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Names from 1848 Census #hungary

ezwiebac <ezwiebac@...>
 

I recently posted a note "Puzzled abut my GGM" (Katalin Kohn) and I got
some good ideas >from the replies

I don't want to be too much of a bother on this subject but I do have more
questions.

I searched the 1848 Census for N.Kanizsa for my GGM's family and I found a
likely family. The wife is listed as Kadi Kohn; can I assume that Kadi is
the same as Katalin?
The husband is listed as Farkas Polak; I was looking for Wilhelm or Jozef
Pollak. I'm not familiar with the name Farkas; what can that be equal to?
The children and ages look like a good match so I think this is my GGM
family.

Finally, Kadi Kohn's birth place looks like BESSCHELY, Hungary. I can't
find this place in the ShtetlSeeker. Could this be an old name, no longer
used?

Again, I'm very glad to have H-SIG help in these questions.

Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA


Hungary SIG #Hungary Names from 1848 Census #hungary

ezwiebac <ezwiebac@...>
 

I recently posted a note "Puzzled abut my GGM" (Katalin Kohn) and I got
some good ideas >from the replies

I don't want to be too much of a bother on this subject but I do have more
questions.

I searched the 1848 Census for N.Kanizsa for my GGM's family and I found a
likely family. The wife is listed as Kadi Kohn; can I assume that Kadi is
the same as Katalin?
The husband is listed as Farkas Polak; I was looking for Wilhelm or Jozef
Pollak. I'm not familiar with the name Farkas; what can that be equal to?
The children and ages look like a good match so I think this is my GGM
family.

Finally, Kadi Kohn's birth place looks like BESSCHELY, Hungary. I can't
find this place in the ShtetlSeeker. Could this be an old name, no longer
used?

Again, I'm very glad to have H-SIG help in these questions.

Regards,
Ed Zwieback
Long Beach, CA


Passenger Lists London #general

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

In reply to
Subject: Passenger Lists in London
From: "Arthur S. Meyers" <marciarthur@email.msn.com>
and Peter Zavon:


This is the story, courtesy of Debbie Beavis <marine@netcomuk.co.uk>
(She will research privately, professionally).

Saul


Emigration Records >from UK at Kew


Recently, AVOTAYNU published two stories by Professor Aubrey Newman that
deal with Jewish emigration to South Africa >from UK. Additional records-
admittedly very difficult to use-may be found at the Public Records
Office in Kew, England:
The Public Records Office (PRO) Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU England
telelphone: +44 181 876 3444; fax: +44 181 8788905 Website: http://www.o
pen.gov.uk/pro/prohome/htm Ships' Passenger Lists at the PRO Stored
under reference BT 26--Passenger Lists, In-wards, 1878-1888 and
1890-1960, these lists give the names of all passengers arriving in the
United Kingdom where the ship's voyage began at a port outside Europe
and the Mediterranean Sea. Names of passengers who boarded these ships
at European ports and disembarked in the UK are be included in the
lists. Passenger lists for ships whose voyages both began and ended
within Europe (including the UK and the Mediterranean Sea) are not
included.
A small collection of lists exists for the years between 1878 and 1888.
The continuous run begins in 1890. They have not been microfilmed, many
are in fragile condition and searching can be very time-consuming. No
indexes of names exist, and most lists are not alphabetical. The
information given varies, but may include age, occupation and sometimes
a proposed address in the UK. Lists are arranged monthly by port of
arrival. To have any realistic hope of finding a specific passenger's
name, a researcher must know at least the approximate date of arrival
and the port.
Another set of records, BT 27 Passenger Lists, Outwards, 1890-1960,
give the names of all passengers leaving the UK where the ship's
eventual destination was a port outside Europe and the Mediterranean
Sea. Names of passengers who disembarked at European ports >from these
ships will be included in these lists. Passenger lists for ships whose
voyages both began and ended within Europe (including the UK and the
Mediterranean Sea) are not included.

