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Re: what kind of name for a nice jewish.. #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

p2o5rock@netvision.net.il (IsraelP) writes:

What is the derivation of the female name Eige?
And is there a particular affinity of the male name
Fischel for a preceding Ephraim or Yeroham, or does
it just seem that way to me?
Kaganoff's "A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History"
has answers to both of these queries. He indicates that
Eige is an abbreviation of Feige, an old German word for "violet".
He says that the word has been incorrectly associated with the
Yiddish "bird".

Kaganoff also indicates that many people whose first name was
Ephraim used the kinnui (nickname) Fischel as a family name because
in the Bible Jacob told Ephraim that his seed would multiply as
the fish in the sea (Genesis 48:16).

Elsewhere in the book, Kaganoff says that in Hosea 14:4 there is the
phrase "for in Thee, the orphan finds mercy (yeruham)". As a result,
an orphan would often be given the religious name of Yeruham and the
kinnui Fischel (as a form of Vivs, "life").

Nathan Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

Researching: REISS, STRAUS, BAUM, GOLDSCHMIDT, LILIENSTEIN, GRIESHEIM,
EDELMUTH, MAYERFELD, LIPPMANN, MAY, METZGER all >from Hesse, Germany;

GOLDBLUM, FREYLICH, MELLER >from Olkusz, Russo-Poland;

KRIEGER >from Oswiecim (Auschwitz), Austro-Poland.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: what kind of name for a nice jewish.. #general

Nathan Reiss <reiss@...>
 

p2o5rock@netvision.net.il (IsraelP) writes:

What is the derivation of the female name Eige?
And is there a particular affinity of the male name
Fischel for a preceding Ephraim or Yeroham, or does
it just seem that way to me?
Kaganoff's "A Dictionary of Jewish Names and their History"
has answers to both of these queries. He indicates that
Eige is an abbreviation of Feige, an old German word for "violet".
He says that the word has been incorrectly associated with the
Yiddish "bird".

Kaganoff also indicates that many people whose first name was
Ephraim used the kinnui (nickname) Fischel as a family name because
in the Bible Jacob told Ephraim that his seed would multiply as
the fish in the sea (Genesis 48:16).

Elsewhere in the book, Kaganoff says that in Hosea 14:4 there is the
phrase "for in Thee, the orphan finds mercy (yeruham)". As a result,
an orphan would often be given the religious name of Yeruham and the
kinnui Fischel (as a form of Vivs, "life").

Nathan Reiss
reiss@rci.rutgers.edu

Researching: REISS, STRAUS, BAUM, GOLDSCHMIDT, LILIENSTEIN, GRIESHEIM,
EDELMUTH, MAYERFELD, LIPPMANN, MAY, METZGER all >from Hesse, Germany;

GOLDBLUM, FREYLICH, MELLER >from Olkusz, Russo-Poland;

KRIEGER >from Oswiecim (Auschwitz), Austro-Poland.


The e-mail of Anton Valdine- Russia? #general

AGJA <armony@...>
 

Dear friends:
I am writing in behalf of Marcelo Kisnerman, a member of our Society
He needs to contact urgently Mr. Anton Valdine in Moscow, Russia
The registered e-mail by Anton Valdine is
geneal@glasnet.ru
But Valdin didnt answer any message, perhaps the e.mail is not more valid?
Do you know other e-mail? or some other intitution linked with Mr Valdin in
Moscow or Russia? Is he currently in activity?
Some one had contact with him in last months?
Please reply with any comment or information.
Also if you know about other investigator in Russia.
Thanks and regards
Paul Armony
Argentine Jewish Genealogical Society


Searching: child from Warsaw Ghetto #general

Paweł Tomaszewski <petomasz@...>
 

I am searching a man about 65 years old who, as a child, in the period
1940-1943, periodicaly passed >from Ghetto in Warsaw to the Technical
University (Politechnika Warszawska) for taking the money >from prof. Jan
Czochralski.
I will be grateful for any information about such aid to Ghetto and for
contact with the men or his relatives.

Pawel Tomaszewski
Wroclaw, Poland
e-mail: petomasz@int.pan.wroc.pl


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen The e-mail of Anton Valdine- Russia? #general

AGJA <armony@...>
 

Dear friends:
I am writing in behalf of Marcelo Kisnerman, a member of our Society
He needs to contact urgently Mr. Anton Valdine in Moscow, Russia
The registered e-mail by Anton Valdine is
geneal@glasnet.ru
But Valdin didnt answer any message, perhaps the e.mail is not more valid?
Do you know other e-mail? or some other intitution linked with Mr Valdin in
Moscow or Russia? Is he currently in activity?
Some one had contact with him in last months?
Please reply with any comment or information.
Also if you know about other investigator in Russia.
Thanks and regards
Paul Armony
Argentine Jewish Genealogical Society


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: child from Warsaw Ghetto #general

Paweł Tomaszewski <petomasz@...>
 

I am searching a man about 65 years old who, as a child, in the period
1940-1943, periodicaly passed >from Ghetto in Warsaw to the Technical
University (Politechnika Warszawska) for taking the money >from prof. Jan
Czochralski.
I will be grateful for any information about such aid to Ghetto and for
contact with the men or his relatives.

