In a message dated 98-11-08 05:41:08 EST, uryl@globalxs.nl writes:

<< Louis is Levy and also Lieber is Levy. >>

Not so fast, Ury. Some Levis took the name Loew and >from there some took
the name Loeb. Judah is referred to as a lion cup, so the name Yehuda-
Aryeh became common. Aryeh translates as Lion, Loel in German. My guess
is that for every Loeb who is a Levite, there are ten who got their name
because of Judah.

Louis is NOT Levy. Here and there you might see a link such as Levi,
Levenberg, Louis.

The civil name Louis may be given to Lemel, Lemech, Lazarus (Elazar),
Lurie . . . . or just about anyone

And on my family tree stretching back to 1625 approx, all Leviim, I see
not one Lieber nor any Louis (but plenty of Loews and Loebs).

We Leviim are known to react with anger when our honor our national purity
is attacked <grin> (check out the Torah). Let's keep Levi for the
Levites!

Meir ben YomTov-Dov Halevi Bernet

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester

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In a message dated 98-11-08 05:41:08 EST, uryl@globalxs.nl writes:

<< Louis is Levy and also Lieber is Levy. >>

Not so fast, Ury. Some Levis took the name Loew and >from there some took
the name Loeb. Judah is referred to as a lion cup, so the name Yehuda-
Aryeh became common. Aryeh translates as Lion, Loel in German. My guess
is that for every Loeb who is a Levite, there are ten who got their name
because of Judah.

Louis is NOT Levy. Here and there you might see a link such as Levi,
Levenberg, Louis.

The civil name Louis may be given to Lemel, Lemech, Lazarus (Elazar),
Lurie . . . . or just about anyone

And on my family tree stretching back to 1625 approx, all Leviim, I see
not one Lieber nor any Louis (but plenty of Loews and Loebs).

We Leviim are known to react with anger when our honor our national purity
is attacked <grin> (check out the Torah). Let's keep Levi for the
Levites!

Meir ben YomTov-Dov Halevi Bernet

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester

MODERATOR NOTE: This post provides some clarification to a previously
closed thread. The thread is still closed.

I am searching for either SCHER or WITEBSKY who would have emigrated from
Russia during the early 1900's. Is there anyone out there with information on
either of these two surnames?

Tammy Sarote
searching: SCHER, Dnepropetrovsk; WITEBSKY, Vitebsk; WISHNEFSKY, Minsk;
RABINOWITZ, Minsk; SIROTA, Grodno

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I am searching for either SCHER or WITEBSKY who would have emigrated from
Russia during the early 1900's. Is there anyone out there with information on
either of these two surnames?

Tammy Sarote
searching: SCHER, Dnepropetrovsk; WITEBSKY, Vitebsk; WISHNEFSKY, Minsk;
RABINOWITZ, Minsk; SIROTA, Grodno

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Hello friends.
In 10 days will be edited our newsletter Toldot n+ALo- 8, is spanish. the
Summary is below.
You would adquire it by
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Please advise your interest
Regards

------------------------------------------------
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------------------------------------------------


SUMARIO DEL TOLDOT 8
2. Base de Datos de la AGJA
2. Objetivos de la AGJA
3. La p+AOE-gina de la AGJA en Internet
3. Editorial
3. El 18+ALo- Congreso de Genealog+AO0-a Jud+AO0-a por Diana Nincowicz
4. Los Jud+AO0-os en Tucum+AOE-n por H+AOk-ctor Kaufman
5. +AL8-Tr+AOE-s la Expulsi+APM-n...qu+AOk-? por Andr+AOk-s Garc+AO0-a Hernando (Espa+APE-a)
6. El Obispo Fray Francisco de Vitoria por Silvia B. de Adaszko
7. Una Hip+APM-tesis sobre las Ra+AO0-ces Jud+AO0-as de
Jorge L. Borges Acevedo por Paulo Valladares (Brasil)
10. Rusia, sus Zares, sus Guerra y sus Jud+AO0-os por Paul Armony
11. Plegaria de un Cantonista en Iom Kipur por Ricardo D. Susevich
12. Guerra Ruso-Japonesa 1904-1905 por Paul Armony
13. +AL8-Edenitz o Leinkevitz? por Adolfo Rosenberg
14. La hu+AO0-da de Rezina por Marcelo Kisnerman
14. El Sidur perdido por Enrique Kahn
15. La Historia de los Pampistas por Paul Armony
19. +IBw-Viaje al Pa+AO0-s de la Esperanza+IB0- Memorias In+AOk-ditas
de un Pampista Don Mauricio Chajchir
22. Los Registros Geneal+APM-gicos en Buenos Aires por P. Armony
23. Publicaciones recibidas de otras Sociedades en Agja
23. Proyecto +AKs-JRI+ALs- Poland
24. Apellidos relacionados con el oficio de sastre
Recopilados por Benjam+AO0-n Edelstein
25. Aniversarios de la Declaraci+APM-n Balfour y de la
Partici+APM-n de Palestina por Moshe Kor+AO0-n
26. El Libro Registro de Moisesville de Pinjas Glasberg
26. La Historia de los Waisman por Gabriel Braunstein (EE.UU)
28. Sinagogas que ya no existen

