Tom Venetianer schrieb:

Debbi sent such a list back in February. Here is a copy:

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:30:11 -0600 (CST)
From: korman3@ix.netcom.com (Lawrence Korman)
Subject: They died of what?

I found the list. It appears that tudovesz was not the mystery word,
but the dreaded "horglob", which is an inflammation of heaven knows
what!

Aggkor - old age
Agyvelogyulladas - inflammation of the brain
Aszkor - consumption
Belhurut - intestinal disease
Cholera - cholera
Csecsrak - breast cancer
Gorcsrangas - jerking cramps
Gyomor rak - stomach cancer
Kanyaro - measles
Szivbaj - heart disease
Tudolob - pneumonia
Tudohudes - cold in lung
Tudovesz - tuberculosis
Typhus - typhus
Veleszuletett gyengeseg - inherited weakness
Vengelgyengules - final weakening
Vizkor - edema
Vorheny - scarlet fever
Veteles and elveteles - miscarriage

Debbi

at 23/09/98 - 01:39 -0300, melody gross wrote:

hoerg (o with accent) is bronchus or windpipe
hoerghurut is bronchitis
hoerglob is probably an inflamation of the bronchus
(Orszagh Laszlo angol-magyar nagyszot=E0r

best regards
gabor hirsch

From: Judith Deutsch Bennett
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:42:17
To: H-Sig
Subject: Minneapolis-St. Paul JGS

Hi:

At present there is no Jewish Genealogical Society in the Twin Cities.
There are a number of people interested in starting one. If you would like
to be involved..or to be informed, please send an e-mail to:

Steven Chall steven.chall@juno.com

We hope to hear >from you, if you are out there.

Judy Deutsch Bennett







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Tom Venetianer schrieb:

Debbi sent such a list back in February. Here is a copy:

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 19:30:11 -0600 (CST)
From: korman3@ix.netcom.com (Lawrence Korman)
Subject: They died of what?

I found the list. It appears that tudovesz was not the mystery word,
but the dreaded "horglob", which is an inflammation of heaven knows
what!

Aggkor - old age
Agyvelogyulladas - inflammation of the brain
Aszkor - consumption
Belhurut - intestinal disease
Cholera - cholera
Csecsrak - breast cancer
Gorcsrangas - jerking cramps
Gyomor rak - stomach cancer
Kanyaro - measles
Szivbaj - heart disease
Tudolob - pneumonia
Tudohudes - cold in lung
Tudovesz - tuberculosis
Typhus - typhus
Veleszuletett gyengeseg - inherited weakness
Vengelgyengules - final weakening
Vizkor - edema
Vorheny - scarlet fever
Veteles and elveteles - miscarriage

Debbi

at 23/09/98 - 01:39 -0300, melody gross wrote:

hoerg (o with accent) is bronchus or windpipe
hoerghurut is bronchitis
hoerglob is probably an inflamation of the bronchus
(Orszagh Laszlo angol-magyar nagyszot=E0r

best regards
gabor hirsch

From: Judith Deutsch Bennett
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 10:42:17
To: H-Sig
Subject: Minneapolis-St. Paul JGS

Hi:

At present there is no Jewish Genealogical Society in the Twin Cities.
There are a number of people interested in starting one. If you would like
to be involved..or to be informed, please send an e-mail to:

Steven Chall steven.chall@juno.com

We hope to hear >from you, if you are out there.

Judy Deutsch Bennett







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Gevalt! What is "honglob", appearing as a cause of death in a record dated
1893 in Slovakia. Maybe it's some sort of lung condition? scarletina?

Many thanks --
Melody Amsel Gross
sunny Beersheva, Israel
melody@gimby.save-net.co.il
searching: AMSEL/Stropkov, Vraanov, Olka, Zbudska Bela, Humenne, Hertnik,
anywhere
RITTER/Chotca, Stropkov
BAUM/Stropkov
LANDAU/Humenne
ZAZULIA,BECKER,MORGENSTERN, POLLACK/Navastelitza, Chotin,
Klishkovitz
EINSTEIN/Radomyshl

Gevalt! What is "honglob", appearing as a cause of death in a record dated
1893 in Slovakia. Maybe it's some sort of lung condition? scarletina?