Pawel Tomaszewski
Wroclaw, Poland
e-mail: petomasz@int.pan.wroc.pl


Searching: HAASE, Berlin, Germany, before 1915 #general

Paweł Tomaszewski <petomasz@...>
 

I am seeking any information about the HAASE family >from Berlin, Germany.
Is it >from Holland in origine ?? I know only one: Marguerite HAASE,
student, married in Koepenick (now in Berlin) in 1910.

Best regards

Pawel Tomaszewski
Wroclaw, Poland


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: HAASE, Berlin, Germany, before 1915 #general

Paweł Tomaszewski <petomasz@...>
 

I am seeking any information about the HAASE family >from Berlin, Germany.
Is it >from Holland in origine ?? I know only one: Marguerite HAASE,
student, married in Koepenick (now in Berlin) in 1910.

Best regards

Pawel Tomaszewski
Wroclaw, Poland


JGSPBC meeting notice #general

Curiousyl@...
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County, Inc.
will be held :

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1998
1 P.M. - 4 P.M.
South County Civic Center
16700 Jog Road
Delray Beach, FL.

Guest lecturer for the afternoon : Professor Hal S. Maggied, speaking on
Yizkor [Memorial] Books, a valuable genealogical research source for
information on Jewish communities in Eastern and Central Europe

Following the program, Special Interest Groups [SIGs] will be announced and
apportioned for discussion in their specific areas.

Members are invited to bring guests.

For additional information, contact:
Co-Presidents: Al Leeds 496-3354 - albleeds@aol.com
Sylvia Nusinov 483-1060 - curiousyl@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen JGSPBC meeting notice #general

Curiousyl@...
 

The next meeting of the Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Beach County, Inc.
will be held :

TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 10, 1998
1 P.M. - 4 P.M.
South County Civic Center
16700 Jog Road
Delray Beach, FL.

Guest lecturer for the afternoon : Professor Hal S. Maggied, speaking on
Yizkor [Memorial] Books, a valuable genealogical research source for
information on Jewish communities in Eastern and Central Europe

Following the program, Special Interest Groups [SIGs] will be announced and
apportioned for discussion in their specific areas.

Members are invited to bring guests.

For additional information, contact:
Co-Presidents: Al Leeds 496-3354 - albleeds@aol.com
Sylvia Nusinov 483-1060 - curiousyl@aol.com


Migration from the Russian Empire #general

Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
 

Bay Area researchers:

I just got a call >from the Santa Clara (Quince Rd) FHC. They should have
vol.5&6 of Migration >from the Russian Empire in by the end of November.

If anyone needs lookups, let me know: corin@concentric.net

//Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV -- Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH -- Orsha (Mogilev), Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Rhode Island
BRAUN -- Hungary; NYC ...WEISS -- Hungary; NYC; Middlesex, NJ
DU BOFF/MISTROFF -- Gorodische (Baronovich), Belarus; NYC & Long Island
KANEFSKY and RIVKIN -- Elizabetgrod, Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR -- Amsterdam ...VAN SANTEN -- Amsterdam; NYC


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Migration from the Russian Empire #general

Corin Goodwin <corin@...>
 

Bay Area researchers:

I just got a call >from the Santa Clara (Quince Rd) FHC. They should have
vol.5&6 of Migration >from the Russian Empire in by the end of November.

If anyone needs lookups, let me know: corin@concentric.net

//Corin Barsily Goodwin
Cupertino, CA USA

BARSILA/BARZILY/BARZILOV -- Russia; Scotland; NYC
BASOK/BARSACH -- Orsha (Mogilev), Belarus; Scotland; NYC; Rhode Island
BRAUN -- Hungary; NYC ...WEISS -- Hungary; NYC; Middlesex, NJ
DU BOFF/MISTROFF -- Gorodische (Baronovich), Belarus; NYC & Long Island
KANEFSKY and RIVKIN -- Elizabetgrod, Ukraine; NYC
SIGAAR -- Amsterdam ...VAN SANTEN -- Amsterdam; NYC


Re: Hodick, Lenson, Ochakowsky and Kampel #latinamerica

M&M <info@...>
 

Hi,

I'm looking for referencies to relatives connected to my ggf/ggm, originally
from Bessarabia / Bendere. The known surnames are HODICK, LENSON AND
OCHAKOWSKY.

I'm also researching about KAMPEL. I'll appreciate referencies to KAMPEL,
Schmuel (Pizityker?) Kampel, B1850 aprox, >from Poland (Slupia Nowa).