Hello friends.
In 10 days will be edited our newsletter Toldot n+ALo- 8, is spanish. the
Summary is below.
You would adquire it by
1) subscription, +ACQ-30 per year (copies n+ALo- 6, 7 and 8 now and the news to be
edited: numbers 9 and 10 in march 99 and june 99) or
2) only number 8 sending +ACQ- 7.50 dollars
3) or +ACQ- 17.50 per the three copies n+ALo- 6, 7 and 8 in one envelope.
You can send checks in american dollars to my son in Ottawa, Canada.
Please advise your interest
Regards

------------------------------------------------
Paul Armony
Presidente
Asociacion de Genealogia Judia de Argentina
armony+AEA-satlink.com
------------------------------------------------


SUMARIO DEL TOLDOT 8
2. Base de Datos de la AGJA
2. Objetivos de la AGJA
3. La p+AOE-gina de la AGJA en Internet
3. Editorial
3. El 18+ALo- Congreso de Genealog+AO0-a Jud+AO0-a por Diana Nincowicz
4. Los Jud+AO0-os en Tucum+AOE-n por H+AOk-ctor Kaufman
5. +AL8-Tr+AOE-s la Expulsi+APM-n...qu+AOk-? por Andr+AOk-s Garc+AO0-a Hernando (Espa+APE-a)
6. El Obispo Fray Francisco de Vitoria por Silvia B. de Adaszko
7. Una Hip+APM-tesis sobre las Ra+AO0-ces Jud+AO0-as de
Jorge L. Borges Acevedo por Paulo Valladares (Brasil)
10. Rusia, sus Zares, sus Guerra y sus Jud+AO0-os por Paul Armony
11. Plegaria de un Cantonista en Iom Kipur por Ricardo D. Susevich
12. Guerra Ruso-Japonesa 1904-1905 por Paul Armony
13. +AL8-Edenitz o Leinkevitz? por Adolfo Rosenberg
14. La hu+AO0-da de Rezina por Marcelo Kisnerman
14. El Sidur perdido por Enrique Kahn
15. La Historia de los Pampistas por Paul Armony
19. +IBw-Viaje al Pa+AO0-s de la Esperanza+IB0- Memorias In+AOk-ditas
de un Pampista Don Mauricio Chajchir
22. Los Registros Geneal+APM-gicos en Buenos Aires por P. Armony
23. Publicaciones recibidas de otras Sociedades en Agja
23. Proyecto +AKs-JRI+ALs- Poland
24. Apellidos relacionados con el oficio de sastre
Recopilados por Benjam+AO0-n Edelstein
25. Aniversarios de la Declaraci+APM-n Balfour y de la
Partici+APM-n de Palestina por Moshe Kor+AO0-n
26. El Libro Registro de Moisesville de Pinjas Glasberg
26. La Historia de los Waisman por Gabriel Braunstein (EE.UU)
28. Sinagogas que ya no existen

To Whom It May Concern,

I am making a genealogical search of a city in the Ukraine named Ternopil'
(previously when under the Austrian-Hungarian Empire called Tarnopol and
called Tarnopolu when under Polish rule.

Question: Is it possible to find out on a city map/plan (possibly in
english) where the Jewish quarter (Shtetl) area of the town around the turn
of the century (ca. 1900)?

I do have a present day map/plan of Ternopil, Ukraine in the Ukrainian
language but finding such an area after all the wars is quite difficult. I
have recently received >from the Urainian Archives in L'VOV, Ukraine my
uncle's birth certificate which indicates only a building number, but no
address. Other relatives listed on other documents (birth, marriage, &
death cert.) I received >from L'VOV Ukraine only indicate a building number
(again no address). I realize this is asking for a needle-in-a-haystack
but I thought I might venture it or, could you point me in the right
direction.

Many thanks and looking forward to any kind of response,

Very truly yours,
Carl R. Migden
crmigden@AOL.COM

To Whom It May Concern,

I am making a genealogical search of a city in the Ukraine named Ternopil'
(previously when under the Austrian-Hungarian Empire called Tarnopol and
called Tarnopolu when under Polish rule.

Question: Is it possible to find out on a city map/plan (possibly in
english) where the Jewish quarter (Shtetl) area of the town around the turn
of the century (ca. 1900)?

I do have a present day map/plan of Ternopil, Ukraine in the Ukrainian
language but finding such an area after all the wars is quite difficult. I
have recently received >from the Urainian Archives in L'VOV, Ukraine my
uncle's birth certificate which indicates only a building number, but no
address. Other relatives listed on other documents (birth, marriage, &
death cert.) I received >from L'VOV Ukraine only indicate a building number
(again no address). I realize this is asking for a needle-in-a-haystack
but I thought I might venture it or, could you point me in the right
direction.

Many thanks and looking forward to any kind of response,

Very truly yours,
Carl R. Migden
crmigden@AOL.COM

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Someone wrote:

The right column is clearly my great-great uncle Abraham. He died at age
26 of TB in the summer of 1899, for which I have the death certificate.
The question is, who is buried with him? Here are the possibilities I have
identified:

A. It would make the most sense that it would be his wife. Husbands and
wives are usually buried together. The problem is, his wife wouldn't be
born of another Olswang, most likely. Also, I have no evidence to date of
a marriage.

Don't take for granted that spouses are"usually" buried together. This
is by no means automatically the case. It depends on whether someone did
or did not reserve the space for the second spouse when the first to die
was buried.

My paternal grandparents are buried at Bushey cemetery (just outside
London). My gf died in 1950, my gm in 1955. But Booba is nowhere near
Zayde -- apparently because my father and his brothers didn't think of
reserving the space, which strikes me as extraordinary in 1950! So my
Booba is in a completely different section in this enormous cemetery.

My maternal grandparents, by contrast, ARE buried side by side, in the
MARKS family plot at Willesden. Not only had a wealthy brother of my mgf
bought a whole plot, they also saved the space for the spouse next to each
family member as that person died and was buried within the plot.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu

Someone wrote:

The right column is clearly my great-great uncle Abraham. He died at age
26 of TB in the summer of 1899, for which I have the death certificate.
The question is, who is buried with him? Here are the possibilities I have
identified:

A. It would make the most sense that it would be his wife. Husbands and
wives are usually buried together. The problem is, his wife wouldn't be
born of another Olswang, most likely. Also, I have no evidence to date of
a marriage.

Don't take for granted that spouses are"usually" buried together. This
is by no means automatically the case. It depends on whether someone did
or did not reserve the space for the second spouse when the first to die
was buried.

My paternal grandparents are buried at Bushey cemetery (just outside
London). My gf died in 1950, my gm in 1955. But Booba is nowhere near
Zayde -- apparently because my father and his brothers didn't think of
reserving the space, which strikes me as extraordinary in 1950! So my
Booba is in a completely different section in this enormous cemetery.