Lists earlier than 1890 have not survived. Post-1890 lists have not been
microfilmed, many of them are in fragile condition and searching them
can be very time consuming. There are no indexes of names, and most
lists are not alphabetical. The information given varies, but can
include age, occupation, last address and proposed destination. They are
arranged monthly by port of departure. To use them, a researcher must
know at least the approximate date of departure and the port to have any
realistic hope of finding a passenger's name. BT 32 Registers of
Passenger Lists, date >from 1906. They include names of ships for which
passenger lists exist in BT 26 and BT 27. The entries are not complete,
however; the earliest years have entries for a few ports only, and there
are omissions. For readers hoping to find the name of a passenger in BT
26 or BT 27, they are of limited use and may be helpful only if the name
of the ship is known. They do not include names of passengers or the
destination of the ships entered in the registers.

--
Dr Saul Issroff


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Passenger Lists London #general

Dr Saul Issroff <saul@...>
 

In reply to
Subject: Passenger Lists in London
From: "Arthur S. Meyers" <marciarthur@email.msn.com>
and Peter Zavon:


This is the story, courtesy of Debbie Beavis <marine@netcomuk.co.uk>
(She will research privately, professionally).

Saul


Emigration Records >from UK at Kew


Recently, AVOTAYNU published two stories by Professor Aubrey Newman that
deal with Jewish emigration to South Africa >from UK. Additional records-
admittedly very difficult to use-may be found at the Public Records
Office in Kew, England:
The Public Records Office (PRO) Kew, Richmond, Surrey TW9 4DU England
telelphone: +44 181 876 3444; fax: +44 181 8788905 Website: http://www.o
pen.gov.uk/pro/prohome/htm Ships' Passenger Lists at the PRO Stored
under reference BT 26--Passenger Lists, In-wards, 1878-1888 and
1890-1960, these lists give the names of all passengers arriving in the
United Kingdom where the ship's voyage began at a port outside Europe
and the Mediterranean Sea. Names of passengers who boarded these ships
at European ports and disembarked in the UK are be included in the
lists. Passenger lists for ships whose voyages both began and ended
within Europe (including the UK and the Mediterranean Sea) are not
included.
A small collection of lists exists for the years between 1878 and 1888.
The continuous run begins in 1890. They have not been microfilmed, many
are in fragile condition and searching can be very time-consuming. No
indexes of names exist, and most lists are not alphabetical. The
information given varies, but may include age, occupation and sometimes
a proposed address in the UK. Lists are arranged monthly by port of
arrival. To have any realistic hope of finding a specific passenger's
name, a researcher must know at least the approximate date of arrival
and the port.
Another set of records, BT 27 Passenger Lists, Outwards, 1890-1960,
give the names of all passengers leaving the UK where the ship's
eventual destination was a port outside Europe and the Mediterranean
Sea. Names of passengers who disembarked at European ports >from these
ships will be included in these lists. Passenger lists for ships whose
voyages both began and ended within Europe (including the UK and the
Mediterranean Sea) are not included.

Lists earlier than 1890 have not survived. Post-1890 lists have not been
microfilmed, many of them are in fragile condition and searching them
can be very time consuming. There are no indexes of names, and most
lists are not alphabetical. The information given varies, but can
include age, occupation, last address and proposed destination. They are
arranged monthly by port of departure. To use them, a researcher must
know at least the approximate date of departure and the port to have any
realistic hope of finding a passenger's name. BT 32 Registers of
Passenger Lists, date >from 1906. They include names of ships for which
passenger lists exist in BT 26 and BT 27. The entries are not complete,
however; the earliest years have entries for a few ports only, and there
are omissions. For readers hoping to find the name of a passenger in BT
26 or BT 27, they are of limited use and may be helpful only if the name
of the ship is known. They do not include names of passengers or the
destination of the ships entered in the registers.

