This isn't correct. For a normal certificate of marriage not taking place in a
C of E church, one must give three weeks notice to the local registrar of
marriages. He then displays the application outside his office. However these
are not the banns. Banns are read in church.
I was a marriage secretary for 17 years in the UK and have some knowledge on the
subject.

Michael Slifkin
Jerusalem Israel

Michele Anderson wrote:

To my knowledge, bans or banns are a notice declaring the intention of
marrying.
In English law, before a religious or civil marriage can take place, the
bans must be exhibited in a public place and/or read in the place where the
marriage is to take place.
I believe that the idea is to give an fore warning to anyone who has reason
to object to the marriage with knowledge of a "legal impediment". This
could be that the bride is under age or that one of the partners is already
married.
I should imagine that this is a legal requirement in most places or are
bans not read in the U.S.?>

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This isn't correct. For a normal certificate of marriage not taking place in a
C of E church, one must give three weeks notice to the local registrar of
marriages. He then displays the application outside his office. However these
are not the banns. Banns are read in church.
I was a marriage secretary for 17 years in the UK and have some knowledge on the
subject.

Michael Slifkin
Jerusalem Israel

Michele Anderson wrote:

To my knowledge, bans or banns are a notice declaring the intention of
marrying.
In English law, before a religious or civil marriage can take place, the
bans must be exhibited in a public place and/or read in the place where the
marriage is to take place.
I believe that the idea is to give an fore warning to anyone who has reason
to object to the marriage with knowledge of a "legal impediment". This
could be that the bride is under age or that one of the partners is already
married.
I should imagine that this is a legal requirement in most places or are
bans not read in the U.S.?>

****Excessive quotes deleted*****

I recall >from my younger days, living in Montreal, the reading of the
banns by Rabbi Denburg, then the Rabbi of the B'nai Jacob Congregation,
as part of the Shabbat services. He would, as part of the announcements
of his classes, etc., read the list of forthcoming marriages. My
understanding was that this was a civil requirement of the Quebec
government.

Howard Krakower
howardk@zed.net

I recall >from my younger days, living in Montreal, the reading of the
banns by Rabbi Denburg, then the Rabbi of the B'nai Jacob Congregation,
as part of the Shabbat services. He would, as part of the announcements
of his classes, etc., read the list of forthcoming marriages. My
understanding was that this was a civil requirement of the Quebec
government.

Howard Krakower
howardk@zed.net

Dolores Palomo wrote:

Can someone give me the dates of Purim in 1847 CE?
This may help me in pinpointing my ggfather's birthday.

Purim fell on March 2, 1847 according to my calendar.

Stephen Warshall
s_warshall@post.harvard.edu
Gloucester, MA

Dolores Palomo wrote:

Can someone give me the dates of Purim in 1847 CE?
This may help me in pinpointing my ggfather's birthday.

Purim fell on March 2, 1847 according to my calendar.

Stephen Warshall
s_warshall@post.harvard.edu
Gloucester, MA

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society (JGS) of North Jersey will
be held on Thursday, October 22nd at 8:00 pm. at the YM=96YWHA of North Jersey,
1 Pike Road in Wayne, 973-595-0100.

Do you have a scandal in your family tree? While researching her mother's
genealogy, Sylvia Firschein found her mother's immigration was part of a
national scandal. Come hear this fascinating story. Her research techniques
might help you with your own research. And you never know, you just might be
included in this national scandal also!

Sylvia Firschein founded the JGS of North Jersey while working as librarian for
the YM-YWHA and is also a retired public school librarian. She now has time to
pursue her genealogical roots and has given lectures on genealogy in New Jersey
and Florida.

The Charles & Bessie Goldman Library will open at 7:00 pm. Come use our resource
center and socialize, then join us at 8:00 pm. for our meeting.
There is no charge for the program, and all are welcome.

Want to learn how to trace your roots? A Beginners' Workshop is scheduled for
Sunday, November 1st, 1-4 p.m. at the Y.. Advance registration is necessary.
Members $20 Non-members $30 Membership and workshop$40. For more information,
please contact Evan at Estolb7395@aol.com

directions >from 80 W to 46 W, make a right on Riverview Drive, at light, make
left and then right (Riverview road) make 6th right onto Valley Road, make a
right on Ratzer Road, make 2nd left onto Pike (can see the Y >from Ratzer)

from 287S to Rt23 South, take Ratzer Road Service Road, follow road to intersection,

make a left and then right staying on Ratzer, follow road, will cross intersection
(Valley Road), then make second left onto Pike.

