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Report from Auschwitz #general

HOLORO@...
 

I cried this afternoon in Auschwitz. This was not in my game plan.

My emotions started churning when I walked through the gate with the sign
overhead, "Arbeit Macht Frei", Work Makes You Free. I've seen pictures of the
sign many times, but walking under it, as so many of my family did, was
different.

I put on my yarmulka, which had been given out at my father's eightieth
birthday in 1979. I could have worn my hat, but I didn't want anyone to doubt
that I was a Jew.

After a short walk I came to a huge mound of earth with a chimney sticking out
of the top. Descending a stairway brought me into the gas chamber. There were
holes in the ceiling where canisters of gas were dropped on the unsuspecting
prisoners. I walked into the next room where the ovens consumed the bodies.

There was a conveyor belt, used to carry the bodies into the oven. On the belt
had been placed bouquets of flowers and some lighted Yahrzeit candles.

I started to recite the Mourner's Kaddish for the RUDEK (ROSEN), WAJS (WEISS),
MORDCHAJEWICZ, NOSKOWITZ and GORZEWSKI family members who died there. Half way
through, I started sobbing and I couldn't continue. After a while, I was to
able to finish the prayer.

After exiting the gas/oven chambers I continued through rows of prison
barracks. A number of them were utilized for displays of what the poor souls
went through. Any descriptions will have to wait for another time.

I'm glad that I was there on a week day. There were a great number of busses
full of Polish school children, ages fourteen to seventeen. I understand that
the Polish government mandates that all teenage children must visit the camp.

In addition to many Polish adults, I encountered a group of Norwegians, and
another of Japanese. There also was a bus load of German youths, seventeen and
eighteen years old.

Tomorrow morning, Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Howard L. Rosen holoro@aol.com
Mountainside, NJ

I planned to stay two hours, but instead was there for five, when the camp was
closed to visitors.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Report from Auschwitz #general

HOLORO@...
 

I cried this afternoon in Auschwitz. This was not in my game plan.

My emotions started churning when I walked through the gate with the sign
overhead, "Arbeit Macht Frei", Work Makes You Free. I've seen pictures of the
sign many times, but walking under it, as so many of my family did, was
different.

I put on my yarmulka, which had been given out at my father's eightieth
birthday in 1979. I could have worn my hat, but I didn't want anyone to doubt
that I was a Jew.

After a short walk I came to a huge mound of earth with a chimney sticking out
of the top. Descending a stairway brought me into the gas chamber. There were
holes in the ceiling where canisters of gas were dropped on the unsuspecting
prisoners. I walked into the next room where the ovens consumed the bodies.

There was a conveyor belt, used to carry the bodies into the oven. On the belt
had been placed bouquets of flowers and some lighted Yahrzeit candles.

I started to recite the Mourner's Kaddish for the RUDEK (ROSEN), WAJS (WEISS),
MORDCHAJEWICZ, NOSKOWITZ and GORZEWSKI family members who died there. Half way
through, I started sobbing and I couldn't continue. After a while, I was to
able to finish the prayer.

After exiting the gas/oven chambers I continued through rows of prison
barracks. A number of them were utilized for displays of what the poor souls
went through. Any descriptions will have to wait for another time.

I'm glad that I was there on a week day. There were a great number of busses
full of Polish school children, ages fourteen to seventeen. I understand that
the Polish government mandates that all teenage children must visit the camp.

In addition to many Polish adults, I encountered a group of Norwegians, and
another of Japanese. There also was a bus load of German youths, seventeen and
eighteen years old.

Tomorrow morning, Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Howard L. Rosen holoro@aol.com
Mountainside, NJ

I planned to stay two hours, but instead was there for five, when the camp was
closed to visitors.


Kotish Money #general

roberta F Ponn <bobbiefp@...>
 

Could some kind genner tell me the meaning of the above phrase.? It was
used in a will (c1893) to describe money left to the Hebrew Union College
in memory of the will writer and his deceased wife. We do not have any
ideas.

Roberta Ponn
Jackson,MI


Re: What are banns? #general

torrance@...
 

The Andersons wrote:

To my knowledge, bans or banns are a notice ...

They are a good idea.

Here in New Zealand I have not heard of them being read or posted, but
do know of them >from general reading etc.

However, a marriage licence must be obtained >from the governmental
authorities (yes, a form of tax) a certain period before the intended
marriage.

Alan Torrance
Auckland
New Zealand


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Kotish Money #general

roberta F Ponn <bobbiefp@...>
 

Could some kind genner tell me the meaning of the above phrase.? It was
used in a will (c1893) to describe money left to the Hebrew Union College
in memory of the will writer and his deceased wife. We do not have any
ideas.

Roberta Ponn
Jackson,MI


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What are banns? #general

torrance@...
 

The Andersons wrote:

To my knowledge, bans or banns are a notice ...

They are a good idea.

Here in New Zealand I have not heard of them being read or posted, but
do know of them >from general reading etc.

However, a marriage licence must be obtained >from the governmental
authorities (yes, a form of tax) a certain period before the intended
marriage.

Alan Torrance
Auckland
New Zealand


Re: Boguelavicik #lithuania

Gil and Marcia DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

I just received my gmother's naturalization papers >from 1925. On the
Declaration of Intention it indicates she was born in Boguelavicik, on
the Petition for Citizenship, the town is spelled Boguelavick and
Bogoelavick.

I could not find any of these spellings or anything close in Chester
Cohen's Shtetl Finder, or in JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker. However, in
Schoenburg's Lithuanian Jewish Communities there is a Bogoslavishok
which is also in the ShtetlSeeker. Is Bogoslavishok the same as
Boguelavicik?

Thank you,
Marcia KATZEL DeVries
Coarsegold, Calif.
marciadv@sierratel.com


Lithuania SIG #Lithuania re: Boguelavicik #lithuania

Gil and Marcia DeVries <marciadv@...>
 

I just received my gmother's naturalization papers >from 1925. On the
Declaration of Intention it indicates she was born in Boguelavicik, on
the Petition for Citizenship, the town is spelled Boguelavick and
Bogoelavick.

I could not find any of these spellings or anything close in Chester
Cohen's Shtetl Finder, or in JewishGen's ShtetlSeeker. However, in
Schoenburg's Lithuanian Jewish Communities there is a Bogoslavishok
which is also in the ShtetlSeeker. Is Bogoslavishok the same as
Boguelavicik?

Thank you,
Marcia KATZEL DeVries
Coarsegold, Calif.
marciadv@sierratel.com


copy cards free to good home #general

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

I'm trying to reduce clutter & have some copy cards I'm not likely to use
again for the foreseeable future. If you can use one, tell me which one &
your snail-address. I have:

U. of Minnesota in the Twin Cities MN
2 >from Emory U., Atlanta GA

The U MN card should have a fair amount on it, the Emory cards are
probably pretty taped out, but they cost 50 cents to get.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Private responses only, please.


Re: What are banns? #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

In Fort William in Scotland, I have certainly seen the banns of the
marriage posted on the noticeboard outside the church.

Nick Landau
London England

Harold Pollins and others wrote about marriage banns:


"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" ==Kinnuy? #general

MBernet@...
 

"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" . . . .

All three names are derived >from the German Suess = sweet.

Can anyone tell me with what Hebrew name it is associated as kinnuy? Was it
relatively more common in certain areas or eras?

My earliest known ancestor (forgetting Adam and Eve<g>) was Suessel (ben)
Hirsch of Frensdorf, Bavaria (near Bamberg), born ca 1645. Suessel's children
all were known by their patronymic, Suesslein .

TIA

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen copy cards free to good home #general

Irene Newhouse <newhoir@...>
 

I'm trying to reduce clutter & have some copy cards I'm not likely to use
again for the foreseeable future. If you can use one, tell me which one &
your snail-address. I have:

U. of Minnesota in the Twin Cities MN
2 >from Emory U., Atlanta GA

The U MN card should have a fair amount on it, the Emory cards are
probably pretty taped out, but they cost 50 cents to get.

Irene Newhouse
Kihei HI

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Private responses only, please.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: What are banns? #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

In Fort William in Scotland, I have certainly seen the banns of the
marriage posted on the noticeboard outside the church.

Nick Landau
London England

Harold Pollins and others wrote about marriage banns:


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen "Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" ==Kinnuy? #general

MBernet@...
 

"Suess," Suessel" (Zissel), and Suesslein" . . . .

All three names are derived >from the German Suess = sweet.

Can anyone tell me with what Hebrew name it is associated as kinnuy? Was it
relatively more common in certain areas or eras?

My earliest known ancestor (forgetting Adam and Eve<g>) was Suessel (ben)
Hirsch of Frensdorf, Bavaria (near Bamberg), born ca 1645. Suessel's children
all were known by their patronymic, Suesslein .

