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Invitation to Hsig #hungary

ALEX M P MILLER <alexm6@...>
 

Hello All,

I thought it would be nice to have amongst us all the great authors that
have written books of HSIg interest:
Susan Rubin-Suleiman
Charles Fenyvesi
Elaine Naves
Hellen Epstein
Etc. Etc.

Any idea how to present to them our curious membership and invite their
presence to our on-going virtual dialogue?

Best regards, Szervusz

Alex Miller Reading Pennsylvania

___________________________________________________________________
mod. - some of the people listed are on the h-sig newsgroup


Hungary SIG #Hungary Invitation to Hsig #hungary

ALEX M P MILLER <alexm6@...>
 

Hello All,

I thought it would be nice to have amongst us all the great authors that
have written books of HSIg interest:
Susan Rubin-Suleiman
Charles Fenyvesi
Elaine Naves
Hellen Epstein
Etc. Etc.

Any idea how to present to them our curious membership and invite their
presence to our on-going virtual dialogue?

Best regards, Szervusz

Alex Miller Reading Pennsylvania

___________________________________________________________________
mod. - some of the people listed are on the h-sig newsgroup


Re: h-sig digest: October 07, 1998 #hungary

Rakoff125
 

Sheryl and genners,
For those seeking a good, even great, site with maps of Hungary go to:

http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/History/hungary/shields.html

Bring your magnifying lenses..it helps. If anyone knows how to make good
prints of this stuff >from the computer let me know, I get fuzzy hard to read
maps.
Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: h-sig digest: October 07, 1998 #hungary

Rakoff125
 

Sheryl and genners,
For those seeking a good, even great, site with maps of Hungary go to:

http://www.msstate.edu/Archives/History/hungary/shields.html

Bring your magnifying lenses..it helps. If anyone knows how to make good
prints of this stuff >from the computer let me know, I get fuzzy hard to read
maps.
Linda Rakoff, Newton, MA


E-mail Problems #hungary

Gabriela P. Svatos <gsvatos@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

My internet provider has been having difficulties receiving e-mail.
Sorry for those who have had their messages to me bounce. I have set up
a new hotmail account until the problem is cleared up.

gsvatos@hotmail.com

Sorry,

Gabi Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario

Researching:

STEINER-Vienna
RIEGER-Vienna
SPITZ-Lestiny, Dolny Kubin
PREISS/PREIS-Lestiny, Zilina

EHRENTHAL/ERDOS-Levice, Nitra
FOLDES-Budapest
DUKESZ-Nitra, Zlate Moravce


Hungary SIG #Hungary E-mail Problems #hungary

Gabriela P. Svatos <gsvatos@...>
 

Dear Fellow Researchers,

My internet provider has been having difficulties receiving e-mail.
Sorry for those who have had their messages to me bounce. I have set up
a new hotmail account until the problem is cleared up.

gsvatos@hotmail.com

Sorry,

Gabi Svatos
Richmond Hill, Ontario

Researching:

STEINER-Vienna
RIEGER-Vienna
SPITZ-Lestiny, Dolny Kubin
PREISS/PREIS-Lestiny, Zilina

EHRENTHAL/ERDOS-Levice, Nitra
FOLDES-Budapest
DUKESZ-Nitra, Zlate Moravce


Re: Counties from 1848 census #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Sheryl Kastriner asked:

Which counties would have come next closest to Gyor, especially headi=
ng West, in the direction of Vienna

Moson and Sopron border Gyor on the west. Note that 1848 Census records
for Gyor are on two different films. Records for the city are on 0719823
while records for Gyor County are on 0719824.


Vivian K.


Gyor Martyrs List #hungary

Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
 

I found this website which should interest those researching Gyor:

http://www2.cybernex.net/~search/gyorlistad.html


I tried erasing various parts of the address, adding "index", etc, but could
not find a home page associated with the list. Perhaps someone should
contact the owner of the cybernex.net page (which does load) to find out who
posted the Gyor list and if there are any related pages.

In order to see the whole list, change the "ad" near the end of the address
to the following:

eg, hk, lr, and finally sz. These are of course the range of initial
letters of the family names covered on each page.


Robert


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Counties from 1848 census #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

Sheryl Kastriner asked:

Which counties would have come next closest to Gyor, especially headi=
ng West, in the direction of Vienna

Moson and Sopron border Gyor on the west. Note that 1848 Census records
for Gyor are on two different films. Records for the city are on 0719823
while records for Gyor County are on 0719824.


Vivian K.


Hungary SIG #Hungary Gyor Martyrs List #hungary

Robert & Sarah Klein <hamoreh@...>
 

I found this website which should interest those researching Gyor:

http://www2.cybernex.net/~search/gyorlistad.html


I tried erasing various parts of the address, adding "index", etc, but could
not find a home page associated with the list. Perhaps someone should
contact the owner of the cybernex.net page (which does load) to find out who
posted the Gyor list and if there are any related pages.