Evan Stolbach
President, JGS of North Jersey
STOLBACH, STRIZOWER, ZYSBLAT, DUNKIEL/DUNKEL,KAPLAN/KENIGSBERG (Lodz area)

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society (JGS) of North Jersey will
be held on Thursday, October 22nd at 8:00 pm. at the YM=96YWHA of North Jersey,
1 Pike Road in Wayne, 973-595-0100.

Do you have a scandal in your family tree? While researching her mother's
genealogy, Sylvia Firschein found her mother's immigration was part of a
national scandal. Come hear this fascinating story. Her research techniques
might help you with your own research. And you never know, you just might be
included in this national scandal also!

Sylvia Firschein founded the JGS of North Jersey while working as librarian for
the YM-YWHA and is also a retired public school librarian. She now has time to
pursue her genealogical roots and has given lectures on genealogy in New Jersey
and Florida.

The Charles & Bessie Goldman Library will open at 7:00 pm. Come use our resource
center and socialize, then join us at 8:00 pm. for our meeting.
There is no charge for the program, and all are welcome.

Want to learn how to trace your roots? A Beginners' Workshop is scheduled for
Sunday, November 1st, 1-4 p.m. at the Y.. Advance registration is necessary.
Members $20 Non-members $30 Membership and workshop$40. For more information,
please contact Evan at Estolb7395@aol.com

directions >from 80 W to 46 W, make a right on Riverview Drive, at light, make
left and then right (Riverview road) make 6th right onto Valley Road, make a
right on Ratzer Road, make 2nd left onto Pike (can see the Y >from Ratzer)

from 287S to Rt23 South, take Ratzer Road Service Road, follow road to intersection,

make a left and then right staying on Ratzer, follow road, will cross intersection
(Valley Road), then make second left onto Pike.

Evan Stolbach
President, JGS of North Jersey
STOLBACH, STRIZOWER, ZYSBLAT, DUNKIEL/DUNKEL,KAPLAN/KENIGSBERG (Lodz area)

I have a book called Rashi in the Jewisk Thinkers series.
You may find that of some help.
Author is Chaim Pearl, general Editor is Arthur Hertzberg.
Published by Weidenfeld and Nicholson (London)1988 ISBN
No is 1 87001 509 6

Ray/Lee White

Moshe Wolf wrote:

Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).
Can I find this details on the Net?

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I have a book called Rashi in the Jewisk Thinkers series.
You may find that of some help.
Author is Chaim Pearl, general Editor is Arthur Hertzberg.
Published by Weidenfeld and Nicholson (London)1988 ISBN
No is 1 87001 509 6

Ray/Lee White

Moshe Wolf wrote:

Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).
Can I find this details on the Net?

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Katzenellenbogen is the name of a town in Germany where, presumably,
Meir of Padua came from. Check out the Stetl Seeker for precise
location.
Sally Bruckheimer

Katzenellenbogen is the name of a town in Germany where, presumably,
Meir of Padua came from. Check out the Stetl Seeker for precise
location.
Sally Bruckheimer

My name is Burt Masnick and I have reason to believe that I may be
related (distantly) to author Philip Roth (Portnoy's Complaint, Goodbye
Columbus, etc). A first cousin remembered distinctly that the family
had been invited to a "Roth" wedding in the early 1940s and my sister
recalled that she was startled to find a character surnamed Masnick in
one of his books (still trying to find out which book). Does anyone
know how I could get in touch with (or research getting in touch with)
the noted author to question him on this possible connection? Thanks in
advance.

Researching
ANTANIR, AXELRAD, BILLIG, BLITZ, BROWNSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN, LEITNER,
MASNICK, MESHNICK, MESNICK, PAKMAN, SCHMUKLER.

Burt Masnick
BJMasnick@aol.com

My name is Burt Masnick and I have reason to believe that I may be
related (distantly) to author Philip Roth (Portnoy's Complaint, Goodbye
Columbus, etc). A first cousin remembered distinctly that the family
had been invited to a "Roth" wedding in the early 1940s and my sister
recalled that she was startled to find a character surnamed Masnick in
one of his books (still trying to find out which book). Does anyone
know how I could get in touch with (or research getting in touch with)
the noted author to question him on this possible connection? Thanks in
advance.

Researching
ANTANIR, AXELRAD, BILLIG, BLITZ, BROWNSTEIN, FINKELSTEIN, LEITNER,
MASNICK, MESHNICK, MESNICK, PAKMAN, SCHMUKLER.