Many thanks --
Melody Amsel Gross
sunny Beersheva, Israel
melody@gimby.save-net.co.il
searching: AMSEL/Stropkov, Vraanov, Olka, Zbudska Bela, Humenne, Hertnik,
anywhere
RITTER/Chotca, Stropkov
BAUM/Stropkov
LANDAU/Humenne
ZAZULIA,BECKER,MORGENSTERN, POLLACK/Navastelitza, Chotin,
Klishkovitz
EINSTEIN/Radomyshl

Katz was the cantor at the orthodox synagogue (Essenweinstrasse) in Nurnberg,
Germany. He emigrated about 1937/38 and had a position in Newfoundland
(possibly Labrador or Nova Scotia). I recall him as a very good cantor and
assume he later obtained a position in Canada or the USA.

Does anyone have information on him or his son (Walter? Herbert?) b. ca 1930,
who was my classmate.

Thank you.

Michael Bernet

Katz was the cantor at the orthodox synagogue (Essenweinstrasse) in Nurnberg,
Germany. He emigrated about 1937/38 and had a position in Newfoundland
(possibly Labrador or Nova Scotia). I recall him as a very good cantor and
assume he later obtained a position in Canada or the USA.

Does anyone have information on him or his son (Walter? Herbert?) b. ca 1930,
who was my classmate.

Thank you.

Michael Bernet

Chaim Harutz writes:
(SNIP)
<<1. A recent discussion occurred regarding the Hebrew word Gaon
(Gimel aleph vav nun-sofit). (SNIP)

==OK, I'm guilty here, I got involved in this one. We were discussing the
progression of the meaning of the word >from "Resh Metivte Ga'on Yaakov" to
"genius." We were all familiar with the current Israeli idimoatic use; our
essential question was "When did Ga'on acquire its modern Israeli meaning of
"genius." You have added something useful by mentioning it's been so used at
least 300 years. Can you give your sources? I assume Ben Yehuda had this
meaning; do you have access to BY and can you give us his sources?

<<2. There was a recent query regarding the origin of the name "Sima" -
referring to a woman originating in Eastern Europe. A number of postings came
in regarding this name, some of which were, at best, misleading or off the
point, and may even be, for all I know, grossly incorrect. (SNIP)

==I was the poster in question. I made it very clear that this was a
Sephardic dimunitive. You may be surprised to know that there are at least
one, possibly even two or more <g> readers of this list who have Sephardi
ancestors. You may be even more surprised that there were Sephardim in East
Europe (Bulgaria, of course, Serbia, Greece, Hungary, even Russia), and that
there was a cultural flow of Sephardic culture >from the Holy Land.

==I really fail to see how anyone asking whether Sima meant Sister in Yiddish
or was an alternative for Pearl, could be grievously misled by being told that
Sima was a common diminuitive among Sephardim for the feminine Simcha.

==Your comments
<<Despite my promise in the past to Dave Snyder not to get involved in this
type of argument, I've finally given in to anger and frustration regarding
some half-baked and pseudo-educated responses to queries about names, some of
which have been justifiably commented on by moderators. . . . What worries me
is those apparently "clever" people who post replies to the digest, which
appear to be detailed and erudite, but are frequently in error or misleading,
and sometimes even off the point.>>
are, to put it mildly offensive and misleading. I can really see no
justification for breaking your promise to Dave Snyder and
even less for your anger and frustration by your labeling of our discussion as
<< half-baked and pseudo-educated>>.

==Can we get back again to some civilized discussion and intercourse EVEN when
the proffered suggestions and help may deviate occasionally >from scientific
accuracy. They can be more helpful than acrimonious attacks. Incidentally, I
did not see your righteous anger when a number of posters reassured a gentile,
(inquiring if his ancestor might have been Jewish because HIS granpa had
called him Bubbele): "Of course he's Jewish, that's a Yiddish word and it
means grandmother." Now that is a response that deserved rebuttal for a
number of reasons including that the word is pan-Germanic for a little baby,
that grandmother and little baby are not synonymous in Yiddish or any other
language, and that nothing about Jewish ancestry can be inferred >from the fact
that someone calls someone else by a name that sounds like Yiddish (shall I
assume that all those Southern macho types known as Bubba have veins that flow
with Jewish blood?)

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Although we had asked that all answers be private, this
exception has been made as it clarifies some of the points the original
poster had raised. Thread now closed.