In order to see the whole list, change the "ad" near the end of the address
to the following:

eg, hk, lr, and finally sz. These are of course the range of initial
letters of the family names covered on each page.


Robert


Re: Names from 1848 Census #hungary

korman3@...
 

Farkas is an Hungarian equivalent of Wilhelm/Wilmos/Zev. And Kadi is in
all probability Kati/Katalin. I have all of those names in my family
tree.

I think you've found what you are looking for!

Debbi


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Names from 1848 Census #hungary

korman3@...
 

Farkas is an Hungarian equivalent of Wilhelm/Wilmos/Zev. And Kadi is in
all probability Kati/Katalin. I have all of those names in my family
tree.

I think you've found what you are looking for!

Debbi


Kassa / Eperjes #hungary

George Eotvos <familyt@...>
 

Dear Members,

Many times we come across the problem that whenever you would only like
to get 1 or 2 records or you would only need some brief research have done
at the Slovakian Archives, most of the cases the travel costs doubled or
tripled the research fee. Now we would like to offer a solution for
this.

In the future we will visit an in advance indicated archive in Slovakia
and will be there for a week in order to do all the so called "little"
works. At the beginning of every month we will let you know which one is the chosen archive. In October, for example, we are going to go to Kassa
(Kosice) and Eperjes (Presov), while in November, as it can be seen now,
to Besztercebanya (Banska Bystrica).

Doing so we can conduct these kind of works without meaning significant
or uneconomical expenses for you. Thus those of you who has questions or requests regarding the towns the material of which can be found in Kassa or Eperjes, please contact us as soon as possible. We will send a quotation for all of the inquiries. Please put the words KASSA/EPERJES into the subject column.

Best regards,

George

--
George Eotvos
Family Tree Ltd. (Csaladfa Kft)
Partner & Managing Director


Hungary SIG #Hungary Kassa / Eperjes #hungary

George Eotvos <familyt@...>
 

Dear Members,

Many times we come across the problem that whenever you would only like
to get 1 or 2 records or you would only need some brief research have done
at the Slovakian Archives, most of the cases the travel costs doubled or
tripled the research fee. Now we would like to offer a solution for
this.

In the future we will visit an in advance indicated archive in Slovakia
and will be there for a week in order to do all the so called "little"
works. At the beginning of every month we will let you know which one is the chosen archive. In October, for example, we are going to go to Kassa
(Kosice) and Eperjes (Presov), while in November, as it can be seen now,
to Besztercebanya (Banska Bystrica).

Doing so we can conduct these kind of works without meaning significant
or uneconomical expenses for you. Thus those of you who has questions or requests regarding the towns the material of which can be found in Kassa or Eperjes, please contact us as soon as possible. We will send a quotation for all of the inquiries. Please put the words KASSA/EPERJES into the subject column.

Best regards,

George

--
George Eotvos
Family Tree Ltd. (Csaladfa Kft)
Partner & Managing Director


* Auschwitz inmates records and fate #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

I just received a letter >from the Auschwitz Museum, containing quite
detailed data about the fate of 7 of my close relatives. It took them about
3 months to reply to my original request. For those who are interested in
obtaining similar information, here is the procedure:

1. Don't send email. They will NOT reply. Write instead. Their address is:

Panstowe Muzeum Oswiecim Brzezinka
Mr. Jerzy Wroblewski - Director
32-603 Oswiecim 5
Polska - Poland
Phone: (0-33) 432-022
Fax: (0-33) 431-934

They seem to understand English but their reply came in Polish :(

2. Inform them what you wish, stating clearly your intentions - is it for
genealogical research or what?

3. If you have names and any other information about family members sent to
this camp, tell them all you know. If you only suspect that they were sent
to Auschwitz, tell them the *full* names of persons you wish them to look
up. I heard that they will not do blind name searches. I knew a lot about 7
people, I got complete record extracts for all of them.

4. Do no expect to hear that people were killed there. Their answer is
laconic: the documented person was still on the camp's record on date
so-and-so. I heard that this is the entry when that person was executed.
They will also inform if the person was transferred to an other KZ.