Burt Masnick
BJMasnick@aol.com

MBernet@aol.com writes:

"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" . . . .
All three names are derived >from the German Suess = sweet.
Can anyone tell me with what Hebrew name it is associated as kinnuy? Was >it relatively more common in certain areas or eras?

There was a thread in this newsgroup some time ago regarding the kinnui
of the name Siskind, which I would guess is of the same origin as the ones
that you mention. It is frequently connected with the name Alexander.
The theory as to the origin of this connection that I espoused at the
time, which no one supported or contradicted, is that the name Alexander
in some languages (e.g. Arabic) becomes Iskander, which kind of has a
similar sound to Siskind. Although this theory may not be correct,
the kinnui Siskind => Alexander definitely is very common.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

MBernet@aol.com writes:

"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" . . . .
All three names are derived >from the German Suess = sweet.
Can anyone tell me with what Hebrew name it is associated as kinnuy? Was >it relatively more common in certain areas or eras?

There was a thread in this newsgroup some time ago regarding the kinnui
of the name Siskind, which I would guess is of the same origin as the ones
that you mention. It is frequently connected with the name Alexander.
The theory as to the origin of this connection that I espoused at the
time, which no one supported or contradicted, is that the name Alexander
in some languages (e.g. Arabic) becomes Iskander, which kind of has a
similar sound to Siskind. Although this theory may not be correct,
the kinnui Siskind => Alexander definitely is very common.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

MBernet@aol.com writes:

Francis Busser, a well-versed and extremely generous contributor to the
Alsace-Lorraine List, asked me "Do you know a publication or a book about

Jewish naming traditions and etymology? "

A book that I've found very helpful (I've heard negative comments about how
scholarly it is, but whenever I've bad the opportunity to check something out,
the book has nearly always been correct.):

Kaganoff, Benzion C., 1977: A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History.
Schocken Books, New York. 250 pp.

The book includes a bibliography of older publications, some entries more
complete than others. The following are ones that appear to deal with naming
traditions and etymology:

Dreifuss, Erwin Manuel, 1927: Die Familiennamen der Juden. Frankfurt am Main.

Eshel, Moshe Hanina, 1967: Shemot Hamishpahah BeYisrael. Haifa.

Gray, G. Buchanan, 1896: Studies in Hebrew Proper Names. London.

Kessler, Gerhard, 1935: Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland. Leipzig.

Kolatch, Alfred J., 1948: These are the Names. New York.

Zunz, Leopold, 1837: Die Namen der Juden. Leipzig.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

Researching: REISS, STRAUSS, BAUM, GOLDSCHMIDT, LILIENSTEIN, EDELMUTH
GRIESHEIM, METZGER, MAY, all >from Hesse, Germany;
GOLDBLUM and FREYLICH >from Olkusz, Russo-Poland;
KRIEGER >from Malecz and Oswiecim (Auschwitz), Austro-Poland.

MBernet@aol.com writes:

Francis Busser, a well-versed and extremely generous contributor to the
Alsace-Lorraine List, asked me "Do you know a publication or a book about

Jewish naming traditions and etymology? "

A book that I've found very helpful (I've heard negative comments about how
scholarly it is, but whenever I've bad the opportunity to check something out,
the book has nearly always been correct.):

Kaganoff, Benzion C., 1977: A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History.
Schocken Books, New York. 250 pp.

The book includes a bibliography of older publications, some entries more
complete than others. The following are ones that appear to deal with naming
traditions and etymology:

Dreifuss, Erwin Manuel, 1927: Die Familiennamen der Juden. Frankfurt am Main.

Eshel, Moshe Hanina, 1967: Shemot Hamishpahah BeYisrael. Haifa.

Gray, G. Buchanan, 1896: Studies in Hebrew Proper Names. London.

Kessler, Gerhard, 1935: Die Familiennamen der Juden in Deutschland. Leipzig.

Kolatch, Alfred J., 1948: These are the Names. New York.

Zunz, Leopold, 1837: Die Namen der Juden. Leipzig.

Nat Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

Researching: REISS, STRAUSS, BAUM, GOLDSCHMIDT, LILIENSTEIN, EDELMUTH
GRIESHEIM, METZGER, MAY, all >from Hesse, Germany;
GOLDBLUM and FREYLICH >from Olkusz, Russo-Poland;
KRIEGER >from Malecz and Oswiecim (Auschwitz), Austro-Poland.

We need an attorney, or other legal help to reclaim a property in the
Czech Republic. Any help or advise will be appreciated.
Moshe Susser

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We need an attorney, or other legal help to reclaim a property in the
Czech Republic. Any help or advise will be appreciated.
Moshe Susser

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