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Searching: Lord David and/or Leonard WOLFSON #general

Ireene Wolfson <ireenew@...>
 

I believe that I am a cousin to David and Leonard Wolfson in England. I
would appreciate any information on how I can contact them.

Thank you

Allan Wolfson

e-mail address: ireenew@e-scape.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Lord David and/or Leonard WOLFSON #general

Ireene Wolfson <ireenew@...>
 

I believe that I am a cousin to David and Leonard Wolfson in England. I
would appreciate any information on how I can contact them.

Thank you

Allan Wolfson

e-mail address: ireenew@e-scape.net


Hebrew names--Brothers #general

H. Marshall Schaffner <hmssaba@...>
 

Recently took pictures of family tombstones while visiting in Chicago.
Thought that I had identified the graves of two cousins until I took a
closer look at their fathers' Hebrew names. One's father was named Schlame
Itzhak and the other's father was named Mordechai Itzhak. Presumably these
fathers were brothers, however it now seems unlikely as they both have the
same second Hebrew name of "Itzhak".

My Question, is it possible that brothers would be given the same Hebrew
name if it is a second name?

--
Marshall Schaffner
Martinez, CA Searching: ERKES, SHOTKIN, KOROSTYCHEVSKY,ZALMAN


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hebrew names--Brothers #general

H. Marshall Schaffner <hmssaba@...>
 

Recently took pictures of family tombstones while visiting in Chicago.
Thought that I had identified the graves of two cousins until I took a
closer look at their fathers' Hebrew names. One's father was named Schlame
Itzhak and the other's father was named Mordechai Itzhak. Presumably these
fathers were brothers, however it now seems unlikely as they both have the
same second Hebrew name of "Itzhak".

My Question, is it possible that brothers would be given the same Hebrew
name if it is a second name?

--
Marshall Schaffner
Martinez, CA Searching: ERKES, SHOTKIN, KOROSTYCHEVSKY,ZALMAN


Re: Two Different NYC Marriage Certificates for the Same Couple #general

Lew Norman <lewnorman@...>
 

Was it customary to obtain two different NYC marriage certificates when
the civil and religious marriages occurred on different dates? If not,
does anyone have any ideas as to why there were two marriage certificates?
Let's see if we can clear this mystery up once and for all, as there have
been hundreds of postings regarding marriage records in NYC over the past
couple of years. The cause for confusion among even knowledgeable
JewishGenners is due to a is lack of understanding of the basic local laws.
A cursory knowledge of the law behind these legal documents will
facilitate a better understanding of both its form and substance. There
are two questions to be answered here. First, between 1908 and 1937, BOTH
the NYC Clerk's Office AND the NYC Department of Health maintained marriage
records. That is the explaination, plain and simple. Second, if you
carefully read these two marriage documents, you will notice that the NYC
Department of Health record is a marriage CERTIFICATE, while the NYC
Clerk's Office record consists of both a LICENSE and a CERTIFICATE. A
marriage license was required to be obtained before the couple could be
legally married. Once the license was issued, the couple had 90 days in
which to be married, either by a Judge, authorized civil clerk or a Rabbi.
The existance of only a license (but no certificate) does not meant that
the couple were actually married. The marriage certificate is evidence
that the couple were legally married (by a Rabbi or otherwise) and is
signed by the couple, the witnesses and the person performing the ceremony.
The two different dates Ms. Peskin referrs to are the date the City Clerk
signed and issued the license (the earlier date) and the date the ceremony
was actually performed by the Rabbi. This later date is the date of the
marriage and is the date which should appear on the Ketubah. There is
another very important issue which I am compelled to address. People often
refer to a "civil" marriage as opposed to a "religious/Jewish" marriage.
This is a misnomer, and there is really no such thing. A civil marriage is
one where a civil clerk or Judge performs the ceremony. A religious
marriage is where the ceremony is peformed by a clergyman. But,
nevertheless, in a Jewish wedding, before the Rabbi could or would legally
marry them, the couple was required to obtain a marriage license >from the
City Clerk (there is a sub-issue relating to which county the certificate
was to be obtained from, but I will not address that here) and present this
license to the Rabbi prior to the ceremony, and the Rabbi would file it
with the City Clerk and/or Department of Health (depending on which
document it was) after the ceremony was performed. Therefore, a
"religious" marriage always generated a "civil" marriage record, and you
could NOT have ONLY a "Jewish marriage" without a "civil marriage" because
the marriage would not be legal! (Although it might be considered legal
under Jewish law.) All those many instances in the past where
JewishGenners have posted messages stating "I cannot find the civil
marriage certificate in NYC for my grandparents and therefore they must
have had only a religious ceremony and not a civil ceremony" cannot be
correct. It only means that the certificate was never filed by the Rabbi
or was misfiled or misindexed or lost or accidently destroyed. In
summation, all Jewish/religious marriages in NYC were also considered civil
marriages if they were legal and a marriage license was obtained before,
and a certificate was filed after. Of course, this holds true only after
such time that the civil authorities required that marriage licenses be
obtained and certificates be filed, but I do not know the date in NYC
after which these documents were required.

