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Success of a Small Study Group #general

Reeva Kimble <rKimble@...>
 

Small informal Jewish genealogy study groups in obscure communities DO make
a difference!!!

At the second meeting of the Eugene Oregon Jewish Genealogy Study Group, a
non-computer literate researcher came to her first genealogy group meeting,
looking for some thread of direction leading to anything related to her
family. She and her family had left Poland for Israel in the 1930s and had
come to the US in the late 1940s. Our group offered her lots of research
suggestions.

Towards the end of the general discussion, an experienced member of our
group (Renee) took her to the computer and to Jewishgen. Within a short
time she had a map showing the shtetl in Poland where she was born
(Stanislawow, also know as Ivan Frankovsk near Lvov), portions of the
Yizkor book >from that shtetl which included the names of her parents in the
index. She found other people with ancestors >from the town and E-mail
addresses for contacts.

Her excitement and joy were beyond measure. We all felt as if we too had
just discovered a family connection.

Thank you JJS and JewishGen for your inspiration and support.

Reeva Kimble
Renee Gottesman
Eugene, Oregon


Schaulen shtetls #general

Vivian Salama <salassoc@...>
 

I only know that my grandfather was born in Schaulen in 1856. This was
passed on to me by my mother...I have no documents proving this. He moved
to Berlin where he died. The death certificate says nothing about where he
was born or who his parents were.

Were there specific shtetls that were part of Schaulen or would I assume
that he born directly in Schaulen? Is it possible to get any records of
this period by writing to the Lithuanina authorities?

Vivian Brieger Salama
Hillsborough, CA

Searching: SCHELANSKY (Schaulen), BRIEGER (Breslau, Glatz), SALZMANN
(Ostrowo), STORCHNEST (Ostrowo)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Success of a Small Study Group #general

Reeva Kimble <rKimble@...>
 

Small informal Jewish genealogy study groups in obscure communities DO make
a difference!!!

At the second meeting of the Eugene Oregon Jewish Genealogy Study Group, a
non-computer literate researcher came to her first genealogy group meeting,
looking for some thread of direction leading to anything related to her
family. She and her family had left Poland for Israel in the 1930s and had
come to the US in the late 1940s. Our group offered her lots of research
suggestions.

Towards the end of the general discussion, an experienced member of our
group (Renee) took her to the computer and to Jewishgen. Within a short
time she had a map showing the shtetl in Poland where she was born
(Stanislawow, also know as Ivan Frankovsk near Lvov), portions of the
Yizkor book >from that shtetl which included the names of her parents in the
index. She found other people with ancestors >from the town and E-mail
addresses for contacts.

Her excitement and joy were beyond measure. We all felt as if we too had
just discovered a family connection.

Thank you JJS and JewishGen for your inspiration and support.

Reeva Kimble
Renee Gottesman
Eugene, Oregon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Schaulen shtetls #general

Vivian Salama <salassoc@...>
 

I only know that my grandfather was born in Schaulen in 1856. This was
passed on to me by my mother...I have no documents proving this. He moved
to Berlin where he died. The death certificate says nothing about where he
was born or who his parents were.

Were there specific shtetls that were part of Schaulen or would I assume
that he born directly in Schaulen? Is it possible to get any records of
this period by writing to the Lithuanina authorities?

Vivian Brieger Salama
Hillsborough, CA

Searching: SCHELANSKY (Schaulen), BRIEGER (Breslau, Glatz), SALZMANN
(Ostrowo), STORCHNEST (Ostrowo)


Re: Mother's Name on Gravestone #general

Judith27
 

Steve Stein < Steinsteve@aol.com> mentioned he had received transcriptions
of matzevot in Romania that recited "the mothers' names on the gravestone - in
the form
"V'Shaim Imo _____ " = "and his mother's name was ______ ."

