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Re: Rogers & Hammerstein #general

MBernet@...
 

<< In the movie Hollywoodism one of the commentators mentioned that
many, if not most, of the song writers were Jewish, *including
Rogers and Hammerstein*.

==Absolutely true. There was a bunch of around half-a-dozen of the great song
writers of that era who were Jewish, fast friends, and attended the same
exclusive school.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Rogers & Hammerstein #general

MBernet@...
 

<< In the movie Hollywoodism one of the commentators mentioned that
many, if not most, of the song writers were Jewish, *including
Rogers and Hammerstein*.

==Absolutely true. There was a bunch of around half-a-dozen of the great song
writers of that era who were Jewish, fast friends, and attended the same
exclusive school.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Re divorce by proxy #general

MBernet@...
 

However, according to American cousins, she had an
arranged marriage back in Filipkowce (near Mielnica) which she escaped from
during the wedding celebrations by slipping out, climbing into a
pre-arranged horse and cart with a small parcel, and somehow made her way
to London!

According to my late aunt - whose memory was probably unreliable - Deborah
sent back to Filipkowce for divorce papers.

Too much mythology? >>

==Yes, too much mythology. For better or worse (and I don't want to explore
the socio-historical reasons), Halakha (Jewish Law) is adamant that the
husband can divorce his wife and the wife cannot divorce a husband. However,
a wife can petition the Bet Din (court) to compel the husband to give her a
divorce, applying sanctions if he refuses. (There are quite a few stubborn
Israelis languishing in jail because they refuse to divorce their wives). I
assume your grandmother escaped the marriage celebrations before the betrothal
and the marriage were solemnized (nowadays, the latter follows immediately on
the former, in one ritual).

If your grandmother had been found by the London Bet Din to have been
previously betrothed or married, and had not received a get before remarriage,
she and the new husband would have been forced to separate and he would have
been ineligible to ever marry her again.

I'm stating what the rules are; I didn't create them. Please folks, don't
beat up on me and let's not alllow this to deteriorate into a dispute about
the fairness of Jewish law.

Michael Bernet, New York
*******************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1855) also in Wurzburg,
also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam

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JRI-PL donations page #poland

Ronisl@...
 

A few of you wrote to me saying you could not access the Support page of JRI-
PL directly using the URL I posted. Here is another way to get to the same
page:
Go to the JRI-PL homepage:

<< http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL >>

In the last line of the yellow table, click on "Support the Project." When
the page appears, the top part will look the same as the opening page. Scroll
down to see the information about donations.

This should work.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Re divorce by proxy #general

MBernet@...
 

However, according to American cousins, she had an
arranged marriage back in Filipkowce (near Mielnica) which she escaped from
during the wedding celebrations by slipping out, climbing into a
pre-arranged horse and cart with a small parcel, and somehow made her way
to London!

According to my late aunt - whose memory was probably unreliable - Deborah
sent back to Filipkowce for divorce papers.

Too much mythology? >>

==Yes, too much mythology. For better or worse (and I don't want to explore
the socio-historical reasons), Halakha (Jewish Law) is adamant that the
husband can divorce his wife and the wife cannot divorce a husband. However,
a wife can petition the Bet Din (court) to compel the husband to give her a
divorce, applying sanctions if he refuses. (There are quite a few stubborn
Israelis languishing in jail because they refuse to divorce their wives). I
assume your grandmother escaped the marriage celebrations before the betrothal
and the marriage were solemnized (nowadays, the latter follows immediately on
the former, in one ritual).

If your grandmother had been found by the London Bet Din to have been
previously betrothed or married, and had not received a get before remarriage,
she and the new husband would have been forced to separate and he would have
been ineligible to ever marry her again.

I'm stating what the rules are; I didn't create them. Please folks, don't
beat up on me and let's not alllow this to deteriorate into a dispute about
the fairness of Jewish law.

Michael Bernet, New York
*******************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1855) also in Wurzburg,
also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam

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JRI Poland #Poland JRI-PL donations page #poland

Ronisl@...
 

A few of you wrote to me saying you could not access the Support page of JRI-
PL directly using the URL I posted. Here is another way to get to the same
page:
Go to the JRI-PL homepage:

<< http://www.jewishgen.org/JRI-PL >>

In the last line of the yellow table, click on "Support the Project." When
the page appears, the top part will look the same as the opening page. Scroll
down to see the information about donations.

This should work.

Roni Seibel Liebowitz
Belchatow Shtetl CO-OP Coordinator
New York


Re: Drewnica #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 12/5/98 9:36:51 PM, vinni@polbox.com wrote:

<<I am interested in vital records >from Drewnica (small village near Warsaw)

between 1860-1910. I wonder where I should look for them.

Where they were indexed - maybe in other bigger village ?