5. There is no cost for this service; you just have to be patient.

6. For further searches they refer you to the following organization. You
can try this too:

Internationaler Sucherdienst
(International Search Service)
Grosse Allee 5-9
D-34444 Arolsen
Deutschland - Germany

I hope this is useful to some. May the memory of all our martyrs
live in our hearts.
b'Shalom
Tom


Hungary SIG #Hungary * Auschwitz inmates records and fate #hungary

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

Dear all,

I just received a letter >from the Auschwitz Museum, containing quite
detailed data about the fate of 7 of my close relatives. It took them about
3 months to reply to my original request. For those who are interested in
obtaining similar information, here is the procedure:

1. Don't send email. They will NOT reply. Write instead. Their address is:

Panstowe Muzeum Oswiecim Brzezinka
Mr. Jerzy Wroblewski - Director
32-603 Oswiecim 5
Polska - Poland
Phone: (0-33) 432-022
Fax: (0-33) 431-934

They seem to understand English but their reply came in Polish :(

2. Inform them what you wish, stating clearly your intentions - is it for
genealogical research or what?

3. If you have names and any other information about family members sent to
this camp, tell them all you know. If you only suspect that they were sent
to Auschwitz, tell them the *full* names of persons you wish them to look
up. I heard that they will not do blind name searches. I knew a lot about 7
people, I got complete record extracts for all of them.

4. Do no expect to hear that people were killed there. Their answer is
laconic: the documented person was still on the camp's record on date
so-and-so. I heard that this is the entry when that person was executed.
They will also inform if the person was transferred to an other KZ.

5. There is no cost for this service; you just have to be patient.

6. For further searches they refer you to the following organization. You
can try this too:

Internationaler Sucherdienst
(International Search Service)
Grosse Allee 5-9
D-34444 Arolsen
Deutschland - Germany

I hope this is useful to some. May the memory of all our martyrs
live in our hearts.
b'Shalom
Tom


Re: Kati and Farkas #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

On 10/8/98, Ed Zwieback wrote....you wrote ....

The wife is listed as Kadi Kohn; can I assume that Kadi is
the same as Katalin?
The husband is listed as Farkas Polak; I was looking for Wilhelm or Jozef
Pollak. I'm not familiar with the name Farkas; what can that be equal to?

Farkas is Hungarian for Wolf. Velvel would be a Yiddish translation. Kati
(Katie, Katalin) is a fairly common woman's name.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

BAAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Satu Mare, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.);/Ujvaros, Szinervaralja, Hung. (Siene, Rom.), NYC, Detroit, Israel
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Deans, NJ, Netanyu, Israel
KAHN/KAHAN/COHEN/Sighetu Marmatei, Rom.(Sziget, Maramaros, Hun), London,
NYC, Los Angeles
KOHN/Vranov n. Toplou, Slovakia (Varanno, Zemplen, Hun)
LIMOS/Hungary, Bratislava?
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/Ostrov (Ozstro), Sobrance (Szobrancz, Hun.),
Michalovce, Slov. (Nagymihaly, Hun.), Munkacs,Ungvar, NYC
MOSS/Washington Heights, Queeens, NYC
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce (Nagymihaly, Hun.), Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov n. Toplou (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt),
Slov.,Washington Hts, Queens, NYC


Names 2 #hungary

Georg Gaugusch <e9526666@...>
 

I sent the following message to the H-Sig on 031098, but it never arrived.
It is in one case quite important for the hungarian jewry. Between 1820 and
1890 many galician jews went southwards and went to Hungary and Vienna.
Many changed their ridiculous names in "modern" or "camouflage" names. Some
odd names, which are only found in certain villages in Slovakia, could have
a source in this.

On my last posting a excluded Galicia: The mayor reason for this was, that
the galician names are completely different >from all other jewish names.
When Emperor Joseph II gave his "Toleranzpatent" in 1781 and the order that
all jews had to choose a german surname (he did this because if anyone
wanted to be a merchant he had to have a fix name, so the jewish habit that
one person has different names (the compagnon of Samuel Oppenheimer name
was Schlesinger or Margulies or Margulies-Jafe or Guens) was very
unpractical for everyday-trade. He gave the authority of choosing the names
to the local rabbis. That is the reason why some communities have odd names
(like Lundenburg etc.), because some rabbis were fund of sophisticed names.
If you had money you could buy a name. When Poland was split up between
Austria, Russia and Prussia between 1772 and 1795, there was no such
structure there. So called military-commissions gave name to the jews. If
you paid some money, you got the name you liked (mostly nice sounding
german names like Wiesenberg, Wiesenthal, Wiesengruen, Rosenberg.
Rosenthal, Rosenzweig etc.) Poor jews got their names, and their are mainly
two groups. In the case, the commission wasn't antisemitic they got names
like Lichtblau, Hellblau, Dunkelblau, Steingrau, Rosenrot (all kind of
colours) properties: Wechsler, Borger, Gerngross, etc. or
"invention-names": Weinstein, Steinwein, Reingold, Faingold, ... The
composition was schematic.
If the commission was antisemitic the result was like the following:
Borgmirwas means: Lend me something
Nussenfress means: eating nuts
Rindskopf means: Head of a cow
Kuessemich means: Kiss me
Notleider means: Somebody who suffers
Dintenfass means: inkstand
Temperaturwechsel means: changing of the temperature
Kanarienvogel means: canary bird
Achselgeruch means: smell of the arm-pit
Kanalgitterbestandteil means: part of a sewer
etc. etc.

