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ROSENTHAL #general

Patrick Porter <phbp@...>
 

I'm just visiting this NG for a moment and I had a question about the
name ROSENTHAL---
My grandmother was a Protestant---a Lutheran, born in
Colorado in the 1880's. Her grandmother was said to have been a Jewish
woman who had married her very Protestant husband and converted before
they came to Illinois in the 1850's >from Germany.
On a trip to Galena, Illinois, I discovered the old church records from
their parish that pointedly give her maiden name as ROSENTHAL. Family
oral history says that she was Jewish. There is nobody left who knows
the story for sure.
Forgive my ignorance about these things: is ROSENTHAL an exclusively
Jewish surname? Or is it just predominant?
I would love to add some Jewish traditions to our family gatherings, if
I thought Henriette ROSENTHAL HABICH were with us in spirit.
Please feel free to email; I may not get around to reading your posts as
soon as I'd like
thanks---Patrick HBP

Poem author? #general

malkajef@...
 

I remember reading, possibly on the internet, a striking poem about
genealogy which started:

"We are all born,
to live and then die.
When we are forgotten,
we die a second time.
The memories of our ancestors
and our telling of them
are what keeps them alive to us."

I do not recall where I got it from. Does anyone recognize this poem and
can tell me who the author is?

Jeff

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Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
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Translation DORMITS Gravestone Rotterdam #general

Rene <106141.360@...>
 

I have tried to copy the Hebrew Text of my g.grandmothers gravestone;

Her name is Betje( Beile) Dormits and she died 20 April 1938
Name husband Maurits(More) van Daelen

from right to left:
1.aleph/beth/final nun//zayin/kaph/res/waw/final nun

2.mem/aleph/taw//heth/qooph

3. mem/nun/heth//aleph/beth/lamed/yodh/final mem//he/heth/daleth/sin/he

4.ayin/lamedh//qooph/beth/dalet

5.mem/beth/yodh/lamedh/aleph/beth/taw//aleph/beth/dalet/he/finalmem//he/
nun/waw/mem

6. qooph/lamed/ayin/he/res//aleph/sin/taw//mem/sin/he//pe/aleph/final
nun//daeleth/aleph/lamedh/ayin/final nun

7.gimel/pe/teth/res/he//yodh/teth//gimel/yodh/samekh/final nun

8.taw/res/taw/cadhe/lamedh/pe/qooph

9.taw/gimel/cadhe/beth/he

I hope I did not write foolish things as I do not master the language of
all languages!

Could someone of this group please try to find out what I have written
(copied) .

Thanks

Rene Van Wijngaarden/Nederland

Egypt,Syria,Lebanon,Iraq #general

JMOSSERI@...
 

I am searching for any genealogical information on families >from these
countries. So far I've noticed that almost all posts to this list are
related to Eastern Europe or the USA. Why is that?
Is there anyone else out there that has any connections to
Egypt,Syria,Lebanon,Iraq, or any other country in the Middle-East for that
matter?
Some names I'm searching are
MOSSERI, SAFDIEH, WAHBA, MASSRI, MIZRAHI, MAZEEN, TEBELE, NESSER, NASSER,
NOSSEIR, CABASSO, SHAYO, ANZAROOT

Please contact me on or off the list so we can all possibly work together
and make some headway in this field.
Thanks in Advance,
Joseph Mosseri
jmosseri@...
nosselt@...

Origin -meaning of DORMITS name #general

Rene <106141.360@...>
 

My great grandmother's familyname was DORMITS.
Could it have something to do with the the sephardic name DORMIDO?
Who can shed a little light on the meaning /origin of DORMITS?

