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Re: Naturalization Question #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

I found that my grandfather (father's side) was naturalized on Oct 10, 1876
yet in the 1900 census it states that he arrived in New York City in 1875. Is
this possible?

Well, the trick is in how you asses the Census record: The fact that its
statiing his arrival date does not mean its a knowledgable answer. Think of
this scene: the census taker knock the door (or bell, if the people were well
to-do) and someone who looks mentaly capable to reply, and speaks English
answers the door. He then asks them to help fill the form. The informant might
have been the sister in law >from Chicago, a neighbor or even a spouse who
doesn't have the exact date, so they all either guess or estimate.

Hence, Census records should always be used with caution; it is not your
grandfather who "stated" 1875, it is the CENSUS record that states this; yes,
it might not be correct!

-Yigal Rechtman


+ Yigal Rechtman email: RECHTMAN@... +
+ www.RECHTMAN.com Mirror site:members.aol.com/rechtman
+ Research: RECHTMAN, Suwalk; Augustow;
+ WYBRANCZYK, Lomza; FOGLEMAN, Riga; MILLER,
+ Mazstrow-Maz., Poland; SHER or MARCUS, Kwarsk, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Naturalization Question #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

I found that my grandfather (father's side) was naturalized on Oct 10, 1876
yet in the 1900 census it states that he arrived in New York City in 1875. Is
this possible?

Well, the trick is in how you asses the Census record: The fact that its
statiing his arrival date does not mean its a knowledgable answer. Think of
this scene: the census taker knock the door (or bell, if the people were well
to-do) and someone who looks mentaly capable to reply, and speaks English
answers the door. He then asks them to help fill the form. The informant might
have been the sister in law >from Chicago, a neighbor or even a spouse who
doesn't have the exact date, so they all either guess or estimate.

Hence, Census records should always be used with caution; it is not your
grandfather who "stated" 1875, it is the CENSUS record that states this; yes,
it might not be correct!

-Yigal Rechtman


+ Yigal Rechtman email: RECHTMAN@... +
+ www.RECHTMAN.com Mirror site:members.aol.com/rechtman
+ Research: RECHTMAN, Suwalk; Augustow;
+ WYBRANCZYK, Lomza; FOGLEMAN, Riga; MILLER,
+ Mazstrow-Maz., Poland; SHER or MARCUS, Kwarsk, Lithuania


Re: Pogrom victims #general

Herb Weisberg <Weisberg.1@...>
 

Are there listings (in English) of the victims of the 1903 pogrom in
Kishinev or other pogroms of that era?

Herb Weisberg
Weisberg.1@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Pogrom victims #general

Herb Weisberg <Weisberg.1@...>
 

Are there listings (in English) of the victims of the 1903 pogrom in
Kishinev or other pogroms of that era?

Herb Weisberg
Weisberg.1@...


frisch-goldstein #general

GMom166 <gmom166@...>
 

I'm a first-generation New Yorker whose mother, Fanny Pillisdorf (nee
Goldstein) came to the city in 1904 >from Hungary at the age of 16. I'm looking
for information about her and her family.Fanny's mother was a Frisch. Can
anyone help? Thanks!
Miriam Alberts Gerber


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen frisch-goldstein #general

GMom166 <gmom166@...>
 

I'm a first-generation New Yorker whose mother, Fanny Pillisdorf (nee
Goldstein) came to the city in 1904 >from Hungary at the age of 16. I'm looking
for information about her and her family.Fanny's mother was a Frisch. Can
anyone help? Thanks!
Miriam Alberts Gerber


Looking for N COHEN #general

Norman Laefer <Laefer@...>
 

N (possibly Nathan) COHEN was living at 569 Grand St. in Manhattan NY
around 1912. He is the only relative of my grandfather that I know of.
If anyone has information about an N Cohen living on the lower east
side of Manhattan during that period I would appreciate hearing >from
them directly.

Norman Laefer
mailto:Laefer@...

Researching:
NOWIK NOVAK MARKMAN FREIBERG MARKOWITZ LESCZHINER LESNER
ROSENFELD
Kiev,Belaya Tserkov,Voladorka/Ukraine

BLATTSTEIN LINDENBAUM WAUTKMAN - Lyuboml/Ukraine
Chelm/Poland
SHAPIRO GIDARSHINIKOF - Gomel,Wolenski/Belarus


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Looking for N COHEN #general

Norman Laefer <Laefer@...>
 

N (possibly Nathan) COHEN was living at 569 Grand St. in Manhattan NY
around 1912. He is the only relative of my grandfather that I know of.
If anyone has information about an N Cohen living on the lower east
side of Manhattan during that period I would appreciate hearing >from
them directly.

