Dear all,

I hope you had a healthy fast :)

About this subject, some comments to add:

Remember that it is UP TO YOU to keep your email address registered with
the major email address directories. If somebody's address doesn't shows up
or is outdated it's because the person is negligent :(

Here are some major email address directories for the US:

http://www.411locate.com/
http://www.bigfoot.com/index.htm
http://www.iname.com/
http://www.lycos.com/pplfndr.html
http://www2.switchboard.com/
http://www.whowhere.com/WhosThere
http://yahoo.four11.com/
http://home.netscape.com/escapes/whitepages/people.html

Some of these place maintain address searches too. However, the best way to
find addresses is to use the online telephone directories. Here are some:

http://www.555-1212.com/whte_us.htm
http://www.bigfoot.com/RUN?FN=BFD
http://www.switchboard.com/

I hope this helps
chatima tova
Tom

MODERATOR'S NOTE: We would not normally publish a list such as the above
but in the interest of bringing this thread to a satisfactory conclusion,
the above is offered as an incomplete listing of email address sources.

Dear all,

I hope you had a healthy fast :)

About this subject, some comments to add:

Remember that it is UP TO YOU to keep your email address registered with
the major email address directories. If somebody's address doesn't shows up
or is outdated it's because the person is negligent :(

Here are some major email address directories for the US:

http://www.411locate.com/
http://www.bigfoot.com/index.htm
http://www.iname.com/
http://www.lycos.com/pplfndr.html
http://www2.switchboard.com/
http://www.whowhere.com/WhosThere
http://yahoo.four11.com/
http://home.netscape.com/escapes/whitepages/people.html

Some of these place maintain address searches too. However, the best way to
find addresses is to use the online telephone directories. Here are some:

http://www.555-1212.com/whte_us.htm
http://www.bigfoot.com/RUN?FN=BFD
http://www.switchboard.com/

I hope this helps
chatima tova
Tom

MODERATOR'S NOTE: We would not normally publish a list such as the above
but in the interest of bringing this thread to a satisfactory conclusion,
the above is offered as an incomplete listing of email address sources.

Most, if not all, of these directories require that the participant
register.


MODERATOR'S NOTE: We'll close this thread with this message.

Does anyone read (old style) Dutch well enough to translate a birth
certificate >from 1886 and a marriage certificate >from 1877?

Please respond directly to corin@concentric.net

Thanks!

//Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

Searching:

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV -- Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH -- Orsha, Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Providence, RI
BRAUN -- Hungary; NYC ... DU BOFF/MEISTROFF -- Russia; NYC; Nassau
County, NY
KANEFSKY/KANEVSKY and RIVKIN -- Elizabetgrod (Kirovgrod), Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR -- Holland ... VAN SANTEN -- Amsterdam; NYC
WEISS -- Hungary or Czechoslavakia; NYC; Middlesex, NJ

Most, if not all, of these directories require that the participant
register.


MODERATOR'S NOTE: We'll close this thread with this message.

Does anyone read (old style) Dutch well enough to translate a birth
certificate >from 1886 and a marriage certificate >from 1877?

Please respond directly to corin@concentric.net

Thanks!

//Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

Searching:

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV -- Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH -- Orsha, Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Providence, RI
BRAUN -- Hungary; NYC ... DU BOFF/MEISTROFF -- Russia; NYC; Nassau
County, NY
KANEFSKY/KANEVSKY and RIVKIN -- Elizabetgrod (Kirovgrod), Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR -- Holland ... VAN SANTEN -- Amsterdam; NYC
WEISS -- Hungary or Czechoslavakia; NYC; Middlesex, NJ

Todah rabbah to all who provided insights for me. Let's close this
before it becomes a linguistic thread which has a tendency to unravel
interminably.

613 Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN

PS Stan Goodman of Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel offered one additional small
nuance I had not seen before; -ov meaning "from" as opposed to -ovich
meaning "son of".


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Consider the thread closed.

Todah rabbah to all who provided insights for me. Let's close this
before it becomes a linguistic thread which has a tendency to unravel
interminably.

613 Steven Chall in Minneapolis, MN

PS Stan Goodman of Qiryat Tiv'on, Israel offered one additional small
nuance I had not seen before; -ov meaning "from" as opposed to -ovich
meaning "son of".


