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Mother's maiden family name #hungary

Touvia Goldstein <touviagoldstein@...>
 

Rabbi Marmorstein wrote:

< ...but went unrecorded and children had to be registered under the
mother's maiden name.>

As I consider the following information of a personal genealogical
experience pertinent to the list, permit me to post it:

Almost 20 years ago when I started my geneological research, as I am a
Levi, (Tribe alevi),I was only looking for Goldstein Leviim. This
almost axiomatic situation for me than, made disregard many elderly
people that I interviewed in the course of time as I did not continue
with them the investigation because they where not Leviim.

Some years ago I discoverd in a factual way a Goldstein beeing a Cohen
and then I found out the story that jewish mother's, for some reason
that I did not know, and now I find, eventually, the explaination in
Rabbi Marmorstein's post, why this happened.

Further more, also some years ago, I found out that I was not the
first born to my own parents. They never spoke of my elder brother z"l
that died when he was 4 months old. He is burried in the Kocise Jewish
Cemetary under the name of Hibshcman, my mother's maiden name, and not
Goldstein.My parents are first cousins as you can see it My Family Tree.

<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756/>

The Goldstein Cohen mentioned above,was the son of a Goldstein lady
married to a Cohen.

Touvia Goldstein
Kiryat Ono, ISRAEL




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Hungary SIG #Hungary Mother's maiden family name #hungary

Touvia Goldstein <touviagoldstein@...>
 

Rabbi Marmorstein wrote:

< ...but went unrecorded and children had to be registered under the
mother's maiden name.>

As I consider the following information of a personal genealogical
experience pertinent to the list, permit me to post it:

Almost 20 years ago when I started my geneological research, as I am a
Levi, (Tribe alevi),I was only looking for Goldstein Leviim. This
almost axiomatic situation for me than, made disregard many elderly
people that I interviewed in the course of time as I did not continue
with them the investigation because they where not Leviim.

Some years ago I discoverd in a factual way a Goldstein beeing a Cohen
and then I found out the story that jewish mother's, for some reason
that I did not know, and now I find, eventually, the explaination in
Rabbi Marmorstein's post, why this happened.

Further more, also some years ago, I found out that I was not the
first born to my own parents. They never spoke of my elder brother z"l
that died when he was 4 months old. He is burried in the Kocise Jewish
Cemetary under the name of Hibshcman, my mother's maiden name, and not
Goldstein.My parents are first cousins as you can see it My Family Tree.

<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Flats/1756/>

The Goldstein Cohen mentioned above,was the son of a Goldstein lady
married to a Cohen.

Touvia Goldstein
Kiryat Ono, ISRAEL




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Presov, Slovakian Research #hungary

Family Tree <familyt@...>
 

Dear Members,

In regard to our announcement regarding Family Tree's research trips in
Slovakia, I would like to inform you that our researchers are planning
to go to Eperjes (Presov) in about a week. Everyone interested in having

genealogical research done regarding towns the material of which can be
found at the Eperjes Archive should contact us as soon as possible.

Our forthcoming trip presents an ideal opportunity for examining birth,
marriage and death records between a shorter period of time, for looking

through censuses or checking certain data without facing the problem
that the travel and lodging costs exceed the costs of the research,
itself.

Any further inquiries, such as photographing the town, the cemetery,
etc. will be considered. All questions, ideas or suggestions are
welcome.

Responding to our present message, please put the word EPERJES into the
subject column.

Best wishes,

Anita

Anita Monori
Account Director

**************************************************
FAMILY TREE Ltd. Genealogical Research Bureau
Member of the National Genealogical Society (USA)
Phone: (36 1) 388 2301 Fax: (36 1) 387 8172
mailto:familyt@hungary.net
http://www.familytree.hu
**************************************************


Dear Members,

Many times we come across the problem that whenever one would only like
to get 1 or 2 records or one would only need some brief research have
done at the Slovakian Archives, in most of the cases the travel costs
double or triple the research fee. Now we would like to offer a solution

for this. In the future we will visit a previously indicated archive in

Slovakia and will be there for a week in order to do all of the so
called "little" work.
At the beginning of every month we will let you know which one is the
chosen archive. In October, for example, we are going to go to Kassa
(Kosice) and Eperjes (Presov), while in November, as it is now planned,
to Besztercebanya (Banska Bystrica).
Doing so we can conduct this kind of work without it resulting in
significant or uneconomical expenses for you.
Thus those of you who have questions or requests regarding the towns the

material of which can be found in Kassa or Eperjes, please contact us as

soon as possible. We will send a quotation for all of the inquiries.
Please put the words KASSA/EPERJES into the subject column.

