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PERLMAN, PORTNOY, PALMER, DUBINSKY #general

David Shapiro <dshapiro@...>
 

I have recently learned >from relatives that my great grandfather David
PERLMAN had a brother. This brother had two children. One was named Benny
PERLMAN and changed it later to PALMER. He was a teacher in a NYC high school.

Benny's mother, Sarah, remarried a *Yiddish actor* named David DUBINSKY.
This probably would have been in the 1920's or '30's.

When David PERLMAN arrived in NYC in Sept. 1900 he was listed in the
passenger list as PORTNOY. When he applied for naturalization in 1905 he
was called PERLMAN. According to the family, he changed the name legally
because his brother's name had been accidentally changed during immigration
procedings.

According to the passenger list, the family was originally >from Pinsk,
although I had previously heard that they were >from Minsk. Before coming to
the U.S. David and his wife Sophie (Sarah Soshia) nee LIEBERMAN lived in Kiev.

Can anyone give any suggestions on how to trace this further. (Or recognize
any of these people, perhaps David DUBINSKY or any children he may have had).

David Shapiro
Jeusalem
dshapiro@actcom.co.il


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen PERLMAN, PORTNOY, PALMER, DUBINSKY #general

David Shapiro <dshapiro@...>
 

I have recently learned >from relatives that my great grandfather David
PERLMAN had a brother. This brother had two children. One was named Benny
PERLMAN and changed it later to PALMER. He was a teacher in a NYC high school.

Benny's mother, Sarah, remarried a *Yiddish actor* named David DUBINSKY.
This probably would have been in the 1920's or '30's.

When David PERLMAN arrived in NYC in Sept. 1900 he was listed in the
passenger list as PORTNOY. When he applied for naturalization in 1905 he
was called PERLMAN. According to the family, he changed the name legally
because his brother's name had been accidentally changed during immigration
procedings.

According to the passenger list, the family was originally >from Pinsk,
although I had previously heard that they were >from Minsk. Before coming to
the U.S. David and his wife Sophie (Sarah Soshia) nee LIEBERMAN lived in Kiev.

Can anyone give any suggestions on how to trace this further. (Or recognize
any of these people, perhaps David DUBINSKY or any children he may have had).

David Shapiro
Jeusalem
dshapiro@actcom.co.il


Searching: JOEL, UK, early 1900's #general

Sally Wallace <sallyw@...>
 

My name is Sally Ann Wallace (nee Sassienie) My parents were Samuel and
Rachel Sassienie (nee Joel) I am trying to trace the family of my mother
Rachel Joel. She was one of four sisters Sadie, Rachel, Kate and Sophie.
She was born in 1903/1904 ( I am trying to trace her birth certificate at
present in the UK) She always celebrated her birthday on December 14. I
have no further information except that Sadie married a Theo De Jong, Sophie
never married and Kate married a Walter Wolfe. The birth certificate that I
have located of a Rachel Joel gives a January 1 1904 birthdate and her
parents as being Samuel and Sarah Joel. I am now investigating my aunts to
see if their birth certificates show the same parents, however I do not know
exact birth details. Anyone having any information which might help please
contact me. I have a half brother Neville Sassienie (we share the same
father ). My mother, father and all my aunts are dead and they none had
children.

Many thanks.

Sally Ann Wallace


New book on Eishiskok #lithuania

ELGOLD1@...
 

For those that have not seen it, I highly recommend the new book by Yaffa
Eliach, "There Once was a World: A 900-year Chronicle of the Shtetl
Eishyshok." Eliach was the creator of the impressive photo exhibition on
Eishyshok at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. The book is a
kind of yizkor book but more professional than the traditional genre. It is
available in many bookstores, and there is a special $40 price until 12/31.
It's $50 thereafter.
Eric Goldstein
ELGOLD1@aol.com


against ben and bat #lithuania

ELGOLD1@...
 