TIA

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

BERNET, BERNAT, BAERNET etc >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, (Bavaria)
KONIGSHOFER: Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
ALTMANN: Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan, Beuthen--Upper Silesia/Poland
WOLF(F): Frankfurt, Wurzburg, Furth, Yugoslavia, Westchester


Re: beadle #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

In article <E0zS4Am-0000Tr-00@sand2.global.net.uk>,
pollins@globalnet.co.uk (Harold Pollins) wrote:

In our London shul (West Ham) the beadle was the name given to the shamass.
In our case during the service he arranged for aliyot, tried to keep order,
handed out siddurim etc. ours was also a mohel and went round collecting
siubscriptions for the shul and Hebrew classes.

Harold Pollins
Oxford England
pollins@globalnet.co.uk

The idea that Michael Bernet propounds that the shamass is an exalted
person, is I would say far >from the truth. No doubt the job of shamass is
important but I think that his view is being clouded by sentimentality.

Dylan Thomas has a story about the verger, actually, of a church who holds
down his job successfully for many years. Then there is a new minister and
he finds out that the verger cannot read. The minister says that we must
have a verger who can read.

So the verger loses his job and has to find something else to do. He goes
and buys a tobacconist/sweet shop. He does very well at this and eventually
he has three or four tobacconists in the town. He then realises that he
better open up a bank account, so he goes along to the local bank. The
manager is amazed when he asks the man to sign his signature that the man
can't write.

The manager then asks the former verger what he would have been if he
*could* write. He replies "The verger of St John's".

Well, I've heard exactly the same story told about a shammas.

Nick

MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'm not sure what the genealogical significance of this
thread and story is but this 'beadle' (moderator) is ending the thread.


Ship's records Panama Canal #general

saralea altman <saralea@...>
 

Ships that sailed through the Panama Canal to the west coast of the US.
If they originated in Europe, were the records separate and does any one
know if they are obtainable for the 1880's?

saralea altman


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: beadle #general

Nick Landau <nick@...>
 

In article <E0zS4Am-0000Tr-00@sand2.global.net.uk>,
pollins@globalnet.co.uk (Harold Pollins) wrote:

In our London shul (West Ham) the beadle was the name given to the shamass.
In our case during the service he arranged for aliyot, tried to keep order,
handed out siddurim etc. ours was also a mohel and went round collecting
siubscriptions for the shul and Hebrew classes.

Harold Pollins
Oxford England
pollins@globalnet.co.uk

The idea that Michael Bernet propounds that the shamass is an exalted
person, is I would say far >from the truth. No doubt the job of shamass is
important but I think that his view is being clouded by sentimentality.

Dylan Thomas has a story about the verger, actually, of a church who holds
down his job successfully for many years. Then there is a new minister and
he finds out that the verger cannot read. The minister says that we must
have a verger who can read.

So the verger loses his job and has to find something else to do. He goes
and buys a tobacconist/sweet shop. He does very well at this and eventually
he has three or four tobacconists in the town. He then realises that he
better open up a bank account, so he goes along to the local bank. The
manager is amazed when he asks the man to sign his signature that the man
can't write.

The manager then asks the former verger what he would have been if he
*could* write. He replies "The verger of St John's".

Well, I've heard exactly the same story told about a shammas.

Nick

MODERATOR'S NOTE: I'm not sure what the genealogical significance of this
thread and story is but this 'beadle' (moderator) is ending the thread.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Ship's records Panama Canal #general

saralea altman <saralea@...>
 

Ships that sailed through the Panama Canal to the west coast of the US.
If they originated in Europe, were the records separate and does any one
know if they are obtainable for the 1880's?

saralea altman


Genealogy of famous people #general

Moshe Wolf <womoshe@...>
 

Hi!
Where I can found the roots or the descendants of:
RASHI (R Shlomo Yizhaki)
BACH (R Yoel Sirkish)
The MAHARAM >from Padowa (R Meir Katsenelboigen)
The MAHARAL >from Prague (R Yehuda Liva).

Can I find this details on the Net?
TIA
Moshe Wolf


Re: Reb, Rav #general

Ben Saltman <bhsalt@...>
 

On Tue, 13 Oct 1998, Helen Saltman wrote:


Thanks to all who clarified the distincetion between the title of honor
and the actual designation of Rabbi.

Helen Saltman