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Genealogy of famous people #general

Moshe Wolf <womoshe@...>
 

Hi!
Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).

Can I find this details on the Net?
TIA
Moshe Wolf


Re: Reb, Rav #general

Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
 

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Helen Saltman wrote:


Thanks to all who clarified the distincetion between the title of honor
and the actual designation of Rabbi.

Helen Saltman


Wedding days #general

MBernet@...
 

I hope the moderators will allow this comment to be published, although
officially the thread has been closed. It builds on Judith Wegner's
explanation of why virgins were required to marry before Wednesdays, and gives
useful information for checking out likely marriage dates.

Tuesday is a very popular day for weddings; it has mystical qualities because
in the account of the Creation, Tuesday is the only date on wich Genesis
reports TWICE "and it was good."

In Eastern Europe it was more customary to marry during the evening, in
Western Europe more common to marry during the day. Ketubot for evening
marriages often were dated "Or leyom Sheni" which, for reasons I won't go
into, referred to the evening before Yom Sheni (Monday).

In England, at least in the first half of this century, the United Synagogue
and many other congregations avoided having weddings on a Sunday because it
was thought to be an unnecessary provocation of Christians who did not marry
Sundays.

If you find that an ancestor was married Saturday evening, it is most unlikely
that it was an Orthodox wedding (there wouldn't be time between the end of
Sabbath and the wedding to make preparations); if Saturday evening during the
months >from April through September (N. Hemisphere), it would not have been
Conservative, either (Shabbat doesn't end until around 8:30pm). Orthodox and
Conservative weddings do not take place on the eve of festivals, nor the
intermediate days of Pesach and Sukkot, nor in the three weeks between (and
including) the 17th of Tammuz and the 9th of Av (Ab). There is a restriction
on weddings between Passover and Shavuot. There is a lack of uniformity here:
some communities permit weddings for about a week after Passover, some on the
four days before Shavuot. All permit weddings on Lag Be`omer, which is the
34th day after the start of Passover, and some permite weddings >from that day
on. Lag Be`omer (usually in May) is an extremely popular time for weddings,
especially in Israel.

Orthodox and Conservative weddings also do not take place on public fast days
which, apart >from days already excluded above, include the day after Rosh
Hashana, the 10th of Tevet (usually January) and the eve of Purim.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Despite the thread being closed, we have published the
above as it indeed does offer additional useful information.


Books on Jewish naming traditions & etymology #general

MBernet@...
 

Francis Busser, a well-versed and extremely generous contributor to the
Alsace-Lorraine List (he is not Jewish), asked me
"Do you know a publication or a book about Jewish naming traditions and
etymology? "

I realize that I, too, lack this information. I'd appreciate it if members
would suggest the names of their favorite books, listing if possible
Title
Author(s)
Publisher
Date of publication
special features.

Please cc: fpbusser@cybercable.tm.fr

I think many of us will find this helpful.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


Spain to Caribbean to America #general

WESTON H. BYNG <lotswife@...>
 

Where can I find information about Jewish immigrants who sailed from
Barcelona in 1852 to the Caribbean to America? Is there a listing anywhere?
I cannot find anything on the ships passengers lists I've found on the Net.
Was this a common route. My HAMER line settled in Charleston, SC by 1853,
but I don't know where they landed.

Caroline Byng


Searching: LERNER & ROUNDSTEIN #general

Howard Lerner <Howard.lerner@...>
 

My family name is LERNER,
My mothers name was ROUNDSTEIN,

I have just started to research my Family tree so any help will be
appreciated.

My grandmothers name on my mothers side was DAVIES.
My grandmothers name on my dads side was PURPLE (>from Rotterdam).
I`m not sure where to start, but I thought this was a good place.

Howard Lerner

MODERATOR'S NOTE: A thorough search of the JewsihGen info files at
www.jewishgen.org is always a good starting point.


Kolomyya #general

JoyceField <jfield@...>
 

This is in response to the two postings on Oct 12 re. Kolomyya.

Naomi is quite correct about the difficulty of drumming up the funds to pay
for translation of yizkor books. The Yizkor Book Project will shortly make
an announcement that will make this process easier. Contributions will be
accepted 1) for the translation of a specific yizkor book, with the funds
dedicated only for that book, and/or 2) for the translation of yizkor
books in general. The contributions will be tax-deductible. As soon as we
have finished tinkering with the form, an announcement will be made.