--
Dr Saul Issroff


Brooklyn, Draft Board #33 -- KAPLAN #general

Joan C. Brown <jcb2502@...>
 

FYI:
Listed in FHC film #1754297 A-Ku, the following Kaplans:

Barnett
Benjamin
Jacob
Joseph (2)
Morris
Nathan--Russia
Nathan--Minsk
Philip (2)
Sam
Samuel (2)
Sidney
Samuel--Grodno

Joan Brown, Virginia


Chicago area jewishgenners #general

Vitdoc <vitdoc@...>
 

Sat October 17, 1998 author Helen Epstein will discuss her latest book WHERE
SHE CAME FROM: a daughters search for her mother's history------which
chronicles 4 genenerations of Czech Jews in her family.
at the Holocaust Memorial Foundation
4255 Main St. Skokie
time: 8:00 PM
addmission is free call-- 847 677-4640 to RSVP (space limited)

Hope you can make it! Susan Boyer


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Brooklyn, Draft Board #33 -- KAPLAN #general

Joan C. Brown <jcb2502@...>
 

FYI:
Listed in FHC film #1754297 A-Ku, the following Kaplans:

Barnett
Benjamin
Jacob
Joseph (2)
Morris
Nathan--Russia
Nathan--Minsk
Philip (2)
Sam
Samuel (2)
Sidney
Samuel--Grodno

Joan Brown, Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chicago area jewishgenners #general

Vitdoc <vitdoc@...>
 

Sat October 17, 1998 author Helen Epstein will discuss her latest book WHERE
SHE CAME FROM: a daughters search for her mother's history------which
chronicles 4 genenerations of Czech Jews in her family.
at the Holocaust Memorial Foundation
4255 Main St. Skokie
time: 8:00 PM
addmission is free call-- 847 677-4640 to RSVP (space limited)

Hope you can make it! Susan Boyer


Berlin Vital Records #general

Joan C. Brown <jcb2502@...>
 

After reading through the FHC booklet for German research & being totally
unfamiliar with this area, am asking for some direction.
Seeking to verify the Berlin births of Rheinhart/Richard BERNSTEIN, Feb
1882 and Lepold/Louie BERNSTEIN, Aug 1885. Parents were Joseph & Rose
BERNSTEIN of Poland.
Apparently I check in the FHC catalog under Germany, Prussia,
Brandenburg...
Jewish records? Can anyone who has done this offer a few words of
advice?
Joan Brown, Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Berlin Vital Records #general

Joan C. Brown <jcb2502@...>
 

After reading through the FHC booklet for German research & being totally
unfamiliar with this area, am asking for some direction.
Seeking to verify the Berlin births of Rheinhart/Richard BERNSTEIN, Feb
1882 and Lepold/Louie BERNSTEIN, Aug 1885. Parents were Joseph & Rose
BERNSTEIN of Poland.
Apparently I check in the FHC catalog under Germany, Prussia,
Brandenburg...
Jewish records? Can anyone who has done this offer a few words of
advice?
Joan Brown, Virginia


TOCHMAN and TARTAEKOVSKY of Kishinev: correct e-mail address #general

USER102000@...
 

Regarding a message posted in the Digest for October 5, 1998 forwarded by to Jewishgen as a courtesy. The forwarding writer does not know the poster Drew Techner.

<< Hello. My name is Drew Techner. I hope the following information may be
familiar to some of you:

My great-grandparents were Moishe (Moshe, Morris) TOCHMAN and Yetta (Ida)
TARTAEKOVSKY of Kishinev. Moishe TUCHMAN died between 1903 and 1905 in etc.
etc.>>

Moreover, the user....@aol.com address in the message was wrong!

***********>>>>>>>>>>Please send all responses to :

USER102000@JUNO.COM

and do not cc anyone. The forwarder knows nothing about these families and knows Kishinev only
as the site of a horrible pogrom. He cannot use any information you sent,
nor answer questions, and is unable to forward them

His sincere apologies to all; he was asked to do a favor . . . .


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unfortunately we are unable to remove the forwarder's
address >from the original posting as it has already been published. We have deleted it >from this message. To those who reply to the original message please manually reply to Mr. Techner at USER102000@juno.com rather than using the reply to author option or the return address at the end of his message in the digest.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen TOCHMAN and TARTAEKOVSKY of Kishinev: correct e-mail address #general

USER102000@...
 