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Consider the thread closed.

I'm trying to locate cousins in the UK. My late grandfather, Louis LINKOFF,
was somewhat estranged >from his family after he came to Canada. Back in
England he had three sisters, all of whom were born in London: Becky,
Golda, and Anne (or Annie). Each of these women lived to an old age (ripe
or otherwise!). (Another sister, Ray (or Rae) died in 1920.)

I know that Becky was married and had at least one son. In the mid-1970s,
they were living in Brighton. I believe that by this time, Golda had passed
away (perhaps only a few years earlier). Anne probably died in the 1940s

from what I can tell.

I'm hampered in tracking down these great-aunts children and grandchildren
as I don't have a married name for any of them!

Three questions: (1) To those of you resident in the UK, might any of you
be the children/grandchildren I seek? (2) Any chance you might know of
someone whose family history sounds something like what I've described? (3)
Is there an e-mail discussion group similar to JewishGen for the UK
specifically, as this U.S. seems to be very U.S.-centric (sorry guys) (I
*do* think I'll take out a membership in the JGSGB)?

My first thought about how to try to track down married names for these
women would be to review voters' lists [see note below] to see when they no
longer show up at their father's address (which I have, fortunately), then
to research marriage records in London for the year in which each of them
seems to have moved, assuming they got married at that time. (I do know my
great-grandparents' full names, so that should help, since I believe this
info would have been required for the marriage certificate.

Any info/suggestions, etc., welcome. Please respond privately. TIA.

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada

I'm trying to locate cousins in the UK. My late grandfather, Louis LINKOFF,
was somewhat estranged >from his family after he came to Canada. Back in
England he had three sisters, all of whom were born in London: Becky,
Golda, and Anne (or Annie). Each of these women lived to an old age (ripe
or otherwise!). (Another sister, Ray (or Rae) died in 1920.)

I know that Becky was married and had at least one son. In the mid-1970s,
they were living in Brighton. I believe that by this time, Golda had passed
away (perhaps only a few years earlier). Anne probably died in the 1940s

from what I can tell.

I'm hampered in tracking down these great-aunts children and grandchildren
as I don't have a married name for any of them!

Three questions: (1) To those of you resident in the UK, might any of you
be the children/grandchildren I seek? (2) Any chance you might know of
someone whose family history sounds something like what I've described? (3)
Is there an e-mail discussion group similar to JewishGen for the UK
specifically, as this U.S. seems to be very U.S.-centric (sorry guys) (I
*do* think I'll take out a membership in the JGSGB)?

My first thought about how to try to track down married names for these
women would be to review voters' lists [see note below] to see when they no
longer show up at their father's address (which I have, fortunately), then
to research marriage records in London for the year in which each of them
seems to have moved, assuming they got married at that time. (I do know my
great-grandparents' full names, so that should help, since I believe this
info would have been required for the marriage certificate.

Any info/suggestions, etc., welcome. Please respond privately. TIA.

Gail Copeland
Thornhill (Toronto), ON Canada

The new list of documents of GenAmi is available on our Website.
As usual, this list as well as the other contents are updated by Robbert
de GROOT, our competent and faithful friend.
It is also possible for us to send a hard paper version.
To read the documents you may come to our library. But for all the
documents without a copyright, it is also possible for our members to get
some copies , and there are a lot in that case.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France

http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami

The new list of documents of GenAmi is available on our Website.
As usual, this list as well as the other contents are updated by Robbert
de GROOT, our competent and faithful friend.
It is also possible for us to send a hard paper version.
To read the documents you may come to our library. But for all the
documents without a copyright, it is also possible for our members to get
some copies , and there are a lot in that case.

Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France

http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami

I too am curious about "Miriam." My great grandmother always was known as
"Emma." I have located an immigrant passenger record of a "Miriam" which
looks like it could be my great grandmother. Does anybody know if Emma was
short for Miriam?????
Thanks. --Steve Slesinger

I too am curious about "Miriam." My great grandmother always was known as
"Emma." I have located an immigrant passenger record of a "Miriam" which
looks like it could be my great grandmother. Does anybody know if Emma was
short for Miriam?????
Thanks. --Steve Slesinger

Dear JewishGenners,

Just found this web site For UK-St. Catherine Marriages database.

http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/StCathsTranscriptions

Good Luck!