Some additional good news is that a few months ago I was contacted by a
person who plans to translate parts of the Kolomyya yizkor book (Pinkes
Kolomey) herself and wishes to post the translation on the Yizkor Book
website. So we may in the near future see the Kolomyya book online so
that everyone can study it. All the yizkor book translations can be
accessed at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html>.

Joyce Field
Translations Manager
JewishGen Yizkor Book Project

Joyce Field
jfield@nlci.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Genealogy of famous people #general

Moshe Wolf <womoshe@...>
 

Hi!
Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).

Can I find this details on the Net?
TIA
Moshe Wolf


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Reb, Rav #general

Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
 

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Helen Saltman wrote:


Thanks to all who clarified the distincetion between the title of honor
and the actual designation of Rabbi.

Helen Saltman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Wedding days #general

MBernet@...
 

I hope the moderators will allow this comment to be published, although
officially the thread has been closed. It builds on Judith Wegner's
explanation of why virgins were required to marry before Wednesdays, and gives
useful information for checking out likely marriage dates.

Tuesday is a very popular day for weddings; it has mystical qualities because
in the account of the Creation, Tuesday is the only date on wich Genesis
reports TWICE "and it was good."

In Eastern Europe it was more customary to marry during the evening, in
Western Europe more common to marry during the day. Ketubot for evening
marriages often were dated "Or leyom Sheni" which, for reasons I won't go
into, referred to the evening before Yom Sheni (Monday).

In England, at least in the first half of this century, the United Synagogue
and many other congregations avoided having weddings on a Sunday because it
was thought to be an unnecessary provocation of Christians who did not marry
Sundays.

If you find that an ancestor was married Saturday evening, it is most unlikely
that it was an Orthodox wedding (there wouldn't be time between the end of
Sabbath and the wedding to make preparations); if Saturday evening during the
months >from April through September (N. Hemisphere), it would not have been
Conservative, either (Shabbat doesn't end until around 8:30pm). Orthodox and
Conservative weddings do not take place on the eve of festivals, nor the
intermediate days of Pesach and Sukkot, nor in the three weeks between (and
including) the 17th of Tammuz and the 9th of Av (Ab). There is a restriction
on weddings between Passover and Shavuot. There is a lack of uniformity here:
some communities permit weddings for about a week after Passover, some on the
four days before Shavuot. All permit weddings on Lag Be`omer, which is the
34th day after the start of Passover, and some permite weddings >from that day
on. Lag Be`omer (usually in May) is an extremely popular time for weddings,
especially in Israel.

Orthodox and Conservative weddings also do not take place on public fast days
which, apart >from days already excluded above, include the day after Rosh
Hashana, the 10th of Tevet (usually January) and the eve of Purim.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Despite the thread being closed, we have published the
above as it indeed does offer additional useful information.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Books on Jewish naming traditions & etymology #general

MBernet@...
 

Francis Busser, a well-versed and extremely generous contributor to the
Alsace-Lorraine List (he is not Jewish), asked me
"Do you know a publication or a book about Jewish naming traditions and
etymology? "

I realize that I, too, lack this information. I'd appreciate it if members
would suggest the names of their favorite books, listing if possible
Title
Author(s)
Publisher
Date of publication
special features.

Please cc: fpbusser@cybercable.tm.fr

I think many of us will find this helpful.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Spain to Caribbean to America #general

WESTON H. BYNG <lotswife@...>
 

Where can I find information about Jewish immigrants who sailed from
Barcelona in 1852 to the Caribbean to America? Is there a listing anywhere?
I cannot find anything on the ships passengers lists I've found on the Net.
Was this a common route. My HAMER line settled in Charleston, SC by 1853,
but I don't know where they landed.

Caroline Byng


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: LERNER & ROUNDSTEIN #general

Howard Lerner <Howard.lerner@...>
 

My family name is LERNER,
My mothers name was ROUNDSTEIN,

I have just started to research my Family tree so any help will be
appreciated.

My grandmothers name on my mothers side was DAVIES.
My grandmothers name on my dads side was PURPLE (>from Rotterdam).
I`m not sure where to start, but I thought this was a good place.

Howard Lerner

MODERATOR'S NOTE: A thorough search of the JewsihGen info files at
www.jewishgen.org is always a good starting point.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kolomyya #general

JoyceField <jfield@...>
 

This is in response to the two postings on Oct 12 re. Kolomyya.

