David, I have never heard about this list but I believe evry bit of info
which can be translated should be. The web is the worlds biggest file of
info.

Gayle

SEEKING Slobodkin's >from Minsk, Garfinkel, Moskovitz, Zelevansky from
Timkovichi
Leah Garfinkel ? daughter of Mendel and Rose Ettie Zelevansky born circ
1860-1880 in Timikovichi, Belarus

David M. Fox wrote:

David, I have never heard about this list but I believe evry bit of info
which can be translated should be. The web is the worlds biggest file of
info.

Gayle

SEEKING Slobodkin's >from Minsk, Garfinkel, Moskovitz, Zelevansky from
Timkovichi
Leah Garfinkel ? daughter of Mendel and Rose Ettie Zelevansky born circ
1860-1880 in Timikovichi, Belarus

David M. Fox wrote:

To Steven Weiss:

You wonder about the Balzeckas Lithuanian Museum in Chicago. Years ago,
when I was just starting to research my grandfather's town of Keidan
(Kedainiai) I visited there briefly. Although there didn't seem to be much
on display about Jews, I was surprised to learn that their staff librarian
was a Lithuanian Jew, whose name, if I recollect it correctly, was
Feinhauzas. In a brief conversation, he seemed very interested in my
questions and offered to be helpful. Sadly, I moved away >from Chicago
before I had a chance to return and pursue it, but I wouldn't rule out a
visit down there if I were you.

A. Cassel

To Steven Weiss:

You wonder about the Balzeckas Lithuanian Museum in Chicago. Years ago,
when I was just starting to research my grandfather's town of Keidan
(Kedainiai) I visited there briefly. Although there didn't seem to be much
on display about Jews, I was surprised to learn that their staff librarian
was a Lithuanian Jew, whose name, if I recollect it correctly, was
Feinhauzas. In a brief conversation, he seemed very interested in my
questions and offered to be helpful. Sadly, I moved away >from Chicago
before I had a chance to return and pursue it, but I wouldn't rule out a
visit down there if I were you.

A. Cassel

There is some interesting information on contacting the Vilnius State
Historical Archives on the Lithuanian Genealogy website at
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Luthuanian/indexn11.html">Lithuanian
Genealogy</A> <http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Luthuanian/indexn11.html>. I am
sure that the service and quality of translation depends on who processes your
order but some of the suggestions on this webpage are worthwhile to consider.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG

There is some interesting information on contacting the Vilnius State
Historical Archives on the Lithuanian Genealogy website at
<A HREF="http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Luthuanian/indexn11.html">Lithuanian
Genealogy</A> <http://www.angelfire.com/ut/Luthuanian/indexn11.html>. I am
sure that the service and quality of translation depends on who processes your
order but some of the suggestions on this webpage are worthwhile to consider.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG

<<
Subject: Help with Records
From: Wolinsky <wolinsky@interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:26:13 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

I have received a batch of documents >from the Kaunas Archives and hoped
more experienced folks could help me interpret some information in there:

--The research was on the Israel and Tumin families, of Slobodka and
Shrednik, respectively.
I noted that the same number was assigned to families >from 1834 through
1898. Such as #35 for the Israels.
But within the #35 in one case were people with apparently different last
names, such as Movsha SEGAL and his brother Borukh,.
Is it likely that the Segals are related to the Israels because they were
listed in that group?>>

The Family Registration Number is for an entire household which could have
included several different surnames, usually related. So in a search done for
your for Israel's, it is likely that Vitalija Gircyte could have found the
Segals who may have been sons-in-law, nephews, wives' brothers or cousins of
the Israels. People registered as living in the same household are not always
related, but this is a strong possibility. Also keep in mind that the people
who were registered as living there officially may not have actually still
been living there.

<<--In 1874, the revision list notes that Girsh Nison Israel lived in his own
wooden house. It gives a location of the 8th section in the 3rd district of
Kaunas. Do maps exist that would pinpoint that location? This is the only
record that notes a person's "own wooden house." What other housing
arrangements were there?>>

Maps or "plats" do exist for some towns and Howard Margol is working on
obtaining lists of maps that exist >from the Vilnius State Historical Archives.
You will probably have to write to Vitalija for an explanation of "own wooden
house," but I'd guess that the significance was that Girsh lived separately

from the other Israels.

<< --In 1852, the translation fails to list women's names >from the Tumin
family--though the women's names are listed elsewhere. COuld the translator
have overlooked this? Or women's names not taken down in 1852.>>

It depends on what kind of list this is. Women are not listed on many
documents and are on a separate page >from men on the Revision Lists. The only
listing in Vitalija's Catalog of Jewish Holdings of the Kaunas Archive for
1852 is for a Towndwellers list which probably only listed the heads of
households (men).

