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Real cause for Thanksgiving #general

JLowenkron@...
 

One night, on a whim, I went to Altavista and searched my surname...there was
an entry for a Robert Leuwenkroon in Antwerp, but no email address...I found a
Dutch Jewish genealogy website with the names of genealogists willing to make
a call for out of country researchers, and he was willing to contact Robert
and give him my email address...I just heard >from Robert..we were born a few
months apart, in 1942, me in New York, he in Lyon, on the run >from the
Nazis...he sent a list of all the relatives he knew who survived, some of whom
are in Belgium, some in France, one in Bolivia, as well as information about
those who perished...it fit in with information I recently received >from my
inquiry to Yad Vashem and a posting >from a genner in Jerusalem....I am so
thankful for so many things...to hear of those who survived when we thought
they all had died, for the kindness of the many people I have met since I
started my search and for the help received so many times via this discussion
group...I also realize the importance of really thorough, sometimes unorthodox
searching....Happy Thanksgiving all. Jane Lowenkron, NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Real cause for Thanksgiving #general

JLowenkron@...
 

One night, on a whim, I went to Altavista and searched my surname...there was
an entry for a Robert Leuwenkroon in Antwerp, but no email address...I found a
Dutch Jewish genealogy website with the names of genealogists willing to make
a call for out of country researchers, and he was willing to contact Robert
and give him my email address...I just heard >from Robert..we were born a few
months apart, in 1942, me in New York, he in Lyon, on the run >from the
Nazis...he sent a list of all the relatives he knew who survived, some of whom
are in Belgium, some in France, one in Bolivia, as well as information about
those who perished...it fit in with information I recently received >from my
inquiry to Yad Vashem and a posting >from a genner in Jerusalem....I am so
thankful for so many things...to hear of those who survived when we thought
they all had died, for the kindness of the many people I have met since I
started my search and for the help received so many times via this discussion
group...I also realize the importance of really thorough, sometimes unorthodox
searching....Happy Thanksgiving all. Jane Lowenkron, NYC


Re: "boritsia and dvorets" #belarus

Bkhait@...
 

In a message dated 98-11-25 17:53:21 EST, Nysacdl@aol.com writes:

Is Boritza the same as Borisov? Please advise. I'm looking for BENENSONS
>from Borisov.
While I can't say that Boritza is the same as Borisov, I can tell you that the
1874/75 Borisov revision list does contain listings for the BENINSON family
name (shown below) and there is at least one other researcher interested in
that name. You might also want to contact Mike Levine (ajl12@aol.com) to join
the Borisov Research Family, a sub-group of the Belarus SIG.

Surname First Name Age Father Town

Benenson Elma (male) 24 Benus Jankelovich Borisov
Sosia 21 Chaim Borisov

Benenson Zalman 23 Fajbysh Borisov
Ryfka (wife) 22 Borisov
Bejla (sister) 13 Fajbysh Borisov
Fajbysh (son) 8 Zalman Borisov

Beninson Leyba 23 Shlioma Borisov
Chaia Frejda 25 Bejnus (?) Borisov

Benenson Michel 25 Aron Borisov
Aron 4 Michel Borisov
Balia (?) 25 Borisov

Beninson Rubin 25 Wulf Borisov
Sora 25 Bejamen Borisov
Elka 7 Rubin Borisov
Chana 4 Rubin Borisov

Benenson Jankel 22 Girsh Chaimovich Borisov

Beninson Abram Elia 23 Itzek Borisov
Perla 21 Jankel Borisov
Perla (mother) ?