I agree with the idea of not adding any terms to the database that are not in
the records themselves. If a spouse is listed as Leah Yankelovna, why not list
her that way on the database rather than Leah bat Yankel? Or as Haim Freedman
says, create a separate field for spouses' father.
Eric Goldstein


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: JOEL, UK, early 1900's #general

Sally Wallace <sallyw@...>
 

My name is Sally Ann Wallace (nee Sassienie) My parents were Samuel and
Rachel Sassienie (nee Joel) I am trying to trace the family of my mother
Rachel Joel. She was one of four sisters Sadie, Rachel, Kate and Sophie.
She was born in 1903/1904 ( I am trying to trace her birth certificate at
present in the UK) She always celebrated her birthday on December 14. I
have no further information except that Sadie married a Theo De Jong, Sophie
never married and Kate married a Walter Wolfe. The birth certificate that I
have located of a Rachel Joel gives a January 1 1904 birthdate and her
parents as being Samuel and Sarah Joel. I am now investigating my aunts to
see if their birth certificates show the same parents, however I do not know
exact birth details. Anyone having any information which might help please
contact me. I have a half brother Neville Sassienie (we share the same
father ). My mother, father and all my aunts are dead and they none had
children.

Many thanks.

Sally Ann Wallace


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania New book on Eishiskok #lithuania

ELGOLD1@...
 

For those that have not seen it, I highly recommend the new book by Yaffa
Eliach, "There Once was a World: A 900-year Chronicle of the Shtetl
Eishyshok." Eliach was the creator of the impressive photo exhibition on
Eishyshok at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington. The book is a
kind of yizkor book but more professional than the traditional genre. It is
available in many bookstores, and there is a special $40 price until 12/31.
It's $50 thereafter.
Eric Goldstein
ELGOLD1@aol.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania against ben and bat #lithuania

ELGOLD1@...
 

I agree with the idea of not adding any terms to the database that are not in
the records themselves. If a spouse is listed as Leah Yankelovna, why not list
her that way on the database rather than Leah bat Yankel? Or as Haim Freedman
says, create a separate field for spouses' father.
Eric Goldstein


addition of ben, bas, bat #lithuania

BEColvin@...
 

I am not a practicing Jew and there may be many in this category contributing
to and reading this digest. I am speaking only for myself when I say :
1) I would not edit what you share with your researchers for the sake of
integrity
2) ben, bas, bat will have to be defined for others or it will add confusion
not clarify
3) why didn't the original researchers use ben, bas or bat? Could it be
because they couldn't do it with certainty?
Beth in Florida


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania addition of ben, bas, bat #lithuania

BEColvin@...
 

I am not a practicing Jew and there may be many in this category contributing
to and reading this digest. I am speaking only for myself when I say :
1) I would not edit what you share with your researchers for the sake of
integrity
2) ben, bas, bat will have to be defined for others or it will add confusion
not clarify
3) why didn't the original researchers use ben, bas or bat? Could it be
because they couldn't do it with certainty?
Beth in Florida


Re: Database issue of Ben/Bat etc #lithuania

Anita Berk <anitab@...>
 

This is a great suggestion! Thank you!

Anita Berk

The Danish Emigrants Database has an excellent solution to the topic of
"clarifying" original records. They have entered the data into a searchable
database with several fields - but have also scanned in the original
documents. So when you find the name you are searching for, you can click on
the name and thus be able to view or download the scanned documents. This
method satisfies both those wanting to see "unclarified" original sources
and those content with "clarified" database fields.

I don't know what the technical limits of the All-Lithuanian database are to
support this, but suggest you consider the idea at least.

Regards
Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@swipnet.se


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Re: Database issue of Ben/Bat etc #lithuania

Anita Berk <anitab@...>
 

This is a great suggestion! Thank you!

Anita Berk

The Danish Emigrants Database has an excellent solution to the topic of
"clarifying" original records. They have entered the data into a searchable
database with several fields - but have also scanned in the original
documents. So when you find the name you are searching for, you can click on
the name and thus be able to view or download the scanned documents. This
method satisfies both those wanting to see "unclarified" original sources
and those content with "clarified" database fields.

I don't know what the technical limits of the All-Lithuanian database are to
support this, but suggest you consider the idea at least.