I have seen at least one gravestone in the US that states at the bottom,
on the very last line of an all Hebrew matzeva, "Shem Ima Gitel A'H" or "The
name of her mother was Gitel, A"H."
The more memorial tombstones and footstones and headstones I see, the more
I realize there definitely is more than one style to the wording of the Hebrew
inscriptions or the English epitaphs on a matzeva. What goes on the gravestone
may well depend on what one is used to having on the tombstone, what is
customarily done in a locality ~ as well as what one emotionally feels the
need to place there for all eternity to see and read.
Shalom,
Judith Shulamith Langer-Surnamer Caplan, Long Beach, NY
<Judith27@aol.com>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen RE: Mother's Name on Gravestone #general

Judith27
 

Steve Stein < Steinsteve@aol.com> mentioned he had received transcriptions
of matzevot in Romania that recited "the mothers' names on the gravestone - in
the form
"V'Shaim Imo _____ " = "and his mother's name was ______ ."

I have seen at least one gravestone in the US that states at the bottom,
on the very last line of an all Hebrew matzeva, "Shem Ima Gitel A'H" or "The
name of her mother was Gitel, A"H."
The more memorial tombstones and footstones and headstones I see, the more
I realize there definitely is more than one style to the wording of the Hebrew
inscriptions or the English epitaphs on a matzeva. What goes on the gravestone
may well depend on what one is used to having on the tombstone, what is
customarily done in a locality ~ as well as what one emotionally feels the
need to place there for all eternity to see and read.
Shalom,
Judith Shulamith Langer-Surnamer Caplan, Long Beach, NY
<Judith27@aol.com>


Transylvania Jews #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

Has anyone visited Transylvania especially Craciunesti? Are there Jewish
landmarks and is a community living there now?
Thank you. Alexandra Vozick Hans


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Transylvania Jews #general

Alexandra Vozick Hans <vozick@...>
 

Has anyone visited Transylvania especially Craciunesti? Are there Jewish
landmarks and is a community living there now?
Thank you. Alexandra Vozick Hans


Grodno archive #belarus

East European Jewish Heritage Project <root@...>
 

17 November 1998

There seems to be some sort of misunderstanding if not
disinformation. It is possible to do research in the Grodno
Archives. We had a researcher in there last week. He complained
that it was over-crowded. It was mid-term and the place was full
of students doing research.

Foreigners have trouble getting into Belarussian Archives. The
authorities prefer to do the research themselves and charge for
it. That happens in other archives in other countries as well.
Qualified researchers and approved organizations have no trouble
with access. I don't know where all this is coming from.

But I expect I'll find out with the incoming mail.

Best regards,
Frank Swartz
Executive Director
East European Jewish Heritage Project
13b Dauman Street
Minsk
220002
Republic of Belarus
tel/fax: +375 17 234 56 12/234 33 60
e-mail: root@eejhp.open.by


Belarus SIG #Belarus Grodno archive #belarus

East European Jewish Heritage Project <root@...>
 

17 November 1998

There seems to be some sort of misunderstanding if not
disinformation. It is possible to do research in the Grodno
Archives. We had a researcher in there last week. He complained
that it was over-crowded. It was mid-term and the place was full
of students doing research.

Foreigners have trouble getting into Belarussian Archives. The
authorities prefer to do the research themselves and charge for
it. That happens in other archives in other countries as well.
Qualified researchers and approved organizations have no trouble
with access. I don't know where all this is coming from.

But I expect I'll find out with the incoming mail.

Best regards,
Frank Swartz
Executive Director
East European Jewish Heritage Project
13b Dauman Street
Minsk
220002
Republic of Belarus
tel/fax: +375 17 234 56 12/234 33 60
e-mail: root@eejhp.open.by


Re: AVRACH: origin of name? #general

michael slifkin <slifkin@...>
 

Another possiblity is that it comes >from the Hebrew word which means a young man
learning in yeshivah or newly-wed.
Michael Slifkin

Professor M A Slifkin
Director of Research
Jerusalem College of Technology


Grslt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/10/98 5:59:31 AM, incomparable@juno.com wrote:
I am looking for the origin (derivation & meaning) of the surname AVRACH.
I checked a number of surname dictionaries, both Jewish and general, at
some local libraries, and have had no luck. Does anyone have some
information on this name?
Thanks. Barbara Niederhoff
Dear Barbara,
According to KAGANOFF's "A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History"
(p. 130), "AVRECH, AVERICK, AFRICK - The word avrekh appears as a tribute
to Joseph (Genesis 41:43). A rabbinic interpretation reads the word as an
acronym for av behokhmah rakh beshanim, 'old in wisdom and tender in
years.' Perhaps this name was assumed by a person called Joseph in
reference to his Biblical namesake."