Mario Kampel
mario@kampel.com
http://www.kampel.com


Latin America #LatinAmerica Re: Hodick, Lenson, Ochakowsky and Kampel #latinamerica

M&M <info@...>
 

Hi,

I'm looking for referencies to relatives connected to my ggf/ggm, originally
from Bessarabia / Bendere. The known surnames are HODICK, LENSON AND
OCHAKOWSKY.

I'm also researching about KAMPEL. I'll appreciate referencies to KAMPEL,
Schmuel (Pizityker?) Kampel, B1850 aprox, >from Poland (Slupia Nowa).

Mario Kampel
mario@kampel.com
http://www.kampel.com


Sandy Bursten <sandybee@...>
 

My CHERNICOFF cousins who emigrated >from Russia to Argentina also took
names common in South America. My great-uncle Yankel became Jacobo, and
his wife Breine became Berta. Rachmil became Rafael, and Solomon became
Salomon. Perla and Abraham kept their original names. Other Yiddish
names that the children apparently started out with have not been so
easy to figure out. In Russia there was Rivka, Deiba and Henia. In
Argentina the names were Ete and Elisa. If anyone knows what their
names might have been in Yiddish, I'd love to hear it.

In later generations, some of the names are Lluva, Sara, Natalio, Sofia,
Zulema, Paulina, Bernardo, Dora, Saul, Luis, Edita, Fani, Carlos,
Liliana, Alejandro, Dario, Matias -- and the nicknames Pancho, Yaya and
Cacho.

Sandy Bursten, Irvine, CA sandybee@earthlink.net


Latin America #LatinAmerica Names #latinamerica

Sandy Bursten <sandybee@...>
 

My CHERNICOFF cousins who emigrated >from Russia to Argentina also took
names common in South America. My great-uncle Yankel became Jacobo, and
his wife Breine became Berta. Rachmil became Rafael, and Solomon became
Salomon. Perla and Abraham kept their original names. Other Yiddish
names that the children apparently started out with have not been so
easy to figure out. In Russia there was Rivka, Deiba and Henia. In
Argentina the names were Ete and Elisa. If anyone knows what their
names might have been in Yiddish, I'd love to hear it.

In later generations, some of the names are Lluva, Sara, Natalio, Sofia,
Zulema, Paulina, Bernardo, Dora, Saul, Luis, Edita, Fani, Carlos,
Liliana, Alejandro, Dario, Matias -- and the nicknames Pancho, Yaya and
Cacho.

Sandy Bursten, Irvine, CA sandybee@earthlink.net


Passenger and Immigration Lists Indexes #general

marjorie.rosenfeld <marjorie.rosenfeld@...>
 

Warren Blatt has now quite properly corrected me on information, or
misinformation, I supplied to the Digest re the Passenger Immigration
Lists Index volumes I had found in my local library. (See below.)
There were entries in these volumes for variations on the name
"Kovarsky," which was the surname of one of my grandfathers. Entries
spelled "Kovar" sounded hopeful to me also because my grandfather had a
cousin who spelled his surname "Kauvar." In any case, though, thanks
to Warren for supplying better information than I had. I apologize to
anyone I managed to mislead and also to Warren for creating extra work
for him.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld
Carlsbad, CA

Researching: UDELSON (Zemaiciu Naumiestis/Neishtat Sugind, LITHUANIA);
KOVARSKY (Vilnius, LITHUANIA); WEISSER (Vishnevets/Vishniets, UKRAINE),
Stamm (Brody, UKRAINE)


I recently discovered, to my astonishment, that my local library has
Passenger and Immigration List indexes stretching >from the 17th
century
into the 20th century--22 volumes of them, in fact. It appears the
project was done some time ago. Then each year, as more ships'
manifests became available, a supplement to the original volumes came
out.

The indexes are obviously not complete. I looked through all 22
volumes and didn't find even one of my four grandparents, all of whom
immigrated to America in the 19th century. The good thing, though,
is
that these volumes are PROPERLY ALPHABETIZED! So, go to the library
on
a day when your back feels strong enough to handle 22 fairly heavy
volumes and have a look. It's worth a try!

Well, it's really not worth a try. You greatly misunderstand
what these books are. This "project" as you call it is anything
but. It was NOT "done some time ago". Supplemental volumes
are NOT published "as more ships manifests become available".

Filby's "Passenger and Immigration List Index" is simply a
compilation of PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED PASSENGER LISTS. One
(or occassionally two) volumes are produced annually, since
1981. It has nothing to do with "more manifests becoming
available". All that this work does is RE-PRINTS passenger
information WHICH IS ALREADY IN PRINT. There is NO original
research and NO manuscript or archival sources involved.

