Y'know, it's kind of interesting - I had just posted something about my
great-grandmother's birthplace as being a number of different places(Kiev
or Savitz, mostly), all coming >from written sources, but the
family is supposed to be >from Gomel/Vetka. It also seems to depend on
when it was written and who wrote it, but nonetheless, there is no
consistency in recording the place of birth, and my great-grandmother is
not the only one that is difficult to track. Strange as it may seem,
dates of birth are even recorded with more consistency for my family.

Basically, since I know that most of the family is >from Gomel and that
family members have heard this >from ancestors as first-hand information,
I continue to search around Gomel. Does this seem to be the right
approach?

Anyhow, it's not much of a search, but on Lycos I found three towns with
the name, Golinka (1 in Poland, 1 in Russia, and 1 in Ukraine). I
couldn't find Holinka or Durinitz, but figured that the interchanging of
the "G" and "H" in Gomel/Homel' might work with Golinka/Holinka.

Good luck,
Dan Checkman

Caryl L. Scheuer wrote:
I have been operating under the assumption, through family members, that my
great great grandparents, Echiel & Eva HECHT were >from Osipovichi, Belarus.
My great grandparents, Samuel SAVELEWITZ and Rachel HECHT SAVELEWITZ
emigrated >from Bobruysk.

I just received a copy of the "Petition for Naturalization" for my great
grandfather, Zuske ZAVELEVITZ. He listed his place of birth as Holinka,
Russia and my great grandmother, Rachel HECHT ZAVELEVITZ birth place as
Durinitz, Russia. I can't find these cities anywhere - does anyone have
any clues?

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My paternal grandmother, born Tsivia KRATE (married name FINKELSTEIN)

from Hrobieshov, Poland, had two brothers, both orthodox, who settled in

Milwaukee. I believe that one was named Harry. My father (Louis
FINKELSTEIN) of New York City lost touch with his uncles and their
families long ago. We would like to reestablish contact.

Ira Finkelstein

Y'know, it's kind of interesting - I had just posted something about my
great-grandmother's birthplace as being a number of different places(Kiev
or Savitz, mostly), all coming >from written sources, but the
family is supposed to be >from Gomel/Vetka. It also seems to depend on
when it was written and who wrote it, but nonetheless, there is no
consistency in recording the place of birth, and my great-grandmother is
not the only one that is difficult to track. Strange as it may seem,
dates of birth are even recorded with more consistency for my family.

Basically, since I know that most of the family is >from Gomel and that
family members have heard this >from ancestors as first-hand information,
I continue to search around Gomel. Does this seem to be the right
approach?

Anyhow, it's not much of a search, but on Lycos I found three towns with
the name, Golinka (1 in Poland, 1 in Russia, and 1 in Ukraine). I
couldn't find Holinka or Durinitz, but figured that the interchanging of
the "G" and "H" in Gomel/Homel' might work with Golinka/Holinka.

Good luck,
Dan Checkman

Caryl L. Scheuer wrote:
I have been operating under the assumption, through family members, that my
great great grandparents, Echiel & Eva HECHT were >from Osipovichi, Belarus.
My great grandparents, Samuel SAVELEWITZ and Rachel HECHT SAVELEWITZ
emigrated >from Bobruysk.

I just received a copy of the "Petition for Naturalization" for my great
grandfather, Zuske ZAVELEVITZ. He listed his place of birth as Holinka,
Russia and my great grandmother, Rachel HECHT ZAVELEVITZ birth place as
Durinitz, Russia. I can't find these cities anywhere - does anyone have
any clues?

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MIME on your e-mail program before sending a message to the discussion
group. MIME causes all kinds of problems for the listserver software.
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My paternal grandmother, born Tsivia KRATE (married name FINKELSTEIN)

from Hrobieshov, Poland, had two brothers, both orthodox, who settled in

Milwaukee. I believe that one was named Harry. My father (Louis
FINKELSTEIN) of New York City lost touch with his uncles and their
families long ago. We would like to reestablish contact.

