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"dicussion about discussion" #general

ET <termite@...>
 

Dear Genners:

G_D blesses the person "in power" who has a sense of humor!
With humor all becomes possible.

Regards,
Elliott (ET) Terman
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "dicussion about discussion" #general

ET <termite@...>
 

Dear Genners:

G_D blesses the person "in power" who has a sense of humor!
With humor all becomes possible.

Regards,
Elliott (ET) Terman
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Re: Searching: FACK #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:51:20 EDT, patindy@... writes:

<< Does anyone knows any jewish people with the name "FACK" ? >>

==FALK is a popular name. Then there is FACKENHEIM or FAKTOR and other names
which can be contracted. I suggest a search through Jewish Family finder,
both "start with" and "soundex" to bring up possible names.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching: FACK #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-25 23:51:20 EDT, patindy@... writes:

<< Does anyone knows any jewish people with the name "FACK" ? >>

==FALK is a popular name. Then there is FACKENHEIM or FAKTOR and other names
which can be contracted. I suggest a search through Jewish Family finder,
both "start with" and "soundex" to bring up possible names.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

Searching: Nettie HANISON, Philadelphia, 1903 #general

Tim Baker <tbaker@...>
 

Nettie HANISON married David SCHUMAN in Bellingham, WA
on Aug. 8, 1903. She was born in Russia, but lived in Philadelphia
before her marriage at age 20. Her parents are listed on the
marriage return as: Am HANISON and Atta (?) YOFFE. (Written as
"YEFFE on the return.)
Anyone familiar enough with old Philadelphia families to know
anything more about these people, or where they were >from in
Russia?

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA, USA
tbaker@...

Re: What was Isaac WAGMAN doing in Tashkent? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Yes Jews like all men were "drafted" into the Russian Army during the Tsar's
time. My great grandfather ran >from central Ukraine for that very reason in
1904. He waited six months after his youngest child wass born and ran like
the wind after that to get out before he disappeared into the Army.
Interestingly I know he came alone to the United States and just recently I
found his passenger list. I was very happy to see that he was not really
alone. He was -- of course -- one of many in steerage but as I read down the
list I see he came to a broker on the Lower East Side of New York. But the
reall interesting part is how many men >from the same area/city were aboard the
ship. I know he was not entirely alone in the world and I wonder if they ran
in groups.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...

Which Zvenigorodka is correct for GOLLUB family?? #general

Joytorch@...
 

Hi to all !
I recently found a shtetl that part of my family is from. When I went into
Shtetlseeker
I got responses. How can I figure out which is correct. Counting duplicates
there are
4 different locations listed. They range >from 95-281 mi >from Kiev. How can I
figure out how to edit my Family Finder file to be correct without knowing
which is correct?

Thank all of the wise ones for all the help.

Joy Torchin (joytorch@...)
Anaheim Hills CA

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Nettie HANISON, Philadelphia, 1903 #general

Tim Baker <tbaker@...>
 

Nettie HANISON married David SCHUMAN in Bellingham, WA
on Aug. 8, 1903. She was born in Russia, but lived in Philadelphia
before her marriage at age 20. Her parents are listed on the
marriage return as: Am HANISON and Atta (?) YOFFE. (Written as
"YEFFE on the return.)
Anyone familiar enough with old Philadelphia families to know
anything more about these people, or where they were >from in
Russia?

Tim Baker
Bellingham WA, USA
tbaker@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What was Isaac WAGMAN doing in Tashkent? #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Yes Jews like all men were "drafted" into the Russian Army during the Tsar's
time. My great grandfather ran >from central Ukraine for that very reason in
1904. He waited six months after his youngest child wass born and ran like
the wind after that to get out before he disappeared into the Army.
Interestingly I know he came alone to the United States and just recently I
found his passenger list. I was very happy to see that he was not really
alone. He was -- of course -- one of many in steerage but as I read down the
list I see he came to a broker on the Lower East Side of New York. But the
reall interesting part is how many men >from the same area/city were aboard the
ship. I know he was not entirely alone in the world and I wonder if they ran
in groups.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Which Zvenigorodka is correct for GOLLUB family?? #general

Joytorch@...
 

