If they were "famous" then they might have their name listed in the bound
volumes guides to the NY Times obituaries.
If they weren't famous, and you think someone in the family might have put a
PAID obituary in the Times, you can always check the times obituary pages
around the time of your relative's known date of death.

There are so many papers in the NY area -- and there used to be even more --
that it is hard to say what paper your family might have used for a obituary
unless you know what papers the family used to buy and read. Did they read The
World Telegram and Sun? The Post? The Forward? et cetera!!

Have you obtained their death certificates? Have you visited their graves?
Perhaps these might be sources of information that will help your search.

Shalom,
Judith Shulamith Langer Caplan, Long Beach, NY

Researching: APPELBAUM, BALINKY, BERNHARDT, BOCHUR, FLIEGEL, LANGER, LEPAR,
NACHUMOVITZ, RODITI, SHAMIS, SURNAMER/SURINAMER/ZURNAMER, WEBER

How would I identify sources to do obit lookups in the NYC area?

(SNIP)

Although all had interesting lives, they were not famous.

In the September 15 bulletin, there was a message about "Korzangorodok (Kozhan
Gorodok)" which attracted my attention because my grandfather, Aaron Spector,
was born (ca1877) in Samgorodok, a village or shtetl northeast of Vinnitsa in
the Ukraine. I'm not sure if it is in Kiev or Berdichev Gubernya. I have
also seen it spelled Sangorodok (with an "n" instead of an "m" ).

Can someone tell me what "Gorodok" means? Is anyone else out there
researching Samgorodok? (or Sangorodok).

Joan S. Gross

If anyone needs pictures of family stones at either Beth-el or Cedar
Park Cemeteries in Paramus area of
New Jersey plese contact me and I will be glad to help you.

This also can include RIVERSIDE CEMETERY in Lodi, NJ

Lois Segall Friedman
zdjj37a@prodigy.com

If they were "famous" then they might have their name listed in the bound
volumes guides to the NY Times obituaries.
If they weren't famous, and you think someone in the family might have put a
PAID obituary in the Times, you can always check the times obituary pages
around the time of your relative's known date of death.

There are so many papers in the NY area -- and there used to be even more --
that it is hard to say what paper your family might have used for a obituary
unless you know what papers the family used to buy and read. Did they read The
World Telegram and Sun? The Post? The Forward? et cetera!!

Have you obtained their death certificates? Have you visited their graves?
Perhaps these might be sources of information that will help your search.

Shalom,
Judith Shulamith Langer Caplan, Long Beach, NY

Researching: APPELBAUM, BALINKY, BERNHARDT, BOCHUR, FLIEGEL, LANGER, LEPAR,
NACHUMOVITZ, RODITI, SHAMIS, SURNAMER/SURINAMER/ZURNAMER, WEBER

How would I identify sources to do obit lookups in the NYC area?

(SNIP)

Although all had interesting lives, they were not famous.

In the September 15 bulletin, there was a message about "Korzangorodok (Kozhan
Gorodok)" which attracted my attention because my grandfather, Aaron Spector,
was born (ca1877) in Samgorodok, a village or shtetl northeast of Vinnitsa in
the Ukraine. I'm not sure if it is in Kiev or Berdichev Gubernya. I have
also seen it spelled Sangorodok (with an "n" instead of an "m" ).

Can someone tell me what "Gorodok" means? Is anyone else out there
researching Samgorodok? (or Sangorodok).

Joan S. Gross

If anyone needs pictures of family stones at either Beth-el or Cedar
Park Cemeteries in Paramus area of
New Jersey plese contact me and I will be glad to help you.

This also can include RIVERSIDE CEMETERY in Lodi, NJ

Lois Segall Friedman
zdjj37a@prodigy.com

For those of us with roots (Jewish or otherwise) in any day present Spanish-
speaking area, this might be a helpful genealogy group. I have found it
useful for helping me research my family in Mexico.