Chaim Harutz writes:
(SNIP)
<<1. A recent discussion occurred regarding the Hebrew word Gaon
(Gimel aleph vav nun-sofit). (SNIP)

==OK, I'm guilty here, I got involved in this one. We were discussing the
progression of the meaning of the word >from "Resh Metivte Ga'on Yaakov" to
"genius." We were all familiar with the current Israeli idimoatic use; our
essential question was "When did Ga'on acquire its modern Israeli meaning of
"genius." You have added something useful by mentioning it's been so used at
least 300 years. Can you give your sources? I assume Ben Yehuda had this
meaning; do you have access to BY and can you give us his sources?

<<2. There was a recent query regarding the origin of the name "Sima" -
referring to a woman originating in Eastern Europe. A number of postings came
in regarding this name, some of which were, at best, misleading or off the
point, and may even be, for all I know, grossly incorrect. (SNIP)

==I was the poster in question. I made it very clear that this was a
Sephardic dimunitive. You may be surprised to know that there are at least
one, possibly even two or more <g> readers of this list who have Sephardi
ancestors. You may be even more surprised that there were Sephardim in East
Europe (Bulgaria, of course, Serbia, Greece, Hungary, even Russia), and that
there was a cultural flow of Sephardic culture >from the Holy Land.

==I really fail to see how anyone asking whether Sima meant Sister in Yiddish
or was an alternative for Pearl, could be grievously misled by being told that
Sima was a common diminuitive among Sephardim for the feminine Simcha.

==Your comments
<<Despite my promise in the past to Dave Snyder not to get involved in this
type of argument, I've finally given in to anger and frustration regarding
some half-baked and pseudo-educated responses to queries about names, some of
which have been justifiably commented on by moderators. . . . What worries me
is those apparently "clever" people who post replies to the digest, which
appear to be detailed and erudite, but are frequently in error or misleading,
and sometimes even off the point.>>
are, to put it mildly offensive and misleading. I can really see no
justification for breaking your promise to Dave Snyder and
even less for your anger and frustration by your labeling of our discussion as
<< half-baked and pseudo-educated>>.

==Can we get back again to some civilized discussion and intercourse EVEN when
the proffered suggestions and help may deviate occasionally >from scientific
accuracy. They can be more helpful than acrimonious attacks. Incidentally, I
did not see your righteous anger when a number of posters reassured a gentile,
(inquiring if his ancestor might have been Jewish because HIS granpa had
called him Bubbele): "Of course he's Jewish, that's a Yiddish word and it
means grandmother." Now that is a response that deserved rebuttal for a
number of reasons including that the word is pan-Germanic for a little baby,
that grandmother and little baby are not synonymous in Yiddish or any other
language, and that nothing about Jewish ancestry can be inferred >from the fact
that someone calls someone else by a name that sounds like Yiddish (shall I
assume that all those Southern macho types known as Bubba have veins that flow
with Jewish blood?)

Michael Bernet, New York

MODERATOR NOTE: Although we had asked that all answers be private, this
exception has been made as it clarifies some of the points the original
poster had raised. Thread now closed.

At 15:37 24-09-98 -0400, you wrote:

Would anyone know the most likely route for emigration >from Riga in 1887?

I have some indication that my great grandmother Sarah Bass may have come
via Sweden. I am not sure if this was possible or if it is more likely that
she would have had to depart >from Hamburg.

It was an often used to go >from Riga to either Sweden or Denmark. It was a
cheap route for those who lived in Latvia.

You can try to check out the Danish Emigration Archives website (online
search possible - but NOTE: NO SOUNDEX, only WILDCARDS) - the address is:

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc13656/

and/or

The Swedish Emigrant Institute

http://www.hv.se/forskn/migr/sei/eng2.html

I am not sure whether online search there is possible.

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator of THE PAIKIN GENEALOGY PROJECT
-------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin
Coordinator of the Paikin Genealogy Project
Kildevaenget 37, DK-2100 Copenhagen O, Denmark
Phone & Fax: +45 39 27 24 33
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
-----------------------------------------------

At 15:37 24-09-98 -0400, you wrote:

Would anyone know the most likely route for emigration >from Riga in 1887?

I have some indication that my great grandmother Sarah Bass may have come
via Sweden. I am not sure if this was possible or if it is more likely that
she would have had to depart >from Hamburg.

It was an often used to go >from Riga to either Sweden or Denmark. It was a
cheap route for those who lived in Latvia.