Hi to all !
I recently found a shtetl that part of my family is from. When I went into
Shtetlseeker
I got responses. How can I figure out which is correct. Counting duplicates
there are
4 different locations listed. They range >from 95-281 mi >from Kiev. How can I
figure out how to edit my Family Finder file to be correct without knowing
which is correct?

Thank all of the wise ones for all the help.

Joy Torchin (joytorch@...)
Anaheim Hills CA

Re: Mental Institution in Central Islip #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Anita Frankel wrote:

Hi all:
On Aug 23 Ricki Zunk sought info. about a "mental institution in Central
Islip, NY, within the time frame 1920-1938. He asked for a private response
but I think that other members of the group might benefit >from such
information. I too am interested in the "Central Islip Psychiatric Center".
Does anyone know if 60 to 70 year old records might be available for
genealogical purposes?

TIA
Anita Frankel
Dear Anita, and All Interested JGers:

#1 - Ricki is a "she" not a "he."

#2 - IF and WHEN I received a response >from Central Islip Psych. Center, I
shall most certainly post a reply to the entire group. I have received more
than 50 posts >from people interested in learning more about the records of this
facility. Apparently, they cared for people with all sorts of problems (both
physical and mental).

#3 - Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to share what they know with
me. In this particular instance, I believe that we will all need to depend on
one another in order to get the most information >from this resource as possible.

#4 - I always share.

(Mrs.) Ricki Lynn Randall Zunk
Kendall (just south of Coral Gables), FL
<rickiz@...>

Central Islip #general

RMiller871@...
 

Since thee were so many replies to the request for information on Central
Islip State Hospital on Long Island, I thought this would be of general
interest even though I have already responded privately.

from Ricki:
Boy, did I ever open a flood gate when I asked about this place. I've
received
over 50 posts >from people who also are interested in what kind of information
I
can get >from CI. It must have been a repository for all sorts of "problem


Your tale is a rather common one. My ggm was there for 25 years and died
there in 1946. I live locally so I'm very aware of what the hospital was all
about. It no longer exists today as a separate entity.

There were 3 extremely large psychiatric hospitals on Long Island: Kings Park
State, Pilgrim State and Central Islip State. CI was the oldest and largest.
They have been greatly downsized and today exist as one. There is a medical
records building that houses the records of all the patients. It is likely
the person you are seeking has microfilmed records. If he died there, they
should be able to provide a copy of his death cert. If you run into a problem
with that, let me know and I can give you further leads.

If you write or call the information below, they should be able to locate the
records and tell you what they have. They can be quite cooperative or quite
evasive. Ask for a photocopy of his admission card and any genealogical
information found in the record. However, if you have specific information
you want, such as descendents, be specific in your letter. They will probably
ask for proof of relationship as they are extremely concerned about the
legality of the privacy issue. There is extreme sensitivity on their part.
The charge was (is?) $ 10 for a copy of the death cert.

Write to:
Milo Maldonado, RN
Chairperson, Medical Records Access Review Committee
Kings Park Psychiatric Center
998 Crooked Hill Road
West Brentwood, NY 11717-1087
(516) 434 5046 FAX (516) 434-5107

If you learn that he was there in 1915 or 1925, there is a NYS census that
would have him listed. Often, in the 1925 census there is an address given
prior to admission. Central Islip State Hospital can also be found in the
federal census for 1900, 1910 and 1920. It is located in Suffolk County, NY.

I plan on building a database of all Jewish people who were in CI for all the
census years. This is a very large project and I haven't really started the
entering in my database. Hopefully, I will have a good chunk of it ready for
the Summer Seminar in NY. PLEASE do not ask me to do a look up as at this
point I would have to do the same search as you. As my database builds, I
will post a notice on JewishGen and do look ups at that point. The interest
in this posting is encouraging to get me moving on it!

Rhoda Miller
Long Island, NY


MODERATOR'S NOTE: This seems like an appropriate time to end the thread
on psychiatric hospitals on Long Island.

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Mental Institution in Central Islip #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Anita Frankel wrote:

Hi all:
On Aug 23 Ricki Zunk sought info. about a "mental institution in Central
Islip, NY, within the time frame 1920-1938. He asked for a private response
but I think that other members of the group might benefit >from such
information. I too am interested in the "Central Islip Psychiatric Center".
Does anyone know if 60 to 70 year old records might be available for
genealogical purposes?