Norman Laefer
mailto:Laefer@...

Researching:
NOWIK NOVAK MARKMAN FREIBERG MARKOWITZ LESCZHINER LESNER
ROSENFELD
Kiev,Belaya Tserkov,Voladorka/Ukraine

BLATTSTEIN LINDENBAUM WAUTKMAN - Lyuboml/Ukraine
Chelm/Poland
SHAPIRO GIDARSHINIKOF - Gomel,Wolenski/Belarus


Re: First Name: Szapse? #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

I am looking for a translation as to the firstname of Szapse. The origin is
from Austria and the Hebrew Name would be Yitzchak.
The Hebrew name might have been Yiztchak. Szapse, pron. Shabse is SHABTAI,
dervied >from the word Shabat (a famouse Shabtai was Shabtai Tzvi, a
self-declared Messaiah).

-Yigal Rechtman



+ Yigal Rechtman email: RECHTMAN@... +
+ www.RECHTMAN.com Mirror site:members.aol.com/rechtman
+ Research: RECHTMAN, Suwalk; Augustow;
+ WYBRANCZYK, Lomza; FOGLEMAN, Riga; MILLER,
+ Mazstrow-Maz., Poland; SHER or MARCUS, Kwarsk, Lithuania


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Name: Szapse? #general

Rechtman <rechtman@...>
 

I am looking for a translation as to the firstname of Szapse. The origin is
from Austria and the Hebrew Name would be Yitzchak.
The Hebrew name might have been Yiztchak. Szapse, pron. Shabse is SHABTAI,
dervied >from the word Shabat (a famouse Shabtai was Shabtai Tzvi, a
self-declared Messaiah).

-Yigal Rechtman



+ Yigal Rechtman email: RECHTMAN@... +
+ www.RECHTMAN.com Mirror site:members.aol.com/rechtman
+ Research: RECHTMAN, Suwalk; Augustow;
+ WYBRANCZYK, Lomza; FOGLEMAN, Riga; MILLER,
+ Mazstrow-Maz., Poland; SHER or MARCUS, Kwarsk, Lithuania


Gravestone translation-Help please #general

MARK MICHAELS <Dragon_Michaels@...>
 

I do hope that someone can help.

I have tried to post this on Jewishgen translation service but have been
unable to connect.

The letters were not clear but I have done my
best to decipher them please give it your best guess. There are 2 graves.


Henry Greenburg and his widow Rachel Moses. In particular their respective
fathers hebrew name which look to me to be the same but with faded letters
no vowels and limited hebrew are beyond me! Also typing in english these
charachters run left to right instead of right to left so I have run the
whole line left to right

Rachel died 12/3/1910


taf - resh chet lamed - bet taf - yud cuf vav tuf yud aleph lamed

aleph lamed tet nun chet - chet nun vav daled - bet nun - yud cuf vav tuf
yud aleph lamed

nun pey tet resh hey - shin "cuf - vet - daled resh hey - aleph daled
resh - vet

tet resh ayin - lamed pey cuf

Henry 20/10/1895

vav - chet nun vav daled - vet nun - yud cuf vav tuf yud aleph lamed

vet pey tet resh - indecipherable

chet vav nun vet - lamed tet fey

Just to reiterate these were very unclear so its definitely a best guess
scenario
Very Many Thanks
Mark
Mark J Michaels
Dragon Hotel UK

Dragon_Michaels@...


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Gravestone translation-Help please #general

MARK MICHAELS <Dragon_Michaels@...>
 

I do hope that someone can help.

I have tried to post this on Jewishgen translation service but have been
unable to connect.

The letters were not clear but I have done my
best to decipher them please give it your best guess. There are 2 graves.


Henry Greenburg and his widow Rachel Moses. In particular their respective
fathers hebrew name which look to me to be the same but with faded letters
no vowels and limited hebrew are beyond me! Also typing in english these
charachters run left to right instead of right to left so I have run the
whole line left to right

Rachel died 12/3/1910


taf - resh chet lamed - bet taf - yud cuf vav tuf yud aleph lamed

aleph lamed tet nun chet - chet nun vav daled - bet nun - yud cuf vav tuf
yud aleph lamed

nun pey tet resh hey - shin "cuf - vet - daled resh hey - aleph daled
resh - vet

tet resh ayin - lamed pey cuf

Henry 20/10/1895

vav - chet nun vav daled - vet nun - yud cuf vav tuf yud aleph lamed

vet pey tet resh - indecipherable

chet vav nun vet - lamed tet fey

Just to reiterate these were very unclear so its definitely a best guess
scenario
Very Many Thanks
Mark
Mark J Michaels
Dragon Hotel UK

Dragon_Michaels@...


Chmielnik #general

Lauren and Allan Davis <merlyn@...>
 

David Price wrote:

I have recently made a copy of the lists of names for CHMIELNIKE,
1880-1885 of the LDS family history microfilms #1808864, 1808865 and
1192418. I understand enough of the Russian cyrillic handwriting to look
up a name if anyone is interested to know if birth, marriage or death
vital records are in these films.
I believe the KR-SIG group has listed the names in a journal. Is this
true? I have sent in an application to join the group but I also would
like to have their e-mail address.
David, the Kielce-Radom SIG Journal publishes not index lists of vital
records, but extracts. The difference between the two is that extracts
contain more information. In addition to just a name list, the extracts
will indicate such information as: parents, ages, maiden names, occupations,
towns of origin, marital status. There is an article in the forthcoming
Fall 1998 issue of the Journal that will deal with this subject specifically.

It is important to note that, as with many major genealogy projects, the
KRSIG has thus far worked only a limited number of towns in the region.
Chmielnik is not one of them. We need more researchers willing to perform
record extractions. To date, just a tiny handful of us have done all
the work.

The email address for the KRSIG is <genes@...>
The web page can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/krsig>

Lauren

Lauren B. Eisenberg Davis
<merlyn@...>
Kielce-Radom SIG Research Coordinator


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Chmielnik #general

Lauren and Allan Davis <merlyn@...>
 

David Price wrote:

I have recently made a copy of the lists of names for CHMIELNIKE,
1880-1885 of the LDS family history microfilms #1808864, 1808865 and
1192418. I understand enough of the Russian cyrillic handwriting to look
up a name if anyone is interested to know if birth, marriage or death
vital records are in these films.
I believe the KR-SIG group has listed the names in a journal. Is this
true? I have sent in an application to join the group but I also would
like to have their e-mail address.
David, the Kielce-Radom SIG Journal publishes not index lists of vital
records, but extracts. The difference between the two is that extracts
contain more information. In addition to just a name list, the extracts
will indicate such information as: parents, ages, maiden names, occupations,
towns of origin, marital status. There is an article in the forthcoming
Fall 1998 issue of the Journal that will deal with this subject specifically.

It is important to note that, as with many major genealogy projects, the
KRSIG has thus far worked only a limited number of towns in the region.
Chmielnik is not one of them. We need more researchers willing to perform
record extractions. To date, just a tiny handful of us have done all
the work.

The email address for the KRSIG is <genes@...>
The web page can be found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/krsig>

Lauren

Lauren B. Eisenberg Davis
<merlyn@...>
Kielce-Radom SIG Research Coordinator


Seeking information about Moshe Katz Yiddish Author from South America. #general

NormK12065
 

JGeners,

Possibly some of our South American friends can help me out.

I am seeking information about my deceased Grand Uncle, Yiddish author Moshe
Katz.

I am told that he was born in Poland (possibly Kazimierz Dolny) and had been a
businessman in Heidelberg, Germany. He escaped to Argentina and had been
trained to be a furrier but was also a writer. He had gone to Buenos Aires
and then moved to Cordoba, Argentina. He was listed in the Who's Who of
Argentine writers (I do not have a copy of the listing and do not know which
year). I was also told he was not married until he arrived in Argentina and
possibly was married twice. I do have a picture of him that appeared in an
Argentine Jewish publication. Although the caption is missing I was told it
described him as a "dichter", a poet. I have been loaned >from a family member
a copy of his Yiddish book published in 1946. On the cover is the picture of
the devil and a German Swatztika in a flag stuck in a globe of the earth. I
had the title translated and it is "This is the Way it Began" a novel by Moshe
Katz. It also says "A Novel in 5 Parts". The title of the prolog is "The
Mirror".

No one knows if he had any children but if so I might have some unknown
relatives in South America.

I appreciate any help in gathering information about this relative.

Norm Katz
e-mail: normk12065@...

Searching: Katz - Kazimierz Dolny & Pulawy, Poland
Edelstein - Pulawy, Poland
Gerstein - Pulawy, Poland
Gordon - Possibly the Vilna area
Litvak - Near Kiev, Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking information about Moshe Katz Yiddish Author from South America. #general

NormK12065
 

JGeners,

Possibly some of our South American friends can help me out.

I am seeking information about my deceased Grand Uncle, Yiddish author Moshe
Katz.

I am told that he was born in Poland (possibly Kazimierz Dolny) and had been a
businessman in Heidelberg, Germany. He escaped to Argentina and had been
trained to be a furrier but was also a writer. He had gone to Buenos Aires
and then moved to Cordoba, Argentina. He was listed in the Who's Who of
Argentine writers (I do not have a copy of the listing and do not know which
year). I was also told he was not married until he arrived in Argentina and
possibly was married twice. I do have a picture of him that appeared in an
Argentine Jewish publication. Although the caption is missing I was told it
described him as a "dichter", a poet. I have been loaned >from a family member
a copy of his Yiddish book published in 1946. On the cover is the picture of
the devil and a German Swatztika in a flag stuck in a globe of the earth. I
had the title translated and it is "This is the Way it Began" a novel by Moshe
Katz. It also says "A Novel in 5 Parts". The title of the prolog is "The
Mirror".

No one knows if he had any children but if so I might have some unknown
relatives in South America.

I appreciate any help in gathering information about this relative.

Norm Katz
e-mail: normk12065@...

Searching: Katz - Kazimierz Dolny & Pulawy, Poland
Edelstein - Pulawy, Poland
Gerstein - Pulawy, Poland
Gordon - Possibly the Vilna area
Litvak - Near Kiev, Ukraine


Who is Ernst Gottlieb #general

Mitchell J. Block <m.block@...>
 

In looking through my family's old photo album, family name BLOCK, there
are two photos of a youn man, probably 18-20 years old taken in Holland
around 1938. Judging by the large buildings in the background, I assume
the picture was taken in a city. The inscription says Ernst GOTTLIEB, but
that is all. My father, who was a young boy at the time, has no idea who
this is. There is no one else to ask. I would be happy to send a
photocopy of this picture to anyone who may think they know who this is. I
assume he was related in some way.


BIRGER/BERGER from Kupishok #general

SandyMike <smberg@...>
 

Thanks to the incredible work accomplished by Ann Rabinowitz and others
associated with the Kupishok SIG, within the past week or so my "family
tree" has moved "back" about 125 years as we have added confirmed
identities of my GGGGF, GGGF, GGU, and GGA (and some of their families
and descendants). We have already linked up, via Internet, with a few
formerly unknown cousins in Israel and South Africa. To put it mildly,
it has been an exciting few days.

If you have BIRGER antecedents >from Kupishok Lithuania, please let me
know and we will see how we may all interrelate (excuse the pun).

Mike Berger
smberg@...
Vienna, Virginia


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Who is Ernst Gottlieb #general

Mitchell J. Block <m.block@...>
 

In looking through my family's old photo album, family name BLOCK, there
are two photos of a youn man, probably 18-20 years old taken in Holland
around 1938. Judging by the large buildings in the background, I assume
the picture was taken in a city. The inscription says Ernst GOTTLIEB, but
that is all. My father, who was a young boy at the time, has no idea who
this is. There is no one else to ask. I would be happy to send a
photocopy of this picture to anyone who may think they know who this is. I
assume he was related in some way.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen BIRGER/BERGER from Kupishok #general

SandyMike <smberg@...>
 

Thanks to the incredible work accomplished by Ann Rabinowitz and others
associated with the Kupishok SIG, within the past week or so my "family
tree" has moved "back" about 125 years as we have added confirmed
identities of my GGGGF, GGGF, GGU, and GGA (and some of their families
and descendants). We have already linked up, via Internet, with a few
formerly unknown cousins in Israel and South Africa. To put it mildly,
it has been an exciting few days.

If you have BIRGER antecedents >from Kupishok Lithuania, please let me
know and we will see how we may all interrelate (excuse the pun).

Mike Berger
smberg@...
Vienna, Virginia