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland USA

BILINGUAL-SP-L is an email group for any Spanish-speaking
genealogist with an interest in any country where English is the
native language, and for any English-speaking genealogist with an
interest in any country where Spanish is the native language. All
messages are posted to the list in both English and Spanish. If you
are not bilingual, and you do not have computer translation
software, a volunteer will add a computer translation to your
message before sending it on to the list.

To subscribe, send a message to BILINGUAL-SP-L-request@rootsweb.com
with a period (.) in the Subject line and the single English word
"subscribe" (without the quotes) and no additional text in the body
of the message.

For those of us with roots (Jewish or otherwise) in any day present Spanish-
speaking area, this might be a helpful genealogy group. I have found it
useful for helping me research my family in Mexico.

Carol Rombro Rider
Baltimore, Maryland USA

BILINGUAL-SP-L is an email group for any Spanish-speaking
genealogist with an interest in any country where English is the
native language, and for any English-speaking genealogist with an
interest in any country where Spanish is the native language. All
messages are posted to the list in both English and Spanish. If you
are not bilingual, and you do not have computer translation
software, a volunteer will add a computer translation to your
message before sending it on to the list.

To subscribe, send a message to BILINGUAL-SP-L-request@rootsweb.com
with a period (.) in the Subject line and the single English word
"subscribe" (without the quotes) and no additional text in the body
of the message.

Jewish Geneological Society of Greater Boston's
http://www.jewishgen.org/boston/bostres.html
Resources for Jewish Genealogy in the Boston Area 1996
did not include Judaica, genealogical and family
history related collections of the Boston Atheneum.

For you folks who have yet to read it, college or
public library branch librarians can acquisition a copy

from JGSGB or borrow RJGB via interlibrary loan for

library users' home use.


1. Have any of you folks details about Judaica,
genealogical and family history related resources at
the Boston Atheneum?

2. Which Boston Atheneum curatorial personnel have
special interests that could include Judaica, genealogy
or family history?

Don Kempner Warner Sheml Saklad
Cambridge MA
USA
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/2464

Jewish Geneological Society of Greater Boston's
http://www.jewishgen.org/boston/bostres.html
Resources for Jewish Genealogy in the Boston Area 1996
did not include Judaica, genealogical and family
history related collections of the Boston Atheneum.

For you folks who have yet to read it, college or
public library branch librarians can acquisition a copy

from JGSGB or borrow RJGB via interlibrary loan for

library users' home use.


1. Have any of you folks details about Judaica,
genealogical and family history related resources at
the Boston Atheneum?

2. Which Boston Atheneum curatorial personnel have
special interests that could include Judaica, genealogy
or family history?

Don Kempner Warner Sheml Saklad
Cambridge MA
USA
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/2464

I am researching the shtetl of Yaza or Israilovka, located near Kirovograd in
the Ukraine. According to my ggf this community was started by Litvak Jews
who were settled there in the late 1820's by Tsar Nicholas as part of an
attempt to create a buffer against the Turks. They were given land and draft
exemption. I know that a couple of years ago there was a war crimes trial
involving the murder of 20 Jewish children >from Israelovka by Ukrainian
officers--events that took place in the summer of 1941 during the Nazi
Operation Barbarossa.

I am seeking any info on the community and also information on the surnames
SAKHNIN, ZASLOFF and SHEVELEV. Abraham Sakhnin was my ggf, born in 1879. He
migrated to NYC in 1904. His first cousin Alter Sakhnin went to Buenos Aires
and his sister Gitl married a man named Loshkin and went to Siberia. The
ZASLOFF's were his maternal side first cousins who also ended up in NYC. My
ggm was Leah SHEVELEV. Her mother was Hannah KHUSEVITSKY, >from Kremenchug, the
daughter of a rabbi and Hannah's mother was DUKIROVA. She was a feminist in
the 1860's and protested the fact that she couldn't be a rabbi herself.

