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Re: A Threatening Letter #general

spvolk@...
 

Dear All,

Frankly I am amaized that a detail like a social security number would be
included even for people who are dead. Fraud is a huge issue, and with a
soc sec nbr, date of birth, mother's maiden name, an identity could be
constructed. Why tempt fate? If the relative is so irate (his finances
are immaterial) perhaps there is a good reason for it. The Government does
not make census information public until more than 70 (76?) years have
passed, why not follow such a rule for soc. sec. numbers?

People have unlisted phone numbers for a reason, and not everybody wants to
hear >from everybody even if they are related. Why publish them at all?
You can always give them out if specifically requested.

One solution is to collect all the information, but only publish a
portion. The balance can always be added at a later, more suitable, date.
Why not err on the side of caution and keep people at least semi-content.
Maybe there is a little too much pride of authorship at work here.
Compromise really doesn't cost too much.

Regards
Shelley Volk


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A Threatening Letter #general

spvolk@...
 

Dear All,

Frankly I am amaized that a detail like a social security number would be
included even for people who are dead. Fraud is a huge issue, and with a
soc sec nbr, date of birth, mother's maiden name, an identity could be
constructed. Why tempt fate? If the relative is so irate (his finances
are immaterial) perhaps there is a good reason for it. The Government does
not make census information public until more than 70 (76?) years have
passed, why not follow such a rule for soc. sec. numbers?

People have unlisted phone numbers for a reason, and not everybody wants to
hear >from everybody even if they are related. Why publish them at all?
You can always give them out if specifically requested.

One solution is to collect all the information, but only publish a
portion. The balance can always be added at a later, more suitable, date.
Why not err on the side of caution and keep people at least semi-content.
Maybe there is a little too much pride of authorship at work here.
Compromise really doesn't cost too much.

Regards
Shelley Volk


words on tombstones #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs <sachs@...>
 

Stew Driller <sdriller@erols.com> asked about words on tombstones.

Be sure to check the cemetery project. There is a section on reading
tombstones.
see: http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery
Look down the main section for reading tombstones.

Arline Sachs


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen words on tombstones #general

Arline and Sidney Sachs <sachs@...>
 

Stew Driller <sdriller@erols.com> asked about words on tombstones.

Be sure to check the cemetery project. There is a section on reading
tombstones.
see: http://www.jewishgen.org/cemetery
Look down the main section for reading tombstones.

Arline Sachs


Missing family graves #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any experience on how to find missing family members that
are not in the family grave site?

Short of calling every cemetary in the New York area does anyone have any
other ideas how to find my family members?

I am looking for my great, great grandparents graves. No one is left in
the family that remembers where they are buried but I know they came to New
York around 1870. Going through the New York City area records I have not
been able to find either death certificate but I strongly believe they
lived/died in New York City. The family's sons shows up in the census
records for lower Manhattan (1900, 1910, 1920 plus the sons were all
naturalized in New York) and in the 1910 Census I even find my great, great
grandmother living with one of her sons. But that is all I can find.

The family plot is in a cemetary that did not open until 1915 so I suspect
they are buried at another New York area cemetary. I know they are >from
Odessa but don't know if they belonged to a burial society and don't know
their temple. I suspect that my great great grandfater died about 1890 or
before because all three of his children named children with their father's
name in the early 1890s. That's all I know.

No idea why New York City does not have deather certificates -- any guesses
from anyone reading this? I am going to do a second search to try and
check on these certificates but it seems odd that they do not exist.

Thanks for your advice/insights.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to check out the IAJGS Cemetery Project
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/>.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Missing family graves #general

A. E. Jordan
 

Does anyone have any experience on how to find missing family members that
are not in the family grave site?

Short of calling every cemetary in the New York area does anyone have any
other ideas how to find my family members?

I am looking for my great, great grandparents graves. No one is left in
the family that remembers where they are buried but I know they came to New
York around 1870. Going through the New York City area records I have not
been able to find either death certificate but I strongly believe they
lived/died in New York City. The family's sons shows up in the census
records for lower Manhattan (1900, 1910, 1920 plus the sons were all
naturalized in New York) and in the 1910 Census I even find my great, great
grandmother living with one of her sons. But that is all I can find.