Beninson Morduch 26 Itzek Borisov

Beninson Movsha 27 Iosel Borisov

Belinson Leyba 26 Aron Borisov

Benenson Leyzor 21 Berko Borisov

Beninson Chaim 26 Abram Borisov
Movsha 23 Abram Borisov
Ester (Chaim's wife) 23 Meyer Borisov

Beninson Jankel 25 Itzek Borisov
Etka 23 Borisov

Beninson Iosel 27 Jankel Borisov

Benenson Zalman 23 Beynes Borisov

Benenson Abram 25 Itzko Borisov

Benenson Girsh ? Itzek Borisov
David ? Itzek Borisov

Beninson Shmerko 19 Jankel Borisov
Gershon 16 Jankel Borisov
Sora (mother) ? Borisov

Barbara Krasner-Khait
Somerset, NJ
bkhait@aol.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This message >from Barbara again points out the
importance of Revision Lists and the need to get them translated and put
into a searchable database. I recently received some data >from a Revision
List that allowed me connect my family back to 1730.


Belarus SIG #Belarus RE: "boritsia and dvorets" #belarus

Bkhait@...
 

In a message dated 98-11-25 17:53:21 EST, Nysacdl@aol.com writes:

Is Boritza the same as Borisov? Please advise. I'm looking for BENENSONS
>from Borisov.
While I can't say that Boritza is the same as Borisov, I can tell you that the
1874/75 Borisov revision list does contain listings for the BENINSON family
name (shown below) and there is at least one other researcher interested in
that name. You might also want to contact Mike Levine (ajl12@aol.com) to join
the Borisov Research Family, a sub-group of the Belarus SIG.

Surname First Name Age Father Town

Benenson Elma (male) 24 Benus Jankelovich Borisov
Sosia 21 Chaim Borisov

Benenson Zalman 23 Fajbysh Borisov
Ryfka (wife) 22 Borisov
Bejla (sister) 13 Fajbysh Borisov
Fajbysh (son) 8 Zalman Borisov

Beninson Leyba 23 Shlioma Borisov
Chaia Frejda 25 Bejnus (?) Borisov

Benenson Michel 25 Aron Borisov
Aron 4 Michel Borisov
Balia (?) 25 Borisov

Beninson Rubin 25 Wulf Borisov
Sora 25 Bejamen Borisov
Elka 7 Rubin Borisov
Chana 4 Rubin Borisov

Benenson Jankel 22 Girsh Chaimovich Borisov

Beninson Abram Elia 23 Itzek Borisov
Perla 21 Jankel Borisov
Perla (mother) ?

Beninson Morduch 26 Itzek Borisov

Beninson Movsha 27 Iosel Borisov

Belinson Leyba 26 Aron Borisov

Benenson Leyzor 21 Berko Borisov

Beninson Chaim 26 Abram Borisov
Movsha 23 Abram Borisov
Ester (Chaim's wife) 23 Meyer Borisov

Beninson Jankel 25 Itzek Borisov
Etka 23 Borisov

Beninson Iosel 27 Jankel Borisov

Benenson Zalman 23 Beynes Borisov

Benenson Abram 25 Itzko Borisov

Benenson Girsh ? Itzek Borisov
David ? Itzek Borisov

Beninson Shmerko 19 Jankel Borisov
Gershon 16 Jankel Borisov
Sora (mother) ? Borisov

Barbara Krasner-Khait
Somerset, NJ
bkhait@aol.com

MODERATOR'S NOTE: This message >from Barbara again points out the
importance of Revision Lists and the need to get them translated and put
into a searchable database. I recently received some data >from a Revision
List that allowed me connect my family back to 1730.


MERKEL #general

Azriel8 <azriel8@...>
 

I am having trouble locating the given name of my paternal grandmother.
My father always referred to her as his mother. She was in Latvia when
World War II broke out. If anyone can give me a hint as how to locate
someone's given name, please write to Azriel8@aol.com.
Thanks.

(Bea Azriel)
Azriel8@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen MERKEL #general

Azriel8 <azriel8@...>
 

I am having trouble locating the given name of my paternal grandmother.
My father always referred to her as his mother. She was in Latvia when
World War II broke out. If anyone can give me a hint as how to locate
someone's given name, please write to Azriel8@aol.com.
Thanks.