Regards, Lisa THALER (Chicago) grslt@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: AVRACH: origin of name? #general

michael slifkin <slifkin@...>
 

Another possiblity is that it comes >from the Hebrew word which means a young man
learning in yeshivah or newly-wed.
Michael Slifkin

Professor M A Slifkin
Director of Research
Jerusalem College of Technology


Grslt@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 11/10/98 5:59:31 AM, incomparable@juno.com wrote:
I am looking for the origin (derivation & meaning) of the surname AVRACH.
I checked a number of surname dictionaries, both Jewish and general, at
some local libraries, and have had no luck. Does anyone have some
information on this name?
Thanks. Barbara Niederhoff
Dear Barbara,
According to KAGANOFF's "A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History"
(p. 130), "AVRECH, AVERICK, AFRICK - The word avrekh appears as a tribute
to Joseph (Genesis 41:43). A rabbinic interpretation reads the word as an
acronym for av behokhmah rakh beshanim, 'old in wisdom and tender in
years.' Perhaps this name was assumed by a person called Joseph in
reference to his Biblical namesake."

Regards, Lisa THALER (Chicago) grslt@aol.com


Re: Unusual woman's name #general

Judith27
 

Steve Stein <Steinsteve@aol.com>
was asking about about a woman's name on a gravestone " spelled
Ayin-Yod-Lamed-Yod-Kuf-Aleph"

Possibly this is a form of the name Elka or Ilka. In Rabbi Gorr's book,
JEWISH PERSONAL NAMES, both Ayin and Alef are shown as being used to start this
name.

Shalom,
Judith Shulamith Langer-Surnamer Caplan, Long Beach, NY
(Judith27@aol.com)

Researching: APPELBAUM, BALINKY, BERNHARDT, BOCHUR, FLIEGEL, KUFELD, LANGER,
LEPAR, NACHUMOVITZ, RODITI, SHAMIS, SURNAMER, WEBER


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Unusual woman's name #general

Judith27
 

Steve Stein <Steinsteve@aol.com>
was asking about about a woman's name on a gravestone " spelled
Ayin-Yod-Lamed-Yod-Kuf-Aleph"

Possibly this is a form of the name Elka or Ilka. In Rabbi Gorr's book,
JEWISH PERSONAL NAMES, both Ayin and Alef are shown as being used to start this
name.

Shalom,
Judith Shulamith Langer-Surnamer Caplan, Long Beach, NY
(Judith27@aol.com)

Researching: APPELBAUM, BALINKY, BERNHARDT, BOCHUR, FLIEGEL, KUFELD, LANGER,
LEPAR, NACHUMOVITZ, RODITI, SHAMIS, SURNAMER, WEBER


PUTZEL, JACOBS of Philadelphia ~mid-1800s onward #general

Gabor Zsolnay <gmz262@...>
 

A longshot for another one of my cousins who knows nothing about his
grandmother's side of the family: Does anyone have the following PUTZEL
and JACOBS on their tree?

Mary(Rose?) PUTZEL born probably in the 1830s is ?, married Rossa JACOBS.
They lived in Philadelphia in the 1860s and had a daughter, Sadie JACOBS
who married Nathan RUBEL of Chicago.

PUTZEL is an unusual name, so maybe someone has it on their tree and a
connection can be made. (There may have been a Lola PUTZEL in Milwaukee in
the 1940s--either a cousin or wife of a cousin.)


Any leads? Please respond to me: Carol Adler Zsolnay at gmz262@nwu.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PUTZEL, JACOBS of Philadelphia ~mid-1800s onward #general

Gabor Zsolnay <gmz262@...>
 

A longshot for another one of my cousins who knows nothing about his
grandmother's side of the family: Does anyone have the following PUTZEL
and JACOBS on their tree?