Ira Finkelstein

I'm trying to help a friend find info on his family. His paternal
grandparents were Mordeciah and Miriam HERMER >from Latvia. They
emigrated to South Africa cica 1900.
Any leads on this family?
Thanks
A. Lehmkuhl

I'm trying to help a friend find info on his family. His paternal
grandparents were Mordeciah and Miriam HERMER >from Latvia. They
emigrated to South Africa cica 1900.
Any leads on this family?
Thanks
A. Lehmkuhl

Does anyone know how I can edit out one message to save, and
discard the others in the digest?. I know how to "select" line by
line and then "delete", but, with the length of the digest that
is a very awkward method.
Bob Cooper

There are two convenient methods for extracting items of interest to save,
one of which depends on the E-mail program you use.

1. In Eudora Pro, I highlight the section I want to save, click COPY,
then I click on the Write Mail Icon, and address it
TO: Record
Subject: JGen- Date -Item name.
Move to the body of the message and PASTE the Digest item.
Last, TRANSFER to my JewishGen Mailbox, where most such items reside.

2. Highlight, COPY as above. In FILE, Open New Text File, PASTE the Digest
item. Then FILE - Save As: and Place it in your Word Processor Directory,
which should have a subdirectory <JGenExtr> (or similar). Give the file an
appropriate name and SAVE it.
I use both methods, depending on the item.
Of course, the same sequence is used by all respondents to JGen, to Copy
and Paste as Quotation for answering queries.

Gunther-Steinberg
Portola Valley CA

Searching: STEINBERG, Germany, US
KAUFMANN Koln/ Rhineland; KOHEN/COHEN Holland;
ROSE - Paderborn, Lower Saxony; RUBENSOHN - Northern Germany

Does anyone know how I can edit out one message to save, and
discard the others in the digest?. I know how to "select" line by
line and then "delete", but, with the length of the digest that
is a very awkward method.
Bob Cooper

There are two convenient methods for extracting items of interest to save,
one of which depends on the E-mail program you use.

1. In Eudora Pro, I highlight the section I want to save, click COPY,
then I click on the Write Mail Icon, and address it
TO: Record
Subject: JGen- Date -Item name.
Move to the body of the message and PASTE the Digest item.
Last, TRANSFER to my JewishGen Mailbox, where most such items reside.

2. Highlight, COPY as above. In FILE, Open New Text File, PASTE the Digest
item. Then FILE - Save As: and Place it in your Word Processor Directory,
which should have a subdirectory <JGenExtr> (or similar). Give the file an
appropriate name and SAVE it.
I use both methods, depending on the item.
Of course, the same sequence is used by all respondents to JGen, to Copy
and Paste as Quotation for answering queries.

Gunther-Steinberg
Portola Valley CA

Searching: STEINBERG, Germany, US
KAUFMANN Koln/ Rhineland; KOHEN/COHEN Holland;
ROSE - Paderborn, Lower Saxony; RUBENSOHN - Northern Germany

Brett Lieberman wrote:

Can anyone tell me what this might translate to?

You are probably referring to Russian female name Marfa (Marpha), which
is originated >from the Greek Ortodox Church.
The nearest Anglosaxon equivalent could be Murphy ;-)

Alexander Sharon

Brett Lieberman wrote:

Can anyone tell me what this might translate to?

You are probably referring to Russian female name Marfa (Marpha), which
is originated >from the Greek Ortodox Church.
The nearest Anglosaxon equivalent could be Murphy ;-)

Alexander Sharon

The latest version of the JewishGen FAQ (revision 6.8) is now
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The JewishGen FAQ ("Frequently Asked Questions") document
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"Germans to America" passenger list index books --
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"Migration >from the Russian Empire" published index:
The next two volumes (#5-#6, covering June 1889 to
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The National Archives of Canada has obtained the
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Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People:
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The latest version of the JewishGen FAQ (revision 6.8) is now
available -- via e-mail or the web.

The JewishGen FAQ ("Frequently Asked Questions") document
answers some of the basic questions about Jewish Genealogy.
Available at: <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>;.

If you're just beginning with Jewish genealogy, the FAQ is
the place to start.

Changes to the FAQ in the past three months:
- Q#3 : JGFF: Updated: Now over 10,000 researchers!
- Q#5 : Genealogy Unlimited, Inc.: New URL.
- Q#6 : The AJGS is now the IAJGS -- the International
Association of Jewish Genelaogical Societies
Belarus SIG: New SIG.
Gesher Galicia SIG: New web page:
<http://www.jewishgen.org/galicia>;.
Added link to SIG mailing lists discussion groups.
- Q#7 : 1999 Summer Seminar: August 8-13, New York City.
- Q#8 : Updated NARA regional archives contact info:
web addresses, phone numbers, zip codes.
Updated address for "Aids for Genealogical Research".
Updated web address for microfilm catalogs.
- Q#9 : "Where To Write for Vital Records" (USA): New URL.
- Q#10: "Morton-Allan Directory" reprinted by GPC.
"Germans to America" passenger list index books --
Two more volumes published:
Vol. 59 (May-Nov 1890), Vol. 60 (Dec 1890-May 1891).
"Migration >from the Russian Empire" published index:
The next two volumes (#5-#6, covering June 1889 to
early 1892) are scheduled for late Fall 1998.
The National Archives of Canada has obtained the
immigrant passenger arrival lists for Canadian ports
for 1919 thru 1935. The microfilms are currently
being processed, and will be available shortly.
- Q#11: Added paragraph about origins in "Russia".
- Q#12: Three new books on Naturalization Records, including
a revision of John J. Newman's classic.
- Q#14: YIVO: Noted closing dates for library and archives.
Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People:
Now has a web site.
American Jewish Archives, Cincinnati:
Changed website URL: <http://huc.edu/aja>;.
- Q#15: Yizkor Books: New bibliography: ">from a Ruined Garden".
New InfoFile about Serge Klarsfeld's
"Memorial to the Jews Deported >from France".
- Q#16: "Family Tree of the Jewish People" (FTJP):
Now online on JewishGen! CD will be issued in Fall.
- Q#17: New book: Feldblyum's: "Russian-Jewish Given Names".
- Q#18: JewishGen mailing list:
- Now over 3,000 mailing list subscribers!
- Updated Web subscription form.
- New listserver domain: @lyris.jewishgen.org
Updated "JewishGen Discussion Group" and "Rules"
InfoFiles.
- Q#19: Removed outdated computer reference books.
New software releases:
- Broderbund's "Family Tree Maker" - Version 5.0.
- Wholley Genes' "The Master Genealogist" - Version 3.5.
- Sierra's "Generations" - Version 4.2.
Avotaynu's Consolidated Jewish Surname Index (CJSI):
Now Updated -- 230,000 surnames >from 28 sources.
Cyndi's List: new URL.
- Q#20: Added definition of FTJP; Changed AJGS to IAJGS.
- Minor wording and formatting changes, and several hypertext
links added.


TABLE OF CONTENTS:
1) GETTING STARTED
2) PUBLICATIONS
3) JEWISHGEN FAMILY FINDER (JGFF)
4) BOOKS
5) VENDORS
6) JEWISH GENEALOGICAL SOCIETIES (JGSs)
7) SEMINARS ON JEWISH GENEALOGY
8) NATIONAL ARCHIVES
9) U.S. VITAL RECORDS (BIRTHS, MARRIAGES & DEATHS)
10) PASSENGER LISTS
11) FINDING YOUR ANCESTRAL TOWN
12) NATURALIZATION RECORDS
13) LDS (MORMON) FAMILY HISTORY CENTERS
14) OTHER ARCHIVES
15) HOLOCAUST RESEARCH
16) FAMILY TREE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE (FTJP)
17) JEWISH NAMES
18) JEWISHGEN DISCUSSION GROUP
19) COMPUTERS AND GENEALOGY
20) GLOSSARY, ABBREVIATIONS


The JewishGen FAQ is updated monthly, and is available on the
Internet via e-mail or the World Wide Web, or in published form.

