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Searching: FARBER/PICARSKY from Bialystok (after 1875) #general

PSFarber@...
 

Searching for information on Joseph/Yossel FARBER, b. 1875 in Bialystok. His
father was Avraham. He married Gussie (Gitl) PICARSKY. Her father was
Yitzhak, and her mother was Esther ROSEN.

Paul Farber
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: FARBER/PICARSKY from Bialystok (after 1875) #general

PSFarber@...
 

Searching for information on Joseph/Yossel FARBER, b. 1875 in Bialystok. His
father was Avraham. He married Gussie (Gitl) PICARSKY. Her father was
Yitzhak, and her mother was Esther ROSEN.

Paul Farber
New York


Jewish bricklayers in NY? #general

PSFarber@...
 

I'm trying to get some information about Jews who worked as bricklayers in New
York City >from the turn of the century until WWII. My great-grandfather was a
bricklayer in the city at this time, and I'd love to figure out the kind of
projects he worked on (the subway? landmark buildings?). Does anyone out
there know the kind of construction work a Jewish bricklayer might have worked
on? Any thoughts on ways to research this? I do have the names of a couple
of his "employers" listed on a 1920 voter registration form.

Paul Farber
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Jewish bricklayers in NY? #general

PSFarber@...
 

I'm trying to get some information about Jews who worked as bricklayers in New
York City >from the turn of the century until WWII. My great-grandfather was a
bricklayer in the city at this time, and I'd love to figure out the kind of
projects he worked on (the subway? landmark buildings?). Does anyone out
there know the kind of construction work a Jewish bricklayer might have worked
on? Any thoughts on ways to research this? I do have the names of a couple
of his "employers" listed on a 1920 voter registration form.

Paul Farber
New York


Re: Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

Christopher Kuehn wrote:

I am looking at a list of tombstone inscriptions >from the Jewish
cemetery in Binsfurth
(Hessen), and I have come across a few abbreviations that I do not
understand:

1. Sg"L
As in the following inscription:
Gela, Ehefrau des Elchanan Sg"L us Spangenberg
I can't help you with the rest, but the "standard" explanation of the
origins of the Jewish surname "SEGAL" is that it is the transliteration of
the Hebrew abbreviation sg"l (s'gan levi), which means, loosely,
"assistant Levite". this is usually used to refer to a person who is a
Levite (I don't know what the "assistant" part means). This seems to fit
in well with your sample inscriptions, which refer to a family of Levites.

It might be an abbreviation for SPANGENTHAL, but I don't think so.

Regards,
Tom Klein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Abbreviations/Tombstone Inscrip. #general

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

Christopher Kuehn wrote:

I am looking at a list of tombstone inscriptions >from the Jewish
cemetery in Binsfurth
(Hessen), and I have come across a few abbreviations that I do not
understand:

1. Sg"L
As in the following inscription:
Gela, Ehefrau des Elchanan Sg"L us Spangenberg
I can't help you with the rest, but the "standard" explanation of the
origins of the Jewish surname "SEGAL" is that it is the transliteration of
the Hebrew abbreviation sg"l (s'gan levi), which means, loosely,
"assistant Levite". this is usually used to refer to a person who is a
Levite (I don't know what the "assistant" part means). This seems to fit
in well with your sample inscriptions, which refer to a family of Levites.

It might be an abbreviation for SPANGENTHAL, but I don't think so.

Regards,
Tom Klein


Re: Help Needed: Translation of Tombstone #general

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

On 8/29/98 Ury Link wrote:

j> The Calendar info on JewishGen confirms that the my gf's
death
j> after sundown
j> Aug 1, 1903 was Tisha B'Av
j>
j> Is this date good? I think that 9 Be-Av Htrsag(5663) was on 3 August
1903
j> and not on 1 August, Please check it (I don't have a Jewish calendar
from
j> 1903, but if you know that every 19 years the same days and dates come
beck
j> you can check it with the Encycl. Judaica if you go back >from 1922
j> -19 = 1903 ).But of course I can do also mistakes.

According to my Jewish calendar (I use Hayom 2, a computer programme),
Tisha b'Av 5663 was Aug 2, 1903.


Tom Klein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help Needed: Translation of Tombstone #general

tom klein <tom_klein@...>
 

On 8/29/98 Ury Link wrote:

j> The Calendar info on JewishGen confirms that the my gf's
death
j> after sundown
j> Aug 1, 1903 was Tisha B'Av
j>
j> Is this date good? I think that 9 Be-Av Htrsag(5663) was on 3 August
1903
j> and not on 1 August, Please check it (I don't have a Jewish calendar
from
j> 1903, but if you know that every 19 years the same days and dates come
beck
j> you can check it with the Encycl. Judaica if you go back >from 1922
j> -19 = 1903 ).But of course I can do also mistakes.