Regards

Rene van Wijngaarden/Holland

Searching: del VALLE/Salom del VALLE/van DAELEN/Do VALE

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen ROSENTHAL #general

Patrick Porter <phbp@...>
 

I'm just visiting this NG for a moment and I had a question about the
name ROSENTHAL---
My grandmother was a Protestant---a Lutheran, born in
Colorado in the 1880's. Her grandmother was said to have been a Jewish
woman who had married her very Protestant husband and converted before
they came to Illinois in the 1850's >from Germany.
On a trip to Galena, Illinois, I discovered the old church records from
their parish that pointedly give her maiden name as ROSENTHAL. Family
oral history says that she was Jewish. There is nobody left who knows
the story for sure.
Forgive my ignorance about these things: is ROSENTHAL an exclusively
Jewish surname? Or is it just predominant?
I would love to add some Jewish traditions to our family gatherings, if
I thought Henriette ROSENTHAL HABICH were with us in spirit.
Please feel free to email; I may not get around to reading your posts as
soon as I'd like
thanks---Patrick HBP

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Poem author? #general

malkajef@...
 

I remember reading, possibly on the internet, a striking poem about
genealogy which started:

"We are all born,
to live and then die.
When we are forgotten,
we die a second time.
The memories of our ancestors
and our telling of them
are what keeps them alive to us."

I do not recall where I got it from. Does anyone recognize this poem and
can tell me who the author is?

Jeff

--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeff Malka <malkajef@...>
-----------------------------------------------------------

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Translation DORMITS Gravestone Rotterdam #general

Rene <106141.360@...>
 

I have tried to copy the Hebrew Text of my g.grandmothers gravestone;

Her name is Betje( Beile) Dormits and she died 20 April 1938
Name husband Maurits(More) van Daelen

from right to left:
1.aleph/beth/final nun//zayin/kaph/res/waw/final nun

2.mem/aleph/taw//heth/qooph

3. mem/nun/heth//aleph/beth/lamed/yodh/final mem//he/heth/daleth/sin/he

4.ayin/lamedh//qooph/beth/dalet

5.mem/beth/yodh/lamedh/aleph/beth/taw//aleph/beth/dalet/he/finalmem//he/
nun/waw/mem

6. qooph/lamed/ayin/he/res//aleph/sin/taw//mem/sin/he//pe/aleph/final
nun//daeleth/aleph/lamedh/ayin/final nun

7.gimel/pe/teth/res/he//yodh/teth//gimel/yodh/samekh/final nun

8.taw/res/taw/cadhe/lamedh/pe/qooph

9.taw/gimel/cadhe/beth/he

I hope I did not write foolish things as I do not master the language of
all languages!

Could someone of this group please try to find out what I have written
(copied) .

Thanks

Rene Van Wijngaarden/Nederland

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Egypt,Syria,Lebanon,Iraq #general

JMOSSERI@...
 

I am searching for any genealogical information on families >from these
countries. So far I've noticed that almost all posts to this list are
related to Eastern Europe or the USA. Why is that?
Is there anyone else out there that has any connections to
Egypt,Syria,Lebanon,Iraq, or any other country in the Middle-East for that
matter?
Some names I'm searching are
MOSSERI, SAFDIEH, WAHBA, MASSRI, MIZRAHI, MAZEEN, TEBELE, NESSER, NASSER,
NOSSEIR, CABASSO, SHAYO, ANZAROOT

Please contact me on or off the list so we can all possibly work together
and make some headway in this field.
Thanks in Advance,
Joseph Mosseri
jmosseri@...
nosselt@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Origin -meaning of DORMITS name #general

Rene <106141.360@...>
 

My great grandmother's familyname was DORMITS.
Could it have something to do with the the sephardic name DORMIDO?
Who can shed a little light on the meaning /origin of DORMITS?

Regards

Rene van Wijngaarden/Holland

Searching: del VALLE/Salom del VALLE/van DAELEN/Do VALE

List of names (C-E) "Varadi zsidok" by T.Mozes #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Dear H-sigs,
=20
I am posting here, alphabeticaly, the names which appears in the book
"Varadi
zsidok" (The Jews of Nagyvarad =3D Oradea, Romania) by Terez Mozes. The
edition I had in my posession was missing this list. This year, I heard, =
it
was given out a new edition of the book including it. Anyway, my work can
be useful for the H-sigs who do not have the book and through the names c=
an
get some new information.The page numbers are next to each name. The
information use to be very short and in
most of the cases the names appears just as one name amongst others in =
a
list.=20
Carmilly-Weinberger Moshe - pg 93, 151
Citter L, T - pg 138
Csehi Gyula - pg 185
Csesznye Mordeche Reb - pg 175
Csillag Andor - pg 174, 185
Csurka Peter - pg 221
Czitter L - pg 139
Danos Miklos - pg 207
Darvas - pg 129, 131
Dauer Andras - pg 180
David Jakab Israel - pg 26
David Juda - pg 31, 35=20
David Getzel - pg 60
Denes-Grosz Sandor =96 pg 163
Denes Ignac dr - pg 139, 154, 210
Denes Zsofia - pg 199
Deutsch - pg 139
Deutsch David =96 pg 155
Deutsch Elemer dr =96 pg 153, 169, 183, 209
Deutsch Kati - pg 223
Deutsch K.I - pg 131
Deutsch Laszlo - pg 183
Deutsch Herman - pg 104, 128
Deutsch Pirit - pg 222
Deutsch Rozsi =96 pg 155
Dezsesch Brugel - pg 60=20
Diamant Mor, dr - pg 84, 90
Diosi Ignac - pg 87
Diossy Lajosn=E9 =96 pg 119
Diosi Marton - pg 45
Dreher - Haggenmacher Rt - pg 101, 139
Dreyfus - pg 107
Dukesz Salamon - pg 87
Dutka Akos =96 pg 125, 126, 141
Edelmann Menyhert =96 pg 122
Egri Alexander - pg 47
Egri Joseph - pg 47
Eichler Jakab - pg 109
Eisler Matyas, dr =96 pg 150, 151
Eliasz Ern=F6, dr =96 pg 153, 205, 210
Ember Gy=F6rgy =96 pg 125
Em=F6d Tamas =96 pg 126, 162
Epstein Samu =96 pg 169
Erdesz Istvan dr =96 pg 150
Erd=F6s Ivan - pg 182
Ertzmann Lajos, dr - pg 204, 219
E=F6tv=F6s Jozsef - pg 74, 82, 106
E=F6tv=F6s Karoly - pg 107
=20
Susanna
susanna.vendel@...
=20

Hungary SIG #Hungary List of names (C-E) "Varadi zsidok" by T.Mozes #hungary

Susanna Vendel <susanna.vendel@...>
 

Dear H-sigs,
=20
I am posting here, alphabeticaly, the names which appears in the book
"Varadi
zsidok" (The Jews of Nagyvarad =3D Oradea, Romania) by Terez Mozes. The
edition I had in my posession was missing this list. This year, I heard, =
it
was given out a new edition of the book including it. Anyway, my work can
be useful for the H-sigs who do not have the book and through the names c=
an
get some new information.The page numbers are next to each name. The
information use to be very short and in
most of the cases the names appears just as one name amongst others in =
a
list.=20
Carmilly-Weinberger Moshe - pg 93, 151
Citter L, T - pg 138
Csehi Gyula - pg 185
Csesznye Mordeche Reb - pg 175
Csillag Andor - pg 174, 185
Csurka Peter - pg 221
Czitter L - pg 139
Danos Miklos - pg 207
Darvas - pg 129, 131
Dauer Andras - pg 180
David Jakab Israel - pg 26
David Juda - pg 31, 35=20
David Getzel - pg 60
Denes-Grosz Sandor =96 pg 163
Denes Ignac dr - pg 139, 154, 210
Denes Zsofia - pg 199
Deutsch - pg 139
Deutsch David =96 pg 155
Deutsch Elemer dr =96 pg 153, 169, 183, 209
Deutsch Kati - pg 223
Deutsch K.I - pg 131
Deutsch Laszlo - pg 183
Deutsch Herman - pg 104, 128
Deutsch Pirit - pg 222
Deutsch Rozsi =96 pg 155
Dezsesch Brugel - pg 60=20
Diamant Mor, dr - pg 84, 90
Diosi Ignac - pg 87
Diossy Lajosn=E9 =96 pg 119
Diosi Marton - pg 45
Dreher - Haggenmacher Rt - pg 101, 139
Dreyfus - pg 107
Dukesz Salamon - pg 87
Dutka Akos =96 pg 125, 126, 141
Edelmann Menyhert =96 pg 122
Egri Alexander - pg 47
Egri Joseph - pg 47
Eichler Jakab - pg 109
Eisler Matyas, dr =96 pg 150, 151
Eliasz Ern=F6, dr =96 pg 153, 205, 210
Ember Gy=F6rgy =96 pg 125
Em=F6d Tamas =96 pg 126, 162
Epstein Samu =96 pg 169
Erdesz Istvan dr =96 pg 150
Erd=F6s Ivan - pg 182
Ertzmann Lajos, dr - pg 204, 219
E=F6tv=F6s Jozsef - pg 74, 82, 106
E=F6tv=F6s Karoly - pg 107
=20
Susanna
susanna.vendel@...
=20

