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Fekete Ardo #hungary

Glen Hartenbaum <glenstacyhart@...>
 

Is anyone familiar with Fekete Ardo ( or Fekete Erdo)? I've been
unsucessfully searching for any information about this place for almost 10
years! All I do know is that it is listed as home town for both my
great-grandparents. Any information would be very much appreciated. Stacy
Hartenbaum


Hungary SIG #Hungary Fekete Ardo #hungary

Glen Hartenbaum <glenstacyhart@...>
 

Is anyone familiar with Fekete Ardo ( or Fekete Erdo)? I've been
unsucessfully searching for any information about this place for almost 10
years! All I do know is that it is listed as home town for both my
great-grandparents. Any information would be very much appreciated. Stacy
Hartenbaum


BELINKOFF from Gomel #belarus

Adarelana@...
 

1. What is the proper protocol for answering an inquiry >from the digest. If I
have information about a posted name, may I answer directly to the asker, or
should the answer be posted to the digest?

2. I am researching BELINKOFF >from Gomel. There are BELINKOFFS both in the US
and in Israel >from Gomel and we are trying to establish a link. Are there
records in the US >from Gomel? Does anyone know of a relaible researcher in
Gomel? I am not even sure in which guberni Gomel is.

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont CA

Moderator's Note: If you have information about a particular name, you
should respond directly to the "asker". However, if your answers contain
information that might benefit other members of the group, you should post
it.


Belarus SIG #Belarus BELINKOFF from Gomel #belarus

Adarelana@...
 

1. What is the proper protocol for answering an inquiry >from the digest. If I
have information about a posted name, may I answer directly to the asker, or
should the answer be posted to the digest?

2. I am researching BELINKOFF >from Gomel. There are BELINKOFFS both in the US
and in Israel >from Gomel and we are trying to establish a link. Are there
records in the US >from Gomel? Does anyone know of a relaible researcher in
Gomel? I am not even sure in which guberni Gomel is.

Adar Belinkoff
Claremont CA

Moderator's Note: If you have information about a particular name, you
should respond directly to the "asker". However, if your answers contain
information that might benefit other members of the group, you should post
it.


Vitebsk Records found in Minsk #belarus

Howard M. Rensin <hrensin@...>
 

In response to the below Note >from the moderator, I have
scanned and attached to this posting (in text format) a
portion of the letter I got >from the researcher who I part a
rather large sum to, which letter will contain the full
amount of all information I have been able to learn about
the Vitebsk records, as found in the Minsk Archives. This is
the totality of my information.
Again I ask, that if any of you have information of other
records available for Vitebsk and dealing with birth, death,
and/or marriage, to please let me and the group know.
thanks and see below for the scanned text....
Howard


Dear Howard:
The following is a report based upon research in the Belarus State Archives
in Minsk on your behalf.

General Comments
There are no metrical books (registrations of births/marriages/deaths) or
Reviskiy Skaskiy (revision lists/census lists) for Vitebsk. However, we
did find a unique situation here that I have not encountered in any other
archive where I have worked. There is a series of books that consist of
family lists and merchant lists beginning in 1874 with entries up through
1919. Often these books include data froin the 1858 Reviskiy Skaskiy.
Each year, new entries are added for births, marriages, deaths and army
inductions.

There are 88 books in Fond 2496 that were recorded by the Vitebsk Mayor's
office. Many of the books are very big (75 x 50 cm.) Multiple pages are
alloted for each family. Many pages were left blank to allow for the
insertion of new information. Because of the huge size of these books,
xerox copies are not feasible or permitted.

All citizens are recorded together (no separation by religion) and
therefore, each book must be searched, page by page. There are no indexes
at all.


Documents Searched

Family lists: 1874-1919 (Files 2529-2550)
Supplemental Reviskiy Skaskiy: 1882-1883 (Files 2608, 2617)
Voter registrations 1892-1897; 1906 (Fond 2496, Opis 1, File 1821)
Property records 1910-1911 (Fond 2496, Opis 1, Files 5133-5134, 5139)
Draft registrations 1892-1896

Moderator's Note: Howard, thanks so much for sharing this valuble
information with the group.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Vitebsk Records found in Minsk #belarus

Howard M. Rensin <hrensin@...>
 

In response to the below Note >from the moderator, I have
scanned and attached to this posting (in text format) a
portion of the letter I got >from the researcher who I part a
rather large sum to, which letter will contain the full
amount of all information I have been able to learn about
the Vitebsk records, as found in the Minsk Archives. This is
the totality of my information.
Again I ask, that if any of you have information of other
records available for Vitebsk and dealing with birth, death,
and/or marriage, to please let me and the group know.
thanks and see below for the scanned text....
Howard


Dear Howard:
The following is a report based upon research in the Belarus State Archives
in Minsk on your behalf.