Regards,

George

--
George Eotvos
Family Tree Ltd. (Csaladfa Kft)
Partner & Managing Director


Hungary SIG #Hungary Presov, Slovakian Research #hungary

Family Tree <familyt@...>
 

Dear Members,

In regard to our announcement regarding Family Tree's research trips in
Slovakia, I would like to inform you that our researchers are planning
to go to Eperjes (Presov) in about a week. Everyone interested in having

genealogical research done regarding towns the material of which can be
found at the Eperjes Archive should contact us as soon as possible.

Our forthcoming trip presents an ideal opportunity for examining birth,
marriage and death records between a shorter period of time, for looking

through censuses or checking certain data without facing the problem
that the travel and lodging costs exceed the costs of the research,
itself.

Any further inquiries, such as photographing the town, the cemetery,
etc. will be considered. All questions, ideas or suggestions are
welcome.

Responding to our present message, please put the word EPERJES into the
subject column.

Best wishes,

Anita

Anita Monori
Account Director

**************************************************
FAMILY TREE Ltd. Genealogical Research Bureau
Member of the National Genealogical Society (USA)
Phone: (36 1) 388 2301 Fax: (36 1) 387 8172
mailto:familyt@hungary.net
http://www.familytree.hu
**************************************************


Dear Members,

Many times we come across the problem that whenever one would only like
to get 1 or 2 records or one would only need some brief research have
done at the Slovakian Archives, in most of the cases the travel costs
double or triple the research fee. Now we would like to offer a solution

for this. In the future we will visit a previously indicated archive in

Slovakia and will be there for a week in order to do all of the so
called "little" work.
At the beginning of every month we will let you know which one is the
chosen archive. In October, for example, we are going to go to Kassa
(Kosice) and Eperjes (Presov), while in November, as it is now planned,
to Besztercebanya (Banska Bystrica).
Doing so we can conduct this kind of work without it resulting in
significant or uneconomical expenses for you.
Thus those of you who have questions or requests regarding the towns the

material of which can be found in Kassa or Eperjes, please contact us as

soon as possible. We will send a quotation for all of the inquiries.
Please put the words KASSA/EPERJES into the subject column.

Regards,

George

--
George Eotvos
Family Tree Ltd. (Csaladfa Kft)
Partner & Managing Director


JewishGen Holocaust Registry - First Anniversary #general

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

Just one short year ago, JewishGen launched the Holocaust Global
Registry. It was the eve of Kristallnacht, lest we forget.

Under the leadership of Kathy Altmann, the Holocaust Global Registry
has grown >from a figment of our imaginations into a master database of
survivors, those of us searching for survivors and those who's
identity may have been changed.

Today, the Holocaust Global Registry has over 1350 entries. One only
has to read one or two of the remembrances posted here to be reminded
of what really happened during those grim years.

JewishGen is proud to be able to claim at least one family reunion
made over 50 years later because of information posted by YOU to this
important database. One connection to us is worth its weight in gold!

http://www.jewishgen.org/registry/

In the "spirit" of sharing, JewishGen recently began the process of
sending "looking for" posts >from the Holocaust Global Registry to The
Shoah Foundation where they are being checked against the records of
survivors they have interviewed, in hopes that this cooperative spirit
between two organizations will yield a few more miracles.

JewishGen also recently began to host the Missing Identity site
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/, their purpose ... to
assist child survivors with finding their identity and connecting with
their past.

As we all go about our daily tasks over the next day, let us take a
few minutes >from our hectic schedules to just remember what went on
many years ago today.

And let us march forward ever so quickly to "preserve this precious
history". For it is this "spirit" of sharing and giving which has
become JewishGen's hallmark over these many years. One only has to
look at the growing source of information now available on JewishGen
to truly realize that this "spirit" lives within us all. It is truly
remarkable!

Susan


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JewishGen Holocaust Registry - First Anniversary #general

Susan E. King <susan.king@...>
 

Just one short year ago, JewishGen launched the Holocaust Global
Registry. It was the eve of Kristallnacht, lest we forget.

Under the leadership of Kathy Altmann, the Holocaust Global Registry
has grown >from a figment of our imaginations into a master database of
survivors, those of us searching for survivors and those who's
identity may have been changed.

Today, the Holocaust Global Registry has over 1350 entries. One only
has to read one or two of the remembrances posted here to be reminded
of what really happened during those grim years.

JewishGen is proud to be able to claim at least one family reunion
made over 50 years later because of information posted by YOU to this
important database. One connection to us is worth its weight in gold!

http://www.jewishgen.org/registry/

In the "spirit" of sharing, JewishGen recently began the process of
sending "looking for" posts >from the Holocaust Global Registry to The
Shoah Foundation where they are being checked against the records of
survivors they have interviewed, in hopes that this cooperative spirit
between two organizations will yield a few more miracles.