I 'm a newcomer to using the indexed records, but I did things the other way:
I put in the name(s) I wanted to research, one at a time for separate
searches, and asked for the Daitch-Motokoff soundex code to be used--- For All
Gubernias--- which was the key phrase. Then whatever and wherever records
were indexed for that name were found, including those >from unexpected
locations (such as Lublin and Warsawa for me, since my ancestors seem to be
from Krakow and Tarnow). Thus, Drewnica might turn up if any records were
found for the names you're searching. Don't specify the geographic area,
although Warsawa sounds the most logical >from what you say.

Good luck, this indexing project has been a goldmine for me! (A shetlmine?)

Milton Goldsamt
miltgold@aol.com


JRI Poland #Poland Re: Drewnica #poland

MILTGOLD@...
 

In a message dated 12/5/98 9:36:51 PM, vinni@polbox.com wrote:

<<I am interested in vital records >from Drewnica (small village near Warsaw)

between 1860-1910. I wonder where I should look for them.

Where they were indexed - maybe in other bigger village ?

I 'm a newcomer to using the indexed records, but I did things the other way:
I put in the name(s) I wanted to research, one at a time for separate
searches, and asked for the Daitch-Motokoff soundex code to be used--- For All
Gubernias--- which was the key phrase. Then whatever and wherever records
were indexed for that name were found, including those >from unexpected
locations (such as Lublin and Warsawa for me, since my ancestors seem to be
from Krakow and Tarnow). Thus, Drewnica might turn up if any records were
found for the names you're searching. Don't specify the geographic area,
although Warsawa sounds the most logical >from what you say.

Good luck, this indexing project has been a goldmine for me! (A shetlmine?)

Milton Goldsamt
miltgold@aol.com


*Re: Austria Hungary #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

First a note: please be careful in spelling names and locations in the
Austro-Hungarian empire. The *diacritics* are very important for a reliable
search. For example, Surte could be Su:rte with an umlaut on the 'u' and
this makes quite a difference in searching gazetteers and similar sources.

Now to the question

Szatmar (with an acute accent on the second a - Szatma'r) is today in
Romania and called Satu Mare. I couldn't find Surte.

Regards,
Tom Venetianer

Anna Salamonowitz was >from Surte Austria

| Hungary and Morris Meirwitz came >from Sztmar Austria Hungary.
| Judy Aiello


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen *Re: Austria Hungary #general

Tom Venetianer <tom.vene@...>
 

First a note: please be careful in spelling names and locations in the
Austro-Hungarian empire. The *diacritics* are very important for a reliable
search. For example, Surte could be Su:rte with an umlaut on the 'u' and
this makes quite a difference in searching gazetteers and similar sources.

Now to the question

Szatmar (with an acute accent on the second a - Szatma'r) is today in
Romania and called Satu Mare. I couldn't find Surte.

Regards,
Tom Venetianer

Anna Salamonowitz was >from Surte Austria

| Hungary and Morris Meirwitz came >from Sztmar Austria Hungary.
| Judy Aiello


Ancestors from Georgia #general

Metersky@...
 

Interested in contacting Jewishgeners whose ancestors came >from Georgia. Mine
came >from Batumi. Have had no success ingetting info >from there. Can anyone
help. Please respond to my e-mail address. Thank you.

Morton L. Metersky


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ancestors from Georgia #general

Metersky@...
 

Interested in contacting Jewishgeners whose ancestors came >from Georgia. Mine
came >from Batumi. Have had no success ingetting info >from there. Can anyone
help. Please respond to my e-mail address. Thank you.

Morton L. Metersky


Re: Lumber Business #belarus

Rialan <rialan@...>
 

This is an excerpt >from my grandfather Samuel Eisner's(born ISAKOWITZ)
autobiography about his brother Israel in Novogudok during World War 1. "He
and two friends of his formed a corporation and bought a forest for the sum of
60,000 rubles and started to make a lumber mill and to build prefabricated
homes in a row--like what we would call log cabins here in the US. They
started to do a very good business and for about two years they made a nice
profit. But when the war with Germany started, Germany went past that section
where my brother's forest was and chopped out the best timbers and sent that
back home and my brother and his friends lost all of their good business."
Rich Eisner
Merion, Pa.

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Lumber Business #general

Rialan <rialan@...>
 

This is an excerpt >from my grandfather Samuel Eisner's(born ISAKOWITZ)
autobiography about his brother Israel in Novogudok during World War 1. "He
and two friends of his formed a corporation and bought a forest for the sum of
60,000 rubles and started to make a lumber mill and to build prefabricated
homes in a row--like what we would call log cabins here in the US. They
started to do a very good business and for about two years they made a nice
profit. But when the war with Germany started, Germany went past that section
where my brother's forest was and chopped out the best timbers and sent that
back home and my brother and his friends lost all of their good business."
Rich Eisner
Merion, Pa.