TIA
Anita Frankel
Dear Anita, and All Interested JGers:

#1 - Ricki is a "she" not a "he."

#2 - IF and WHEN I received a response >from Central Islip Psych. Center, I
shall most certainly post a reply to the entire group. I have received more
than 50 posts >from people interested in learning more about the records of this
facility. Apparently, they cared for people with all sorts of problems (both
physical and mental).

#3 - Thank you to everyone who was kind enough to share what they know with
me. In this particular instance, I believe that we will all need to depend on
one another in order to get the most information >from this resource as possible.

#4 - I always share.

(Mrs.) Ricki Lynn Randall Zunk
Kendall (just south of Coral Gables), FL
<rickiz@...>

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Central Islip #general

RMiller871@...
 

Since thee were so many replies to the request for information on Central
Islip State Hospital on Long Island, I thought this would be of general
interest even though I have already responded privately.

from Ricki:
Boy, did I ever open a flood gate when I asked about this place. I've
received
over 50 posts >from people who also are interested in what kind of information
I
can get >from CI. It must have been a repository for all sorts of "problem


Your tale is a rather common one. My ggm was there for 25 years and died
there in 1946. I live locally so I'm very aware of what the hospital was all
about. It no longer exists today as a separate entity.

There were 3 extremely large psychiatric hospitals on Long Island: Kings Park
State, Pilgrim State and Central Islip State. CI was the oldest and largest.
They have been greatly downsized and today exist as one. There is a medical
records building that houses the records of all the patients. It is likely
the person you are seeking has microfilmed records. If he died there, they
should be able to provide a copy of his death cert. If you run into a problem
with that, let me know and I can give you further leads.

If you write or call the information below, they should be able to locate the
records and tell you what they have. They can be quite cooperative or quite
evasive. Ask for a photocopy of his admission card and any genealogical
information found in the record. However, if you have specific information
you want, such as descendents, be specific in your letter. They will probably
ask for proof of relationship as they are extremely concerned about the
legality of the privacy issue. There is extreme sensitivity on their part.
The charge was (is?) $ 10 for a copy of the death cert.

Write to:
Milo Maldonado, RN
Chairperson, Medical Records Access Review Committee
Kings Park Psychiatric Center
998 Crooked Hill Road
West Brentwood, NY 11717-1087
(516) 434 5046 FAX (516) 434-5107

If you learn that he was there in 1915 or 1925, there is a NYS census that
would have him listed. Often, in the 1925 census there is an address given
prior to admission. Central Islip State Hospital can also be found in the
federal census for 1900, 1910 and 1920. It is located in Suffolk County, NY.

I plan on building a database of all Jewish people who were in CI for all the
census years. This is a very large project and I haven't really started the
entering in my database. Hopefully, I will have a good chunk of it ready for
the Summer Seminar in NY. PLEASE do not ask me to do a look up as at this
point I would have to do the same search as you. As my database builds, I
will post a notice on JewishGen and do look ups at that point. The interest
in this posting is encouraging to get me moving on it!

Rhoda Miller
Long Island, NY


MODERATOR'S NOTE: This seems like an appropriate time to end the thread
on psychiatric hospitals on Long Island.

Boston Jewish Advocate Obituary Index Update #general

DAVID ROSEN <72426.1553@...>
 

I am pleased to announce the second update to the Boston Jewish
Advocate Obituary Index. Thanks to help >from Sandy Kronik of the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Greater Boston the index now covers the period
from January 1941 through August 1998 and indexes over 17,500 obits.

This data base can be searched at :

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/advocate.htm

Thanks also to Michael Tobias for posting the update.




David Rosen
Boston
72426.1553@...

Searching: SCHLANGER/KAMPF/MILBAUER #general

E Elsar <eelsar@...>
 

Does any one have any information regarding these Surnames
SCHLANGER - >from Mielec or Madjan in Poland (Pre World War I)
Also same general area the names KAMPF and MILBAUER

Mordechai Schlanger

Searching: Reb CHAITOWITZ, Reb FRIEDMAN, Reb RABINOWITZ #general

james gross <larklane@...>
 

Hello,
I am researching CHAITOWITZ and am enclosing some info.