Mark Nearenberg, Esq.
New York City

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Searching: Rabbi Hessel WAYNE, Kansas City, Mo 1900. #general

Rodger Cooper
 

Please excuse this inquiry, but I don't know the proper way to search
utilizing the group.

RE:Surnames WAYNE, AND COHEN

My grandmother, Etta Wayne, was the daughter of Rabbi Hessel Wayne, who
presided over the Orthodox Jewish Temple of Kansas City, Mo. circa 1900.
My grandfather was Leon J. Cohen, born in Russia, Dec. 25, 1875 and died in
St. Louis on the same day in 1917. My grandfather was mentioned in the
"Centennial History of Missouri", page 813.
He was a member of the National Committe for the relief of Jewish war
sufferers. He married Etta Wayne in 1900.

Sincerely,
Rodger Cooper
Buddycoop@aol.com

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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Two Different NYC Marriage Certificates for the Same Couple #general

Lew Norman <lewnorman@...>
 

Was it customary to obtain two different NYC marriage certificates when
the civil and religious marriages occurred on different dates? If not,
does anyone have any ideas as to why there were two marriage certificates?
Let's see if we can clear this mystery up once and for all, as there have
been hundreds of postings regarding marriage records in NYC over the past
couple of years. The cause for confusion among even knowledgeable
JewishGenners is due to a is lack of understanding of the basic local laws.
A cursory knowledge of the law behind these legal documents will
facilitate a better understanding of both its form and substance. There
are two questions to be answered here. First, between 1908 and 1937, BOTH
the NYC Clerk's Office AND the NYC Department of Health maintained marriage
records. That is the explaination, plain and simple. Second, if you
carefully read these two marriage documents, you will notice that the NYC
Department of Health record is a marriage CERTIFICATE, while the NYC
Clerk's Office record consists of both a LICENSE and a CERTIFICATE. A
marriage license was required to be obtained before the couple could be
legally married. Once the license was issued, the couple had 90 days in
which to be married, either by a Judge, authorized civil clerk or a Rabbi.
The existance of only a license (but no certificate) does not meant that
the couple were actually married. The marriage certificate is evidence
that the couple were legally married (by a Rabbi or otherwise) and is
signed by the couple, the witnesses and the person performing the ceremony.
The two different dates Ms. Peskin referrs to are the date the City Clerk
signed and issued the license (the earlier date) and the date the ceremony
was actually performed by the Rabbi. This later date is the date of the
marriage and is the date which should appear on the Ketubah. There is
another very important issue which I am compelled to address. People often
refer to a "civil" marriage as opposed to a "religious/Jewish" marriage.
This is a misnomer, and there is really no such thing. A civil marriage is
one where a civil clerk or Judge performs the ceremony. A religious
marriage is where the ceremony is peformed by a clergyman. But,
nevertheless, in a Jewish wedding, before the Rabbi could or would legally
marry them, the couple was required to obtain a marriage license >from the
City Clerk (there is a sub-issue relating to which county the certificate
was to be obtained from, but I will not address that here) and present this
license to the Rabbi prior to the ceremony, and the Rabbi would file it
with the City Clerk and/or Department of Health (depending on which
document it was) after the ceremony was performed. Therefore, a
"religious" marriage always generated a "civil" marriage record, and you
could NOT have ONLY a "Jewish marriage" without a "civil marriage" because
the marriage would not be legal! (Although it might be considered legal
under Jewish law.) All those many instances in the past where
JewishGenners have posted messages stating "I cannot find the civil
marriage certificate in NYC for my grandparents and therefore they must
have had only a religious ceremony and not a civil ceremony" cannot be
correct. It only means that the certificate was never filed by the Rabbi
or was misfiled or misindexed or lost or accidently destroyed. In
summation, all Jewish/religious marriages in NYC were also considered civil
marriages if they were legal and a marriage license was obtained before,
and a certificate was filed after. Of course, this holds true only after
such time that the civil authorities required that marriage licenses be
obtained and certificates be filed, but I do not know the date in NYC
after which these documents were required.