Regarding a message posted in the Digest for October 5, 1998 forwarded by to Jewishgen as a courtesy. The forwarding writer does not know the poster Drew Techner.

<< Hello. My name is Drew Techner. I hope the following information may be
familiar to some of you:

My great-grandparents were Moishe (Moshe, Morris) TOCHMAN and Yetta (Ida)
TARTAEKOVSKY of Kishinev. Moishe TUCHMAN died between 1903 and 1905 in etc.
etc.>>

Moreover, the user....@aol.com address in the message was wrong!

***********>>>>>>>>>>Please send all responses to :

USER102000@JUNO.COM

and do not cc anyone. The forwarder knows nothing about these families and knows Kishinev only
as the site of a horrible pogrom. He cannot use any information you sent,
nor answer questions, and is unable to forward them

His sincere apologies to all; he was asked to do a favor . . . .


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Unfortunately we are unable to remove the forwarder's
address >from the original posting as it has already been published. We have deleted it >from this message. To those who reply to the original message please manually reply to Mr. Techner at USER102000@juno.com rather than using the reply to author option or the return address at the end of his message in the digest.


Chelm Births #general

Saul Klarer <klar-pax@...>
 

I have 7 Polish birth documents >from around Chelm. A very kind Jgenner
translated the documents for me. However they do not appear to be of my
family,and so I would like to send them to any jenner who thinks they
may be of use to them.
These are the Births:
Abram born to David Leyzorowicz & Estera Leybowicz 1811
Ickop born to Szmul Josiowicz & Huda Herszkowicz 1818
Rywka born to Jankiel Abrahamowicz & Rena Abrahamowicz 1818
Zysla born to Uszer Zusmanowicz & Fayga Usler 1818
Icko born to Uszer Zusmanowicz & Fayga Heyshlowicz 1811
Hersko born to Szmul Lejzorowicz & Huda Josiowicz 1816
Rywka born to Major Mortkowitz & Ela Abrahamowicz 1819

Saul KLARER <klar-pax@netcom.ca >


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chelm Births #general

Saul Klarer <klar-pax@...>
 

I have 7 Polish birth documents >from around Chelm. A very kind Jgenner
translated the documents for me. However they do not appear to be of my
family,and so I would like to send them to any jenner who thinks they
may be of use to them.
These are the Births:
Abram born to David Leyzorowicz & Estera Leybowicz 1811
Ickop born to Szmul Josiowicz & Huda Herszkowicz 1818
Rywka born to Jankiel Abrahamowicz & Rena Abrahamowicz 1818
Zysla born to Uszer Zusmanowicz & Fayga Usler 1818
Icko born to Uszer Zusmanowicz & Fayga Heyshlowicz 1811
Hersko born to Szmul Lejzorowicz & Huda Josiowicz 1816
Rywka born to Major Mortkowitz & Ela Abrahamowicz 1819

Saul KLARER <klar-pax@netcom.ca >


Re: the name Miriam/Magdalena #general

BEN NOACH <bnnch@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-10-01 23:31:50 EDT, mkearns@u.washington.edu writes:

<< Magdalena . . . >>
==The name Mary Magdelena in the New Testament is derived >from the Hebrew name
Miriam, bat Migdal. She came >from the town of Migdal (Majdal) on the West
shore of the Sea of Galilee. I have never heard of a Jewish woman known as
Magdalena, but I have heard of Jewish women in Europe called Magda which, I
assume (purely a guess) is short for Magdalena, and (again a guess) Madeleine
is probably also a corruption of Magdalena, but is not totally unknown among
Jews.

==Only among Christians would there be any association between Magdalena and
any of the derivatives of Miriam such as Mary, Maria.

Michael Bernet
*
My Dutch founding father, originating >from Oestinghausen(Prussia) had at
the "naamsaanneming" in 1812-the Napoleon edict on the adoption of
a family name-a daughter named Maria.I have the certificate to prove
it.He was very much a religious Jew, and calling his than a year and a
half old daughter Maria, seemingly didn't bother him.In the kille
Maria was known as "Mietje".It all points to Miriam.
Needless to say that they(and me) are pure Ashkenazim.
As my teacher at a course on genealogy by the Diaspora Museum(Beth
Hatfutsoth-Tel Aviv) used to say:-
in genealogy everything is possible.