General Comments
There are no metrical books (registrations of births/marriages/deaths) or
Reviskiy Skaskiy (revision lists/census lists) for Vitebsk. However, we
did find a unique situation here that I have not encountered in any other
archive where I have worked. There is a series of books that consist of
family lists and merchant lists beginning in 1874 with entries up through
1919. Often these books include data froin the 1858 Reviskiy Skaskiy.
Each year, new entries are added for births, marriages, deaths and army
inductions.

There are 88 books in Fond 2496 that were recorded by the Vitebsk Mayor's
office. Many of the books are very big (75 x 50 cm.) Multiple pages are
alloted for each family. Many pages were left blank to allow for the
insertion of new information. Because of the huge size of these books,
xerox copies are not feasible or permitted.

All citizens are recorded together (no separation by religion) and
therefore, each book must be searched, page by page. There are no indexes
at all.


Documents Searched

Family lists: 1874-1919 (Files 2529-2550)
Supplemental Reviskiy Skaskiy: 1882-1883 (Files 2608, 2617)
Voter registrations 1892-1897; 1906 (Fond 2496, Opis 1, File 1821)
Property records 1910-1911 (Fond 2496, Opis 1, Files 5133-5134, 5139)
Draft registrations 1892-1896

Moderator's Note: Howard, thanks so much for sharing this valuble
information with the group.


FW: Belarus Geographic Questions #belarus

Dan Checkman <danc@...>
 

Unfortunately, the only help I can give you is that many of my family
members are buried in the same part of Waldheim Cemetery and that they
came >from Gomel or Vetka (a small "suburb" of Gomel). The only strange
exception to that is that my great-grandmother's birthplace is shown as
"Savitz" on either her death certificate or her daughter's. I have yet
to pinpoint where Savitz is, such that it would be close to Gomel (which
is where all of her siblings were born).

Dan Checkman

Looking for:
(CHAPLOWITZ and variations, JAFFE/SUBECK, RESNICK >from Postavy;
MENDELL and variations >from Vilna;
FABRIKANT/WEISS/DUSKIN >from Gomel/Vetka;
MACK >from Odessa/Tiflis(Tblisi) )


Martin Fischer wrote:
According to a couple old family trees >from my wife's family, her
LEVIN ancestors came >from a place called either Palopokow, Malow,
Russia, or Palupska, Mvolov, Russia. I have tried several atlas sources,
both printed and on-line, but have been unable to find anything like
these names. Does anyone know what they are now called and where are
they located?
(I suspect the place may be in the Mogilev gubernia because some
deceased members of the family are buried in a part of the Waldheim
Cemetery in Forest Park, IL., that is identified as a Mogilov
landsmanshaften cemetery.}


Belarus SIG #Belarus FW: Belarus Geographic Questions #belarus

Dan Checkman <danc@...>
 

Unfortunately, the only help I can give you is that many of my family
members are buried in the same part of Waldheim Cemetery and that they
came >from Gomel or Vetka (a small "suburb" of Gomel). The only strange
exception to that is that my great-grandmother's birthplace is shown as
"Savitz" on either her death certificate or her daughter's. I have yet
to pinpoint where Savitz is, such that it would be close to Gomel (which
is where all of her siblings were born).

Dan Checkman

Looking for:
(CHAPLOWITZ and variations, JAFFE/SUBECK, RESNICK >from Postavy;
MENDELL and variations >from Vilna;
FABRIKANT/WEISS/DUSKIN >from Gomel/Vetka;
MACK >from Odessa/Tiflis(Tblisi) )


Martin Fischer wrote:
According to a couple old family trees >from my wife's family, her
LEVIN ancestors came >from a place called either Palopokow, Malow,
Russia, or Palupska, Mvolov, Russia. I have tried several atlas sources,
both printed and on-line, but have been unable to find anything like
these names. Does anyone know what they are now called and where are
they located?
(I suspect the place may be in the Mogilev gubernia because some
deceased members of the family are buried in a part of the Waldheim
Cemetery in Forest Park, IL., that is identified as a Mogilov
landsmanshaften cemetery.}


DOUEK family #latinamerica

david carlos serruya <serruyaserruya@...>
 

I am looking for members of
the DOUEK - DUEK family
from Aleppo now residing in
SouthAmerica.
My maternal greatgrandfather
was Rabbi Ibrahim Douek
married with Sophia Douek
(c.1850).
Shalom,David Serruya.
sao paulo-Brasil


