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Travel to Riga #general

Barry Silver <hiiho@...>
 

If anyone is travelling to Riga, Latvia, I would appreciate if you could
relay a message to an individual there.
Barry Silver in Los Angeles


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.


Latvia:A Personal Journey Part I #general

Barbara Siegel <bsiegel@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,
I always find myself very interested in the foreign research travel
experiences of others. After my post-Seminar trip to Latvia in the summer of
1997, I wrote a short piece describing my journey. I feel that the sharing
of these adventures can be helpful, informative and inspiring for other
travellers. However, it turned out to be too long for inclusion in the
Jewishgen Digest. Therefore, I am following the example of another Latvian
tripper, and am submitting it now in "serial" form.

"Where once they walked": A visit to my ancesteral towns in Latvia after the
Paris 97 Seminar.

During all of my growing up years I kept hearing references to "Kurland",
the birthplace of my maternal grandparents and paternal grandmother
(paternal grandfather hailed >from Tolchien in the Ukraine and was somewhat
of an outsider}. There was a certain mystique and elan associated with
these Kurlanders, a pride in their Germanic traditions and language. Family
members always spoke glowingly of the many positive attributes of these
Kurlanders, their refinement, education and overall "superior"
characteristics. A big thing was always made of any friends or
acquaintances who had the good fortune to be Kurlanders and it was a source
of great jubilation when a family member married another Kurlander, as if
this were a certificate of quality.

Most of my family >from Kurland, the Levinsons, Friedlanders and Hertzbergs,
arrived in the U.S. during the 1880's, and unfortunately we grandchildren
were privy to very few family tales about life in the "old country", aside
from the repeated allusions as to the "specialness" of Kurlanders. And so
it was that I was always curious about this area of Latvia in Eastern
Europe, at first wondering, "what did these places look like?", and then
later on, exactly what kind of lives did these grandparents of mine live in
these far away shtetlach?
About 10 years ago my interest in these things intensified, and I began my
genealogical searches. By this time there were few persons left to
question, but I did manage to come up with a few rudimentary details, albeit
monumental blanks. I had references to the towns of Tukums,
Windau(Ventspils), Goldingen (Kuldiga), Pilten, Libau(Liepaja), and then
Grobin. I had a pressing desire to visit these places, to see for myself
"where they walked". I kept looking for "roots" trips to Latvia but found
none. Then, BINGO! Paris 97 and Beyond- one of the post seminar trips was
scheduled for Latvia. In the end it turned out to be mostly a "do it
yourself" adventure. Only 5 of us ended up in Latvia and 4 of these
travellers had their own itineraries and guides.

Undaunted, I was determined to finally see "my towns", and spent the 6 days
in Latvia alone with my guide and driver in a search for information about
my family history. What did these towns look like? What kind of lives did
they live? Who stayed behind when most of the family left for the U.S.?
What happened to them? Who were my greatgrandparents? etc. What follows is
a purely personal account of my experiences, impressions and opinions.

As far as comfort and amenities go, the trip was much easier than I had
anticipated. I was headquartered in Riga in a charming, smallish 4 star
hotel with very helpful English speaking staff. The roads were good and the
drivers well mannered and law abiding. Although restrooms in stores and
restaurants were either non-existant or impossibly primitive, those in gas
stations were surprisingly elegant. Riga itself is a beautiful medieval city
with many parks and boulevards. However, much of the housing stock has been
badly neglected, and buildings which in the West would have long ago been
torn down are often standing next to an upscale rehab or exquisite
historical structure. In Riga I visited the Gogol St. shul monument, site
of a horrendous massacre; the old Jewish cemetery now empty; the Chabad
shul, the only functioning synagogue in Riga; the large, impressive Chabad
School; the Bikur Holim Hospital, which appeared primitive by Western
standards; the Jewish Community Center with its small but interesting
museum; and the old Jewish quarter which was the site of the barbed wire
Jewish ghetto with its mass killings. Also in Riga are the Central State
Historical Archives. For details of my experiences at the Archives please
see my article on "Practical Tips" in the Jewishgen Digest.
It is estimated that there are now 14-16,000 Jews left in Latvia, most of
them living in Riga. Many are >from other areas of the former USSR,
intermarried and/or secular.

To be continued.

Barbara Siegel
Jerusalem


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Travel to Riga #general

Barry Silver <hiiho@...>
 

If anyone is travelling to Riga, Latvia, I would appreciate if you could
relay a message to an individual there.
Barry Silver in Los Angeles


MODERATOR'S NOTE: Please reply privately.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Latvia:A Personal Journey Part I #general

Barbara Siegel <bsiegel@...>
 

Dear Jewishgenners,
I always find myself very interested in the foreign research travel
experiences of others. After my post-Seminar trip to Latvia in the summer of
1997, I wrote a short piece describing my journey. I feel that the sharing
of these adventures can be helpful, informative and inspiring for other
travellers. However, it turned out to be too long for inclusion in the
Jewishgen Digest. Therefore, I am following the example of another Latvian
tripper, and am submitting it now in "serial" form.

"Where once they walked": A visit to my ancesteral towns in Latvia after the
Paris 97 Seminar.

During all of my growing up years I kept hearing references to "Kurland",
the birthplace of my maternal grandparents and paternal grandmother
(paternal grandfather hailed >from Tolchien in the Ukraine and was somewhat
of an outsider}. There was a certain mystique and elan associated with
these Kurlanders, a pride in their Germanic traditions and language. Family
members always spoke glowingly of the many positive attributes of these
Kurlanders, their refinement, education and overall "superior"
characteristics. A big thing was always made of any friends or
acquaintances who had the good fortune to be Kurlanders and it was a source
of great jubilation when a family member married another Kurlander, as if
this were a certificate of quality.

Most of my family >from Kurland, the Levinsons, Friedlanders and Hertzbergs,
arrived in the U.S. during the 1880's, and unfortunately we grandchildren
were privy to very few family tales about life in the "old country", aside
from the repeated allusions as to the "specialness" of Kurlanders. And so
it was that I was always curious about this area of Latvia in Eastern
Europe, at first wondering, "what did these places look like?", and then
later on, exactly what kind of lives did these grandparents of mine live in
these far away shtetlach?
About 10 years ago my interest in these things intensified, and I began my
genealogical searches. By this time there were few persons left to
question, but I did manage to come up with a few rudimentary details, albeit
monumental blanks. I had references to the towns of Tukums,
Windau(Ventspils), Goldingen (Kuldiga), Pilten, Libau(Liepaja), and then
Grobin. I had a pressing desire to visit these places, to see for myself
"where they walked". I kept looking for "roots" trips to Latvia but found
none. Then, BINGO! Paris 97 and Beyond- one of the post seminar trips was
scheduled for Latvia. In the end it turned out to be mostly a "do it
yourself" adventure. Only 5 of us ended up in Latvia and 4 of these
travellers had their own itineraries and guides.

Undaunted, I was determined to finally see "my towns", and spent the 6 days
in Latvia alone with my guide and driver in a search for information about
my family history. What did these towns look like? What kind of lives did
they live? Who stayed behind when most of the family left for the U.S.?
What happened to them? Who were my greatgrandparents? etc. What follows is
a purely personal account of my experiences, impressions and opinions.

As far as comfort and amenities go, the trip was much easier than I had
anticipated. I was headquartered in Riga in a charming, smallish 4 star
hotel with very helpful English speaking staff. The roads were good and the
drivers well mannered and law abiding. Although restrooms in stores and
restaurants were either non-existant or impossibly primitive, those in gas
stations were surprisingly elegant. Riga itself is a beautiful medieval city
with many parks and boulevards. However, much of the housing stock has been
badly neglected, and buildings which in the West would have long ago been
torn down are often standing next to an upscale rehab or exquisite
historical structure. In Riga I visited the Gogol St. shul monument, site
of a horrendous massacre; the old Jewish cemetery now empty; the Chabad
shul, the only functioning synagogue in Riga; the large, impressive Chabad
School; the Bikur Holim Hospital, which appeared primitive by Western
standards; the Jewish Community Center with its small but interesting
museum; and the old Jewish quarter which was the site of the barbed wire
Jewish ghetto with its mass killings. Also in Riga are the Central State
Historical Archives. For details of my experiences at the Archives please
see my article on "Practical Tips" in the Jewishgen Digest.
It is estimated that there are now 14-16,000 Jews left in Latvia, most of
them living in Riga. Many are >from other areas of the former USSR,
intermarried and/or secular.

To be continued.

Barbara Siegel
Jerusalem


Re: Workman's Circle #belarus

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

Danita Simon <dhsimon@home.com> wrote:

Does anyone have information and/or can you direct me to information
about the Workman's Circle. I have reason to believe that my
grandfather was involved in the very beginning of this organization.
See the Workmen's Circle's web page at: <http://www.circle.org>.

The archives of the Workmen's Circle can be found at YIVO,
in Record Group 575, 258 linear feet of records, covering
1893-1972.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@jewishgen.org>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Workman's Circle #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

Danita Simon <dhsimon@home.com> wrote:

Does anyone have information and/or can you direct me to information
about the Workman's Circle. I have reason to believe that my
grandfather was involved in the very beginning of this organization.
See the Workmen's Circle's web page at: <http://www.circle.org>.

The archives of the Workmen's Circle can be found at YIVO,
in Record Group 575, 258 linear feet of records, covering
1893-1972.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@jewishgen.org>


Re: Non-indexed passenger arrivals #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

David Linden <ItinerantScribe@bigfoot.com> wrote:

There is a book that lists, alphabetically, the names of
all passengers who arrived at the Port of New York in the
non-indexed years of the late 19th century: 1847-June 1897.
It was published by a group in Philadelphia.
Can anyone please tell me the name of this directory?
There is no such book. If such a work existed, it would
comprise hundreds of volumes, and the passenger arrivals
would no longer be "non-indexed".

There are several published works which index the 1847-1897
New York passenger lists -- but none are comprehensive.
Each covers a particular ethnic group or other focus group
for a small set of years.

The two most important series for Jewish research are:
- "Germans to America", edited by Ira Glazier, which covers
arrivals of German passengers for Jan 1850 - May 1891.
Ongoing series (60 volumes since 1988)
- "Migration >from the Russian Empire", edited by Ira Glazier,
covering Russian (and Polish and Finnish) arrivals.
Ongoing series (4 volumes since 1995), thus far
containing arrivals for Jan 1875 - May 1889.

These books are available at major libraries. See the
JewishGen FAQ ("Frequently Asked Questions") document at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>, section
on "Passenger Lists" for more details.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@jewishgen.org>


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Non-indexed passenger arrivals #general

Warren Blatt <wblatt@...>
 

David Linden <ItinerantScribe@bigfoot.com> wrote:

There is a book that lists, alphabetically, the names of
all passengers who arrived at the Port of New York in the
non-indexed years of the late 19th century: 1847-June 1897.
It was published by a group in Philadelphia.
Can anyone please tell me the name of this directory?
There is no such book. If such a work existed, it would
comprise hundreds of volumes, and the passenger arrivals
would no longer be "non-indexed".

There are several published works which index the 1847-1897
New York passenger lists -- but none are comprehensive.
Each covers a particular ethnic group or other focus group
for a small set of years.

The two most important series for Jewish research are:
- "Germans to America", edited by Ira Glazier, which covers
arrivals of German passengers for Jan 1850 - May 1891.
Ongoing series (60 volumes since 1988)
- "Migration >from the Russian Empire", edited by Ira Glazier,
covering Russian (and Polish and Finnish) arrivals.
Ongoing series (4 volumes since 1995), thus far
containing arrivals for Jan 1875 - May 1889.

These books are available at major libraries. See the
JewishGen FAQ ("Frequently Asked Questions") document at
<http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/faq.html>, section
on "Passenger Lists" for more details.

Warren

Warren Blatt
Boston, MA
<wblatt@jewishgen.org>


Re Non-indexed passenger arrivals #general

David Fielker <david@...>
 

If anyone knows of this directory, asked for by David Linden, please post
information to everyone. Or e-mail me - I'm interested too.

David Fielker
London, UK


Searching: SAMPSON #general

Aubrey Jacobus <aubrey@...>
 

I am researching the SAMPSON family - in London UK early 19th C with
connections in NY where some children were born before returning to UK .

Aubrey Jacobus



JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re Non-indexed passenger arrivals #general

David Fielker <david@...>
 

If anyone knows of this directory, asked for by David Linden, please post
information to everyone. Or e-mail me - I'm interested too.

David Fielker
London, UK


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching: SAMPSON #general

Aubrey Jacobus <aubrey@...>
 

I am researching the SAMPSON family - in London UK early 19th C with
connections in NY where some children were born before returning to UK .

Aubrey Jacobus



Re: Workman's Circle #belarus

Lew Orans <lporans@...>
 

Danita Simon wrote in message <362019AB.F84E9089@home.com>...
Does anyone have information and/or can you direct me to information
about the Workman's Circle. I have reason to believe that my
grandfather was involved in the very beginning of this organization.

You will find Workman's Circle (Arbiter Ring) on the Web at:
http://www.circle.org/public/default.htm

Lew Orans
Houston, texas
lporans@onramp.net

Researching
SZAPIRO/SZAPIRA/SHAPIRO in Lublin, Radom, Gdansk, Warsaw and Sosnowiec.
ORANSKI in Odessa, RJAWSKY in Boguslav, Ukraine, and MATZ in Minsk and
Vilna.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: Workman's Circle #general

Lew Orans <lporans@...>
 

Danita Simon wrote in message <362019AB.F84E9089@home.com>...
Does anyone have information and/or can you direct me to information
about the Workman's Circle. I have reason to believe that my
grandfather was involved in the very beginning of this organization.

You will find Workman's Circle (Arbiter Ring) on the Web at:
http://www.circle.org/public/default.htm

Lew Orans
Houston, texas
lporans@onramp.net

Researching
SZAPIRO/SZAPIRA/SHAPIRO in Lublin, Radom, Gdansk, Warsaw and Sosnowiec.
ORANSKI in Odessa, RJAWSKY in Boguslav, Ukraine, and MATZ in Minsk and
Vilna.


Report from Lodz, Part Three #general

HOLORO@...
 

I have some additional thoughts today, my last day in Lodz.

My researcher and friend corrected me. The Jewish headstones brought to the
museum in Brzeziny were found in the courtyard of the German police, not in
the German Army barracks. Lask is southwest of Lodz, not west as I stated.
(She is a perfectionist)

Finally, she suggested that "mezuzah" is a better spelling than "muzzah". It
does look more correct to me. I should submit my articles to her before I send
them out.

Yesterday she took me to a location in Lodz where the WEISS (WAJS) family, my
mother's side, lived. The building no longer stands. It was one block from
where there were fish markets. My grandfather Max WEISS (Mortka WAJS) and his
younger brother Shlomo owned and operated fish stores in Paterson, NJ when
they emigrated >from Lodz. It gives me a pretty good clue to their occupation
in Poland.

Sholomo's children told me of the many Jewish families who would buy a live
carp on Monday and keep it in the bathtub until Friday so the kefilta (sp ?)
fish would be fresh for Shabbas. For those JewishGenners who would like to
know more about this custom, I recommend a children's book written by a dear
friend, Barbara Cohen, about 30 years ago, "A Carp in the Bathtub".

We found the address where my cousin, a holocaust survivor, lived and I took
pictures to show her children.

We walked through a huge open air market where Lodzers come to buy produce,
meat, fish and clothing. The egg merchants sell eggs by the dozen or, for an
additional price, by the "Mendel". When I asked what a Mendel was, I was told
that it is 15 eggs, but no one seems to know where the term came from. My
theory is that there was a Jewish merchant, Mendel, who, to be competitive,
gave his customers three extra eggs when they bought a dozen.

One afternoon we stepped into the lobby of the Grand Hotel, around the corner
from the Savoy where I am staying. I was greeted by an elder (my age)
gentleman who asked if I were a "Yid". When I acknowledged that I was he
insisted that I hear his story. He was well dressed, with a well worn book of
names and addresses of friends (acquaintances) >from all over the world. Some
were >from Paterson and Fairlawn, my territory. I tried to question him about
them but he kept turning pages in his book, making it impossible to get
answers. He did talk about his son in the Chicago area and his grandchildren
in Israel. I asked him why he stayed in Poland. He said that he did live with
his son for a while, did not get on with his daughter-in-law and decided (or
was asked) to leave. At that point he returned to Lodz. He was terribly lonely
and his only life seemed to be sitting in the lobby of the hotel, cornering
"Yids" to talk to. I finally pulled myself away, feeling very blue.

When I was in Zdanska Wola I made a mistake in not visiting the Jewish
cemetery. I had already been to the cemeteries in Lodz and Aleksandrow Lodzki
and subsequently those in Brzeziny and Lask. I have been asked by
JewishGenners if the cemeteries in their ancestral cities were researchable.

I cannot answer for Zdanska Wola but, as I have previously stated, all but
Lodz have been destroyed. Lodz, the largest by far, is the exception. I looked
for four graves and found five. The grave of my great uncle, David Lajb
MORDCHAJEWICZ was located next to his father, Hersz. There is a full time
Polish attendant who has some records and is able to read Hebrew names on the
tombstones.

Tonight I've been invited to dinner with Lodzer friends and then, tomorrow
morning, I go, with great trepidation, to Cracow and Auschwitz.

Howard L. Rosen holoro@aol.com
Mountainside, NJ


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Report from Lodz, Part Three #general

HOLORO@...
 

I have some additional thoughts today, my last day in Lodz.

My researcher and friend corrected me. The Jewish headstones brought to the
museum in Brzeziny were found in the courtyard of the German police, not in
the German Army barracks. Lask is southwest of Lodz, not west as I stated.
(She is a perfectionist)

Finally, she suggested that "mezuzah" is a better spelling than "muzzah". It
does look more correct to me. I should submit my articles to her before I send
them out.

Yesterday she took me to a location in Lodz where the WEISS (WAJS) family, my
mother's side, lived. The building no longer stands. It was one block from
where there were fish markets. My grandfather Max WEISS (Mortka WAJS) and his
younger brother Shlomo owned and operated fish stores in Paterson, NJ when
they emigrated >from Lodz. It gives me a pretty good clue to their occupation
in Poland.

Sholomo's children told me of the many Jewish families who would buy a live
carp on Monday and keep it in the bathtub until Friday so the kefilta (sp ?)
fish would be fresh for Shabbas. For those JewishGenners who would like to
know more about this custom, I recommend a children's book written by a dear
friend, Barbara Cohen, about 30 years ago, "A Carp in the Bathtub".

We found the address where my cousin, a holocaust survivor, lived and I took
pictures to show her children.

We walked through a huge open air market where Lodzers come to buy produce,
meat, fish and clothing. The egg merchants sell eggs by the dozen or, for an
additional price, by the "Mendel". When I asked what a Mendel was, I was told
that it is 15 eggs, but no one seems to know where the term came from. My
theory is that there was a Jewish merchant, Mendel, who, to be competitive,
gave his customers three extra eggs when they bought a dozen.

One afternoon we stepped into the lobby of the Grand Hotel, around the corner
from the Savoy where I am staying. I was greeted by an elder (my age)
gentleman who asked if I were a "Yid". When I acknowledged that I was he
insisted that I hear his story. He was well dressed, with a well worn book of
names and addresses of friends (acquaintances) >from all over the world. Some
were >from Paterson and Fairlawn, my territory. I tried to question him about
them but he kept turning pages in his book, making it impossible to get
answers. He did talk about his son in the Chicago area and his grandchildren
in Israel. I asked him why he stayed in Poland. He said that he did live with
his son for a while, did not get on with his daughter-in-law and decided (or
was asked) to leave. At that point he returned to Lodz. He was terribly lonely
and his only life seemed to be sitting in the lobby of the hotel, cornering
"Yids" to talk to. I finally pulled myself away, feeling very blue.

When I was in Zdanska Wola I made a mistake in not visiting the Jewish
cemetery. I had already been to the cemeteries in Lodz and Aleksandrow Lodzki
and subsequently those in Brzeziny and Lask. I have been asked by
JewishGenners if the cemeteries in their ancestral cities were researchable.

I cannot answer for Zdanska Wola but, as I have previously stated, all but
Lodz have been destroyed. Lodz, the largest by far, is the exception. I looked
for four graves and found five. The grave of my great uncle, David Lajb
MORDCHAJEWICZ was located next to his father, Hersz. There is a full time
Polish attendant who has some records and is able to read Hebrew names on the
tombstones.

Tonight I've been invited to dinner with Lodzer friends and then, tomorrow
morning, I go, with great trepidation, to Cracow and Auschwitz.

Howard L. Rosen holoro@aol.com
Mountainside, NJ


Adolphe CREMIEUX #general

micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Jean Jacques Leopold MONTEUX asked for the genealogy of Adolphe CREMIEUX.=


First, I would like to mention the biography of Adolphe CREMIEUX
written some years ago (in French) by Daniel AMSON .

Then I can give you an important part of his genealogy. =

Effectivelly, I have the file seized >from Dr Lucien SIMON cards,
concerning all the Nimes records, civil and religious.
Dr SIMON gave me all the rights about this file.
So everybody concerned by the city of Nimes can ask me for information.

In this file there are a lot of families CREMIEUX (CREMIEU, CREMY...),
not all could have been related. =


Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Adolphe CREMIEUX #general

micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Jean Jacques Leopold MONTEUX asked for the genealogy of Adolphe CREMIEUX.=


First, I would like to mention the biography of Adolphe CREMIEUX
written some years ago (in French) by Daniel AMSON .

Then I can give you an important part of his genealogy. =

Effectivelly, I have the file seized >from Dr Lucien SIMON cards,
concerning all the Nimes records, civil and religious.
Dr SIMON gave me all the rights about this file.
So everybody concerned by the city of Nimes can ask me for information.

In this file there are a lot of families CREMIEUX (CREMIEU, CREMY...),
not all could have been related. =


Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami


Searching: CHOZACK #general

BONUS <yairharu@...>
 

Hi Jewishgenners,
I hope that there is someone out there who may be able to help me.

Back in the early 1950's the Principal of the "Herzlia Jewish Day School"
in Cape Town, South Africa, was a Mr. CHOZACK.(unfortunately, I do not
recall his first name). In 1954 or 1955, he resigned and went on aliya to
Israel. In 1958, my brother bumped into him in Jerusalem, and he was, at
that time, living in the Haifa area.

I have recently been led to believe that Mr. CHOZACK may be distantly
related to me, and I am trying to trace him or his children or
grandchildren in an attempt to verify possible family connections. I have
tried to search for him in the various Israeli telephone directories, but
haven't found him. He may have Hebraized his surname.

I have searched the JGFF and Digest archives to no avail.

Anyone who may know him or of him, and where he can be contacted (if he is
still alive) is requested to contact me privately. If he has passed away,
I'd appreciate it if someone could put me on to his children or other
members of his family.

Chag Samayach, Moadim Lsimcha, and a good year to Clal Bays Yisro-ayl.

All the best,
Chaim Charutz - Petach Tikva, Israel.


Families DREYFUS, ROTHSCHILD.... #general

micheline Gutmann <MichelineGUTMANN@...>
 

Yes, Eve Line BLUM is right, I wrote too quickly.
The person concerned by Henry Wellish's question was Madeleine LEVY.
I hope every body could understand that It was a slip of the pen.

As for families DREYFUS, It is possible to ask to the specialist Dr MARS
who has a lot of information.
He is not on Internet but I can send the messages or give his address
privately.
He is not the only one to possess such an important information about al=
l
the DREYFUS in the world , Georges DREYFUS has the same.

Dr MARS is also a specialist of the ROTHSCHILD family (the bankers) and
families connected to them.
He is writing the larger family history ever done on these families.
Several members of GenAmi are happy to help him.


Micheline GUTMANN, GenAmi, Paris, France
http://www.sgip.fr/rdegroot/genami