Mary(Rose?) PUTZEL born probably in the 1830s is ?, married Rossa JACOBS.
They lived in Philadelphia in the 1860s and had a daughter, Sadie JACOBS
who married Nathan RUBEL of Chicago.

PUTZEL is an unusual name, so maybe someone has it on their tree and a
connection can be made. (There may have been a Lola PUTZEL in Milwaukee in
the 1940s--either a cousin or wife of a cousin.)


Any leads? Please respond to me: Carol Adler Zsolnay at gmz262@nwu.edu


Re: Stonegrave...words #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-11-17 06:54:13 EST, shimonoz@netvision.net.il writes:

<< Can any one explain the meaning of three words I saw
on my Gfather grave.(Hebrew letters).
beth-shin-teth...mem-he-ayin...caph-he-lamed.
Shimon Ouziel

==I assume you've exhausted the obvious sources in your family and among your
acquaintances in Israel, and the Hebrew dictionary of abbreviations

You don't mention your gfather's name, occupation etc. I assume >from your
name he was Sefardi; there are obviously many differences in styles and
inscriptions between Sfardim and Ashkenazim, and I assume Yiddish meanings can
be ruled out.

Bet-shin-tet could be abbreviations for Ba`al Shem Tov (Man of high
reputation, or Kabbalist with knowledge of the Divine name), or Besha`a Tova
(at a fortuitous time--ot sa likely incription on a tombstone unless he was
really old).

Kaph-he-lamed. First two letters suggest Kavod he . . . "The honored . . . I
can't think what the lamed stands for.

Michael Bernet, New York


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Stonegrave...words #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-11-17 06:54:13 EST, shimonoz@netvision.net.il writes:

<< Can any one explain the meaning of three words I saw
on my Gfather grave.(Hebrew letters).
beth-shin-teth...mem-he-ayin...caph-he-lamed.
Shimon Ouziel

==I assume you've exhausted the obvious sources in your family and among your
acquaintances in Israel, and the Hebrew dictionary of abbreviations

You don't mention your gfather's name, occupation etc. I assume >from your
name he was Sefardi; there are obviously many differences in styles and
inscriptions between Sfardim and Ashkenazim, and I assume Yiddish meanings can
be ruled out.

Bet-shin-tet could be abbreviations for Ba`al Shem Tov (Man of high
reputation, or Kabbalist with knowledge of the Divine name), or Besha`a Tova
(at a fortuitous time--ot sa likely incription on a tombstone unless he was
really old).

Kaph-he-lamed. First two letters suggest Kavod he . . . "The honored . . . I
can't think what the lamed stands for.

Michael Bernet, New York


Re: Shtetl Names #belarus

A. S. Cohen <ascohen@...>
 

Thanks for this information. There seems to be a consensus that there are
about 14 names for this shtetl, one of which is Shtapes and another of
which is Stolbtsy.

Allan S. Cohen
University of Wisconsin
Testing & Evaluation Services ascohen@facstaff.wisc.edu
1025 W. Johnson, #366 Phone: (608) 262-0419
Madison, WI 53706 FAX: (608) 263-4291


Re: Mother's name on headstones #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-11-17 06:55:18 EST, you write:

<< I just received transcriptions of my great-great-grandfather's gravestone
in
Romania. He died in the late 1900's. His son, my great-great-uncle, died some
years later. Both of them have mothers' names on the gravestone - in the form
"V'Shaim Imo _____ " = "and his mother's name was ______ ". I have never seen
a reference to this in this group. Has anyone else encountered this,
particularly in Europe?
>>
==Haven't come across such a phrase except occasionally in the Torah (and I'm
not even positive about that). But then, since he died in the late 1900's
(sic) this could be a VERY recent innovation. You appear to be blessed with a
VERY long-living ancestry to have had your ggf alive until so recently <g>.

==Or was there a typo?


Michael Bernet

seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET, BERNERTH etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF: Frankfurt (Aron Wolf m. Babette Goldschmidt ca 1855) also in Wurzburg,
also Sali WOLF, Rotterdam