JewishGen also recently began to host the Missing Identity site
http://www.jewishgen.org/missing-identity/, their purpose ... to
assist child survivors with finding their identity and connecting with
their past.

As we all go about our daily tasks over the next day, let us take a
few minutes >from our hectic schedules to just remember what went on
many years ago today.

And let us march forward ever so quickly to "preserve this precious
history". For it is this "spirit" of sharing and giving which has
become JewishGen's hallmark over these many years. One only has to
look at the growing source of information now available on JewishGen
to truly realize that this "spirit" lives within us all. It is truly
remarkable!

Susan


Searching Beltsy, Moldova #general

Foxaru@...
 

I am searching for information on my grandparents that were >from Beltz,
Bessarabia, Romania now known as Beltsy, Moldova. The surnames are as follows:
KRASNANSKY, ADAS, GELFANT or GELFAND, and CERA. Thank you. Cheryl Fox


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching Beltsy, Moldova #general

Foxaru@...
 

I am searching for information on my grandparents that were >from Beltz,
Bessarabia, Romania now known as Beltsy, Moldova. The surnames are as follows:
KRASNANSKY, ADAS, GELFANT or GELFAND, and CERA. Thank you. Cheryl Fox


Re: A Threatening Letter #general

spvolk@...
 

Dear All,

Frankly I am amaized that a detail like a social security number would be
included even for people who are dead. Fraud is a huge issue, and with a
soc sec nbr, date of birth, mother's maiden name, an identity could be
constructed. Why tempt fate? If the relative is so irate (his finances
are immaterial) perhaps there is a good reason for it. The Government does
not make census information public until more than 70 (76?) years have
passed, why not follow such a rule for soc. sec. numbers?

People have unlisted phone numbers for a reason, and not everybody wants to
hear >from everybody even if they are related. Why publish them at all?
You can always give them out if specifically requested.

One solution is to collect all the information, but only publish a
portion. The balance can always be added at a later, more suitable, date.
Why not err on the side of caution and keep people at least semi-content.
Maybe there is a little too much pride of authorship at work here.
Compromise really doesn't cost too much.

Regards
Shelley Volk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Threatening Letter #general

spvolk@...
 

Dear All,

Frankly I am amaized that a detail like a social security number would be
included even for people who are dead. Fraud is a huge issue, and with a
soc sec nbr, date of birth, mother's maiden name, an identity could be
constructed. Why tempt fate? If the relative is so irate (his finances
are immaterial) perhaps there is a good reason for it. The Government does
not make census information public until more than 70 (76?) years have
passed, why not follow such a rule for soc. sec. numbers?

People have unlisted phone numbers for a reason, and not everybody wants to
hear >from everybody even if they are related. Why publish them at all?
You can always give them out if specifically requested.

One solution is to collect all the information, but only publish a
portion. The balance can always be added at a later, more suitable, date.
Why not err on the side of caution and keep people at least semi-content.
Maybe there is a little too much pride of authorship at work here.
Compromise really doesn't cost too much.

Regards
Shelley Volk


words on tombstones #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs <sachs@...>
 

Stew Driller <sdriller@erols.com> asked about words on tombstones.

Be sure to check the cemetery project. There is a section on reading
tombstones.
see: http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery
Look down the main section for reading tombstones.

Arline Sachs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen words on tombstones #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs <sachs@...>
 

Stew Driller <sdriller@erols.com> asked about words on tombstones.

Be sure to check the cemetery project. There is a section on reading
tombstones.
see: http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery
Look down the main section for reading tombstones.

Arline Sachs


Missing family graves #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any experience on how to find missing family members that
are not in the family grave site?

Short of calling every cemetary in the New York area does anyone have any
other ideas how to find my family members?

I am looking for my great, great grandparents graves. No one is left in
the family that remembers where they are buried but I know they came to New
York around 1870. Going through the New York City area records I have not
been able to find either death certificate but I strongly believe they
lived/died in New York City. The family's sons shows up in the census
records for lower Manhattan (1900, 1910, 1920 plus the sons were all
naturalized in New York) and in the 1910 Census I even find my great, great
grandmother living with one of her sons. But that is all I can find.

The family plot is in a cemetary that did not open until 1915 so I suspect
they are buried at another New York area cemetary. I know they are >from
Odessa but don't know if they belonged to a burial society and don't know
their temple. I suspect that my great great grandfater died about 1890 or
before because all three of his children named children with their father's
name in the early 1890s. That's all I know.

No idea why New York City does not have deather certificates -- any guesses
from anyone reading this? I am going to do a second search to try and
check on these certificates but it seems odd that they do not exist.