(Bea Azriel)
Azriel8@aol.com


GERSTMAN from Orchover #general

David Gerstman <gerstman@...>
 

My father's family hails >from Orchover in Russia. Does anyone have
any information on the town?
David Gerstman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen GERSTMAN from Orchover #general

David Gerstman <gerstman@...>
 

My father's family hails >from Orchover in Russia. Does anyone have
any information on the town?
David Gerstman


where is sade laban or white field #general

Rubén Weiser <weiser@...>
 

I am looking for publication and information about the town of Sade
Laban or White Field.
It is written in the Encyclopedia of Hahamei Galitzia by Meir Wunder.
Thanks Ruben Weiser, Buenos Aires, Argentina.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen where is sade laban or white field #general

Rubén Weiser <weiser@...>
 

I am looking for publication and information about the town of Sade
Laban or White Field.
It is written in the Encyclopedia of Hahamei Galitzia by Meir Wunder.
Thanks Ruben Weiser, Buenos Aires, Argentina.


Searching DEITCHMAN #general

JD PerryPerry <THEPERRYFAMILY@...>
 

This is a somewhat rare name. My great-grandparents and grandparents left
Russia early this century. I really do not need to say more because if you
are connected to DEITCHMAN, then we are connected -- please e-mail me and
I'll tell you what I know.

I can be reached at: theperryfamily@prodigy.net

Thanks,

Joe Perry


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching DEITCHMAN #general

JD PerryPerry <THEPERRYFAMILY@...>
 

This is a somewhat rare name. My great-grandparents and grandparents left
Russia early this century. I really do not need to say more because if you
are connected to DEITCHMAN, then we are connected -- please e-mail me and
I'll tell you what I know.

I can be reached at: theperryfamily@prodigy.net

Thanks,

Joe Perry


Re: Mogilev #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Thank you, Frank Swartz, for the information on Mogilev,
services, Naum Joffee and Dora Dyomina. I was in contact with both Bella
Nayer and Mikhail Shulman (former head of community there) for more than
five years before they both came to Brooklyn. Both Bella and Mikhail were
instrumental in finding descendents of my TALALAY family and wonderful
bits of information that only a Mogilever could do.
Now we have to find 15 tons of matzoh. Seriously though, what are
we talking about in dollars????? Perhaps someone know someone who knows
someone??????
To Dan Checkman, the woman in question comes >from Mogilev am
Dnieper. I know her and those who know her family. So this is not a case
of Mogilev Podulsk or of some dot on the map elsewhere, but Mogilev on
the Dnieper, Belarus.
Best regards to all on Thanksgiving Day, in America, when we
reflect on what we have, at a holiday based on Succoth. Those who have
friends in other ethnic communities have witnessed the Thanksgiving
turkey served up in a variety of styles: stuffed with a Persian fruit and
nut and rice stuffing, served with various rice dishes; basted in a
ginger-soy sauce, Japanese-style; served with various Spanish
accompaniments, and all ending with a variety of pumpkin pie or apple
pie. America, what a country! to paraphrase (quote?) Russian Jewish
comedian Yakov Smirnoff.
Best regards to all.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht@ix.netcom.com


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Mogilev #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Thank you, Frank Swartz, for the information on Mogilev,
services, Naum Joffee and Dora Dyomina. I was in contact with both Bella
Nayer and Mikhail Shulman (former head of community there) for more than
five years before they both came to Brooklyn. Both Bella and Mikhail were
instrumental in finding descendents of my TALALAY family and wonderful
bits of information that only a Mogilever could do.
Now we have to find 15 tons of matzoh. Seriously though, what are
we talking about in dollars????? Perhaps someone know someone who knows
someone??????
To Dan Checkman, the woman in question comes >from Mogilev am
Dnieper. I know her and those who know her family. So this is not a case
of Mogilev Podulsk or of some dot on the map elsewhere, but Mogilev on
the Dnieper, Belarus.
Best regards to all on Thanksgiving Day, in America, when we
reflect on what we have, at a holiday based on Succoth. Those who have
friends in other ethnic communities have witnessed the Thanksgiving
turkey served up in a variety of styles: stuffed with a Persian fruit and
nut and rice stuffing, served with various rice dishes; basted in a
ginger-soy sauce, Japanese-style; served with various Spanish
accompaniments, and all ending with a variety of pumpkin pie or apple
pie. America, what a country! to paraphrase (quote?) Russian Jewish
comedian Yakov Smirnoff.
Best regards to all.
Schelly Talalay Dardashti
dardasht@ix.netcom.com