According to my Jewish calendar (I use Hayom 2, a computer programme),
Tisha b'Av 5663 was Aug 2, 1903.


Tom Klein


Searching: GOTCHMAN nee SCHNEIDER (from Kolk to Argentina) #general

Ronisl@...
 

Hi JGenners,

I am posting this for someone who presently has limited access to the
Internet. She has been trying to find some information about her
grandmother's sister. Her grand aunt was Leah SCHNEIDER or SCHINDLER or
SCHINDEL who was born in about 1895-96 in the town of Kolk, Russia which,
after WW1 became part of the Polish Republic--now part of the Ukraine. The
province of the town was Wolyn or Wolin or Volinia. Leah's married name was
something like GOTCHMAN. After her marriage, she went to Argentina some time
between 1919-1925.

Any suggestions about how to begin the search? She wants to know what became
of Grandaunt Leah once she went to Argentina. Are ship records available?
Any leads greatly appreciated.
Yours,
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: GOTCHMAN nee SCHNEIDER (from Kolk to Argentina) #general

Ronisl@...
 

Hi JGenners,

I am posting this for someone who presently has limited access to the
Internet. She has been trying to find some information about her
grandmother's sister. Her grand aunt was Leah SCHNEIDER or SCHINDLER or
SCHINDEL who was born in about 1895-96 in the town of Kolk, Russia which,
after WW1 became part of the Polish Republic--now part of the Ukraine. The
province of the town was Wolyn or Wolin or Volinia. Leah's married name was
something like GOTCHMAN. After her marriage, she went to Argentina some time
between 1919-1925.

Any suggestions about how to begin the search? She wants to know what became
of Grandaunt Leah once she went to Argentina. Are ship records available?
Any leads greatly appreciated.
Yours,
Roni Seibel Liebowitz
New York


Looking for Chometz or Clumetz #hungary

EaronDavis@...
 

Friends:
I am looking for the correct current name for a town my wife's GRINFELD family
came from. There are two candidates and "Magyar Neve" did not seem to resolve
my confusion. The town is either just a few miles southwest of Uzhgorod or a
couple of miles southeast of Uzhgorod. Thus, it is either in Slovakia or the
Ukraine. The two candidates are Kralovsky Chlmec in Slovakia or Pobka Chlmec
in the Ukraine. The only documents I have indicate that it was known as
Korlat of Korkat in Hungarian.

Any help on this issue would be appreciated.
Earon Davis
Wilmette, IL


Hungary SIG #Hungary Looking for Chometz or Clumetz #hungary

EaronDavis@...
 

Friends:
I am looking for the correct current name for a town my wife's GRINFELD family
came from. There are two candidates and "Magyar Neve" did not seem to resolve
my confusion. The town is either just a few miles southwest of Uzhgorod or a
couple of miles southeast of Uzhgorod. Thus, it is either in Slovakia or the
Ukraine. The two candidates are Kralovsky Chlmec in Slovakia or Pobka Chlmec
in the Ukraine. The only documents I have indicate that it was known as
Korlat of Korkat in Hungarian.

Any help on this issue would be appreciated.
Earon Davis
Wilmette, IL


Center for Jewish History #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

To all subscribers and others interested in Hungarian Jewish history and
culture:

For those of you who may not know, the Forward (English language edition) is
the most widely disseminated and read weekly Jewish periodical in North
America. The August 14th edition had an essay written by Dr. Allan Nadler,
former director of research at YIVO and a Jewish scholar of note, decrying
the complaints by secularists and others about the Orthodox structure of the
synagogue that is to be included in the Center for Jewish History now under
construction in New York City. While I choose not to comment on the merits
of Dr. Nadler's statements I felt it was now an opportune time to write a
letter to the editor with my own complaint described below. You should be
receiving this message before I send it to the Forward newspaper. I am more
than willing to receive and incorporate any corrections, egregious omissions
or editorial suggestions that anyone would care to send me. Please e-mail me
prior to noon (EST) Tuesday September 1st. Lmagyar@...


To The Editor:

I found such irony in the fact that Professor Allan Nadler makes a powerful
case for the Center for Jewish History to accommodate Orthodox synagogue
services within its boundaries. He states that he does so for the sake of
unity and to underscore the fact that American born Jews do not carry
"European Jewish ideological baggage." How does this square with the
complete and utter neglect of Hungarian Jewry by this future citadel of
Jewish learning and research? As the professor so poignantly writes: "the
real originality and great promise of this Center for Jewish History - is
how it will unify so many formerly warring factions of the Jewish
community". Does Hungarian Jewry merit neglect because it did not engage in
these internecine battles? To be fair the neglect of Hungarian Jewish
history will not cause a total lockout of information about its past. Among
the various organizations and groups that will be represented by the Center
for Jewish History one will be able to find an assortment of books and
papers relating to Hungarian Jewry. However, if a sample representation
displaying the panoply of Jewish historicity will be the salient feature of
the Center why not disband the European created, Leo Baeck Institute and
YIVO and incorporate their libraries and collections under the rubric of a
supra-institution whose all encompassing mission would have an appropriate
title? We know that it is not going to happen due to the residual feelings
of competition that remain >from those European battles that the professor
alludes to in his article. The constituent agencies of the Center for
Jewish History include the Leo Baeck Institute which represents German
speaking Jewry, YIVO does the same for Yiddish speaking Jewry, the AJHS
represents the contribution of American Jewry and the Sephardic Federation
does as much for the Sephardic community. Hungarian Jewry is neither a
hybrid nor a minor blip on the historical screen of Jewish history. A
dissertation making the case for the value and contribution of Hungarian
Jewish culture would require more space than I would be allowed here. The
literature of Hungarian Jews, Rabbis, scholars, scientists and Nobel prize
winners speaks compellingly for itself and does not require my solicitation
and contribution. Hungarian Jewry numbered 900,000 prior to the Holocaust
wherein more than 500,000 Hungarian Jews were mechanically but brutally
eliminated in less than one year due to the efficiencies of German
engineering and the judicious use of wartime propaganda. If history is the
mechanism where understanding is given to memory then how by any moral
yardstick can an institution calling itself the Center for Jewish History
neglect such a large and influential body such as Hungarian Jewry. Another
irony of this sad situation is that the foremost spokesman of "Memory" in
our time, Elie Wiesel is also a product of Hungarian Jewish society.


Louis Schonfeld
Beachwood, Ohio


Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/


Re: Fekete Ardo #hungary

hnm <hnm@...>
 

Fekete Ardo is now known as Chordny Ardiv or Cherny Ardov. It is now part
of the Ukraine in the Subcarpathian Region. It is very near the Romanian
Border. Its geographic coordinates are approximamtely

48 deg 05 min North Latitude
23 deg 05 min East Longitude.

It is about 5 miles south of Vinogradov.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO 80303

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Glen Hartenbaum wrote:

Is anyone familiar with Fekete Ardo ( or Fekete Erdo)? I've been
unsucessfully searching for any information about this place for almost 10
years! All I do know is that it is listed as home town for both my
great-grandparents. Any information would be very much appreciated. Stacy
Hartenbaum


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Re: Fekete Ardo #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Dear Thomas and other interested parties:

First, please note that the town is Fekete Ardo and not Fekete Erdo. Yes, it
is true that the literal meaning of Fekete Erdo means Black Forest and
perhaps the words Ardo and Erdo are interchangeable (I'll leave the answer
to that question for a native Hungarian speaker). However, you are very much
off the mark in your response. Fekete Ardo is in Subcarpathian Ruthenia,
today a part of the Ukraine. This village is less than ten miles north of
the Romanian border. It is called Csornotisziv in the Ukraine. I along with
seven fellow genealogists visited there not less than a month ago. There is
also a town in Romania which is now called Padurea Neagra, and which at one
time (when under Hungarian rule)was called Feketeerdo.

Louis

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas C. Fodor [mailto:tcfodor@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 5:59 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: Re: Fekete Ardo


Fekete Erdo

The reason you have found nothing is this is The Black Forest (aka
Schwartzwald) which has never been in Hungary, but is in Bavaria (i.e.
Germany).



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Re: NAMES #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Valerie Gold asked:

Could someone tell me what the Jewish equivalent of the names Elizabeth and
Jane.
Don't know about Jane, but my daughter-in-law is named Elizabeth and her
Hebrew name is Channah.
I think you will find that it depends upon who the person is named for--what
their Hebrew/Jewish name was. Sometimes the English name has no connection to
the Hebrew name.

Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio


Hungary SIG #Hungary Center for Jewish History #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

To all subscribers and others interested in Hungarian Jewish history and
culture:

For those of you who may not know, the Forward (English language edition) is
the most widely disseminated and read weekly Jewish periodical in North
America. The August 14th edition had an essay written by Dr. Allan Nadler,
former director of research at YIVO and a Jewish scholar of note, decrying
the complaints by secularists and others about the Orthodox structure of the
synagogue that is to be included in the Center for Jewish History now under
construction in New York City. While I choose not to comment on the merits
of Dr. Nadler's statements I felt it was now an opportune time to write a
letter to the editor with my own complaint described below. You should be
receiving this message before I send it to the Forward newspaper. I am more
than willing to receive and incorporate any corrections, egregious omissions
or editorial suggestions that anyone would care to send me. Please e-mail me
prior to noon (EST) Tuesday September 1st. Lmagyar@...