WWW:
A hypertext version of the FAQ is available on the WWW,
at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>;.

E-mail:
Request >from <faq@jewishgen.org> or <wblatt@jewishgen.org>.

In Print:
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Avotaynu, Inc. P.O. Box 900, Teaneck, NJ 07666,
1-800-AVOTAYNU, for $11.00 + 2.50 S/H.

Corrections, additions and suggestions for the FAQ are
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Warren

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Are there records of hospital births in Bialystok for late1939 and 1940?
David Grupper, Brooklyn, NY

Are there records of hospital births in Bialystok for late1939 and 1940?
David Grupper, Brooklyn, NY

I am searching on behalf of Erika FEDER, any relatives or descendants of
her maternal GGM, the late Theresia LUZATO (maiden name), born in Padua
(Italy),circa 1850 and married and lived in Szeged (Hungary). Any
information would be appreciated
Jacques Sussmann

I am searching on behalf of Erika FEDER, any relatives or descendants of
her maternal GGM, the late Theresia LUZATO (maiden name), born in Padua
(Italy),circa 1850 and married and lived in Szeged (Hungary). Any
information would be appreciated
Jacques Sussmann

Hello there,

We are trying to trace the family on my wifes side.
All we know, that the grandma's name was TATTLER (may be spellt differently
?) and they lived in England in the area of Liverpool / Whirral. There are
no records left, just hearsay. We assume that they immigrated >from Europe,
possibly Switzerland / Austria.
Has anyone came across this name ? Can anyone help ?

Thanks a lot
Sandy & Wolf Bernard

Hello there,

We are trying to trace the family on my wifes side.
All we know, that the grandma's name was TATTLER (may be spellt differently
?) and they lived in England in the area of Liverpool / Whirral. There are
no records left, just hearsay. We assume that they immigrated >from Europe,
possibly Switzerland / Austria.
Has anyone came across this name ? Can anyone help ?

Thanks a lot
Sandy & Wolf Bernard

Re invasion of Hungary by the Germans:

In March 1944 Horthy had attempted secret negotiations with the
Allies for a separate peace. The response >from Germany was to immediately
invade Hungary on the 19th of that month. Horthy managed to remain in
power. He had attempted several times (occasionally successfully) to halt
deportations. On 15th October 1944 he made a radio announcement declaring
that the war was over for Hungary, exhorting Hungarian soldiers, wherever
they may be, to put down their arms. I have personally heard that
proclamation.

The response >from the Nazis was to oust Horthy, and create the
Arrowcross puppet government. One of Horthy's sons (who was a known
anti-Nazi) was kidnapped, rolled into a persian carpet (no less), and
thrust into Ravensbruck concentration camp, where he survived the war.


Eva Boyum
Australia
eva@netspace.net.au

Re invasion of Hungary by the Germans:

In March 1944 Horthy had attempted secret negotiations with the
Allies for a separate peace. The response >from Germany was to immediately
invade Hungary on the 19th of that month. Horthy managed to remain in
power. He had attempted several times (occasionally successfully) to halt
deportations. On 15th October 1944 he made a radio announcement declaring
that the war was over for Hungary, exhorting Hungarian soldiers, wherever
they may be, to put down their arms. I have personally heard that
proclamation.

The response >from the Nazis was to oust Horthy, and create the
Arrowcross puppet government. One of Horthy's sons (who was a known
anti-Nazi) was kidnapped, rolled into a persian carpet (no less), and
thrust into Ravensbruck concentration camp, where he survived the war.


Eva Boyum
Australia
eva@netspace.net.au