Oshmiany District Records Being Processed #belarus

DBH12345@...
 

Dear Belarus SIG:

The Oshmiany Research Group of the LitvakSIG has already acquired and
partially translated 1858 Revision List records for the Oshmiany District. In
the mid 19th Century Oshmiany was one of the four districts that were part of
Vilna Guberniya, that later became part of Belarus, and their records were
accessible at the Vilnius State Historical Archives. Most of the expenses for
the purchase and translation of these records have been covered by this group,
but more help is needed. The data is going to be part of a mid-19th Century
census of Lithuania based primarily on revision and family lists, supplemented
by other kinds of genealogical records. The LitvakSIG is a JewishGen hosted
SIG and the "All Lithuania" Database will be accessible to everyone.

Discussions are underway for joint sponsorship by Belarus SIG and the
LitvakSIG of research groups for Disna, Lida, and Vileika uyezds in which the
data will be accessible thru both the LitvakSIG's "All Lithuania" database and
a similar database for the Belarus SIG.

The towns of Oshmiany Uyzed include:

1) Oshmiany, 2)Nalibokoye(Nalibotz),3) Vishnevo, 4) Volozhin, 5) Dereviany,
6) Devenishki, 7) Zhuprany, 8) Zaskeviche, 9) Ivoye, 10) Krevo, 11) Lipnishki,
12) Solsk, 13) Smorgon, 14) Traby, 15) Golshany.

Revision Lists are among the most important and valuable genealogical
documents we can obtain. They list every member of the Jewish community, on a
shtetl by shtetl basis within each household. These census's were made for
purposes of taxation and conscription and clearly show all of the people who
resided in a household: the head of household, father's name age and all the
relationships between members of a family, Additional data is provided, noting
any change in status of a personal which had taken place since the last
revision, eight years before. And since additional notes were made for a
number of years after 1858 on the same Revision List, we have a lot of
information about what happened to people over a period of 10 or 12 years (and
sometimes more). These notes include information about death, conscription,
moving away (and sometimes where to) and various court actions, all with
dates.

Separate lists were kept for workers, merchants, craftsmen and artisans (in
some cases) and notes are added when this status changed.

Because our ancestors moved around a lot, to marry, to be educated, find
jobs, to trade - looking at an entire district instead of a single town is
valuable.
You can also track women who married and were thereafter listed under their
husband's or husband's father's household, and also note men who married into
a family and for some reason chose to take the bride's surname. So with
Revision Lists for uyezds we can discover many more ancestors, and learn more
about them than would otherwise be possible in any other way. You will almost
certainly be able to find ancestors in several different shtetls within the
district.

If you are interested in joining this research group and helping complete the
project, please contact one of the three Oshmiany coordinators. With your
help the remaining records can be translated and will be available on the
Internet very quickly.

David Hoffman & Davida Noyek Handler
Co-Coordinators, LitvakSIG

Eric Goldstein
Research Group Coordinator <ELGOLD1@aol.com>

Please contact:

Samuel A. Arutt <SARUTT@PRODIGY.NET>
Cliff Karchmer, <rabinowitz@JUNO.COM>
Joanne Saltman <jsaltman@javanet.com>

Oshmiany Research Group Co-Coordinators

MODERATOR'S NOTE: I would like to thank David Hoffman, Davida Handler, and
Eric Goldstein for posting this most informative message. Because of the
changing borders in eastern Europe, many of the SIGS have overlapping
geographic areas of interest. As a result, it is in the best interests of
everyone that the SIGs cooperate in research efforts that benefit their
fellow researchers. I will be working with the Litvak SIG in efforts to
share information and include data >from overlapping areas in both the All
Litvak Database (ALD) and the All Belarus Database (ABD).

The current issue of AVOTAYNU (Vol. CIV, No.3, Fall 1998) has an excellent
article by Boris Feldyblyum title, "Russian Revision Lists: A History".
This is must reading for anyone researching Belarus or any other areas
that were once part of the Russian Empire.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Belarus SIG Coordinator


HOUDINI genealogy #general

JimYarin <jimyarin@...>
 

Does anyone have a pedigree or partial pedigree of Erich WEISS (Harry
HOUDINI)?

Jim Yarin
JimYarin@aol.com
Somerville, MA


Belarus SIG #Belarus Oshmiany District Records Being Processed #belarus

DBH12345@...
 

Dear Belarus SIG:

The Oshmiany Research Group of the LitvakSIG has already acquired and
partially translated 1858 Revision List records for the Oshmiany District. In
the mid 19th Century Oshmiany was one of the four districts that were part of
Vilna Guberniya, that later became part of Belarus, and their records were
accessible at the Vilnius State Historical Archives. Most of the expenses for
the purchase and translation of these records have been covered by this group,
but more help is needed. The data is going to be part of a mid-19th Century
census of Lithuania based primarily on revision and family lists, supplemented
by other kinds of genealogical records. The LitvakSIG is a JewishGen hosted
SIG and the "All Lithuania" Database will be accessible to everyone.

Discussions are underway for joint sponsorship by Belarus SIG and the
LitvakSIG of research groups for Disna, Lida, and Vileika uyezds in which the
data will be accessible thru both the LitvakSIG's "All Lithuania" database and
a similar database for the Belarus SIG.

The towns of Oshmiany Uyzed include:

1) Oshmiany, 2)Nalibokoye(Nalibotz),3) Vishnevo, 4) Volozhin, 5) Dereviany,
6) Devenishki, 7) Zhuprany, 8) Zaskeviche, 9) Ivoye, 10) Krevo, 11) Lipnishki,
12) Solsk, 13) Smorgon, 14) Traby, 15) Golshany.

Revision Lists are among the most important and valuable genealogical
documents we can obtain. They list every member of the Jewish community, on a
shtetl by shtetl basis within each household. These census's were made for
purposes of taxation and conscription and clearly show all of the people who
resided in a household: the head of household, father's name age and all the
relationships between members of a family, Additional data is provided, noting
any change in status of a personal which had taken place since the last
revision, eight years before. And since additional notes were made for a
number of years after 1858 on the same Revision List, we have a lot of
information about what happened to people over a period of 10 or 12 years (and
sometimes more). These notes include information about death, conscription,
moving away (and sometimes where to) and various court actions, all with
dates.

Separate lists were kept for workers, merchants, craftsmen and artisans (in
some cases) and notes are added when this status changed.

Because our ancestors moved around a lot, to marry, to be educated, find
jobs, to trade - looking at an entire district instead of a single town is
valuable.
You can also track women who married and were thereafter listed under their
husband's or husband's father's household, and also note men who married into
a family and for some reason chose to take the bride's surname. So with
Revision Lists for uyezds we can discover many more ancestors, and learn more
about them than would otherwise be possible in any other way. You will almost
certainly be able to find ancestors in several different shtetls within the
district.

If you are interested in joining this research group and helping complete the
project, please contact one of the three Oshmiany coordinators. With your
help the remaining records can be translated and will be available on the
Internet very quickly.