Mark Nearenberg, Esq.
New York City

MODERATOR NOTE: This useful post provides additional details beyond what
is contained in the JewishGen InfoFile on New York City vital records,
which can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/ny-vital.html>.
The InfoFile contains information about birth and death records as well as
repositories and availability. It will be useful to most researchers with
interests in New York City.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: Rabbi Hessel WAYNE, Kansas City, Mo 1900. #general

Rodger Cooper
 

Please excuse this inquiry, but I don't know the proper way to search
utilizing the group.

RE:Surnames WAYNE, AND COHEN

My grandmother, Etta Wayne, was the daughter of Rabbi Hessel Wayne, who
presided over the Orthodox Jewish Temple of Kansas City, Mo. circa 1900.
My grandfather was Leon J. Cohen, born in Russia, Dec. 25, 1875 and died in
St. Louis on the same day in 1917. My grandfather was mentioned in the
"Centennial History of Missouri", page 813.
He was a member of the National Committe for the relief of Jewish war
sufferers. He married Etta Wayne in 1900.

Sincerely,
Rodger Cooper
Buddycoop@aol.com

MODERATOR NOTE: You're doing fine! Please note how we edited your subject
line. Check out the JewishGen Family Finder online at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/jgff>, and welcome to the group.


Re: Ukraine genealogists #general

Howard M. Rensin <hrensin@...>
 

Please let us ALL know if you find such a person. There have been
several postings here looking for the same thing >from time to
time, including my own
Howard

Saul Klarer wrote:


Has anyone found an affordable genealogist to search in the Ukraine ??
Please tell me who it may be.
Thanks.
Saul KLARER <klar-pax@netcom.ca>

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.
--
Howard M. Rensin, KC3D
Glenwood,MD,21738
hrensin@erols.com
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO

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about individual genealogical researchers. We are aware that this policy
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JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ukraine genealogists #general

Howard M. Rensin <hrensin@...>
 

Please let us ALL know if you find such a person. There have been
several postings here looking for the same thing >from time to
time, including my own
Howard

Saul Klarer wrote:


Has anyone found an affordable genealogist to search in the Ukraine ??
Please tell me who it may be.
Thanks.
Saul KLARER <klar-pax@netcom.ca>

MODERATOR NOTE: Please respond privately.
--
Howard M. Rensin, KC3D
Glenwood,MD,21738
hrensin@erols.com
Searching: RENSIN,RENZIN,KALLET,KALETZKY,KLIAZKO

MODERATOR NOTE: We regret that the JewishGen Discussion Group is unable to
carry testimonials or recommendations (or condemnations, for that matter)
about individual genealogical researchers. We are aware that this policy
poses an inconvenience to many researchers, but it is necessary to protect
our non-profit status. We suggest that anyone interested in this
information pursue the matter by private e-mail.