Naomi is quite correct about the difficulty of drumming up the funds to pay
for translation of yizkor books. The Yizkor Book Project will shortly make
an announcement that will make this process easier. Contributions will be
accepted 1) for the translation of a specific yizkor book, with the funds
dedicated only for that book, and/or 2) for the translation of yizkor
books in general. The contributions will be tax-deductible. As soon as we
have finished tinkering with the form, an announcement will be made.

Some additional good news is that a few months ago I was contacted by a
person who plans to translate parts of the Kolomyya yizkor book (Pinkes
Kolomey) herself and wishes to post the translation on the Yizkor Book
website. So we may in the near future see the Kolomyya book online so
that everyone can study it. All the yizkor book translations can be
accessed at <http://www.jewishgen.org/Yizkor/translations.html>.

Joyce Field
Translations Manager
JewishGen Yizkor Book Project

Joyce Field
jfield@nlci.com


Dates on Certificates #general

Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
 

I have found numerous descrepancies some of which I expected. For
example, my grandmother told me that she lied about her age when she
arrived in this country. She was only 16 and claimed to be 19 in 1903.
She also lied about my mother's age so I expected this. What I didn't
expect was that my father lied about where he was born--not Los Angeles,
but most likely Chicago. For various reasons immigrants have lied, out of
fear, out of misunderstandings about what was expected of them. I do not
understand why my father lied about where he was born. Numerous
descrepancies appear on the death certificates for my family making it
difficult to determine when they came to this country. My paternal
grandmother's maiden name and my grandfather's mother's maiden name are
the same on their death certificates. Is there an error here, or were
they related?

All of this not only makes our research more intriguing, but sometimes
also reveals poignant, sometimes painful human circumstances. A relative
who died in 1919, I was told, was hospitalized coming home >from the war.
In obtaining his death certificate, I discovered he died in San Quentin
from cerebrospinal meningitis. He was nineteen years old and there for
only 40 days. Was he an inmate, or was the San Quentin hospital used for
contagious diseases? I am waiting to hear >from the Archives in
Sacramento. The reference librarian will research information relating to
California institutions--prisons, inmates, politicians,
etc.(916-653-7715).

As someone else has mentioned, there is no one left in my family to ask
anymore about what happened so here I am being a detective.

Helen Saltman
bhsalt@hooked.net

looking for: SALTZBERG--Chicago, Poland; SMIGELSKY--New Jersey, Poland;
BERGMAN--Malmo, Sweden; BERNHOLTZ, Poland; SALTMAN--Kryshopol


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Dates on Certificates #general

Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
 

I have found numerous descrepancies some of which I expected. For
example, my grandmother told me that she lied about her age when she
arrived in this country. She was only 16 and claimed to be 19 in 1903.
She also lied about my mother's age so I expected this. What I didn't
expect was that my father lied about where he was born--not Los Angeles,
but most likely Chicago. For various reasons immigrants have lied, out of
fear, out of misunderstandings about what was expected of them. I do not
understand why my father lied about where he was born. Numerous
descrepancies appear on the death certificates for my family making it
difficult to determine when they came to this country. My paternal
grandmother's maiden name and my grandfather's mother's maiden name are
the same on their death certificates. Is there an error here, or were
they related?

All of this not only makes our research more intriguing, but sometimes
also reveals poignant, sometimes painful human circumstances. A relative
who died in 1919, I was told, was hospitalized coming home >from the war.
In obtaining his death certificate, I discovered he died in San Quentin
from cerebrospinal meningitis. He was nineteen years old and there for
only 40 days. Was he an inmate, or was the San Quentin hospital used for
contagious diseases? I am waiting to hear >from the Archives in
Sacramento. The reference librarian will research information relating to
California institutions--prisons, inmates, politicians,
etc.(916-653-7715).

As someone else has mentioned, there is no one left in my family to ask
anymore about what happened so here I am being a detective.

Helen Saltman
bhsalt@hooked.net

looking for: SALTZBERG--Chicago, Poland; SMIGELSKY--New Jersey, Poland;
BERGMAN--Malmo, Sweden; BERNHOLTZ, Poland; SALTMAN--Kryshopol


Re: First Rymalower Y.M.B.A. #general

Brian Stern <BrianS@...>
 

I believe the town you are searching for is Grimaylov, found about 25 miles
se of Tarnopol in what was once Eastern Galicia and is now Ukraine.

Does anyone know if the use of 'First' in the names of lansmanshaftn or
burial societies was common and if it has any significance. I'm also
interested in a burial society called 'Erster Touster burial society',
First Touster burial society, and I'm wondering what the significance is of
the word First in the name.