David Hoffman & Davida Noyek Handler
Co-Coordinators, LitvakSIG

Eric Goldstein
Research Group Coordinator <ELGOLD1@aol.com>

Please contact:

Samuel A. Arutt <SARUTT@PRODIGY.NET>
Cliff Karchmer, <rabinowitz@JUNO.COM>
Joanne Saltman <jsaltman@javanet.com>

Oshmiany Research Group Co-Coordinators

MODERATOR'S NOTE: I would like to thank David Hoffman, Davida Handler, and
Eric Goldstein for posting this most informative message. Because of the
changing borders in eastern Europe, many of the SIGS have overlapping
geographic areas of interest. As a result, it is in the best interests of
everyone that the SIGs cooperate in research efforts that benefit their
fellow researchers. I will be working with the Litvak SIG in efforts to
share information and include data >from overlapping areas in both the All
Litvak Database (ALD) and the All Belarus Database (ABD).

The current issue of AVOTAYNU (Vol. CIV, No.3, Fall 1998) has an excellent
article by Boris Feldyblyum title, "Russian Revision Lists: A History".
This is must reading for anyone researching Belarus or any other areas
that were once part of the Russian Empire.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Belarus SIG Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen HOUDINI genealogy #general

JimYarin <jimyarin@...>
 

Does anyone have a pedigree or partial pedigree of Erich WEISS (Harry
HOUDINI)?

Jim Yarin
JimYarin@aol.com
Somerville, MA


KOHNER and NISSEL/NYSEL Rabbis? #general

Joe Barcomb & Julie Waters-Barcomb <jwb@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I've certainly learned a great deal >from reading posts....thanks for the
suggestions on how to print out a decent family tree. :) What I'd like
to know now is: how would I find the names of each shtetl near Lodz,
Poland? Also, I know there were rabbis in both the KOHNER and NISSEL/NYSEL
families. Is there any way I can find their names or more about them? Thanks

Julie
researching ROSENZWEIG/ Lodz; KOHNER/Bohemia; GLASSER/Bohemia,
BLOCK/Bohemia, FAITLOVICH/Lodz; NISSEL (NYSEL)/Lodz

MODERATOR NOTE: To find shtetls near Lodz (or any other town) go to
the JG ShtetlSeeker, accessed >from our homepage. Make a search for
Lodz by using the Precise Spelling option. Once you found it, write
down the longitude and latitude (coordinates) of Lodz. Go back to
the search page and scroll down to the very end. You will find an
option to find shtetls by distance. Click on the highlighted word
Distance and it will take you to the search for shtetls within one
to 30 miles radius of the coordinates you enter.

There is a wealth of information and resources offered by JewishGen.
Everyone should make a point of frequently looking at our home page:
http://www.jewishgen.org to learn about what is available.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen KOHNER and NISSEL/NYSEL Rabbis? #general

Joe Barcomb & Julie Waters-Barcomb <jwb@...>
 

Dear Genners,

I've certainly learned a great deal >from reading posts....thanks for the
suggestions on how to print out a decent family tree. :) What I'd like
to know now is: how would I find the names of each shtetl near Lodz,
Poland? Also, I know there were rabbis in both the KOHNER and NISSEL/NYSEL
families. Is there any way I can find their names or more about them? Thanks

Julie
researching ROSENZWEIG/ Lodz; KOHNER/Bohemia; GLASSER/Bohemia,
BLOCK/Bohemia, FAITLOVICH/Lodz; NISSEL (NYSEL)/Lodz

MODERATOR NOTE: To find shtetls near Lodz (or any other town) go to
the JG ShtetlSeeker, accessed >from our homepage. Make a search for
Lodz by using the Precise Spelling option. Once you found it, write
down the longitude and latitude (coordinates) of Lodz. Go back to
the search page and scroll down to the very end. You will find an
option to find shtetls by distance. Click on the highlighted word
Distance and it will take you to the search for shtetls within one
to 30 miles radius of the coordinates you enter.

There is a wealth of information and resources offered by JewishGen.
Everyone should make a point of frequently looking at our home page:
http://www.jewishgen.org to learn about what is available.