The family plot is in a cemetary that did not open until 1915 so I suspect
they are buried at another New York area cemetary. I know they are >from
Odessa but don't know if they belonged to a burial society and don't know
their temple. I suspect that my great great grandfater died about 1890 or
before because all three of his children named children with their father's
name in the early 1890s. That's all I know.

No idea why New York City does not have deather certificates -- any guesses
from anyone reading this? I am going to do a second search to try and
check on these certificates but it seems odd that they do not exist.

Thanks for your advice/insights.

Allan Jordan
aejordan@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: You may want to check out the IAJGS Cemetery Project
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Cemetery/>.


Re: Spouses buried in non-adjacent plots #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu> wrote:
My paternal grandparents are buried at Bushey cemetery (just outside
London). My gf died in 1950, my gm in 1955. But Booba is nowhere near
Zayde -- apparently because my father and his brothers didn't think of
reserving the space, which strikes me as extraordinary in 1950! So my
Booba is in a completely different section in this enormous cemetery.
Not too surprised. Death can be very traumatic for the immediate next of
kin and with only 48 hours to arrange burial details get forgotten. This
is especially true if the decendant was not affiliated with a congregation
or association which had reserved part of the cemetary and had the next of
kin had to hunt around for a suitable plot. Finances may also play a role
if the price of a plot is expensive.

Neither of my grandparents are buried close together. May be it was failure
to plan and maybe it wasn't the custom in the 1920's and 30's and may be it
was financial. It is all speculation. In any case this is a reason to
pre-plan.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Spouses buried in non-adjacent plots #general

Avrum Lapin <avrum113@...>
 

Judith Romney Wegner <jrw@Brown.edu> wrote:
My paternal grandparents are buried at Bushey cemetery (just outside
London). My gf died in 1950, my gm in 1955. But Booba is nowhere near
Zayde -- apparently because my father and his brothers didn't think of
reserving the space, which strikes me as extraordinary in 1950! So my
Booba is in a completely different section in this enormous cemetery.
Not too surprised. Death can be very traumatic for the immediate next of
kin and with only 48 hours to arrange burial details get forgotten. This
is especially true if the decendant was not affiliated with a congregation
or association which had reserved part of the cemetary and had the next of
kin had to hunt around for a suitable plot. Finances may also play a role
if the price of a plot is expensive.

Neither of my grandparents are buried close together. May be it was failure
to plan and maybe it wasn't the custom in the 1920's and 30's and may be it
was financial. It is all speculation. In any case this is a reason to
pre-plan.

Avrum Lapin, of Upland, CA
avrum113@cyberg8t.com

Researching:
LAPIN Grodno
LAPUNSKI Grodno,Indura and Sokolka
KATZ,Abraham Bialystok and Sokolka
LUBELSKY Bialystok
RODIN Winnipeg and Gomel


Commonwealth War Graves Commission #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

The URL for the list of men and women of Britain and the Commonwealth
buried or commemorated by the Commission since 1914 is

http://www.cwgc.org/

It is very busy.

Harold Pollins

MODERATOR NOTE: Very busy, indeed! We tried this several times and
couldn't get through, so be warned.


Re: spouses not always buried together! #general

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz <gsogush@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-11-08 14:19:16 EST, jrw@Brown.edu writes:
"Don't take for granted that spouses are"usually" buried together.
This is by no means automatically the case."
My husband's g-grandparents, Osias/Yehoshua (1833-1903)and D'vora
(SILBERSTEIN)PLOFSKY (1833-1929) are buried in separate rows in the
Slonimer Plot of Mt. Zion Cemetery, Queens. In this oldest, most
orthodox section of the cemetery, men and women are not buried together.