Cheers,

Brian }:-{)}

Searching: AUERBACH HOCHMAN Touste, Ukr. ADLER, FISCH, Zholkva Ukr.


Latvia: A personal Journey Part III #general

Barbara Siegel <bsiegel@...>
 

"Where Once The Walked": A visit to my ancestral towns in Latvia after the
Paris 1997 Seminar.

Throughout my travels in Riga, Tukums, Ventspils, Pilten, Kuldiga, Liepaja,
and Grobin I attempted to make a video record of my experiences. In
capturing this on film there was a great deal of personal bias and
subjective editing. I was torn between trying to recreate a picture in my
mind's eye of what was in former years, and what was the reality today. I
probably erred in slighting the contemporary picture, e.g. omitting the
abacus on a store counter alongside more modern equipment. There was also
the problem of conserving batteries and making choices based on that
consideration. It probably would have been better to shoot more and edit
later, but the problem of film and battery economy plus the demands of
attention and energy made this difficult. These problems could be somewhat
resolved if 2 or more people were sharing the shooting and film recording.
Also, unlike many other travellers/researchers I did not program in many of
the Holocoust sites, mass graves etc.. This was for several reasons:1.)A
simple matter of time. My first priority was seeking information about my
ancestors which involved travelling to 6 towns, cemetery sites, town
museums, and archives. 2.)Even without any specific planning, evidences of
the Shoah are everywhere; destroyed or abandoned synagogues and cemeteries,
monuments to victims, museum displays, emptied ghettos, the towns with no or
just a scattering of Jews where there had been thriving Jewish communities.
The country is pretty much Judenrein with the exception of Riga. This was
emotionally profound and disturbing as it was. More would have been
excessively emotionally draining. Due to time restraints I had to make
choices- see the site of mass graves in Riga or the only functioning Jewish
school. I chose the school as an expression of our response to Hitler and
the Soviets. 3.) A Holocoust study is essentially another trip. I had a
different agenda.

Some social, economic and political observations re the contemporary Latvian
scene follow. I am not an historian of the region, nor an expert on the
political and social aspects of the country. My remarks are the result of
my personal observations,impressions, experiences, conversations over a
period of 6 days with 2 guides, and assorted personal encounters with
citizens and workers in the country. On the whole, people on the streets
seemed to be quite conservative. I saw no men with earrings or long hair.
Most seemed squeaky clean and neatly dressed. There weren't too many
laughing faces, and I was taken with the impression that people ofen seemed
rather grim. The streets were very clean, with barely any litter and
ubiquitous street sweepers with their long straw brooms. Latvians have a
love affair with American music. One hears it everywhere. In contrast to
this, they are now very nationalistic. Many prefer to speak Latvian, whereas
before Russian was the favored language. There is also a very strong
Germanic influence >from former times, and the German language is still
important. Families are small. Married couples tend to put off child bearing
or to have at the most only one child, a situation reflective of the
seriously depressed economic condition of the country. Decades of
Sovietization and communist government, and their subsequent withdrawal at
the beginning of he decade have left their mark. Latvians now experience
low wages, high prices, unemployment, and the withdrawal of formerly
subsidized services such as housing, health care, education etc.. There is
the very serious problem of pensioners who, under the Soviets, were able to
live on their small but then adequate pensions and are now often destitute.
A common sight on the streets of Riga is an elderly person standing for
hours with head bent down and holding out a small flat plate for coins.
Altho a sad commentary on contemporary Riga, I could never bring myself to
photograph these unfortunates.

To be continued.


Soc.Sec.Records #general

Arthur Blutstein <meandart@...>
 

I noted a reference to social security "applications" as a resource method.
Please, will some one explain the details of this process. I am only
familiar with SSDI. Thanks
Art


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Rymalower Y.M.B.A. #general

Brian Stern <BrianS@...>
 

I believe the town you are searching for is Grimaylov, found about 25 miles
se of Tarnopol in what was once Eastern Galicia and is now Ukraine.

Does anyone know if the use of 'First' in the names of lansmanshaftn or
burial societies was common and if it has any significance. I'm also
interested in a burial society called 'Erster Touster burial society',
First Touster burial society, and I'm wondering what the significance is of
the word First in the name.

Cheers,

Brian }:-{)}

Searching: AUERBACH HOCHMAN Touste, Ukr. ADLER, FISCH, Zholkva Ukr.