Aurora Levins Morales

I am researching the shtetl of Yaza or Israilovka, located near Kirovograd in
the Ukraine. According to my ggf this community was started by Litvak Jews
who were settled there in the late 1820's by Tsar Nicholas as part of an
attempt to create a buffer against the Turks. They were given land and draft
exemption. I know that a couple of years ago there was a war crimes trial
involving the murder of 20 Jewish children >from Israelovka by Ukrainian
officers--events that took place in the summer of 1941 during the Nazi
Operation Barbarossa.

I am seeking any info on the community and also information on the surnames
SAKHNIN, ZASLOFF and SHEVELEV. Abraham Sakhnin was my ggf, born in 1879. He
migrated to NYC in 1904. His first cousin Alter Sakhnin went to Buenos Aires
and his sister Gitl married a man named Loshkin and went to Siberia. The
ZASLOFF's were his maternal side first cousins who also ended up in NYC. My
ggm was Leah SHEVELEV. Her mother was Hannah KHUSEVITSKY, >from Kremenchug, the
daughter of a rabbi and Hannah's mother was DUKIROVA. She was a feminist in
the 1860's and protested the fact that she couldn't be a rabbi herself.

Aurora Levins Morales

I am researching the Brugman family, of Curac,ao, Dutch West Indies,
then of New Orleans and then of Puerto Rico. Mathias Brugman
(1811-1868) was baptised as a Catholic in New Orleans, but as old
men, his sons were seen by a young relative secretly observing
Shabbat in Puerto Rico--this would have been around the turn of
the century. Is anyone doing work on the Dutch Jews in the Caribbean?

Aurora Levins Morales

I am researching the Brugman family, of Curac,ao, Dutch West Indies,
then of New Orleans and then of Puerto Rico. Mathias Brugman
(1811-1868) was baptised as a Catholic in New Orleans, but as old
men, his sons were seen by a young relative secretly observing
Shabbat in Puerto Rico--this would have been around the turn of
the century. Is anyone doing work on the Dutch Jews in the Caribbean?

Aurora Levins Morales

Kay Kole is a certified genealogist. That is quite different >from a
professional genealogist whose only requirement for useing that designation is that he or she charge a fee commensurate with the work to be done. A certified genealogist is one who has specialized training in the subject matter of family research. Usually, one finds that a certified genealogist is also a professional since they've have already invested time and resources into making genealogy their career.

Therefore, it was with serious import that I listed to Kay's request. She
implored me to share with you her recent experience with Dr. A Harmath,
owner and principal of Hungarogens, a Hungarian genealogy firm. I told her I would quote her correspondence with Dr. Harmath verbatim, and without added comment since I had no way to independently investigate this matter.

from Kaye Kole to Dr. A Harmath on 3 July 1998 -

" Dear Dr. Harmath: On the 26th of May I met with you at the Marriott Hotel
in Budapest, where I gave you $100 to find verification of births of Mortiz
Holitscher in 1812, and Rosa Pinsker in 1829. You indicted that would be
easy to do. You also indicated that you might be able to find death
information for them, if they died in Budapest. So far, I have heard nothing >from you. Please let me know what you have done.

Yours truly, Kaye Kole"

written in pen at the bottom of the page:

" At this time, 15 September, I have heard nothing. Thanks for spreading the information.
Sincerely, Kaye Kole"


Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

Kay Kole is a certified genealogist. That is quite different >from a
professional genealogist whose only requirement for useing that designation is that he or she charge a fee commensurate with the work to be done. A certified genealogist is one who has specialized training in the subject matter of family research. Usually, one finds that a certified genealogist is also a professional since they've have already invested time and resources into making genealogy their career.

Therefore, it was with serious import that I listed to Kay's request. She
implored me to share with you her recent experience with Dr. A Harmath,
owner and principal of Hungarogens, a Hungarian genealogy firm. I told her I would quote her correspondence with Dr. Harmath verbatim, and without added comment since I had no way to independently investigate this matter.

from Kaye Kole to Dr. A Harmath on 3 July 1998 -

" Dear Dr. Harmath: On the 26th of May I met with you at the Marriott Hotel
in Budapest, where I gave you $100 to find verification of births of Mortiz
Holitscher in 1812, and Rosa Pinsker in 1829. You indicted that would be
easy to do. You also indicated that you might be able to find death
information for them, if they died in Budapest. So far, I have heard nothing >from you. Please let me know what you have done.