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz
<gsogush@neca.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Commonwealth War Graves Commission #general

Harold Pollins <pollins@...>
 

The URL for the list of men and women of Britain and the Commonwealth
buried or commemorated by the Commission since 1914 is

http://www.cwgc.org/

It is very busy.

Harold Pollins

MODERATOR NOTE: Very busy, indeed! We tried this several times and
couldn't get through, so be warned.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: spouses not always buried together! #general

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz <gsogush@...>
 

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 98-11-08 14:19:16 EST, jrw@Brown.edu writes:
"Don't take for granted that spouses are"usually" buried together.
This is by no means automatically the case."
My husband's g-grandparents, Osias/Yehoshua (1833-1903)and D'vora
(SILBERSTEIN)PLOFSKY (1833-1929) are buried in separate rows in the
Slonimer Plot of Mt. Zion Cemetery, Queens. In this oldest, most
orthodox section of the cemetery, men and women are not buried together.

Gertrude Singer Ogushwitz
<gsogush@neca.com>


Names: Hayo and Raffeil #general

Alan Perry <perry2@...>
 

I have just received a letter in which the names of two children, Hayo
and Raffeil Goudsmit appear. They were apparently born in Holland in
1842. Has anybody ever heard of the name HAYO? RAFFEIL might be
Raphael but has anybody ever seen it spelled this way?

Thanking you for any advice,

Alan

Alan Perry
Wilmington, NC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Names: Hayo and Raffeil #general

Alan Perry <perry2@...>
 

I have just received a letter in which the names of two children, Hayo
and Raffeil Goudsmit appear. They were apparently born in Holland in
1842. Has anybody ever heard of the name HAYO? RAFFEIL might be
Raphael but has anybody ever seen it spelled this way?

Thanking you for any advice,

Alan

Alan Perry
Wilmington, NC


Re: Metz, France #general

Alan Rosenfield <arosen@...>
 

There is a newsgroup called genealor, that operates by e-mail. I don't
have particulars, but you should be able to find their address in Dejanews
archives.
--
Al Rosenfield
Columbus OH
arosen@gcfn.org


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Metz, France #general

Alan Rosenfield <arosen@...>
 

There is a newsgroup called genealor, that operates by e-mail. I don't
have particulars, but you should be able to find their address in Dejanews
archives.
--
Al Rosenfield
Columbus OH
arosen@gcfn.org


Podzelva, Lithuania #general

Arlene Weiss <Balbec@...>
 

I would like to hear >from others interested in Podzelva (Pazelva), Vilkomer
District, Lithuania. Also, does anyone have any information concerning
the "Podzelva shul" in Cleveland?

Arlene Weiss, Chicago
searching: VOLK >from Podzelva, SCHWARTZBERG, Rokiskis - Long Island


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Podzelva, Lithuania #general

Arlene Weiss <Balbec@...>
 

I would like to hear >from others interested in Podzelva (Pazelva), Vilkomer
District, Lithuania. Also, does anyone have any information concerning
the "Podzelva shul" in Cleveland?

Arlene Weiss, Chicago
searching: VOLK >from Podzelva, SCHWARTZBERG, Rokiskis - Long Island


SSDI #general

Len Pincus <lpincus@...>
 

Got to jump into this one! My GF Harry BERGER died in 1945 and is listed in
the SSDI. I was able to obtain his SS-5 which provided me with some
information no one had ever known. I suspect that it is just a hit and miss
thing.
Another GF died in 1952 and is also listed.

Len Pincus
lenny@inorbit.com Murrieta, CA

Looking for: SPIEGEL >from Brody, WEINSTEIN >from California, BERGER from
Lomza


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen SSDI #general

Len Pincus <lpincus@...>
 

Got to jump into this one! My GF Harry BERGER died in 1945 and is listed in
the SSDI. I was able to obtain his SS-5 which provided me with some
information no one had ever known. I suspect that it is just a hit and miss
thing.
Another GF died in 1952 and is also listed.

Len Pincus
lenny@inorbit.com Murrieta, CA

Looking for: SPIEGEL >from Brody, WEINSTEIN >from California, BERGER from
Lomza