JHSE #general

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Rene van Wijngaarden asked :

1.Is there anyone who has the address(postal/.electronic) of the Jewish
Hist. Society of England?

33 Seymour Place London W1H 5AP
jhse@...

NOTE: This office is an administrative office, they do not do any
research. they do have back copies of many of the Transactions.


2. I like to find out too if there is a Jewish Genner who has easy access
to the the socalled "Transactions" of this Jewish Historical Society of
England as there are some?
I think the JGS of Nederlands has a set .

3. Is this publication( Transactions) Indexed ?
Yes
<snip> re: del VALLE, do VALE, Salom del VALLE.

Suggest your better source of enquiry would be to:

Miriam Rodriques-Perreira
Archivist
Spanish and Portuguese JewsCongregation
2 Ashworth road
Maida Vale
London W9 1JY
Fax +44 171 289 2709

a search fee may be charged.
--
Dr Saul Issroff
JGS Great Britain
http://wwwjgsgb.ort.org

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JHSE #general

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

Rene van Wijngaarden asked :

1.Is there anyone who has the address(postal/.electronic) of the Jewish
Hist. Society of England?

33 Seymour Place London W1H 5AP
jhse@...

NOTE: This office is an administrative office, they do not do any
research. they do have back copies of many of the Transactions.


2. I like to find out too if there is a Jewish Genner who has easy access
to the the socalled "Transactions" of this Jewish Historical Society of
England as there are some?
I think the JGS of Nederlands has a set .

3. Is this publication( Transactions) Indexed ?
Yes
<snip> re: del VALLE, do VALE, Salom del VALLE.

Suggest your better source of enquiry would be to:

Miriam Rodriques-Perreira
Archivist
Spanish and Portuguese JewsCongregation
2 Ashworth road
Maida Vale
London W9 1JY
Fax +44 171 289 2709

a search fee may be charged.
--
Dr Saul Issroff
JGS Great Britain
http://wwwjgsgb.ort.org

New Haven Cemetery Listings on Web #general

WHirsch869 <whirsch869@...>
 

A new page has been added to the New Haven Jewish Historical Soc. web site with
listings of burials, copied >from the gravestones, for the Mishkan Israel
Cemetery in New Haven and >from the Bene Scholem Cemetery in Hamden. These were
the first Jewish cemeteries established in the New Haven area. This list was
originally prepared for the State of Connecticut in the 1930s, and is known as
the Hale Collection.

The list contains over 1100 names and dates of death. The earliest burials on
the list are in the 1840s and the latest in 1934. There is a further
description on the web page.

You can find it at:

http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/hale-jgs.htm


Werner
--
Werner S. Hirsch, Curator, Jewish Historical Soc. of Gr. New Haven (CT)
http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/
Reply to: <whirsch869@...> or <whirsch@...>

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen New Haven Cemetery Listings on Web #general

WHirsch869 <whirsch869@...>
 

A new page has been added to the New Haven Jewish Historical Soc. web site with
listings of burials, copied >from the gravestones, for the Mishkan Israel
Cemetery in New Haven and >from the Bene Scholem Cemetery in Hamden. These were
the first Jewish cemeteries established in the New Haven area. This list was
originally prepared for the State of Connecticut in the 1930s, and is known as
the Hale Collection.

The list contains over 1100 names and dates of death. The earliest burials on
the list are in the 1840s and the latest in 1934. There is a further
description on the web page.

You can find it at:

http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/hale-jgs.htm


Werner
--
Werner S. Hirsch, Curator, Jewish Historical Soc. of Gr. New Haven (CT)
http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/
Reply to: <whirsch869@...> or <whirsch@...>

Re: Surname of CHRISTIAN #general

Dick Plotz
 

Harold Pollins asks about Jews with "Christian" as a forename.

In early-to-mid-19th century Germany, it was common to give women civil names
that incorporated the Yiddish name as part of the civil name, sometimes with a
slight variation. So Mina became Wilhelmina, Gittel became Brigitte, Bella
became Sibilla.

There is a Yiddish name Tina, whose origin I have read about but don't
remember, and I have seen two or three instances of a Tina with the civil name
Christina (and a Hubertine, which is another name that in that time and place
was 100% Christian...except for this one exception). These were all women
whose children had typical Jewish forenames and married within the Jewish
community. I am certain that they no more thought of Christina as having a
particular Christian meaning than we do, for instance, Natalie, which refers
to Christmas. They were certainly known within the Jewish community as Tina
(I know that Hubertine was), but then Wilhelmina went by Mina, etc., until
much later in the century.

--
Dick Plotz
Providence RI
Dick@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Surname of CHRISTIAN #general

Dick Plotz
 

Harold Pollins asks about Jews with "Christian" as a forename.

In early-to-mid-19th century Germany, it was common to give women civil names
that incorporated the Yiddish name as part of the civil name, sometimes with a
slight variation. So Mina became Wilhelmina, Gittel became Brigitte, Bella
became Sibilla.

There is a Yiddish name Tina, whose origin I have read about but don't
remember, and I have seen two or three instances of a Tina with the civil name
Christina (and a Hubertine, which is another name that in that time and place
was 100% Christian...except for this one exception). These were all women
whose children had typical Jewish forenames and married within the Jewish
community. I am certain that they no more thought of Christina as having a
particular Christian meaning than we do, for instance, Natalie, which refers
to Christmas. They were certainly known within the Jewish community as Tina
(I know that Hubertine was), but then Wilhelmina went by Mina, etc., until
much later in the century.

--
Dick Plotz
Providence RI
Dick@...

Re: "Transactions " JHSE , UK #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Answers to your questions.
1. 33 Seymour Place, London, W1H 5AP
FAX 0171 723 5852

2. Why 'so-called' Transactions? They have been published for over 100
years. The Society has also published a separate series called
Miscellanies. They used to be printed separately but in more recent years
were bound with copies of the Transactions.

3. Each volume has its own Index and I know of two consolidated ones: one
dealing with publications during the years 1893 to 1945 and a later one (I
haven't the later one to hand). The Index covers both the Transactions and
the Miscellanies.

Family of del VALLE. My Index for 1893-1945 does include entries for
Abigail del VALLE in Miscellanies vol II page 77, and for Isaac del VALLE
in Miscellanies vol III page 91, and Transactions vol VII pages 275, 276. I
do not know if these are substantial references or merely passing mentions.
There may be other references to the family in the later Index which is
temporarily mislaid in what is laughably called my office at home.

Harold Pollins
Oxford England
pollins@...
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Rene van Wijngaarden wrote about Transactions of JHSE, UK

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: "Transactions " JHSE , UK #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Answers to your questions.
1. 33 Seymour Place, London, W1H 5AP
FAX 0171 723 5852

2. Why 'so-called' Transactions? They have been published for over 100
years. The Society has also published a separate series called
Miscellanies. They used to be printed separately but in more recent years
were bound with copies of the Transactions.

3. Each volume has its own Index and I know of two consolidated ones: one
dealing with publications during the years 1893 to 1945 and a later one (I
haven't the later one to hand). The Index covers both the Transactions and
the Miscellanies.

Family of del VALLE. My Index for 1893-1945 does include entries for
Abigail del VALLE in Miscellanies vol II page 77, and for Isaac del VALLE
in Miscellanies vol III page 91, and Transactions vol VII pages 275, 276. I
do not know if these are substantial references or merely passing mentions.
There may be other references to the family in the later Index which is
temporarily mislaid in what is laughably called my office at home.

Harold Pollins
Oxford England
pollins@...
----------
Rene van Wijngaarden wrote about Transactions of JHSE, UK