You can try to check out the Danish Emigration Archives website (online
search possible - but NOTE: NO SOUNDEX, only WILDCARDS) - the address is:

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc13656/

and/or

The Swedish Emigrant Institute

http://www.hv.se/forskn/migr/sei/eng2.html

I am not sure whether online search there is possible.

Best regards

Elsebeth Paikin, Copenhagen, Denmark
Coordinator of THE PAIKIN GENEALOGY PROJECT
-------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------------
Elsebeth Paikin
Coordinator of the Paikin Genealogy Project
Kildevaenget 37, DK-2100 Copenhagen O, Denmark
Phone & Fax: +45 39 27 24 33
e-mail: elsebeth@paikin.dk
-----------------------------------------------

Would anyone know the most likely route for emigration >from Riga in 1887?

I have some indication that my great grandmother Sarah Bass may have come
via Sweden. I am not sure if this was possible or if it is more likely that
she would have had to depart >from Hamburg.

Any help would be appreciated before I try searching the Indexes to Hamburg
ship departures for that year.

L'Shana Tova

Roger Fleischman

Would anyone know the most likely route for emigration >from Riga in 1887?

I have some indication that my great grandmother Sarah Bass may have come
via Sweden. I am not sure if this was possible or if it is more likely that
she would have had to depart >from Hamburg.

Any help would be appreciated before I try searching the Indexes to Hamburg
ship departures for that year.

L'Shana Tova

Roger Fleischman

Does anyone have a list of Hungarian causes of death, to be used with the
1851-1898 death records?

Thanks
Melody Amsel Gross
sunny Beersheva, Israel
melody@gimby.save-net.co.il
searching: AMSEL/Stropkov, Vraanov, Olka, Zbudska Bela, Humenne, Hertnik,
anywhere
RITTER/Chotca, Stropkov
BAUM/Stropkov
LANDAU/Humenne
ZAZULIA,BECKER,MORGENSTERN, POLLACK/Navastelitza, Chotin,
Klishkovitz
EINSTEIN/Radomyshl

Dear all,

Could somebody help me to identify where is in Slovakia (or maybe Hungary?)
a town called Olahszentgyorgy, called in German Siebenburgen, and what is
its present name. Replies in private will be appreciated.

Many thanks in advance
Tom

Searching for:
* VENETIANER or WENEZIANER - Slovakia/Hungary/Holland/Belgium/Austria
Kosice (Kassa) - Presov (Eperjes) - Liptovsky Mikulas (Liptoszentmiklos)
Ruzomberok (Rozsahegy) - Budapest - Szeged - Amsterdam - Antwerp - Vienna
* STARK - Slovakia/Hungary, Kosice (Kassa) - Miko'ha'za
* WEISZ or WEIS - Slovakia/Hungary, Kosice (Kassa) - Abaujszanto'
* BERGER - Slovakia, Lipto' megye (county)

Does anyone have a list of Hungarian causes of death, to be used with the
1851-1898 death records?

Thanks
Melody Amsel Gross
sunny Beersheva, Israel
melody@gimby.save-net.co.il
searching: AMSEL/Stropkov, Vraanov, Olka, Zbudska Bela, Humenne, Hertnik,
anywhere
RITTER/Chotca, Stropkov
BAUM/Stropkov
LANDAU/Humenne
ZAZULIA,BECKER,MORGENSTERN, POLLACK/Navastelitza, Chotin,
Klishkovitz
EINSTEIN/Radomyshl

Dear all,

Could somebody help me to identify where is in Slovakia (or maybe Hungary?)
a town called Olahszentgyorgy, called in German Siebenburgen, and what is
its present name. Replies in private will be appreciated.

Many thanks in advance
Tom

Searching for:
* VENETIANER or WENEZIANER - Slovakia/Hungary/Holland/Belgium/Austria
Kosice (Kassa) - Presov (Eperjes) - Liptovsky Mikulas (Liptoszentmiklos)
Ruzomberok (Rozsahegy) - Budapest - Szeged - Amsterdam - Antwerp - Vienna
* STARK - Slovakia/Hungary, Kosice (Kassa) - Miko'ha'za
* WEISZ or WEIS - Slovakia/Hungary, Kosice (Kassa) - Abaujszanto'
* BERGER - Slovakia, Lipto' megye (county)

In the Slovak Republic the town's name is possibly Hanusovce nad Toplou

Marian Brown wrote:

In the Slovak Republic the town's name is possibly Hanusovce nad Toplou

Marian Brown wrote: