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Re: Good old fashioned research #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Simchat Torah is a time for hope! We have just survived Yom Kippur with
its philosophy of "a time to live and time to die".

I feel I must support Suzanne. You must not give up - even though not all
searches end in joy. In my opinion knowing is invariably better than
guessing, and only if you search, have you a chance to find out.

Over the past three years I was blessed in being able to help a number of
people. By sheer coincidence one wrote to me today:

"my internal life has flourished and I owe a great deal of that to you
and Margaret. It's been a little over two years that I met my mother.
Boy that was tough. If you want to know the truth, I really didn't
expect to find her alive. I expected you to eventually come up with
some proof that she died in some way. That would have given me the
closure I needed and also allowed me to continue the fantasy of
what a
wonderful, kind and loving mother I had who was forced to give me up
for some fantastic reason. I went there with "blinders" on so happy
that I finally had a mother like everyone else. She could have been
the devil himself and I would have embraced her with open arms and
asked for her love and acceptance. Actually, she's not that far from
it. I feel some how that I was blessed with finding you and through
you, her. "

Shana Tova!

David Lewin


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Good old fashioned research #general

David Lewin <davidlewin@...>
 

Simchat Torah is a time for hope! We have just survived Yom Kippur with
its philosophy of "a time to live and time to die".

I feel I must support Suzanne. You must not give up - even though not all
searches end in joy. In my opinion knowing is invariably better than
guessing, and only if you search, have you a chance to find out.

Over the past three years I was blessed in being able to help a number of
people. By sheer coincidence one wrote to me today:

"my internal life has flourished and I owe a great deal of that to you
and Margaret. It's been a little over two years that I met my mother.
Boy that was tough. If you want to know the truth, I really didn't
expect to find her alive. I expected you to eventually come up with
some proof that she died in some way. That would have given me the
closure I needed and also allowed me to continue the fantasy of
what a
wonderful, kind and loving mother I had who was forced to give me up
for some fantastic reason. I went there with "blinders" on so happy
that I finally had a mother like everyone else. She could have been
the devil himself and I would have embraced her with open arms and
asked for her love and acceptance. Actually, she's not that far from
it. I feel some how that I was blessed with finding you and through
you, her. "

Shana Tova!

David Lewin


Re: Good old fashioned research #general

Adelle Gloger
 

On Oct. 11,1998 James Gross wrote:

It may be my imagination, but it seems that several people
are using surname posts as a way of making contact with
distant relatives.
I may be a bit dense, but isn't that the purpose of this list and genealogy
in general--to connect with the past weather it be with direct relatives or
distant relatives in order to better know who we are and where we came >from ?
By posting here (and other places) I was able to connect my late mother's
cousin who I had only heard about, but never met. She lives in Philadelphia.
Through her I have met cousins I never knew existed.
Not all names and places are listed on the JGFF, so as a last resort
surname posts are essential.
Thank goodness for JewishGen !




Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Re: Good old fashioned research #general

Nicole Berline <berline@...>
 

dear Suzanne
I was very interested by your lettrer, since I have a similar
experience: my mother's family was destroyed during the
holocaust, and since then we ( my sister and I) have been unable to
find anybody who
might have survived or just somebody who might have known this family
in Warszawa. So far the forum has not turned anything substantial, but
at least I have some threads, and also it is very comforting to read
the letters posted by people in the same situation, like yourself.
Nevertheless, I wonder if it would not be more efficient to have two
distinct forums: one for true genealogists, and one for people searching
relatives, survivors , yzkor's books, etc... Or is there such a forum ?
( I did not find any on the Net)

best regards

Nicole Berline
berline@math.polytechnique.fr
tel 01 69 33 49 65
fax 01 69 33 30 19


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Good old fashioned research #general

Adelle Gloger
 

On Oct. 11,1998 James Gross wrote:

It may be my imagination, but it seems that several people
are using surname posts as a way of making contact with
distant relatives.
I may be a bit dense, but isn't that the purpose of this list and genealogy
in general--to connect with the past weather it be with direct relatives or
distant relatives in order to better know who we are and where we came >from ?
By posting here (and other places) I was able to connect my late mother's
cousin who I had only heard about, but never met. She lives in Philadelphia.
Through her I have met cousins I never knew existed.
Not all names and places are listed on the JGFF, so as a last resort
surname posts are essential.
Thank goodness for JewishGen !




Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Good old fashioned research #general

Nicole Berline <berline@...>
 

dear Suzanne
I was very interested by your lettrer, since I have a similar
experience: my mother's family was destroyed during the
holocaust, and since then we ( my sister and I) have been unable to
find anybody who
might have survived or just somebody who might have known this family
in Warszawa. So far the forum has not turned anything substantial, but
at least I have some threads, and also it is very comforting to read
the letters posted by people in the same situation, like yourself.
Nevertheless, I wonder if it would not be more efficient to have two
distinct forums: one for true genealogists, and one for people searching
relatives, survivors , yzkor's books, etc... Or is there such a forum ?
( I did not find any on the Net)

best regards

Nicole Berline
berline@math.polytechnique.fr
tel 01 69 33 49 65
fax 01 69 33 30 19


Seeking: Barbara Z.(?)..re ALSATIAN cemeteries #general

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

I humbly apologize for posting to the entire list, but I am hoping to
reach Barbara Z. (?) who sent a private message to me regarding some
Alsatian cemeteries. I am hoping that she came to me through Jewishgen!

In my ineptitude with my new computer, and e-mail program, I
accidentally deleted her message. I am most anxious to answer Barbara,
so if she is out there, please post to me again at my new address
(Leeson1@ibm.net).
I promise to be more careful......

Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA
Leeson1@ibm.net


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Seeking: Barbara Z.(?)..re ALSATIAN cemeteries #general

Rosanne D. Leeson <leeson1@...>
 

I humbly apologize for posting to the entire list, but I am hoping to
reach Barbara Z. (?) who sent a private message to me regarding some
Alsatian cemeteries. I am hoping that she came to me through Jewishgen!

In my ineptitude with my new computer, and e-mail program, I
accidentally deleted her message. I am most anxious to answer Barbara,
so if she is out there, please post to me again at my new address
(Leeson1@ibm.net).
I promise to be more careful......

Rosanne Leeson
Los Altos, CA
Leeson1@ibm.net


Re: Ship's Manifests from Kew #general

EHecht4085 <ehecht4085@...>
 

Dear Anne,

I have just discovered that an uncle of mine who traveled >from the shtetl of
Snyatyn in Galicia, landed in London and then emigrated >from there to the US.
How can I contact this Debby Beavis to do some research for me on this matter.
Your assistance would be much appreciated. TIA.

ehecht@aol.com


Eli C. Hecht
Syosset, NY


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Ship's Manifests from Kew #general

EHecht4085 <ehecht4085@...>
 

Dear Anne,

I have just discovered that an uncle of mine who traveled >from the shtetl of
Snyatyn in Galicia, landed in London and then emigrated >from there to the US.
How can I contact this Debby Beavis to do some research for me on this matter.
Your assistance would be much appreciated. TIA.

ehecht@aol.com


Eli C. Hecht
Syosset, NY


Re: Help with Naturalization #general

SBSeales
 

Dear Meryl,
Hotfoot it down to the downtown L.A. library. There is an alphabetical index
of California naturalizations that the Mormons don't have. I found some I was
looking for in about two minutes, and then was able to request them by email
from the regional NARA branch on the genealogy page of the <www.nara.gov> web
site. I had the naturalizations in my hands in about two weeks.
Sue Seales, North Carolina
researching FREEDMAN,Siluva,Lith.
BOYARSKY,Grodno ROSENTHAL ,BLUESTEIN, Wegrow, Pol. ROSENTHAL, ZELENY,Odessa
ZELENY,Berdichev


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Help with Naturalization #general

SBSeales
 

Dear Meryl,
Hotfoot it down to the downtown L.A. library. There is an alphabetical index
of California naturalizations that the Mormons don't have. I found some I was
looking for in about two minutes, and then was able to request them by email
from the regional NARA branch on the genealogy page of the <www.nara.gov> web
site. I had the naturalizations in my hands in about two weeks.
Sue Seales, North Carolina
researching FREEDMAN,Siluva,Lith.
BOYARSKY,Grodno ROSENTHAL ,BLUESTEIN, Wegrow, Pol. ROSENTHAL, ZELENY,Odessa
ZELENY,Berdichev


Re: Book on Kolemeja #general

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Elaine asked about Kolomyia (current ukrainian spelling, according
to a library of congress map).. (elaine, why not try the Jewishgen familly
finder too?)

There are two books, one in yiddish (pinkes kolomey, 1957 NY, 448 pages)
and one in hebrew (sefer zikaron le-kehilat kolomey veha-seviva,
published in tel aviv, 395 pages, 1972) Almost all yizkor books were
written in the language of the people; only a few
have been translated into english....but jewishgen has a wonderful
translation
project going on.....perhaps you or your cousin would be interested in
joining it?


both Yiskor books will be found in New York City at YIVO and the NY Public
Library and Jewish Theological
Seminary and at UCLA in California.. I'm sure there are yiskor book
repositories in Israel too.

Hope this helps
PhyllisKramer1@worldnet.att.net, Wilton Conn and NYC ...... searching
KRAMER, WISNER >from Jasienica Rosielna, Poland
STECHER, TRACHMAN, FEIR/FEUER, KORNREICH (Zmigrod & Rymanow, Pol)
KANDEL, SCHIMMEL, SCHEINER, GREENBERG (Strzyzow & Dubiecko, Pol)
LINDNER, EICHEL, BERLIN, MAURER, MERL, WEICH (Rogatin & Bolechov, Ukr)
LINDNER, JONAS (Iasi, Romania)


October Meeting JGS Palm Springs CA #general

Glynne
 

Where is Kovno or Volhynia Gubernia?

Find out how to locate where your family came >from in Eastern Europe.

Who: Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Jewish Federation
255 N. El Cielo Rd.
Palm Springs, CA
Program: Speaker: Ted Margulis on "Shtetl Seeking in Ukraine & Eastern Europe"

For more information call Gay Lynne Kegan 760-340-6554.
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine


passenger arrivals from Brazil #general

SBSeales
 

Does anyone have any information on the usual port of arrival in the U.S. from
Brazil around 1923?
Sue Seales


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Book on Kolemeja #general

Phyllis Kramer <phylliskramer1@...>
 

Elaine asked about Kolomyia (current ukrainian spelling, according
to a library of congress map).. (elaine, why not try the Jewishgen familly
finder too?)

There are two books, one in yiddish (pinkes kolomey, 1957 NY, 448 pages)
and one in hebrew (sefer zikaron le-kehilat kolomey veha-seviva,
published in tel aviv, 395 pages, 1972) Almost all yizkor books were
written in the language of the people; only a few
have been translated into english....but jewishgen has a wonderful
translation
project going on.....perhaps you or your cousin would be interested in
joining it?


both Yiskor books will be found in New York City at YIVO and the NY Public
Library and Jewish Theological
Seminary and at UCLA in California.. I'm sure there are yiskor book
repositories in Israel too.

Hope this helps
PhyllisKramer1@worldnet.att.net, Wilton Conn and NYC ...... searching
KRAMER, WISNER >from Jasienica Rosielna, Poland
STECHER, TRACHMAN, FEIR/FEUER, KORNREICH (Zmigrod & Rymanow, Pol)
KANDEL, SCHIMMEL, SCHEINER, GREENBERG (Strzyzow & Dubiecko, Pol)
LINDNER, EICHEL, BERLIN, MAURER, MERL, WEICH (Rogatin & Bolechov, Ukr)
LINDNER, JONAS (Iasi, Romania)


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen October Meeting JGS Palm Springs CA #general

Glynne
 

Where is Kovno or Volhynia Gubernia?

Find out how to locate where your family came >from in Eastern Europe.

Who: Jewish Genealogical Society of Palm Springs
Date: Sunday, October 25, 1998
Time: 2 p.m.
Place: Jewish Federation
255 N. El Cielo Rd.
Palm Springs, CA
Program: Speaker: Ted Margulis on "Shtetl Seeking in Ukraine & Eastern Europe"

For more information call Gay Lynne Kegan 760-340-6554.
Gay Lynne Kegan
Searching:HOFFENBERG, Josvainiai, Lithuania OWSIANKA Nasielsk Poland,
GOMER/GAMMER Chudnov, Urkaine KAGAN Novozlatopol Ukraine


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen passenger arrivals from Brazil #general

SBSeales
 

Does anyone have any information on the usual port of arrival in the U.S. from
Brazil around 1923?
Sue Seales


Re : Searching: Isaac-Moise CREMIEUX #general

Alkrams <alkrams@...>
 

Jean-Jacques Leopold Monteux wrote:

I search for the genealogy of CREMIEUX Isaac-Moise,

Concerning Adolphe Cremieux, there are at least 2 biographies : one by
Daniel Amson, "Adolphe Cremieux. L'oubli=E9 de la gloire", Paris, Seuil,
1988 and one by S. Posener, "Adolphe Cremieux (1796-1880)", pref. de
S.Levi, Paris, Felix Alcan, 1933-1934, 2 vol.

The Cremieux family is a very old family >from Comtat Venaissin, mostly from
Carpentras. Belonging to this family : Gaston Cremieux, president of the
Commune de Marseille in 1871, executed by shooting November, 30, 1871 he
screamed "Vive la Republique", Fernand Cremieux deputy (1882) and senateur
for the departement of Gard, he was the youngest deputy of France, his
daughter Suzanne Cremieux, was also senateur for the departement of Gard,
after her father, one of the first lady to have political responsability in
France.

Suzanne Cremieux's daughter Marie Claire (Servan)-Schreiber was the second
wife of Pierre Mendes-France, her son Jean Claude Servan-Schreiber is a
famous news-paper director.

I myself have some Cremieux ancestors, but the one who really worked on the
Cremieux genealogy is Michel Mayer-Cremieux, founder of the Cercle de
Genealogie Juive of France. You can join by writing to

Cercle de Genealogie Juive
14, rue Saint Lazare
75009 Paris, France

We will transmit your letter.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
CGJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re : Searching: Isaac-Moise CREMIEUX #general

Alkrams <alkrams@...>
 

Jean-Jacques Leopold Monteux wrote:

I search for the genealogy of CREMIEUX Isaac-Moise,

Concerning Adolphe Cremieux, there are at least 2 biographies : one by
Daniel Amson, "Adolphe Cremieux. L'oubli=E9 de la gloire", Paris, Seuil,
1988 and one by S. Posener, "Adolphe Cremieux (1796-1880)", pref. de
S.Levi, Paris, Felix Alcan, 1933-1934, 2 vol.

The Cremieux family is a very old family >from Comtat Venaissin, mostly from
Carpentras. Belonging to this family : Gaston Cremieux, president of the
Commune de Marseille in 1871, executed by shooting November, 30, 1871 he
screamed "Vive la Republique", Fernand Cremieux deputy (1882) and senateur
for the departement of Gard, he was the youngest deputy of France, his
daughter Suzanne Cremieux, was also senateur for the departement of Gard,
after her father, one of the first lady to have political responsability in
France.

Suzanne Cremieux's daughter Marie Claire (Servan)-Schreiber was the second
wife of Pierre Mendes-France, her son Jean Claude Servan-Schreiber is a
famous news-paper director.

I myself have some Cremieux ancestors, but the one who really worked on the
Cremieux genealogy is Michel Mayer-Cremieux, founder of the Cercle de
Genealogie Juive of France. You can join by writing to

Cercle de Genealogie Juive
14, rue Saint Lazare
75009 Paris, France

We will transmit your letter.

Anne Lifshitz-Krams
CGJ