Hinde #general

Traci S. K. Thysell-McPherson <tracibear@...>
 

My Mother 's Hebrew name is Hinda Seril
Her American name Helaine Sherrill
She was named for her grandmother whose name was Anna her middle name may
have been Sara
Her daughter, my grandmother was Sara Mary

Traci :-)
Traci S. K. Thysell-McPherson

yvonne.hakan@ebox.tninet.se writes:

<< my mothers tumbstone there its a second name . . . .HINDE >>

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a good example of how any secular name can belong
to a person who has any Jewish name. We think this is good time to end
this thread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hinde #general

Traci S. K. Thysell-McPherson <tracibear@...>
 

My Mother 's Hebrew name is Hinda Seril
Her American name Helaine Sherrill
She was named for her grandmother whose name was Anna her middle name may
have been Sara
Her daughter, my grandmother was Sara Mary

Traci :-)
Traci S. K. Thysell-McPherson

yvonne.hakan@ebox.tninet.se writes:

<< my mothers tumbstone there its a second name . . . .HINDE >>

MODERATOR NOTE: This is a good example of how any secular name can belong
to a person who has any Jewish name. We think this is good time to end
this thread.


Re: Tosfot YOM TOV LIPPMAN (Heller),AKA Tosfot Yomtov #general

Sam Shoshan <samshoshan@...>
 

Tosfot Yomtov's father was Noson Halevy Heller, son of Moshe Halevi
Heller [Av Bes Din of Wallerstein, Chief Rabbi of Germany], who was a
decendant of Noson ben Yechiel, the Baal Ha'aruch, Rosh Yeshiva of
Rome [b.1035, d.1102]. His father was Yechiel Gaon of Rome, whose
father seems to have been Avrohom who is reputed to be a decendant of
the family of Tapuchin of the tribe of Yehuda

Sam Shoshan

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

The illustrious Rabbi YomTov Lippman Heller, author of Tosfot
YomTov, 16th


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Tosfot YOM TOV LIPPMAN (Heller),AKA Tosfot Yomtov #general

Sam Shoshan <samshoshan@...>
 

Tosfot Yomtov's father was Noson Halevy Heller, son of Moshe Halevi
Heller [Av Bes Din of Wallerstein, Chief Rabbi of Germany], who was a
decendant of Noson ben Yechiel, the Baal Ha'aruch, Rosh Yeshiva of
Rome [b.1035, d.1102]. His father was Yechiel Gaon of Rome, whose
father seems to have been Avrohom who is reputed to be a decendant of
the family of Tapuchin of the tribe of Yehuda

Sam Shoshan

MBernet@aol.com wrote:

The illustrious Rabbi YomTov Lippman Heller, author of Tosfot
YomTov, 16th


Re: Searching KATZEFF, Glasgow, Scotland #general

Brian Stern <BrianS@...>
 

My ggf, Samuel Joselowitz Katzeff, had a brother who moved to Glasgow
Scotland around 1900. I'm not sure about his name, but it could be Schile
David Joselowitz Katzeff.
I'm interested in this first name Schile. I have come across it recently
in a group of people that may be my relatives: Schile Bloch from
Eichtersheim Germany and his grandson Shile Bloch >from Eichtersheim Germany
:).

Can anyone tell me anything about this first name? Was it common at one
time? Is this a "Jewish" name? Does it mean something?