Sandy Bursten (sandybee@...) writes:
My husband's great grandfather, known as Morris GOLDBERG,
changed the name >from HAITOVITCH
Best as I can figure, they were >from the Kovno area. Morris
married Dora RABINOWITZ, and they had 5 sons.
Dora and the sons went to London in the late 1800s. As for the
sons, Lazarus went to Canada and later to Milwaukee; Louis went
to Milwaukee; Barnet and Solly stayed in London; and David
emigrated to Australia. Lazarus was my husband's grandfather.
My relative, Mirium (FRIEDMAN) married Rabbi Yaacov CHAITOWITZ. Mirium
was the daughter of Reb Hersh FRIEDMAN & Eigeleh (RABINOWITZ). Eigeleh
was >from Paswol Lithuania. Her father was reb Bezalel RABINOWITZ and her
mother was Gittel, a relation of the late chief rabbi of Palestine,
Reb Abraham Isaac Hacohen KOOK.

Abraham S Goldberg (100274.3335@...) writes:
Aside >from a general interest in Rabbi A I KOOK, who was a very
interesting person, I have two specific personal interests. First,
he was Rabbi of a London community Secondly, I have an
incidental interest in Rabbi Mordechai Gimpel YAFFE who was a
nephew of Rabbi KOOK. One of YAFFE's daughters (Ruchama)
was married to a Yosef GOLDBERG and I have been trying
for years to track them down!
shared by:
James H. Gross
Cherry Hill, N.J.
e-mail: larklane@...
Gross-Steinberg Family Tree
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6721/

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Boston Jewish Advocate Obituary Index Update #general

DAVID ROSEN <72426.1553@...>
 

I am pleased to announce the second update to the Boston Jewish
Advocate Obituary Index. Thanks to help >from Sandy Kronik of the Jewish
Genealogical Society of Greater Boston the index now covers the period
from January 1941 through August 1998 and indexes over 17,500 obits.

This data base can be searched at :

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/advocate.htm

Thanks also to Michael Tobias for posting the update.




David Rosen
Boston
72426.1553@...

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SCHLANGER/KAMPF/MILBAUER #general

E Elsar <eelsar@...>
 

Does any one have any information regarding these Surnames
SCHLANGER - >from Mielec or Madjan in Poland (Pre World War I)
Also same general area the names KAMPF and MILBAUER

Mordechai Schlanger

JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Reb CHAITOWITZ, Reb FRIEDMAN, Reb RABINOWITZ #general

james gross <larklane@...>
 

Hello,
I am researching CHAITOWITZ and am enclosing some info.

Sandy Bursten (sandybee@...) writes:
My husband's great grandfather, known as Morris GOLDBERG,
changed the name >from HAITOVITCH
Best as I can figure, they were >from the Kovno area. Morris
married Dora RABINOWITZ, and they had 5 sons.
Dora and the sons went to London in the late 1800s. As for the
sons, Lazarus went to Canada and later to Milwaukee; Louis went
to Milwaukee; Barnet and Solly stayed in London; and David
emigrated to Australia. Lazarus was my husband's grandfather.
My relative, Mirium (FRIEDMAN) married Rabbi Yaacov CHAITOWITZ. Mirium
was the daughter of Reb Hersh FRIEDMAN & Eigeleh (RABINOWITZ). Eigeleh
was >from Paswol Lithuania. Her father was reb Bezalel RABINOWITZ and her
mother was Gittel, a relation of the late chief rabbi of Palestine,
Reb Abraham Isaac Hacohen KOOK.

Abraham S Goldberg (100274.3335@...) writes:
Aside >from a general interest in Rabbi A I KOOK, who was a very
interesting person, I have two specific personal interests. First,
he was Rabbi of a London community Secondly, I have an
incidental interest in Rabbi Mordechai Gimpel YAFFE who was a
nephew of Rabbi KOOK. One of YAFFE's daughters (Ruchama)
was married to a Yosef GOLDBERG and I have been trying
for years to track them down!
shared by:
James H. Gross
Cherry Hill, N.J.
e-mail: larklane@...
Gross-Steinberg Family Tree
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/6721/