<< --Two family members were listed as "missing." E.G., Itsko Izrael who was
"39 in 1834, missing" in 1850. What does missing mean? Did they go
underground because of the draft? Or were they simply missing and presumed
dead? Any guesses?>>

Missing means just that - they weren't there when the census was taken -- and
since there was usually a specific notation for conscription, for death, for
explosion >from the Jewish community or if the person moved it really isn't
possible to know why they were missing. Remember that our ancestors tried to
protect sons >from the draft by having their names left off this Revision List
(which was made affeer all for purposes of taxation and the draft) -- so they
might have been there but somehow avoided being listed. Two of my great
granduncles (Simon and Chaim Friedland) were listed as the same person, Simon
Chaim on one Revision List.

<<--What is the Army Recruitment District List? Are these men eligible for
the military or men in the military?>>

I am not sure - In 1868 there was a military records list for Kaunas. But
since I have seen people as old as 75 and as young as babies on it I am a
little bewildered myself. I have written to Vitalija about this and hope to
have an answer soon. It is clarification of this kind of issue that is
holding up publication of the Catalog of Jewish Holdings of the Kaunas
Archives.

<<Anyone waiting for records might like to know that the search for these
records was started Dec. 19, 1997 and records were sent out Oct. 2, 1998.>>

We are trying to set up a system for monitoring the progress of research at
the Kaunas Archives.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG

<<
Subject: Help with Records
From: Wolinsky <wolinsky@interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 18:26:13 -0500
X-Message-Number: 2

I have received a batch of documents >from the Kaunas Archives and hoped
more experienced folks could help me interpret some information in there:

--The research was on the Israel and Tumin families, of Slobodka and
Shrednik, respectively.
I noted that the same number was assigned to families >from 1834 through
1898. Such as #35 for the Israels.
But within the #35 in one case were people with apparently different last
names, such as Movsha SEGAL and his brother Borukh,.
Is it likely that the Segals are related to the Israels because they were
listed in that group?>>

The Family Registration Number is for an entire household which could have
included several different surnames, usually related. So in a search done for
your for Israel's, it is likely that Vitalija Gircyte could have found the
Segals who may have been sons-in-law, nephews, wives' brothers or cousins of
the Israels. People registered as living in the same household are not always
related, but this is a strong possibility. Also keep in mind that the people
who were registered as living there officially may not have actually still
been living there.

<<--In 1874, the revision list notes that Girsh Nison Israel lived in his own
wooden house. It gives a location of the 8th section in the 3rd district of
Kaunas. Do maps exist that would pinpoint that location? This is the only
record that notes a person's "own wooden house." What other housing
arrangements were there?>>

Maps or "plats" do exist for some towns and Howard Margol is working on
obtaining lists of maps that exist >from the Vilnius State Historical Archives.
You will probably have to write to Vitalija for an explanation of "own wooden
house," but I'd guess that the significance was that Girsh lived separately

from the other Israels.

<< --In 1852, the translation fails to list women's names >from the Tumin
family--though the women's names are listed elsewhere. COuld the translator
have overlooked this? Or women's names not taken down in 1852.>>

It depends on what kind of list this is. Women are not listed on many
documents and are on a separate page >from men on the Revision Lists. The only
listing in Vitalija's Catalog of Jewish Holdings of the Kaunas Archive for
1852 is for a Towndwellers list which probably only listed the heads of
households (men).

<< --Two family members were listed as "missing." E.G., Itsko Izrael who was
"39 in 1834, missing" in 1850. What does missing mean? Did they go
underground because of the draft? Or were they simply missing and presumed
dead? Any guesses?>>

Missing means just that - they weren't there when the census was taken -- and
since there was usually a specific notation for conscription, for death, for
explosion >from the Jewish community or if the person moved it really isn't
possible to know why they were missing. Remember that our ancestors tried to
protect sons >from the draft by having their names left off this Revision List
(which was made affeer all for purposes of taxation and the draft) -- so they
might have been there but somehow avoided being listed. Two of my great
granduncles (Simon and Chaim Friedland) were listed as the same person, Simon
Chaim on one Revision List.

<<--What is the Army Recruitment District List? Are these men eligible for
the military or men in the military?>>

I am not sure - In 1868 there was a military records list for Kaunas. But
since I have seen people as old as 75 and as young as babies on it I am a
little bewildered myself. I have written to Vitalija about this and hope to
have an answer soon. It is clarification of this kind of issue that is
holding up publication of the Catalog of Jewish Holdings of the Kaunas
Archives.

<<Anyone waiting for records might like to know that the search for these
records was started Dec. 19, 1997 and records were sent out Oct. 2, 1998.>>

We are trying to set up a system for monitoring the progress of research at
the Kaunas Archives.