Thanks,

Brian Stern }:-{)}

____________________________________________________________________
Brian Stern {8-{)}
BrianS@pbcomputing.com
Austin, TX

Searching: AUERBACH Touste, Lemberg, Ukr; HOCHMAN Touste, Ukr; ADLER, FISCH
Zholkva, Ukr;
STERN, Bruchsal, Olnhausen, Heinsheim Germany; BLOCH Eichtersheim Germany;
EHRLICH Bieringen Germany.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Searching KATZEFF, Glasgow, Scotland #general

Brian Stern <BrianS@...>
 

My ggf, Samuel Joselowitz Katzeff, had a brother who moved to Glasgow
Scotland around 1900. I'm not sure about his name, but it could be Schile
David Joselowitz Katzeff.
I'm interested in this first name Schile. I have come across it recently
in a group of people that may be my relatives: Schile Bloch from
Eichtersheim Germany and his grandson Shile Bloch >from Eichtersheim Germany
:).

Can anyone tell me anything about this first name? Was it common at one
time? Is this a "Jewish" name? Does it mean something?

Thanks,

Brian Stern }:-{)}

____________________________________________________________________
Brian Stern {8-{)}
BrianS@pbcomputing.com
Austin, TX

Searching: AUERBACH Touste, Lemberg, Ukr; HOCHMAN Touste, Ukr; ADLER, FISCH
Zholkva, Ukr;
STERN, Bruchsal, Olnhausen, Heinsheim Germany; BLOCH Eichtersheim Germany;
EHRLICH Bieringen Germany.


Death of Sheiala Moskow #general

Pollero - Rochelle K. <rpollero@...>
 

Sheiala Ratner Moskow (1929-1998)

The members of Gesher Galicia's Steering Committee are deeply saddened by
the death of our friend and Treasurer, Sheiala Moskow who died on November
12, 1998 in Annapolis, Maryland after a short illness.

Sheiala had many friends and contacts in the worldwide Jewish genealogy
community as she researched her GELERNTER and RATNER family. She
subscribed to this discussion group and regularly responded to its
readers, mostly by private email.

A longtime member of the JGS of Greater Washington, Sheiala attended many
Summer Seminars, including NYC, Israel, Paris, and most recently in L.A.

Sheiala made a major contribution to Gesher Galicia not only in her three
years as treasurer, but with her wise and helpful advice. She will be
missed.

A memorial service will be held at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday, November 15 at
the Hardesty Funeral Home, 12 Ridgely Avenue, Annapolis, Maryland. The
family will sit shiva on Sunday and Monday at the Moskow home.

For further information, you may contact me.

Shelley Kellerman Pollero
Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
rpollero@umd5.umd.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Death of Sheiala Moskow #general

Pollero - Rochelle K. <rpollero@...>
 

Sheiala Ratner Moskow (1929-1998)

The members of Gesher Galicia's Steering Committee are deeply saddened by
the death of our friend and Treasurer, Sheiala Moskow who died on November
12, 1998 in Annapolis, Maryland after a short illness.

Sheiala had many friends and contacts in the worldwide Jewish genealogy
community as she researched her GELERNTER and RATNER family. She
subscribed to this discussion group and regularly responded to its
readers, mostly by private email.

A longtime member of the JGS of Greater Washington, Sheiala attended many
Summer Seminars, including NYC, Israel, Paris, and most recently in L.A.

Sheiala made a major contribution to Gesher Galicia not only in her three
years as treasurer, but with her wise and helpful advice. She will be
missed.

A memorial service will be held at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday, November 15 at
the Hardesty Funeral Home, 12 Ridgely Avenue, Annapolis, Maryland. The
family will sit shiva on Sunday and Monday at the Moskow home.

For further information, you may contact me.

Shelley Kellerman Pollero
Coordinator, Gesher Galicia
Severna Park, Maryland
rpollero@umd5.umd.edu


Avotaynu Toll-free Number #belarus

Diane Frankel <dfrankel@...>
 

Call 1 800 Avotaynu. Ruth or Gary will tell you how to obtain what you
want.

Diane Frankel


Belarus SIG #Belarus Avotaynu Toll-free Number #belarus

Diane Frankel <dfrankel@...>
 

Call 1 800 Avotaynu. Ruth or Gary will tell you how to obtain what you
want.

Diane Frankel