Arlene B. Edwards
Glezmah@aol.com
Mission Viejo, CA

Dear JewishGenners,

Just found this web site For UK-St. Catherine Marriages database.

http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/StCathsTranscriptions

Good Luck!


Arlene B. Edwards
Glezmah@aol.com
Mission Viejo, CA

You wrote
...Can Yehudit be the Hebrew name for Hendle?...

Moshe Wolf

Answer:
Yehudit is not Hendle.
Hendle came >from the German word Hinde and it mean a female Gazelle. The
Hebrew word Tzvia mean the same and came >from Tzvi (Zwi) = Gazelle.

Ury link
Amsterdam
Holland

You wrote
...Can Yehudit be the Hebrew name for Hendle?...

Moshe Wolf

Answer:
Yehudit is not Hendle.
Hendle came >from the German word Hinde and it mean a female Gazelle. The
Hebrew word Tzvia mean the same and came >from Tzvi (Zwi) = Gazelle.

Ury link
Amsterdam
Holland

Subject: Re: Re: UK Certificates
From: Gailcopela@aol.com

><<You should note that Jewish marriage certificates can only be issued by the

Synagogue holding the Marriage register>>

But what happens in the case where the synagogue no longer exists? Also, is
the reference to "Jewish marriage certificates" a reference to the recording
of the religious marriage as distinct >from the civil marriage? Wouldn't
everyone also have had to obtain a marriage certificate >from the civil
authorities? I'm about to send off my request to this UK body for my
grandparents' marriage certificate.

If the wedding took place after 1837 and you know the year and the names of
the parties (or even just the husband's name if you don't know the wife's
maiden name) it is a fairly simple matter to get hold of the English
marriage certificate >from the civil authorities; this certificate will
specify exactly where the wedding took place, including the name of the
synagogue if did take place in a synagogue, and the names of the rabbis who
officiated.

It was not clear whether by "Jewish marriage certificate" you are referring
to the Jewish marriage AUTHORIZATION issued by the Beth Din before a Jewish
marriage takes place, or whether you were referring to the Hebrew ketubbah.
I don't know whether the authorities keep a copy of the ketubbah itself,
this is a Hebrew (or more precisely Aramaic) marriage document required to
be given by the bridegroom to the bride as a matter of religious law. I
don't think they do keep a copy (or at least not in the days before
photocopying). But if you know the names of the parties, the date of the
marriage, and the name of the synagogue, you can quickly and easily and
even -- mirabile dictu! -- cheaply get a photocopy of the marriage
authorization document by writing to Charles Tucker at the London Beth Din
Research Unit. That's how I got my grandparents' marriage authorization --
for which he charged me $10.00 -- quite promptly when I sent in the
information. ( Of course, it's quite another story if you don't know the
date or the synagogue and require some research to be done -- this will not
only cost money but also take time since currently Mr. Tucker is the only
person doing this research

The authorization document actually contains valuable information (if you
don't already know it) -- in particular the Hebrew names of the bride and
groom; and if the father of either of them was a Cohen or a Levi it will
automatically specify this too (and if it doesn't, he wasn't). It will
also list the Hebrew names of any brothers of the bridegroom who will be
attending the wedding (at least, my grandparents' authorization
certificate in 1903 listed the names of two my grandfather's brothers)
which could be useful if you don't already know those Hebrew names. It
will even tell you whether the parties established their identities through
production of their birth certificates or in some other fashion.

Judith Romney Wegner
jfrw@brown.edu
.

Some of my ancestors lived in Sheffield >from about 1880. I am fairly new to
genealogy and would be very grateful if anyone could help me with the
following:

1. They all lived in the same area and I presume there was a synaogogue
close by which is no longer there. How do I find out where the synagogues
were in the 1880s and where will I find the records?

You could try writing to The Hon. Secretary, Sheffield Jewish
Congregation and Centre, Wilson Road, Sheffield S11 8RN [note that the
space is part of the zipcode!], United Kingdom.

They may hold archives preserved >from earlier synagogues , and if you can
give them some of the names and the name of the district where these people
lived they might even be able to look them up for you.

Judith Romney Wegner
jrw@brown.edu