Yours truly, Kaye Kole"

written in pen at the bottom of the page:

" At this time, 15 September, I have heard nothing. Thanks for spreading the information.
Sincerely, Kaye Kole"


Please visit our website at:
http://www.jewishgen.org/Hungary/

Gail Dechter writes:

Would anyone know if Jews >from the Riga, Latvia area would have been
sent to concentration camps during World WarII?

The main books:
The Holocaust in Latvia, 1941-1944 the missing centre, is by Andrew
Ezergalis. The Historical Institute of Latvia Riga and USHMM Washington
1996. isbn 9984 9054 3 8
Pinkas Hakehilot Latvia and Estonia. Dov Levin. 1988. Yad Vashem.
Jerusalem.

The Germans occupied Riga on July 1 1941. There is little doubt that the
Latvians started killing the Jews prior to the occupation
The majority of Riga's Jews (29,602) were put into a ghetto of 98,000
sq.ft of space. Most were killed in Rumbuli forest on 1 December 1941.
The killing continued until dec. 9th. Jews were brought >from other parts
of the Reich to be killed here also. Some came >from Kovno and Siauliai
in Lithuania. There were satellite labour camps, e.g. Kaiserwald.
Towards the end of the war most Jews in these camps were also killed.
The remainder were sent to Stutthof.
When Riga was liberated on October 13, 1944 150 Jews, including children,
came out of their hiding places.

I suggest you:
Subscribe to Latvia SIG discussion group on Jewish Gen
http://www1.jewishgen.org/latvia
Subscribe to their newsletter and get the back copies dealing with the
Holocaust.

If you are not in Israel get a professional Holocaust Researcher to
research at Yad Vashem for you. I can recommend one if you email me
privately.
--
Dr Saul Issroff
JGSGB
http://www.jgsgb.ort.org

Gail Dechter writes:

Would anyone know if Jews >from the Riga, Latvia area would have been
sent to concentration camps during World WarII?

The main books:
The Holocaust in Latvia, 1941-1944 the missing centre, is by Andrew
Ezergalis. The Historical Institute of Latvia Riga and USHMM Washington
1996. isbn 9984 9054 3 8
Pinkas Hakehilot Latvia and Estonia. Dov Levin. 1988. Yad Vashem.
Jerusalem.

The Germans occupied Riga on July 1 1941. There is little doubt that the
Latvians started killing the Jews prior to the occupation
The majority of Riga's Jews (29,602) were put into a ghetto of 98,000
sq.ft of space. Most were killed in Rumbuli forest on 1 December 1941.
The killing continued until dec. 9th. Jews were brought >from other parts
of the Reich to be killed here also. Some came >from Kovno and Siauliai
in Lithuania. There were satellite labour camps, e.g. Kaiserwald.
Towards the end of the war most Jews in these camps were also killed.
The remainder were sent to Stutthof.
When Riga was liberated on October 13, 1944 150 Jews, including children,
came out of their hiding places.

I suggest you:
Subscribe to Latvia SIG discussion group on Jewish Gen
http://www1.jewishgen.org/latvia
Subscribe to their newsletter and get the back copies dealing with the
Holocaust.

If you are not in Israel get a professional Holocaust Researcher to
research at Yad Vashem for you. I can recommend one if you email me
privately.
--
Dr Saul Issroff
JGSGB
http://www.jgsgb.ort.org

Just to confirm, most, but not all, occupations are translated at the
end of volume two, so it is not usually necessary to ask the archives.

In message <LYR9319-21102--saul@swico.demon.co.uk>, LitvakSIG digest
<litvaksig@lyris.jewishgen.org> writes

--
Dr Saul Issroff

Happy and Healthy New Year to all our friends at LitvakSig. What a job you
are doing! I am overwhelmed.

Doris & Don Frank, Miami
dofrank@aol.com