To The Editor:

I found such irony in the fact that Professor Allan Nadler makes a powerful
case for the Center for Jewish History to accommodate Orthodox synagogue
services within its boundaries. He states that he does so for the sake of
unity and to underscore the fact that American born Jews do not carry
"European Jewish ideological baggage." How does this square with the
complete and utter neglect of Hungarian Jewry by this future citadel of
Jewish learning and research? As the professor so poignantly writes: "the
real originality and great promise of this Center for Jewish History - is
how it will unify so many formerly warring factions of the Jewish
community". Does Hungarian Jewry merit neglect because it did not engage in
these internecine battles? To be fair the neglect of Hungarian Jewish
history will not cause a total lockout of information about its past. Among
the various organizations and groups that will be represented by the Center
for Jewish History one will be able to find an assortment of books and
papers relating to Hungarian Jewry. However, if a sample representation
displaying the panoply of Jewish historicity will be the salient feature of
the Center why not disband the European created, Leo Baeck Institute and
YIVO and incorporate their libraries and collections under the rubric of a
supra-institution whose all encompassing mission would have an appropriate
title? We know that it is not going to happen due to the residual feelings
of competition that remain >from those European battles that the professor
alludes to in his article. The constituent agencies of the Center for
Jewish History include the Leo Baeck Institute which represents German
speaking Jewry, YIVO does the same for Yiddish speaking Jewry, the AJHS
represents the contribution of American Jewry and the Sephardic Federation
does as much for the Sephardic community. Hungarian Jewry is neither a
hybrid nor a minor blip on the historical screen of Jewish history. A
dissertation making the case for the value and contribution of Hungarian
Jewish culture would require more space than I would be allowed here. The
literature of Hungarian Jews, Rabbis, scholars, scientists and Nobel prize
winners speaks compellingly for itself and does not require my solicitation
and contribution. Hungarian Jewry numbered 900,000 prior to the Holocaust
wherein more than 500,000 Hungarian Jews were mechanically but brutally
eliminated in less than one year due to the efficiencies of German
engineering and the judicious use of wartime propaganda. If history is the
mechanism where understanding is given to memory then how by any moral
yardstick can an institution calling itself the Center for Jewish History
neglect such a large and influential body such as Hungarian Jewry. Another
irony of this sad situation is that the foremost spokesman of "Memory" in
our time, Elie Wiesel is also a product of Hungarian Jewish society.


Louis Schonfeld
Beachwood, Ohio


Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Fekete Ardo #hungary

hnm <hnm@...>
 

Fekete Ardo is now known as Chordny Ardiv or Cherny Ardov. It is now part
of the Ukraine in the Subcarpathian Region. It is very near the Romanian
Border. Its geographic coordinates are approximamtely

48 deg 05 min North Latitude
23 deg 05 min East Longitude.

It is about 5 miles south of Vinogradov.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO 80303

On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Glen Hartenbaum wrote:

Is anyone familiar with Fekete Ardo ( or Fekete Erdo)? I've been
unsucessfully searching for any information about this place for almost 10
years! All I do know is that it is listed as home town for both my
great-grandparents. Any information would be very much appreciated. Stacy
Hartenbaum


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Hungary SIG #Hungary RE: Fekete Ardo #hungary

Louis Schonfeld <lmagyar@...>
 

Dear Thomas and other interested parties:

First, please note that the town is Fekete Ardo and not Fekete Erdo. Yes, it
is true that the literal meaning of Fekete Erdo means Black Forest and
perhaps the words Ardo and Erdo are interchangeable (I'll leave the answer
to that question for a native Hungarian speaker). However, you are very much
off the mark in your response. Fekete Ardo is in Subcarpathian Ruthenia,
today a part of the Ukraine. This village is less than ten miles north of
the Romanian border. It is called Csornotisziv in the Ukraine. I along with
seven fellow genealogists visited there not less than a month ago. There is
also a town in Romania which is now called Padurea Neagra, and which at one
time (when under Hungarian rule)was called Feketeerdo.

Louis

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas C. Fodor [mailto:tcfodor@...]
Sent: Monday, August 31, 1998 5:59 PM
To: Hungarian SIG
Subject: Re: Fekete Ardo


Fekete Erdo

The reason you have found nothing is this is The Black Forest (aka
Schwartzwald) which has never been in Hungary, but is in Bavaria (i.e.
Germany).



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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: NAMES #general

Adelle Gloger
 

Valerie Gold asked:

Could someone tell me what the Jewish equivalent of the names Elizabeth and
Jane.
Don't know about Jane, but my daughter-in-law is named Elizabeth and her
Hebrew name is Channah.
I think you will find that it depends upon who the person is named for--what
their Hebrew/Jewish name was. Sometimes the English name has no connection to
the Hebrew name.

Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio