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What Genealogy is All About! #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Hi All:

Thanks for the many posts of congratulations upon my wonderful "find"
this morning. One of the posts I received reminded me to remind ALL of
you who subscribe to the online groups. Searching for family includes
not only looking for our "roots" but also looking for our
contemporaries. There is so much more to gain by finding our LIVING
relatives. Yes, we all want a sense of our family history (who came
before us to help to make us who we are today), but it is more of a
mitzvah (blessing, good thing) to bring long lost family back together.
Too often we forget what it was that drove family apart, and only
remember that the divisions exist. In the case of my evergrowing
family, we are ALL long past the problems of our progenitors. Their
problems, their anger, their hurt, has all died with them. We are
guilty of none of that stuff. We are here, we are now, and we should
remember that we all spring >from the same root stock.

Find your living family and rejoice in them, as much -- more, than what
you know of those long gone.

Thank you for this forum which is so helpful, supportive, and constantly
"giving." All of you who are serious about your research know, deep in
your hearts, that what I'm saying is true. Our past is but a memory,
our future is but a hope. TODAY is our reality. Use it to your best
advantage.

Ricki Randall Zunk
Miami, FL


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen What Genealogy is All About! #general

Ricki L. Zunk <rickiz@...>
 

Hi All:

Thanks for the many posts of congratulations upon my wonderful "find"
this morning. One of the posts I received reminded me to remind ALL of
you who subscribe to the online groups. Searching for family includes
not only looking for our "roots" but also looking for our
contemporaries. There is so much more to gain by finding our LIVING
relatives. Yes, we all want a sense of our family history (who came
before us to help to make us who we are today), but it is more of a
mitzvah (blessing, good thing) to bring long lost family back together.
Too often we forget what it was that drove family apart, and only
remember that the divisions exist. In the case of my evergrowing
family, we are ALL long past the problems of our progenitors. Their
problems, their anger, their hurt, has all died with them. We are
guilty of none of that stuff. We are here, we are now, and we should
remember that we all spring >from the same root stock.

Find your living family and rejoice in them, as much -- more, than what
you know of those long gone.

Thank you for this forum which is so helpful, supportive, and constantly
"giving." All of you who are serious about your research know, deep in
your hearts, that what I'm saying is true. Our past is but a memory,
our future is but a hope. TODAY is our reality. Use it to your best
advantage.

Ricki Randall Zunk
Miami, FL


Need Russian Translation #general

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

I have a birth record >from the Polish Archives (got copy >from Family
History Library Microfiche) which is written in Russian (it is not in
Cerilic). Is there anyone who can translate this to English for me ?

Any help would be much appreciated.

David Cooper

Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,FLEISHMAN,POSNER (POIZNER),PRITIKIN
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/o/David--Cooper/


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Need Russian Translation #general

David Cooper <dcooper@...>
 

I have a birth record >from the Polish Archives (got copy >from Family
History Library Microfiche) which is written in Russian (it is not in
Cerilic). Is there anyone who can translate this to English for me ?

Any help would be much appreciated.

David Cooper

Researching: ALLEN,BERZONER,COHEN,COOPER,FLEISHMAN,POSNER (POIZNER),PRITIKIN
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/o/David--Cooper/


Radvan, near Medzilaborce #general

melody gross <melody@...>
 

Does anyone, by chance, know these families who once lived in Radvan,
Slovakia, Radvan is halfway between Medzilaborce and Humenne.

Weinberger, today in the US
Friedman, today in Australia
Yosekovitch, today in California and Australia.

All help is much appreciated!
Melody Amsel Gross, sunny Beersheva, Israel <melody@mail.save-net.co.il>
Searching AMSEL/Stropkov, Michalovce,Vraanov, Bardiov, OLka, Zbudska
Bela,anywhere
BAUM, RITTER, SCHWARTZ, /Stropkov
LANDAU/Humenne
BECKER, ZAZULIA, POLLACK, MORGENSTERN/ Chotin,
Navatselet,Klishkivitz


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Radvan, near Medzilaborce #general

melody gross <melody@...>
 

Does anyone, by chance, know these families who once lived in Radvan,
Slovakia, Radvan is halfway between Medzilaborce and Humenne.

Weinberger, today in the US
Friedman, today in Australia
Yosekovitch, today in California and Australia.

All help is much appreciated!
Melody Amsel Gross, sunny Beersheva, Israel <melody@mail.save-net.co.il>
Searching AMSEL/Stropkov, Michalovce,Vraanov, Bardiov, OLka, Zbudska
Bela,anywhere
BAUM, RITTER, SCHWARTZ, /Stropkov
LANDAU/Humenne
BECKER, ZAZULIA, POLLACK, MORGENSTERN/ Chotin,
Navatselet,Klishkivitz


Re: Jane #general

WHirsch869 <whirsch869@...>
 

Seems we have beat this thing to death. A Hebrew name can be anything, and
need not be related in any way to the English (or whatever) name.

FWIW, I had a great aunt who's name was Jane (in Bavaria). When I found her
gravestone, it turned out that her real name was Marijane (a variant of
Marianne) and her Hebrew name was Miriam.


Werner S. Hirsch, Curator, Jewish Historical Soc. of Gr. New Haven (CT)
http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/
Reply to: <whirsch869@aol.com> or <whirsch@snet.net>

MODERATOR NOTE: End of thread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Jane #general

WHirsch869 <whirsch869@...>
 

Seems we have beat this thing to death. A Hebrew name can be anything, and
need not be related in any way to the English (or whatever) name.

FWIW, I had a great aunt who's name was Jane (in Bavaria). When I found her
gravestone, it turned out that her real name was Marijane (a variant of
Marianne) and her Hebrew name was Miriam.


Werner S. Hirsch, Curator, Jewish Historical Soc. of Gr. New Haven (CT)
http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/
Reply to: <whirsch869@aol.com> or <whirsch@snet.net>

MODERATOR NOTE: End of thread.


Re: A shtetl called Grundy?? #general

armata@...
 

Does anyone know of a town which might have been
pronounced like "Grundy"?
[That is the way is written on the Naturalization papers
1905 - 1915] They renounce the Czar although present
day members of this family always believed the family came
from Poland. That narrows the geography but there are still
many possibilites to those unfamiliar with the pronounciation.
Lois Sernoff [Phila., PA, US] <JGLois@aol.com>

The "un" in "Grundy" might represent the Polish nasal "a" vowel. Grady
(with a hook under the "a", showing it's nasal), is pronounced in literary
Polish close to "Grondy", and in dialects can be pronounced "Grundy".

There are several Grady in former Russian Poland: near Plock, near
Ostrow Mazowiecki, near Suwalki, and near Lublin, there may be others too.

Joe Armata
armata@vms.cis.pitt.edu


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: A shtetl called Grundy?? #general

armata@...
 

Does anyone know of a town which might have been
pronounced like "Grundy"?
[That is the way is written on the Naturalization papers
1905 - 1915] They renounce the Czar although present
day members of this family always believed the family came
from Poland. That narrows the geography but there are still
many possibilites to those unfamiliar with the pronounciation.
Lois Sernoff [Phila., PA, US] <JGLois@aol.com>

The "un" in "Grundy" might represent the Polish nasal "a" vowel. Grady
(with a hook under the "a", showing it's nasal), is pronounced in literary
Polish close to "Grondy", and in dialects can be pronounced "Grundy".

There are several Grady in former Russian Poland: near Plock, near
Ostrow Mazowiecki, near Suwalki, and near Lublin, there may be others too.

Joe Armata
armata@vms.cis.pitt.edu


University Libraries and Genealogy and Family History Research Worldwide. #general

vctinney@...
 

Hi Genealogists and Family Historians:

There is a discussion going on about the use of
University Libraries for genealogical research.
May I suggest the following sites will give
examples and information that will open up
the use of University Library systems for this
specific purpose. You will note many scholarly
resources are available for your benefit.

LIBRARIES at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/archive2.htm

LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/media.htm

Archives and Library Resources at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/archives.htm

DOCUMENTATION AND PUBLICATIONS at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/sources.htm

SEARCH ENGINES at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/searchen.htm

GENEALOGY and HISTORY at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/geneal.htm

Respectfully yours,
Tom Tinney, Sr.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen University Libraries and Genealogy and Family History Research Worldwide. #general

vctinney@...
 

Hi Genealogists and Family Historians:

There is a discussion going on about the use of
University Libraries for genealogical research.
May I suggest the following sites will give
examples and information that will open up
the use of University Library systems for this
specific purpose. You will note many scholarly
resources are available for your benefit.

LIBRARIES at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/archive2.htm

LIBRARIES AND MUSEUMS at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/media.htm

Archives and Library Resources at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/archives.htm

DOCUMENTATION AND PUBLICATIONS at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/sources.htm

SEARCH ENGINES at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/searchen.htm

GENEALOGY and HISTORY at:
http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~vctinney/geneal.htm

Respectfully yours,
Tom Tinney, Sr.


"Locaria"->Lucania ? #general

NFatouros@...
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

Toward the end of May, I think, Marvin Fishman asked about the ship he
called the "Locaria." In response, I wrote in part:

<It is possible that the ship "Locaria" you mentioned in your recent
message was really the "Lucania." Sometime ago, I subscribed to a couple of
mail groups concerned with liners and ships, only because I'd wanted
information about the ship in the steerage compartment of which my father came
to the US with his two brothers and mother.

In response to my message this is what a Rudy Friedrich wrote:

<<H.H. Meier; built by Armstrong, Mitchell; Walker on Tyne. Lau. Oct 19,
1891 as Lucania. sold to NDL [North German Lloyd Line) 1892 with payments from
other ships.
Dec 27, 1892- Maiden voyage Bremerhaven-Southampton-Buenos Aires. Did
transatlantics also to New York.
Renamed 1901 as Manuel Calvo, Cia Trasatlantica. Spain-Cuba-New York.
Damaged by mine off Turkey Mar 29, 1919, with 151 lost.
Scrapped in Spain Dec 1959 after ending career as a freighter 1939 onward.>>

Then I got another response >from someone named "Alan."

<<Here's a bit more info on the H.H. Meier:

She was named in honor of NDL's founder who died in 1898. First twin screw
ship for NDL. Old ships Hermann (dating >from 1864) and General Werder
(1874), were both delivered to Armstrong, Mitchell as partial payment. Her
original Capt, Max Moeller later became an Inspector in Hoboken (1927).

She was chartered to Spain for eleven voyages to return troops and residents
from her lost colonies.
After the 1919 mine accident, when she had mostly Russian refugees onboard,
she was repaired in Turkey. In 1937 she was laid up in Minorca. In 1939 she
was rebuilt as a freighter at Cadiz. In 1950 she was laid up again, this time
in Santander. In 1952 she was renamed Drago as a coal carrier by Soc.
Mercantil Transoceanica Hispana, SI, Barcelona. In 1956 she was converted to
a coal firer. In 12/58, she was sold yet again to Manuel Varela of Bilbao
for breaking up.

It is said that her original H.H. Meier's ship's bell was still aboard and in
place.>>

Recently I wrote to a dealer in ship memorabilia about another matter
entirely. The dealer was very pleasant and helpful, so I ventured to ask
about Mr. Fishman's "Locaria."

This was the reply:

<<I would suggest a better candidate for the "mystery ship" is RMS Laconia.
There were two Cunard vessels by this name; the first sailed >from 1912 -
1917, when she was sunk by a German sub. The second vessel was completed in
1922, and sailed until 1942. She also was torpedoed, and there was a
tremendous loss of life. She was carrying 1,800 Italian POW's in addition
to her crew, and only 163 persons survived. This was one of the worst
war-time sinkings.

The second ship sailed mainly >from Liverpool to NY & Boston via Cobh
(Queenstown), Ireland, but also, for a time in 1923, made voyages from
Hamburg to Southampton & NY.

Of course, you could be correct, and the ship could have been Cunard's
Lucania. The sailing dates would certainly help determine which one it is.>>

I hope all this information about ship's names does not add to Mr.
Fishman's genealogical problems!

Naomi Fatouros
NFatouros@aol.com
98/09/04

BELKOWSKY of Tel-Aviv, Odessa, Kiev, Moscow, Berdichev; LEVY, WEIL, WILLARD
of Mulhouse, Altkirch, Seppois le Bas, Alsace; FELDMAN of "Chelsetz?" (
Kulczyce or Kulchitse or Kulcici?), near L'viv; MEEROVNA of Berdichev(?);
RAPPAPORT or RAPOPORT of Jaffa, Palestine, Podvolochisk and Ternopil; SAS, of
Podwolochisk; ROTHSTEIN, LIBERMAN >from Kiev and Moscow; ZUSMAN or SUSSMAN of
Tel-Aviv and Odessa.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Locaria"->Lucania ? #general

NFatouros@...
 

Dear Jewishgenners,

Toward the end of May, I think, Marvin Fishman asked about the ship he
called the "Locaria." In response, I wrote in part:

<It is possible that the ship "Locaria" you mentioned in your recent
message was really the "Lucania." Sometime ago, I subscribed to a couple of
mail groups concerned with liners and ships, only because I'd wanted
information about the ship in the steerage compartment of which my father came
to the US with his two brothers and mother.

In response to my message this is what a Rudy Friedrich wrote:

<<H.H. Meier; built by Armstrong, Mitchell; Walker on Tyne. Lau. Oct 19,
1891 as Lucania. sold to NDL [North German Lloyd Line) 1892 with payments from
other ships.
Dec 27, 1892- Maiden voyage Bremerhaven-Southampton-Buenos Aires. Did
transatlantics also to New York.
Renamed 1901 as Manuel Calvo, Cia Trasatlantica. Spain-Cuba-New York.
Damaged by mine off Turkey Mar 29, 1919, with 151 lost.
Scrapped in Spain Dec 1959 after ending career as a freighter 1939 onward.>>

Then I got another response >from someone named "Alan."

<<Here's a bit more info on the H.H. Meier:

She was named in honor of NDL's founder who died in 1898. First twin screw
ship for NDL. Old ships Hermann (dating >from 1864) and General Werder
(1874), were both delivered to Armstrong, Mitchell as partial payment. Her
original Capt, Max Moeller later became an Inspector in Hoboken (1927).

She was chartered to Spain for eleven voyages to return troops and residents
from her lost colonies.
After the 1919 mine accident, when she had mostly Russian refugees onboard,
she was repaired in Turkey. In 1937 she was laid up in Minorca. In 1939 she
was rebuilt as a freighter at Cadiz. In 1950 she was laid up again, this time
in Santander. In 1952 she was renamed Drago as a coal carrier by Soc.
Mercantil Transoceanica Hispana, SI, Barcelona. In 1956 she was converted to
a coal firer. In 12/58, she was sold yet again to Manuel Varela of Bilbao
for breaking up.

It is said that her original H.H. Meier's ship's bell was still aboard and in
place.>>

Recently I wrote to a dealer in ship memorabilia about another matter
entirely. The dealer was very pleasant and helpful, so I ventured to ask
about Mr. Fishman's "Locaria."

This was the reply:

<<I would suggest a better candidate for the "mystery ship" is RMS Laconia.
There were two Cunard vessels by this name; the first sailed >from 1912 -
1917, when she was sunk by a German sub. The second vessel was completed in
1922, and sailed until 1942. She also was torpedoed, and there was a
tremendous loss of life. She was carrying 1,800 Italian POW's in addition
to her crew, and only 163 persons survived. This was one of the worst
war-time sinkings.

The second ship sailed mainly >from Liverpool to NY & Boston via Cobh
(Queenstown), Ireland, but also, for a time in 1923, made voyages from
Hamburg to Southampton & NY.

Of course, you could be correct, and the ship could have been Cunard's
Lucania. The sailing dates would certainly help determine which one it is.>>

I hope all this information about ship's names does not add to Mr.
Fishman's genealogical problems!

Naomi Fatouros
NFatouros@aol.com
98/09/04

BELKOWSKY of Tel-Aviv, Odessa, Kiev, Moscow, Berdichev; LEVY, WEIL, WILLARD
of Mulhouse, Altkirch, Seppois le Bas, Alsace; FELDMAN of "Chelsetz?" (
Kulczyce or Kulchitse or Kulcici?), near L'viv; MEEROVNA of Berdichev(?);
RAPPAPORT or RAPOPORT of Jaffa, Palestine, Podvolochisk and Ternopil; SAS, of
Podwolochisk; ROTHSTEIN, LIBERMAN >from Kiev and Moscow; ZUSMAN or SUSSMAN of
Tel-Aviv and Odessa.


Searching: ZLATKIN (Byelorussia) #general

carole michaud <never@...>
 

Hi, I'm presently trying to do my children's family history and I would
greatly appreciate your help on finding their roots. I don't even have any
idea where to begin, so I'm letting you know the information that I do
have, in case you could somewhat help me.
Father's name : Jerry Slatkin Jr.
Grandfather : Jerry Zlatkin (Joseph); he had a brother named Ralph Zlatkin
Great-Grandparents : Roman Zlatkin, he was born in Byelorussia during
the revolution his mother ran to Poland with him to save their lives. He
married Debbrah-Linda ?.....She was gased in the concentration camps. The
two boys where put in concentration camps, where they both survived. Roman
Zlatkin, was also in a concentration camp. After the war, Roman, Jerry and
Ralph reunited and came to Montrial, Canada.
Great-great-great-grandfather : Boris Zlatkin, >from Byelorussia, he was
killed during the revolution.

This is all I have to go on, so if anybody can give me any information, I'd
be very greatful. Thank You very much,
Carole Michaud >from Montreal, Canada.

MODERATOR NOTE: The best way to go >from here is to the resources
found in JewishGen. There is a wealth of information to help you
further your research. You can get a list of all the resources
available by accessing our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org

Under the heading RESEARCH you will find : FamilyFinder where you
can search for other people researching the same surnames.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: ZLATKIN (Byelorussia) #general

carole michaud <never@...>
 

Hi, I'm presently trying to do my children's family history and I would
greatly appreciate your help on finding their roots. I don't even have any
idea where to begin, so I'm letting you know the information that I do
have, in case you could somewhat help me.
Father's name : Jerry Slatkin Jr.
Grandfather : Jerry Zlatkin (Joseph); he had a brother named Ralph Zlatkin
Great-Grandparents : Roman Zlatkin, he was born in Byelorussia during
the revolution his mother ran to Poland with him to save their lives. He
married Debbrah-Linda ?.....She was gased in the concentration camps. The
two boys where put in concentration camps, where they both survived. Roman
Zlatkin, was also in a concentration camp. After the war, Roman, Jerry and
Ralph reunited and came to Montrial, Canada.
Great-great-great-grandfather : Boris Zlatkin, >from Byelorussia, he was
killed during the revolution.

This is all I have to go on, so if anybody can give me any information, I'd
be very greatful. Thank You very much,
Carole Michaud >from Montreal, Canada.

MODERATOR NOTE: The best way to go >from here is to the resources
found in JewishGen. There is a wealth of information to help you
further your research. You can get a list of all the resources
available by accessing our home page at http://www.jewishgen.org

Under the heading RESEARCH you will find : FamilyFinder where you
can search for other people researching the same surnames.


Re: First Names Ruchele, Leibel #general

MBernet@...
 

<<Can anyone give me the English for the following first names:
Ruchele
Leibel >>

==There is, of course--as many keep pointing out--no "English" for somebody's first name.

HOWEVER

Ruchele is generally a diminutive of Rochel/Rachel

Leibel is a diminuitive of Leib which is likely to be a variation on Loeb
which is German for "Lion." Very likely this ancestor was known as Leib-Aryeh or Yehuda-Leib. To understand the Yehuda--Aryeh--Lion connection, see Genesis, one or two chapters >from the end, where Jacob refers to his son Judah as a lion cub (gur aryeh)

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.

MODERATOR NOTE: End of thread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: First Names Ruchele, Leibel #general

MBernet@...
 

<<Can anyone give me the English for the following first names:
Ruchele
Leibel >>

==There is, of course--as many keep pointing out--no "English" for somebody's first name.

HOWEVER

Ruchele is generally a diminutive of Rochel/Rachel

Leibel is a diminuitive of Leib which is likely to be a variation on Loeb
which is German for "Lion." Very likely this ancestor was known as Leib-Aryeh or Yehuda-Leib. To understand the Yehuda--Aryeh--Lion connection, see Genesis, one or two chapters >from the end, where Jacob refers to his son Judah as a lion cub (gur aryeh)

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF[F] Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt, Antwerp, Rotterdam
WOLF, Sali & Rachel, Rotterdam, murdered by Dr. Petiot, Paris ca 1942
WEIL[L], Albert, Fr. hon. consul in Nurnberg; returned to France 1936/7.

MODERATOR NOTE: End of thread.


Re: FORMAN and CHAVIN #general

Dolores Palomo <sphinx@...>
 

You should certainly try the 1920 Census, and then use NYC Directories
for some years between 1906 and 1920. If you can find an address, you
will then be able to find them on a 1910 census. If you can figure
out probably year of marriage, you can use either the bride or groom
indexes for the NYC area. All this you can do at the LDS Family
History Center nearest you.

Hope this is helpful.
Dolores Palomo


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: FORMAN and CHAVIN #general

Dolores Palomo <sphinx@...>
 

You should certainly try the 1920 Census, and then use NYC Directories
for some years between 1906 and 1920. If you can find an address, you
will then be able to find them on a 1910 census. If you can figure
out probably year of marriage, you can use either the bride or groom
indexes for the NYC area. All this you can do at the LDS Family
History Center nearest you.

Hope this is helpful.
Dolores Palomo