Latin America #LatinAmerica DOUEK family #latinamerica

david carlos serruya <serruyaserruya@...>
 

I am looking for members of
the DOUEK - DUEK family
from Aleppo now residing in
SouthAmerica.
My maternal greatgrandfather
was Rabbi Ibrahim Douek
married with Sophia Douek
(c.1850).
Shalom,David Serruya.
sao paulo-Brasil


Re: Status of Minsk Records #belarus

Ed Sternin <edik@...>
 

The following is a first-hand information, gathered in two
visits (1993 & 1995) to the Minsk Archives by a personal friend.
Each time he spent several weeks in the archives, researching his own
ancestry. The geography of the ancestry was scattered throughout Belarus,
and so he did not keep track of the state of the specific Revizskie Skazki
(RS) for specific regions of Belarus.

Roughly 1/3 of all RS has survived. The most complete sets are available
for 1834 and 1858; 1890-1900 is represented badly.

On a more hopeful (but disorienting) note:

There is persistent word-of-mouth information that during the Bolshevik
times there was an order to destroy jewish archives, but that SOME
archivists attempted to preserve them by registering them as "russian"
archives. Thus there may be some apparent misrepresentation in the
archival catalogs.

The archives themselves offer a "preliminary" search service for US$50,
further searching is possible and $$ is to be agreed. I will try to
locate the name/address information soon (I am at work now), but I have
not used this service.

------------------------

On another matter altogether:

My family's genealogical society (The World Congress of Sternins) has
forked out $200 for a translation of the name index >from the
Vitebsk izkor book (>from Hebrew). I will put it online, at
http://www.physics.brocku.ca/~edik/sternins.html
(Please give me a few days, it is NOT THERE NOW)

I was going to ask that if you find a name you are interested in to please
donate us $5. This will cover photocopying and sending you a 1-2 pages of
Hebrew text referred to by the index, if you want. Once I recover our
investment, I will permit use of the index freely at JewishGen.

Is this a fair proposal? Please let me know. If you feel it more
appropriate, please reply privately to <edik@brocku.ca>

--------

I am enjoying this list a great deal!

------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed Sternin, Physics Dept, Brock U, St.Catharines, Ontario, L2S 3A1
http://www.physics.BrockU.CA/faculty/sternin.html
voice:(905)688-5550x3414 FAX:(905)682-9020 email: edik@brocku.ca


Belarus SIG #Belarus Re: Status of Minsk Records #belarus

Ed Sternin <edik@...>
 

The following is a first-hand information, gathered in two
visits (1993 & 1995) to the Minsk Archives by a personal friend.
Each time he spent several weeks in the archives, researching his own
ancestry. The geography of the ancestry was scattered throughout Belarus,
and so he did not keep track of the state of the specific Revizskie Skazki
(RS) for specific regions of Belarus.

Roughly 1/3 of all RS has survived. The most complete sets are available
for 1834 and 1858; 1890-1900 is represented badly.

On a more hopeful (but disorienting) note:

There is persistent word-of-mouth information that during the Bolshevik
times there was an order to destroy jewish archives, but that SOME
archivists attempted to preserve them by registering them as "russian"
archives. Thus there may be some apparent misrepresentation in the
archival catalogs.

The archives themselves offer a "preliminary" search service for US$50,
further searching is possible and $$ is to be agreed. I will try to
locate the name/address information soon (I am at work now), but I have
not used this service.

------------------------

On another matter altogether:

My family's genealogical society (The World Congress of Sternins) has
forked out $200 for a translation of the name index >from the
Vitebsk izkor book (>from Hebrew). I will put it online, at
http://www.physics.brocku.ca/~edik/sternins.html
(Please give me a few days, it is NOT THERE NOW)

I was going to ask that if you find a name you are interested in to please
donate us $5. This will cover photocopying and sending you a 1-2 pages of
Hebrew text referred to by the index, if you want. Once I recover our
investment, I will permit use of the index freely at JewishGen.

Is this a fair proposal? Please let me know. If you feel it more
appropriate, please reply privately to <edik@brocku.ca>

--------

I am enjoying this list a great deal!

------------------------------------------------------------------
Ed Sternin, Physics Dept, Brock U, St.Catharines, Ontario, L2S 3A1
http://www.physics.BrockU.CA/faculty/sternin.html
voice:(905)688-5550x3414 FAX:(905)682-9020 email: edik@brocku.ca


Re: latamsig digest: August 27, 1998 #latinamerica

Barbara C. Johnson <barbaracjohnson@...>
 

I am searching for the family of my grandfather's brother --
surname CHOLFIN -- who went to Brazil sometime around 1900. He
was >from Brichany, Moldova (Romania/Bessarabia/Russia). His
mother was SARAH nee ROSEMAN and she remained in Brichany. I
beliee she was >from Cisenau, Moldava (or Romania) originally.
His father was JOSEPH CHOLFIN. He, too, I believe stayed in
Brichany. I know those names are acurate because I have my
grandfather's marriage license (1909, Cambridge, Massachusetts),
in which he identified his mother and father.

My grandfather was SAMUEL CHOLFIN. I know all the facts about
him. He, too, was of couse fromBrichany. It was HIS BROTHER WHO
WENT TO BRAZIL.
Thus, I am searching the the offspring of my grandfather's
brother. I do also know that
an offsrping, also with the name of Samuel Cholfin, at one time
worked for American Machine & Foundry, branch in Brazil, possibly
Sao Paolo. My ex-husband met him in Washington, D.C., at a
meeting of AMF international executives and never got his
address. (No, not the reason for the divorce, which only by
coincidence occurred not long after in the mid-60s, but it
probably is the measure of my ex-s' sensitivity.)
SAMUEL CHOLFIN was AMF's "Man in Brazil." I believe that the
SAMUEL CHOLFIN who worked for AMF was likely named after my
grandfather OR OR OR after the same relative after whom my
grandfather was named. There was ALSO a SAMUEL CHOLFIN in Ohio,
but I he died, according to SSDI records, in the '80s. I do not
believe they were one and the same.

I have checked the Brazil (telespor) and Argentina (just in case)
phonebooks, but have not found any CHOLFINs. It may be that
after the the "AMF" SAMUEL CHOLFIN there were only girl children
and the surnames have changed. (I do not know Brazilian
custom!) After 100 years, I expect the family has adopted
Brazilian customs, as we have adopted North American ones.


Re: Welcome to the Latin American SIG #latinamerica

Bonnie Phelps <bphelps@...>
 

`````````````````
Greetings to all fellow SIG-ers

I am currently looking for any of the following families in Latin
America:

Any descendents of Abraham TIKTIN and Sara ROSEN who emigrated from
Bialystok, Poland to Mexico. While I have many of the direct descendent
names, I would also like to add as many details of descendents and
relatives of spouses, which adds the name STEPENSKY to the tree in the
1940s. I expect to be in Mexico City in February, 1999, and would like
to meet any of my TIKTIN and STEPENSKY relatives.

I am also seeking any information on the name PERELMUTTER in Sao Paolo
Brazil. Specifically, descendents of Sonya PERELMUTTER, nee STUCZINSKI
from Bialystok, Poland.
I think Jose Gutstein has covered the requests for missing links of the
ZIMNOWICZ//SIMNOWITZ family, so I won't repeat that here, other than to
indicate that I am also part of that family tree, descended >from Lejzor
Hersz ZIMNOWICZ and Sora Bluma NADOLNY >from Nowogrod, Poland.

Looking forward to hearing >from all of you.

Bonnie Phelps
bphelps@cais.com


Latin America #LatinAmerica Re: latamsig digest: August 27, 1998 #latinamerica

Barbara C. Johnson <barbaracjohnson@...>
 

I am searching for the family of my grandfather's brother --
surname CHOLFIN -- who went to Brazil sometime around 1900. He
was >from Brichany, Moldova (Romania/Bessarabia/Russia). His
mother was SARAH nee ROSEMAN and she remained in Brichany. I
beliee she was >from Cisenau, Moldava (or Romania) originally.
His father was JOSEPH CHOLFIN. He, too, I believe stayed in
Brichany. I know those names are acurate because I have my
grandfather's marriage license (1909, Cambridge, Massachusetts),
in which he identified his mother and father.

My grandfather was SAMUEL CHOLFIN. I know all the facts about
him. He, too, was of couse fromBrichany. It was HIS BROTHER WHO
WENT TO BRAZIL.
Thus, I am searching the the offspring of my grandfather's
brother. I do also know that
an offsrping, also with the name of Samuel Cholfin, at one time
worked for American Machine & Foundry, branch in Brazil, possibly
Sao Paolo. My ex-husband met him in Washington, D.C., at a
meeting of AMF international executives and never got his
address. (No, not the reason for the divorce, which only by
coincidence occurred not long after in the mid-60s, but it
probably is the measure of my ex-s' sensitivity.)
SAMUEL CHOLFIN was AMF's "Man in Brazil." I believe that the
SAMUEL CHOLFIN who worked for AMF was likely named after my
grandfather OR OR OR after the same relative after whom my
grandfather was named. There was ALSO a SAMUEL CHOLFIN in Ohio,
but I he died, according to SSDI records, in the '80s. I do not
believe they were one and the same.

I have checked the Brazil (telespor) and Argentina (just in case)
phonebooks, but have not found any CHOLFINs. It may be that
after the the "AMF" SAMUEL CHOLFIN there were only girl children
and the surnames have changed. (I do not know Brazilian
custom!) After 100 years, I expect the family has adopted
Brazilian customs, as we have adopted North American ones.


Latin America #LatinAmerica Re: Welcome to the Latin American SIG #latinamerica

Bonnie Phelps <bphelps@...>
 

`````````````````
Greetings to all fellow SIG-ers

I am currently looking for any of the following families in Latin
America:

Any descendents of Abraham TIKTIN and Sara ROSEN who emigrated from
Bialystok, Poland to Mexico. While I have many of the direct descendent
names, I would also like to add as many details of descendents and
relatives of spouses, which adds the name STEPENSKY to the tree in the
1940s. I expect to be in Mexico City in February, 1999, and would like
to meet any of my TIKTIN and STEPENSKY relatives.

I am also seeking any information on the name PERELMUTTER in Sao Paolo
Brazil. Specifically, descendents of Sonya PERELMUTTER, nee STUCZINSKI
from Bialystok, Poland.
I think Jose Gutstein has covered the requests for missing links of the
ZIMNOWICZ//SIMNOWITZ family, so I won't repeat that here, other than to
indicate that I am also part of that family tree, descended >from Lejzor
Hersz ZIMNOWICZ and Sora Bluma NADOLNY >from Nowogrod, Poland.

Looking forward to hearing >from all of you.

Bonnie Phelps
bphelps@cais.com


Mogilev maps #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Dear Corin and others:
The maps were received >from the Library of Congress Map Division.
Even dots on the map (our shtetl had about 30 people) are shown. Besides
the German-Russian maps, I also received some very very old primitive
Mogilev maps (will have to dig for these) only in Russian.
When I showed them to our Mogilev friends, they were rather
amazed as the maps were accurate. They maintained that most of the maps
they had seen were intentionally inaccurate.
The Library of Congress also has a series of aerial photographs
of various Belarus areas. If you send them the coordinates of your
village they can go through and see if the areas are available.
I did this quite some time ago, so I am not sure anymore of
contact numbers or charges. Perhaps someone else on the group can supply
this information.

Schelly Dardashti
dardasht@ix.netcom.com


Corin Goodwin wrote:

Just wondering, where did you get your maps? That's something I don't
have yet but would like to. My BASOK line is >from Orsha, in Mogilev.


Belarus SIG #Belarus Mogilev maps #belarus

dardasht@...
 

Dear Corin and others:
The maps were received >from the Library of Congress Map Division.
Even dots on the map (our shtetl had about 30 people) are shown. Besides
the German-Russian maps, I also received some very very old primitive
Mogilev maps (will have to dig for these) only in Russian.
When I showed them to our Mogilev friends, they were rather
amazed as the maps were accurate. They maintained that most of the maps
they had seen were intentionally inaccurate.
The Library of Congress also has a series of aerial photographs
of various Belarus areas. If you send them the coordinates of your
village they can go through and see if the areas are available.
I did this quite some time ago, so I am not sure anymore of
contact numbers or charges. Perhaps someone else on the group can supply
this information.

Schelly Dardashti
dardasht@ix.netcom.com


Corin Goodwin wrote:

Just wondering, where did you get your maps? That's something I don't
have yet but would like to. My BASOK line is >from Orsha, in Mogilev.


downtime #belarus

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Belarus SIG members:

This is to advise you that the JewishGen servers are being
moved Wednesday or Thursday Sept 2nd or 3rd.

Downtime could be anywhere >from a couple of hours to as much
as 24 hours... depending upon the availability of "volunteers"
to assist with this process and depending on whether it is a
"plug and play" situation, or if we have some unanticipated
technical problems. This will affect all JewishGen services!!!
So please bear with us! We'll be back online as soon as we can.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations


Belarus SIG #Belarus downtime #belarus

Carol Skydell <skydell@...>
 

Belarus SIG members:

This is to advise you that the JewishGen servers are being
moved Wednesday or Thursday Sept 2nd or 3rd.

Downtime could be anywhere >from a couple of hours to as much
as 24 hours... depending upon the availability of "volunteers"
to assist with this process and depending on whether it is a
"plug and play" situation, or if we have some unanticipated
technical problems. This will affect all JewishGen services!!!
So please bear with us! We'll be back online as soon as we can.

Carol Skydell
JewishGen Operations