Shalom >from Israel,
BEN NOACH-<mailto:bnnch@internet-zahav.net>
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>;


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: the name Miriam/Magdalena #general

BEN NOACH <bnnch@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-10-01 23:31:50 EDT, mkearns@u.washington.edu writes:

<< Magdalena . . . >>
==The name Mary Magdelena in the New Testament is derived >from the Hebrew name
Miriam, bat Migdal. She came >from the town of Migdal (Majdal) on the West
shore of the Sea of Galilee. I have never heard of a Jewish woman known as
Magdalena, but I have heard of Jewish women in Europe called Magda which, I
assume (purely a guess) is short for Magdalena, and (again a guess) Madeleine
is probably also a corruption of Magdalena, but is not totally unknown among
Jews.

==Only among Christians would there be any association between Magdalena and
any of the derivatives of Miriam such as Mary, Maria.

Michael Bernet
*
My Dutch founding father, originating >from Oestinghausen(Prussia) had at
the "naamsaanneming" in 1812-the Napoleon edict on the adoption of
a family name-a daughter named Maria.I have the certificate to prove
it.He was very much a religious Jew, and calling his than a year and a
half old daughter Maria, seemingly didn't bother him.In the kille
Maria was known as "Mietje".It all points to Miriam.
Needless to say that they(and me) are pure Ashkenazim.
As my teacher at a course on genealogy by the Diaspora Museum(Beth
Hatfutsoth-Tel Aviv) used to say:-
in genealogy everything is possible.

Shalom >from Israel,
BEN NOACH-<mailto:bnnch@internet-zahav.net>
<http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6375>;


Searching: SCHNEIDER from Kiev #general

Lynn DiMatteo <LiniWD@...>
 

Tracie -

On your signature on your success story (congratulations!!), you have
SCHNEIDER >from Kiev. I also have SCHNEIDER ancestors >from Kiev - Abraham
and Ida SCHNEIDER (SNYDER) owned a tavern on a crossroads outside of Kiev.

They received advance notice of a pogrom and were able to sell the tavern
and emigrate. They came over in 1882 with 4 or 5 of their children (the
rest were born in the US in NYC). One of their daughters, Bessie, was my
great grandmother. I have the names of all Bessie's brothers and sisters
and many of their descendants. Bessie married Israel Goldberg in NYC and
their children started the Goldberg family association in NY in 1929.

Does anything sound familiar?

Lynn Wertheim-DiMatteo
Staten Island, N.Y.
LiniWD@compuserve.com


Re: Second cousin in german #general

Werner S. Hirsch <whirsch@...>
 

Joseph Goldschmidt wrote:

I would like to know how to translate "second (or any other number)
cousin" into german.
To which Werner Cohn replied:

"Vetter zweiten Grades," according to my Wildhagen dictionary
Perfectly correct, except that "Vetter" is only for a male cousin, a second
cousin, female, would be:

"Base zweiten Grades."

Personally, I have always found the use of the word "Vetter" for cousin
confusing, since it can also mean uncle.

There is also another way of saying first cousin in German, and that is
"Geschwisterkind," which might be found on some older documents. A second
cousin could be either "Ander Geschwisterkind" or "Geschwisterkindskind."

Werner
--
Werner Hirsch
Curator, JHS of Gr. New Haven (CT)
JHS Homepage: http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/


Forename Baron #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

Baron is a fairly common forename for Jewish men. Is it uniquely so or do
non-Jews also have that name? I'm wondering that if one comes across that
name in one's research can one assume that the person is Jewish?

Harold Pollins
Oxford England

pollins@globalnet.co.uk


Pinkhas hakehillot Ukraine? #general

Theo Travis <travis@...>
 

Is there a volume of Pinkhas hakehillot for the part of Bukovina that is now
in the Ukraine?

Madelyn Travis
travis@travis33.demon.co.uk