Thanks for your advice/insights.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to check out the IAJGS Cemetery Project
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Missing family graves #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any experience on how to find missing family members that
are not in the family grave site?

Short of calling every cemetary in the New York area does anyone have any
other ideas how to find my family members?

I am looking for my great, great grandparents graves. No one is left in
the family that remembers where they are buried but I know they came to New
York around 1870. Going through the New York City area records I have not
been able to find either death certificate but I strongly believe they
lived/died in New York City. The family's sons shows up in the census
records for lower Manhattan (1900, 1910, 1920 plus the sons were all
naturalized in New York) and in the 1910 Census I even find my great, great
grandmother living with one of her sons. But that is all I can find.

The family plot is in a cemetary that did not open until 1915 so I suspect
they are buried at another New York area cemetary. I know they are >from
Odessa but don't know if they belonged to a burial society and don't know
their temple. I suspect that my great great grandfater died about 1890 or
before because all three of his children named children with their father's
name in the early 1890s. That's all I know.

No idea why New York City does not have deather certificates -- any guesses
from anyone reading this? I am going to do a second search to try and
check on these certificates but it seems odd that they do not exist.

Thanks for your advice/insights.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to check out the IAJGS Cemetery Project
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/>.


Re: Spouses buried in non-adjacent plots #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu> wrote:
My paternal grandparents are buried at Bushey cemetery (just outside
London). My gf died in 1950, my gm in 1955. But Booba is nowhere near
Zayde -- apparently because my father and his brothers didn't think of
reserving the space, which strikes me as extraordinary in 1950! So my
Booba is in a completely different section in this enormous cemetery.
Not too surprised. Death can be very traumatic for the immediate next of
kin and with only 48 hours to arrange burial details get forgotten. This
is especially true if the decendant was not affiliated with a congregation
or association which had reserved part of the cemetary and had the next of
kin had to hunt around for a suitable plot. Finances may also play a role
if the price of a plot is expensive.

Neither of my grandparents are buried close together. May be it was failure
to plan and maybe it wasn't the custom in the 1920's and 30's and may be it
was financial. It is all speculation. In any case this is a reason to
pre-plan.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Spouses buried in non-adjacent plots #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu> wrote:
My paternal grandparents are buried at Bushey cemetery (just outside
London). My gf died in 1950, my gm in 1955. But Booba is nowhere near
Zayde -- apparently because my father and his brothers didn't think of
reserving the space, which strikes me as extraordinary in 1950! So my
Booba is in a completely different section in this enormous cemetery.
Not too surprised. Death can be very traumatic for the immediate next of
kin and with only 48 hours to arrange burial details get forgotten. This
is especially true if the decendant was not affiliated with a congregation
or association which had reserved part of the cemetary and had the next of
kin had to hunt around for a suitable plot. Finances may also play a role
if the price of a plot is expensive.

Neither of my grandparents are buried close together. May be it was failure
to plan and maybe it wasn't the custom in the 1920's and 30's and may be it
was financial. It is all speculation. In any case this is a reason to
pre-plan.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


Commonwealth War Graves Commission #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

The URL for the list of men and women of Britain and the Commonwealth
buried or commemorated by the Commission since 1914 is

http://www.cwgc.org/

It is very busy.

Harold Pollins

MODERATOR NOTE: Very busy, indeed! We tried this several times and
couldn't get through, so be warned.


Re: spouses not always buried together! #general

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz <gsogush@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-11-08 14:19:16 EST, jrw@Brown.edu writes:
"Don't take for granted that spouses are"usually" buried together.
This is by no means automatically the case."
My husband's g-grandparents, Osias/Yehoshua (1833-1903)and D'vora
(SILBERSTEIN)PLOFSKY (1833-1929) are buried in separate rows in the
Slonimer Plot of Mt. Zion Cemetery, Queens. In this oldest, most
orthodox section of the cemetery, men and women are not buried together.

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz
<gsogush@neca.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Commonwealth War Graves Commission #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

The URL for the list of men and women of Britain and the Commonwealth
buried or commemorated by the Commission since 1914 is

http://www.cwgc.org/

It is very busy.

Harold Pollins

MODERATOR NOTE: Very busy, indeed! We tried this several times and
couldn't get through, so be warned.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: spouses not always buried together! #general

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz <gsogush@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-11-08 14:19:16 EST, jrw@Brown.edu writes:
"Don't take for granted that spouses are"usually" buried together.
This is by no means automatically the case."
My husband's g-grandparents, Osias/Yehoshua (1833-1903)and D'vora
(SILBERSTEIN)PLOFSKY (1833-1929) are buried in separate rows in the
Slonimer Plot of Mt. Zion Cemetery, Queens. In this oldest, most
orthodox section of the cemetery, men and women are not buried together.

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz
<gsogush@neca.com>