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Re: Ancestors in the "lumber business" #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

My maternal BODENSTEIN family >from Tomaszow Lubelski, Lublin province,
Poland, were also in the lumber business. It was a lucrative occupation and
the family were well to do with servants, furs, horses and carriages/sleighs
etc. My great grandfather was also in the same business. >from what I was
told, they could not own the forest, but rather leased it and exported the
lumber. Part of the family also owned mills where the lumber was processed.

Happy Chanukah to all.

Betty Provizer Starkman, Michigan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ancestors in the "lumber business" #general

BetteJoy <bettejoy@...>
 

My maternal BODENSTEIN family >from Tomaszow Lubelski, Lublin province,
Poland, were also in the lumber business. It was a lucrative occupation and
the family were well to do with servants, furs, horses and carriages/sleighs
etc. My great grandfather was also in the same business. >from what I was
told, they could not own the forest, but rather leased it and exported the
lumber. Part of the family also owned mills where the lumber was processed.

Happy Chanukah to all.

Betty Provizer Starkman, Michigan


Kurland is not "bad" spelling! #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

I am assuming that Kurland = Courland (now I know where I got the bad spelling
from ?) -- but that leaves me with an unsolved mystery. Kurland/Courland was
a region correct? not a specific town correct?
Courland (as one would suspect >from the syllable "land") is indeed a region
and not a town. It is a large section of south-western Latvia, where Jews
lived >from the Middle Ages to the Holocaust. (The Latvia article in
Encyclopaedia Judaica 5:1004-6 says 14th-cent. Jewish gravestones were
found there.)

This question raised an issue that has troubled me for some time. Many
inquiries to this Digest are of a kind that can readily be answered by
consulting the Encyclopaedia Judaica -- it is a valuable resource -- not to mention
that anything we can do to reduce the mountain of mail our volunteer
moderators must peruse makes their task that much easier.

In this particular case, the first three words of the Enc. Jud. article
were "COURLAND (Ger. Kurland)" -- which at once made clear that Kurland
is not a "bad" spelling but simply the German spelling. The next three
words were "region of W. and S. Latvia" -- which immediately answered the
question raised above, whether Courland was a region or a city!

Even if one has the misfortune to live in a place with no libraries at all,
access to the Internet (which most JGenners seem to have ) lets us type
in something like "Kurland, Jews" under "search." I tried this, just to
see what I'd get; and the first set of ten entries actually included the
Latvia SIG!).

Judith Romney Wegner


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kurland is not "bad" spelling! #general

Judith Romney Wegner
 

I am assuming that Kurland = Courland (now I know where I got the bad spelling
from ?) -- but that leaves me with an unsolved mystery. Kurland/Courland was
a region correct? not a specific town correct?
Courland (as one would suspect >from the syllable "land") is indeed a region
and not a town. It is a large section of south-western Latvia, where Jews
lived >from the Middle Ages to the Holocaust. (The Latvia article in
Encyclopaedia Judaica 5:1004-6 says 14th-cent. Jewish gravestones were
found there.)

This question raised an issue that has troubled me for some time. Many
inquiries to this Digest are of a kind that can readily be answered by
consulting the Encyclopaedia Judaica -- it is a valuable resource -- not to mention
that anything we can do to reduce the mountain of mail our volunteer
moderators must peruse makes their task that much easier.

In this particular case, the first three words of the Enc. Jud. article
were "COURLAND (Ger. Kurland)" -- which at once made clear that Kurland
is not a "bad" spelling but simply the German spelling. The next three
words were "region of W. and S. Latvia" -- which immediately answered the
question raised above, whether Courland was a region or a city!

Even if one has the misfortune to live in a place with no libraries at all,
access to the Internet (which most JGenners seem to have ) lets us type
in something like "Kurland, Jews" under "search." I tried this, just to
see what I'd get; and the first set of ten entries actually included the
Latvia SIG!).

Judith Romney Wegner


Re: Newsletter request #belarus

Maribel Beas <maribelb@...>
 

dear bryan:

I traveled to Polotzk in late April of this year, and visited the JOINT
community center, saw the jewish cemetery, and met family members there. i
would love to share some of the information with you.

david barcan

Bryan Polikoff wrote:

from THE NEWSLETTER EDITOR
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We are keen to receive material >from subscribers for inclusion in the
next issue of the Newsletter.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Newsletter request #belarus

Maribel Beas <maribelb@...>
 

dear bryan:

I traveled to Polotzk in late April of this year, and visited the JOINT
community center, saw the jewish cemetery, and met family members there. i
would love to share some of the information with you.

david barcan

Bryan Polikoff wrote:

from THE NEWSLETTER EDITOR
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
We are keen to receive material >from subscribers for inclusion in the
next issue of the Newsletter.