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG

Hello

Sometime ago I was at a genealogy seminar, and a man whose name was
something like Goldzamt said he was looking for his family. Perhaps there
are still some of his family around. I wonder if anyone remembers this man. He said that his name was very unusual.
Sholom

Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com

Hello

Sometime ago I was at a genealogy seminar, and a man whose name was
something like Goldzamt said he was looking for his family. Perhaps there
are still some of his family around. I wonder if anyone remembers this man. He said that his name was very unusual.
Sholom

Esther Feinstein Sackheim
ZeraKodesh@aol.com

WHAT LANGUAGE IS IT IN? HOW LONG IS IT? I CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE YIDDISH.,
REGARDS, MERLE

We can help with Hebrew.

Steven and Sharon Shapiro

WHAT LANGUAGE IS IT IN? HOW LONG IS IT? I CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE YIDDISH.,
REGARDS, MERLE

We can help with Hebrew.

Steven and Sharon Shapiro

Take a look at http://www.psk.co.at/report/index.html for a list of 7,000
dormant "Postsparkasse" bank accounts!

Randol Schoenberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note that this is not an interactive
searchable database, but one that prints out long lists of
names. When we tested it, it took 20 minutes to download a
single alphabetical report

Take a look at http://www.psk.co.at/report/index.html for a list of 7,000
dormant "Postsparkasse" bank accounts!

Randol Schoenberg

MODERATOR NOTE: Please note that this is not an interactive
searchable database, but one that prints out long lists of
names. When we tested it, it took 20 minutes to download a
single alphabetical report

I think Warren's message is that Harkavy was suggesting that these could be
names that folks could walk around with every day. Yes, his derivations were
connected enough, but had (and still have!!!) virtually NO practical
application. This, I believe, was Warren's point! (as much as I don't like to
agree with Warren, I have to here!).

Jim
JimYarin
jimyarin@aol.com

In article <v03010d03b253dc77579a@[128.148.19.87]>, jrw@Brown.edu (Judith
Romney Wegner) writes:

Warren Blatt claims that many of the Harkavy's "English" equivalents to
Yiddish names came right out of his head and bore no relationship to
real-life practices. However, Warren's list of examples >from Harkavy
contained at least one case (and perhaps more) of "one of these things is
not like the others." So which was the odd man (or odd men!) out?
Warren said: > for "Uri" and "Shraga", he [Harkavy] suggests "Phoebus"<
_In actual historical fact_ Uri and Shraga _are_ directly connected with
Phoebus.

-------snip---------
JimYarin@aol.com
Somerville, MA

I think Warren's message is that Harkavy was suggesting that these could be
names that folks could walk around with every day. Yes, his derivations were
connected enough, but had (and still have!!!) virtually NO practical
application. This, I believe, was Warren's point! (as much as I don't like to
agree with Warren, I have to here!).

Jim
JimYarin
jimyarin@aol.com

In article <v03010d03b253dc77579a@[128.148.19.87]>, jrw@Brown.edu (Judith
Romney Wegner) writes:

Warren Blatt claims that many of the Harkavy's "English" equivalents to
Yiddish names came right out of his head and bore no relationship to
real-life practices. However, Warren's list of examples >from Harkavy
contained at least one case (and perhaps more) of "one of these things is
not like the others." So which was the odd man (or odd men!) out?
Warren said: > for "Uri" and "Shraga", he [Harkavy] suggests "Phoebus"<
_In actual historical fact_ Uri and Shraga _are_ directly connected with
Phoebus.

-------snip---------
JimYarin@aol.com
Somerville, MA

Anyone know the GOLDSTEIN family of Carbondale, PA? In 1920, there was a Louis
Goldstein and family with 4 children. Another Louis lived right around the
corner, and it is the second Louis and his wife with which I am interested. The
latter Louis GOLDSTEIN died in 1972, age about 80. His wife Sonia (nee EPHRON)
died in 1969, age about 74.

Researching EPHRON/EFRON/EFFRON etc. >from all places, all times.

Jim Yarin
Jimyarin@aol.com
JimYarin@aol.com
Somerville, MA

Anyone know the GOLDSTEIN family of Carbondale, PA? In 1920, there was a Louis
Goldstein and family with 4 children. Another Louis lived right around the
corner, and it is the second Louis and his wife with which I am interested. The
latter Louis GOLDSTEIN died in 1972, age about 80. His wife Sonia (nee EPHRON)
died in 1969, age about 74.

Researching EPHRON/EFRON/EFFRON etc. >from all places, all times.

Jim Yarin
Jimyarin@aol.com
JimYarin@aol.com
Somerville, MA