The "index" encompases less than 1% of all immigrants, and
focuses on immigrants >from the 1600s, 1700, and early
1800s. Yes, there are a handful of entries for the last
1800s and early 1900s, but they're mostly flukes.

The "Mayflower" passengers each appear several dozen times
over, and there are probably z few dozen Jews in the entire
set. If you read the introdction and take a look at the
sources which they're re-printing, you'll understand.

Also, the "good thing" that these volumes are "properly
alphabetized" as you say, is anything but a good thing.
Alphabetizing immigrant arrivals doesn't work. SOUNDEX
indexes are the only useful arrangement for foreign and
immigrant names, since they were never spelled consistently
in the first place.

Nice suggestion... but this series is completely useless
for Jewish genealogists... that's why it's not mentioned
in the JewishGen FAQ. There is no alternate route to
finding your immigrant ancestor's arrival record, other
than those mentioned in the FAQ. There are thousands of
resources for genealogy available -- but 99% of them have
NO value for Jewish genealogy. The JewishGen FAQ describes
only those resources which are worth your time.

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Passenger and Immigration Lists Indexes #general

marjorie.rosenfeld <marjorie.rosenfeld@...>
 

Warren Blatt has now quite properly corrected me on information, or
misinformation, I supplied to the Digest re the Passenger Immigration
Lists Index volumes I had found in my local library. (See below.)
There were entries in these volumes for variations on the name
"Kovarsky," which was the surname of one of my grandfathers. Entries
spelled "Kovar" sounded hopeful to me also because my grandfather had a
cousin who spelled his surname "Kauvar." In any case, though, thanks
to Warren for supplying better information than I had. I apologize to
anyone I managed to mislead and also to Warren for creating extra work
for him.

Marjorie Stamm Rosenfeld
Carlsbad, CA

Researching: UDELSON (Zemaiciu Naumiestis/Neishtat Sugind, LITHUANIA);
KOVARSKY (Vilnius, LITHUANIA); WEISSER (Vishnevets/Vishniets, UKRAINE),
Stamm (Brody, UKRAINE)


I recently discovered, to my astonishment, that my local library has
Passenger and Immigration List indexes stretching >from the 17th
century
into the 20th century--22 volumes of them, in fact. It appears the
project was done some time ago. Then each year, as more ships'
manifests became available, a supplement to the original volumes came
out.

The indexes are obviously not complete. I looked through all 22
volumes and didn't find even one of my four grandparents, all of whom
immigrated to America in the 19th century. The good thing, though,
is
that these volumes are PROPERLY ALPHABETIZED! So, go to the library
on
a day when your back feels strong enough to handle 22 fairly heavy
volumes and have a look. It's worth a try!

Well, it's really not worth a try. You greatly misunderstand
what these books are. This "project" as you call it is anything
but. It was NOT "done some time ago". Supplemental volumes
are NOT published "as more ships manifests become available".

Filby's "Passenger and Immigration List Index" is simply a
compilation of PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED PASSENGER LISTS. One
(or occassionally two) volumes are produced annually, since
1981. It has nothing to do with "more manifests becoming
available". All that this work does is RE-PRINTS passenger
information WHICH IS ALREADY IN PRINT. There is NO original
research and NO manuscript or archival sources involved.

The "index" encompases less than 1% of all immigrants, and
focuses on immigrants >from the 1600s, 1700, and early
1800s. Yes, there are a handful of entries for the last
1800s and early 1900s, but they're mostly flukes.

The "Mayflower" passengers each appear several dozen times
over, and there are probably z few dozen Jews in the entire
set. If you read the introdction and take a look at the
sources which they're re-printing, you'll understand.

Also, the "good thing" that these volumes are "properly
alphabetized" as you say, is anything but a good thing.
Alphabetizing immigrant arrivals doesn't work. SOUNDEX
indexes are the only useful arrangement for foreign and
immigrant names, since they were never spelled consistently
in the first place.

Nice suggestion... but this series is completely useless
for Jewish genealogists... that's why it's not mentioned
in the JewishGen FAQ. There is no alternate route to
finding your immigrant ancestor's arrival record, other
than those mentioned in the FAQ. There are thousands of
resources for genealogy available -- but 99% of them have
NO value for Jewish genealogy. The JewishGen FAQ describes
only those resources which are worth your time.

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA


Budapest City Directories #hungary

Lebn@...
 

I am looking for Budapest City Directories >from the late 1800s to the early
1900s either on fiche or microfilm or the actual books. Does anyone in the
SIG have knowledge as to where to find these. I have tried the Lib. Of
Congress, no luck so far. Thanks.
Eleanor Bien


Message for Lee Goodman #hungary

Paula Spier <pspier@...>
 

Sorry to send this to the whole group. I have Grunwaald
information for Lee Goodman, but the e-mail bounces >from aol "Not
accepting mail".
Paula Spier