Regards
Joel Jakobson
Stockholm, Sweden
j.j@swipnet.se


Re: The Pale of Settlement #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

Was Smolensk within the Pale?

Ken Cohen
According to this Russian Jewry website, Smolensk wasn't within the
Pale. Please refer to the Pale map below:

http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/eng_captions/29-9.html

Alexander Sharon


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: The Pale of Settlement #general

Alexander Sharon <sharon@...>
 

Was Smolensk within the Pale?

Ken Cohen
According to this Russian Jewry website, Smolensk wasn't within the
Pale. Please refer to the Pale map below:

http://www.friends-partners.org/partners/beyond-the-pale/eng_captions/29-9.html

Alexander Sharon


Searching BLUMENTHAL, ISSACSON, HERZBERG #general

Stanbloom@...
 

BLUMENTHAL, ISSACSON, HERZBERG families >from Jaunjelgava (Freidrichstadt), Latvia >from middle 1800's through early
1900's. Would appreciate any information.
Thank you

Stanley S. Bloom
Longwood, Florida
stanbloom@aol.com


Historical Maps #lithuania

DBH12345@...
 

For those of you who haven't been to this website
<http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/historical/baltics.html=

from the Perry-Castaneda Library Map Collection at The University of Texas
at Austin, take a look. It presents maps of "the Baltic Lands 1000 AD to 1800 AD."

We are gathering a variety of historical and detailed modern maps of
Lithuania, as well as town maps to put on our LitvakSIG website. We'd
appreciate anyone having any suggestions, or copies of maps to send them
to our new Webpage Manager, Trevor Tucker at <trevor.tucker@platinum.co.uk>

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching BLUMENTHAL, ISSACSON, HERZBERG #general

Stanbloom@...
 

BLUMENTHAL, ISSACSON, HERZBERG families >from Jaunjelgava (Freidrichstadt), Latvia >from middle 1800's through early
1900's. Would appreciate any information.
Thank you

Stanley S. Bloom
Longwood, Florida
stanbloom@aol.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania Historical Maps #lithuania

DBH12345@...
 

For those of you who haven't been to this website
<http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/historical/baltics.html=

from the Perry-Castaneda Library Map Collection at The University of Texas
at Austin, take a look. It presents maps of "the Baltic Lands 1000 AD to 1800 AD."

We are gathering a variety of historical and detailed modern maps of
Lithuania, as well as town maps to put on our LitvakSIG website. We'd
appreciate anyone having any suggestions, or copies of maps to send them
to our new Webpage Manager, Trevor Tucker at <trevor.tucker@platinum.co.uk>

David Hoffman
Co-Coordinator, LitvakSIG


Searching: Dina KAYE/Danny KAYE #general

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

Does anyone know how to contact Dina Kaye the daughter of the actor Danny
Kaye and his songwriter wife, Sylvia Fine?

I think that her grandmother or great-grandmother may have been Bella
Halprin (born Kravitz/Kravetz) of Warsaw, Poland. Bella was the sister of
my own great-grandfather, Philip Kravitz, who emigrated >from Sislewitz in
Poland/Russia (now Belarus) to England in 1891. I have traced all Philip's
descendants, thru seven generations and his father and grandfather were,
respectively, Abraham and Emmanuel. Emmannuel must have been born pre-1800.

I am now trying to expand sideways to the rest of Abraham's children.

David Kravitz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Dina KAYE/Danny KAYE #general

David Kravitz <dkravitz@...>
 

Does anyone know how to contact Dina Kaye the daughter of the actor Danny
Kaye and his songwriter wife, Sylvia Fine?

I think that her grandmother or great-grandmother may have been Bella
Halprin (born Kravitz/Kravetz) of Warsaw, Poland. Bella was the sister of
my own great-grandfather, Philip Kravitz, who emigrated >from Sislewitz in
Poland/Russia (now Belarus) to England in 1891. I have traced all Philip's
descendants, thru seven generations and his father and grandfather were,
respectively, Abraham and Emmanuel. Emmannuel must have been born pre-1800.

I am now trying to expand sideways to the rest of Abraham's children.

David Kravitz