
subject column.

Best wishes,

Anita

Anita Monori
Account Director

**************************************************
FAMILY TREE Ltd. Genealogical Research Bureau
Member of the National Genealogical Society (USA)
Phone: (36 1) 388 2301 Fax: (36 1) 387 8172
mailto:familyt@hungary.net
http://www.familytree.hu
**************************************************


Dear Members,

Many times we come across the problem that whenever one would only like
to get 1 or 2 records or one would only need some brief research have
done at the Slovakian Archives, in most of the cases the travel costs
double or triple the research fee. Now we would like to offer a solution

for this. In the future we will visit a previously indicated archive in

Slovakia and will be there for a week in order to do all of the so
called "little" work.
At the beginning of every month we will let you know which one is the
chosen archive. In October, for example, we are going to go to Kassa
(Kosice) and Eperjes (Presov), while in November, as it is now planned,
to Besztercebanya (Banska Bystrica).
Doing so we can conduct this kind of work without it resulting in
significant or uneconomical expenses for you.
Thus those of you who have questions or requests regarding the towns the

material of which can be found in Kassa or Eperjes, please contact us as

soon as possible. We will send a quotation for all of the inquiries.
Please put the words KASSA/EPERJES into the subject column.

Regards,

George

--
George Eotvos
Family Tree Ltd. (Csaladfa Kft)
Partner & Managing Director

Just one short year ago, JewishGen launched the Holocaust Global
Registry. It was the eve of Kristallnacht, lest we forget.

Under the leadership of Kathy Altmann, the Holocaust Global Registry
has grown >from a figment of our imaginations into a master database of
survivors, those of us searching for survivors and those who's
identity may have been changed.

Today, the Holocaust Global Registry has over 1350 entries. One only
has to read one or two of the remembrances posted here to be reminded
of what really happened during those grim years.

JewishGen is proud to be able to claim at least one family reunion
made over 50 years later because of information posted by YOU to this
important database. One connection to us is worth its weight in gold!

http://www.jewishgen.org/registry/

In the "spirit" of sharing, JewishGen recently began the process of
sending "looking for" posts >from the Holocaust Global Registry to The
Shoah Foundation where they are being checked against the records of
survivors they have interviewed, in hopes that this cooperative spirit
between two organizations will yield a few more miracles.

JewishGen also recently began to host the Missing Identity site
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/, their purpose ... to
assist child survivors with finding their identity and connecting with
their past.

As we all go about our daily tasks over the next day, let us take a
few minutes >from our hectic schedules to just remember what went on
many years ago today.

And let us march forward ever so quickly to "preserve this precious
history". For it is this "spirit" of sharing and giving which has
become JewishGen's hallmark over these many years. One only has to
look at the growing source of information now available on JewishGen
to truly realize that this "spirit" lives within us all. It is truly
remarkable!

Susan

Just one short year ago, JewishGen launched the Holocaust Global
Registry. It was the eve of Kristallnacht, lest we forget.

Under the leadership of Kathy Altmann, the Holocaust Global Registry
has grown >from a figment of our imaginations into a master database of
survivors, those of us searching for survivors and those who's
identity may have been changed.

Today, the Holocaust Global Registry has over 1350 entries. One only
has to read one or two of the remembrances posted here to be reminded
of what really happened during those grim years.

JewishGen is proud to be able to claim at least one family reunion
made over 50 years later because of information posted by YOU to this
important database. One connection to us is worth its weight in gold!

http://www.jewishgen.org/registry/

In the "spirit" of sharing, JewishGen recently began the process of
sending "looking for" posts >from the Holocaust Global Registry to The
Shoah Foundation where they are being checked against the records of
survivors they have interviewed, in hopes that this cooperative spirit
between two organizations will yield a few more miracles.

JewishGen also recently began to host the Missing Identity site
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/, their purpose ... to
assist child survivors with finding their identity and connecting with
their past.

As we all go about our daily tasks over the next day, let us take a
few minutes >from our hectic schedules to just remember what went on
many years ago today.

And let us march forward ever so quickly to "preserve this precious
history". For it is this "spirit" of sharing and giving which has
become JewishGen's hallmark over these many years. One only has to
look at the growing source of information now available on JewishGen
to truly realize that this "spirit" lives within us all. It is truly
remarkable!

Susan

I am searching for information on my grandparents that were >from Beltz,
Bessarabia, Romania now known as Beltsy, Moldova. The surnames are as follows:
KRASNANSKY, ADAS, GELFANT or GELFAND, and CERA. Thank you. Cheryl Fox

I am searching for information on my grandparents that were >from Beltz,
Bessarabia, Romania now known as Beltsy, Moldova. The surnames are as follows:
KRASNANSKY, ADAS, GELFANT or GELFAND, and CERA. Thank you. Cheryl Fox