My maternal grandparents, by contrast, ARE buried side by side, in the
MARKS family plot at Willesden. Not only had a wealthy brother of my mgf
bought a whole plot, they also saved the space for the spouse next to each
family member as that person died and was buried within the plot.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu

Ten Commandments for Genealogists
by Rabbi Malcolm H. Stern (1916-1994)
Dean of American-Jewish Genealogy

I. I am a genealogist dedicated to true knowledge about the
families I am researching.

II. Thou shalt use family traditions with caution and only as clues.

III. Thou shalt not accept as gospel every written record or printed
record.

IV. Thou shalt not hang nobility or royalty on your family tree
without verifying with experts.

V. Thou shalt clearly label the questionable and the fairy tale.

VI. Thou shalt handle all records in such a way that the next users
will find them in the same condition you did.

VII. Thou shalt credit those who help you and ask permission of those
whose work you use.

VIII. Thou shalt not query any source of information without supplying
postage.

IX. Thou shalt respect the sensitivities of the living in whatever
you record but tell the truth about the dead.

X. Thou shalt not become a genealogical teacher or authority
without appropriate training and certification.


--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<mailto:bkouchel@jewishgen.org

Ten Commandments for Genealogists
by Rabbi Malcolm H. Stern (1916-1994)
Dean of American-Jewish Genealogy

I. I am a genealogist dedicated to true knowledge about the
families I am researching.

II. Thou shalt use family traditions with caution and only as clues.

III. Thou shalt not accept as gospel every written record or printed
record.

IV. Thou shalt not hang nobility or royalty on your family tree
without verifying with experts.

V. Thou shalt clearly label the questionable and the fairy tale.

VI. Thou shalt handle all records in such a way that the next users
will find them in the same condition you did.

VII. Thou shalt credit those who help you and ask permission of those
whose work you use.

VIII. Thou shalt not query any source of information without supplying
postage.

IX. Thou shalt respect the sensitivities of the living in whatever
you record but tell the truth about the dead.

X. Thou shalt not become a genealogical teacher or authority
without appropriate training and certification.


--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<mailto:bkouchel@jewishgen.org

In today's (Sunday, November 8, 1998) New York Times, there is a travel
supplement called "The Sophisticated Traveler." (Not the regular travel
section.) It features a very moving account of a visit made by the author,
Joseph Skibell (nee Skibelsky), and his brother to their ancestral town,
Suwalki, Poland. The article is titled "In Poland, Invisible Others."

He also describes a visit to surrounding towns, such as Tykocin.

If you're not a subscriber to the NY Times and you have an interest in that
part of Poland, you might try your local library or the Nexus service,
which is available through many libraries.

Mila Begun in NYC (MMBegun@aol.com)

Researching:
BEFELER, GRACHNIAK: Cziemierniki, Radzyn, Deblin & Miedzyrzec, Poland
GOLDBERG: Lukow, Parczew, Miedzyrzec Podl., Poland
BRODSKY, ELLIS, YELLISHAVETSKY, ORLIK and TALANSKY: Talnoye, Ukr.
BEGUN, ROSENBAUM, MELTZER: Pinsk, Belarus
PILATSKY: anywhere in Poland

MODERATOR NOTE: Most articles >from The New York Times are available online
at the Times's website, <http://www.nytimes.com> on the day of publication.
Selected articles remain available for longer periods. Check the website
for details.

In today's (Sunday, November 8, 1998) New York Times, there is a travel
supplement called "The Sophisticated Traveler." (Not the regular travel
section.) It features a very moving account of a visit made by the author,
Joseph Skibell (nee Skibelsky), and his brother to their ancestral town,
Suwalki, Poland. The article is titled "In Poland, Invisible Others."

He also describes a visit to surrounding towns, such as Tykocin.

If you're not a subscriber to the NY Times and you have an interest in that
part of Poland, you might try your local library or the Nexus service,
which is available through many libraries.

Mila Begun in NYC (MMBegun@aol.com)

Researching:
BEFELER, GRACHNIAK: Cziemierniki, Radzyn, Deblin & Miedzyrzec, Poland
GOLDBERG: Lukow, Parczew, Miedzyrzec Podl., Poland
BRODSKY, ELLIS, YELLISHAVETSKY, ORLIK and TALANSKY: Talnoye, Ukr.
BEGUN, ROSENBAUM, MELTZER: Pinsk, Belarus
PILATSKY: anywhere in Poland

MODERATOR NOTE: Most articles >from The New York Times are available online
at the Times's website, <http://www.nytimes.com> on the day of publication.
Selected articles remain available for longer periods. Check the website
for details.