Many people with this terrible names changed them in the nineteen century,
but some you'll still find in the books about Auschwitz.
As anyone can see the thematic is quite complicated.

Georg Gaugusch, Vienna, e9526666@student.tuwien.ac.at


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Kati and Farkas #hungary

Vivian Kahn
 

On 10/8/98, Ed Zwieback wrote....you wrote ....

The wife is listed as Kadi Kohn; can I assume that Kadi is
the same as Katalin?
The husband is listed as Farkas Polak; I was looking for Wilhelm or Jozef
Pollak. I'm not familiar with the name Farkas; what can that be equal to?

Farkas is Hungarian for Wolf. Velvel would be a Yiddish translation. Kati
(Katie, Katalin) is a fairly common woman's name.

Vivian Kahn, Oakland, CA

Researching:

BAAL/BERKOVICS/BERKOWITZ/ROTH/Orasu Nou, Satu Mare, Rom. (Ujvaros,
Hung.);/Ujvaros, Szinervaralja, Hung. (Siene, Rom.), NYC, Detroit, Israel
FERBER/Sajoszentpeter, Hun, Deans, NJ, Netanyu, Israel
KAHN/KAHAN/COHEN/Sighetu Marmatei, Rom.(Sziget, Maramaros, Hun), London,
NYC, Los Angeles
KOHN/Vranov n. Toplou, Slovakia (Varanno, Zemplen, Hun)
LIMOS/Hungary, Bratislava?
MOSKOVITS/MOSKOWITZ/Ostrov (Ozstro), Sobrance (Szobrancz, Hun.),
Michalovce, Slov. (Nagymihaly, Hun.), Munkacs,Ungvar, NYC
MOSS/Washington Heights, Queeens, NYC
NEUMANN/Sobrance, Michalovce (Nagymihaly, Hun.), Kosice (Kassa), Sabinov
(Kis-Szeben), Vranov n. Toplou (Varanno), Kriszti (Kereszt),
Slov.,Washington Hts, Queens, NYC


Hungary SIG #Hungary Names 2 #hungary

Georg Gaugusch <e9526666@...>
 

I sent the following message to the H-Sig on 031098, but it never arrived.
It is in one case quite important for the hungarian jewry. Between 1820 and
1890 many galician jews went southwards and went to Hungary and Vienna.
Many changed their ridiculous names in "modern" or "camouflage" names. Some
odd names, which are only found in certain villages in Slovakia, could have
a source in this.

On my last posting a excluded Galicia: The mayor reason for this was, that
the galician names are completely different >from all other jewish names.
When Emperor Joseph II gave his "Toleranzpatent" in 1781 and the order that
all jews had to choose a german surname (he did this because if anyone
wanted to be a merchant he had to have a fix name, so the jewish habit that
one person has different names (the compagnon of Samuel Oppenheimer name
was Schlesinger or Margulies or Margulies-Jafe or Guens) was very
unpractical for everyday-trade. He gave the authority of choosing the names
to the local rabbis. That is the reason why some communities have odd names
(like Lundenburg etc.), because some rabbis were fund of sophisticed names.
If you had money you could buy a name. When Poland was split up between
Austria, Russia and Prussia between 1772 and 1795, there was no such
structure there. So called military-commissions gave name to the jews. If
you paid some money, you got the name you liked (mostly nice sounding
german names like Wiesenberg, Wiesenthal, Wiesengruen, Rosenberg.
Rosenthal, Rosenzweig etc.) Poor jews got their names, and their are mainly
two groups. In the case, the commission wasn't antisemitic they got names
like Lichtblau, Hellblau, Dunkelblau, Steingrau, Rosenrot (all kind of
colours) properties: Wechsler, Borger, Gerngross, etc. or
"invention-names": Weinstein, Steinwein, Reingold, Faingold, ... The
composition was schematic.
If the commission was antisemitic the result was like the following:
Borgmirwas means: Lend me something
Nussenfress means: eating nuts
Rindskopf means: Head of a cow
Kuessemich means: Kiss me
Notleider means: Somebody who suffers
Dintenfass means: inkstand
Temperaturwechsel means: changing of the temperature
Kanarienvogel means: canary bird
Achselgeruch means: smell of the arm-pit
Kanalgitterbestandteil means: part of a sewer
etc. etc.

Many people with this terrible names changed them in the nineteen century,
but some you'll still find in the books about Auschwitz.
As anyone can see the thematic is quite complicated.

Georg Gaugusch, Vienna, e9526666@student.tuwien.ac.at