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STOCK, BERKOWITZ #general

KAUFMANH <kaufmanh@...>
 

I am looking for the family of Louis Stock and Rebecca Berkowitz Stock. They
had four children, Lillie, Mildred, Victor, and Honny.

Lillie married Sam Graber
Mildred married Morris Sobel
Honny married Oscar Linden (a dentist)

Any info on where abouts of desendents would help. I am missing the whole
branch of my grandfather's family (Rebecca's brother Nathan)

Thanks.

Howard Kaufman
kaufmanh@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen STOCK, BERKOWITZ #general

KAUFMANH <kaufmanh@...>
 

I am looking for the family of Louis Stock and Rebecca Berkowitz Stock. They
had four children, Lillie, Mildred, Victor, and Honny.

Lillie married Sam Graber
Mildred married Morris Sobel
Honny married Oscar Linden (a dentist)

Any info on where abouts of desendents would help. I am missing the whole
branch of my grandfather's family (Rebecca's brother Nathan)

Thanks.

Howard Kaufman
kaufmanh@aol.com


Re: LDS CHMIELNIK lists #general

KAUFMANH <kaufmanh@...>
 

Can you try the name Kiman? I belive some of the family was there during those
years.

Howard Kaufman
kaufmanh@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: LDS CHMIELNIK lists #general

KAUFMANH <kaufmanh@...>
 

Can you try the name Kiman? I belive some of the family was there during those
years.

Howard Kaufman
kaufmanh@aol.com


Visit to Velikije Luki & search for relatives #general

Lee Gaal <Leen@...>
 

I'm hoping for SUGGESTIONS preparatory to visiting VELIKIJE LUKI.

I see VELIKIJE LUKI on a 1980s map, lying somewhat between MOSCOW and
ST. PETERSBURG, but to the southwest of a straight line between those
two. VELIKIJE LUKE appears to be a similar distance to the north of the
Belarus border as VITEBSK is to the south of that border. VITEBSK seems
to be its nearest city.

1) How can I find a GUIDE/TRANSLATOR/DRIVER for that area for some of
the last days of September 1998?

a) are there Jews there now?

b) might I find a guide who has some awareness of the
Jewish
way of life in this area at the turn of the century?

c) what considerations or what precautions are important for a
Jewess to have in mind traveling there at this time?

2) How can I best find resources NOW at home, or THERE, (or after I
come back) that may help me discover:

a) whether I'm correct that this is the "ground on which MY
DAD
walked" with his family in the early 1900s.

b) any clues of the current whereabouts of MY DAD'S
younger
siblings (5 of whom stayed in Russia at least until WWII) or
their progeny.

I believe my father's father was a SHOKHET of a SHTETL in this vicinity,
who had died before my pre-teen dad left around 1910-1912, by
"underground railroad.".

After my 9/11 departure >from home, I'll be traveling with a group of
Americans and Russians until 9/25. >from 9/25 until 10/3 I'll remain in
Russia on my own with flexible time. My current visa application lists
Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yaroslav, Kostroma (for the group travel); plus
Pskov and Velikije Luki.

Please send any responses to my E mail address: leen@rkymtnhi.com

I'm new to both Jewishgen. and Internet, so this direct mail will help
til I figure how to tune in more efficiently.

With much gratitude, Lee Gaal leen@rkymtnhi.com


Israeli Death Certificate--Thanks to All ! ! #general

Adelle Gloger
 

When I posted a querie late on Sunday, Aug. 16,1998 asking where in Israel I
could obtain a death certificate for my grandmother who died and was buried in
Tel Aviv in July 1958 I just knew that I could count on the JewishGen
Community. And a real community it is ! !

I could not believe how quickly the responses came in--->from all over. One
JewishGenner directed me to the Israeli Gov't. web site (why didn't I think of
that first). There was an information e-mail address, and I contacted them in
Jerusalem.
Guess, what ? They directed me to the Israeli Embassy/Consulates here in the
USA. I have already e-mailed the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, and as
soon as I find out what the procedure is for obtaining an Israeli death
certificate I will share it with the group.

All I can say is that JewishGenners are *very* special people. Again, a real
community, in the truest sense !

Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Visit to Velikije Luki & search for relatives #general

Lee Gaal <Leen@...>
 

I'm hoping for SUGGESTIONS preparatory to visiting VELIKIJE LUKI.

I see VELIKIJE LUKI on a 1980s map, lying somewhat between MOSCOW and
ST. PETERSBURG, but to the southwest of a straight line between those
two. VELIKIJE LUKE appears to be a similar distance to the north of the
Belarus border as VITEBSK is to the south of that border. VITEBSK seems
to be its nearest city.

1) How can I find a GUIDE/TRANSLATOR/DRIVER for that area for some of
the last days of September 1998?

a) are there Jews there now?

b) might I find a guide who has some awareness of the
Jewish
way of life in this area at the turn of the century?

c) what considerations or what precautions are important for a
Jewess to have in mind traveling there at this time?

2) How can I best find resources NOW at home, or THERE, (or after I
come back) that may help me discover:

a) whether I'm correct that this is the "ground on which MY
DAD
walked" with his family in the early 1900s.

b) any clues of the current whereabouts of MY DAD'S
younger
siblings (5 of whom stayed in Russia at least until WWII) or
their progeny.

I believe my father's father was a SHOKHET of a SHTETL in this vicinity,
who had died before my pre-teen dad left around 1910-1912, by
"underground railroad.".

After my 9/11 departure >from home, I'll be traveling with a group of
Americans and Russians until 9/25. >from 9/25 until 10/3 I'll remain in
Russia on my own with flexible time. My current visa application lists
Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yaroslav, Kostroma (for the group travel); plus
Pskov and Velikije Luki.

Please send any responses to my E mail address: leen@rkymtnhi.com

I'm new to both Jewishgen. and Internet, so this direct mail will help
til I figure how to tune in more efficiently.

With much gratitude, Lee Gaal leen@rkymtnhi.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Israeli Death Certificate--Thanks to All ! ! #general

Adelle Gloger
 

When I posted a querie late on Sunday, Aug. 16,1998 asking where in Israel I
could obtain a death certificate for my grandmother who died and was buried in
Tel Aviv in July 1958 I just knew that I could count on the JewishGen
Community. And a real community it is ! !

I could not believe how quickly the responses came in--->from all over. One
JewishGenner directed me to the Israeli Gov't. web site (why didn't I think of
that first). There was an information e-mail address, and I contacted them in
Jerusalem.
Guess, what ? They directed me to the Israeli Embassy/Consulates here in the
USA. I have already e-mailed the Israeli Embassy in Washington, DC, and as
soon as I find out what the procedure is for obtaining an Israeli death
certificate I will share it with the group.

All I can say is that JewishGenners are *very* special people. Again, a real
community, in the truest sense !

Adelle Gloger
Shaker Hts., Ohio
agloger@aol.com


Re: tribal background #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-18 20:12:31 EDT, aron@ihug.co.nz writes:

<< My surname is Aronson and I know very little about my Jewish ancestry. Can
anyone tell if all Aronson's come >from Levi?
>>

One can never be totally certain. The name is most likely that of a Cohen (as
is Aranovitch--same name). However, I've known a "Cohen" (a rabbi yet) who
was a Levi. The only way you can tell for certain is to go back in Hebrew
records. If an ancestor in the male line has two hands engraved on the
tombstone, each divided into three (thumb, two fingers, two fingers) it will
be the tombstone of a Cohen. If it shows a water jug, it will be that of a
Levi. If neither--could be anyone.


Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator to the allowed maximum 6 lines.


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Re: tribal background #general

MBernet@...
 

In a message dated 98-08-18 20:12:31 EDT, aron@ihug.co.nz writes:

<< My surname is Aronson and I know very little about my Jewish ancestry. Can
anyone tell if all Aronson's come >from Levi?
>>

One can never be totally certain. The name is most likely that of a Cohen (as
is Aranovitch--same name). However, I've known a "Cohen" (a rabbi yet) who
was a Levi. The only way you can tell for certain is to go back in Hebrew
records. If an ancestor in the male line has two hands engraved on the
tombstone, each divided into three (thumb, two fingers, two fingers) it will
be the tombstone of a Cohen. If it shows a water jug, it will be that of a
Levi. If neither--could be anyone.


Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator to the allowed maximum 6 lines.


Searching : Cossin- Minnie NY -1969 ? #general

Brett Lieberman <create@...>
 

I am searching for family of minnie cossin of NY, dont know where she
might have lived?.. but know she was there in 1969.

her 2 brothers were :

Joshua Lieberman of Toronto lived mostly in Saint John NB Canada
Moe lieberman lived in Edmonton Alberta Canada

thank you
Brett Lieberman
Create@direct.ca


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Searching : Cossin- Minnie NY -1969 ? #general

Brett Lieberman <create@...>
 

I am searching for family of minnie cossin of NY, dont know where she
might have lived?.. but know she was there in 1969.

her 2 brothers were :

Joshua Lieberman of Toronto lived mostly in Saint John NB Canada
Moe lieberman lived in Edmonton Alberta Canada

thank you
Brett Lieberman
Create@direct.ca


Hollywood Chai - impressions #2 #general

SelmaN@...
 

More responses
__________________

Went to the seminar and had a great time. There was lots of
organizing going on re the Special Interest groups. Lithuania is
raising money to buy records and announced all Lithuania database,
Latvia was organizing, ROM-Sig is trying to regroup. Arthur
Kurzweil was the opening speaker and was very good as always. He
talked about Blessings. JewishGen announced an all database
database that will be coming out soon. They also demonstrated the
Family Tree of the Jewish People. Yale Reisner spoke about the
Lauder Institute in Poland. He is a very moving speaker.
Sometimes think he is a "tzadik" but don't know much about them. He
is a very special person. Theodore Bikel was very good. The
syllabus was very thick -- haven't had a chance to really go over
it yet. Bought about 12 tapes of lectures that I didn't attend.
Had a wonderful time just being there. I met a cousin from
JewishGen Family finder in person. Starting to save up to go to
New York with my family next year for the seminar.
_______________________________

A short summary of impressions of the Jewish Genealogical
Conference in Los Angeles is posted on Compuserve's Jewish Forum.
I highly recommend attending such a conference. I've been
reading the JewishGen Digests for about two years and finally
decided to get down to serious study. The conference was very well
organized, with four workshops running concurrently in any given
hour. That made it hard to choose. The conference was taped and
the tapes can be purchased. Contact JewishGen or the Los Angeles
JG group directly. The sessions were packed with information and
the Syllabus they prepared was outstanding. We participants were
handed a large 3-ring binder with collateral materials. You can
purchase the Syllabus for about $22. Highly recommended. I'm a
virtual beginner. Everything I learned helped. The week was total
immersion in another culture, at another time, and I was
overwhelmed.
_____________________________

It was a great seminar, very intense and a lot to do, talking,
meeting people etc. Highlights [for me] were the talk on Babylonian
Jewry, the role of genealogy in the Swiss Insurance/Holocaust Saga,
Sam Gruber on World Jewish Monuments Work.
____________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hollywood Chai - impressions #2 #general

SelmaN@...
 

More responses
__________________

Went to the seminar and had a great time. There was lots of
organizing going on re the Special Interest groups. Lithuania is
raising money to buy records and announced all Lithuania database,
Latvia was organizing, ROM-Sig is trying to regroup. Arthur
Kurzweil was the opening speaker and was very good as always. He
talked about Blessings. JewishGen announced an all database
database that will be coming out soon. They also demonstrated the
Family Tree of the Jewish People. Yale Reisner spoke about the
Lauder Institute in Poland. He is a very moving speaker.
Sometimes think he is a "tzadik" but don't know much about them. He
is a very special person. Theodore Bikel was very good. The
syllabus was very thick -- haven't had a chance to really go over
it yet. Bought about 12 tapes of lectures that I didn't attend.
Had a wonderful time just being there. I met a cousin from
JewishGen Family finder in person. Starting to save up to go to
New York with my family next year for the seminar.
_______________________________

A short summary of impressions of the Jewish Genealogical
Conference in Los Angeles is posted on Compuserve's Jewish Forum.
I highly recommend attending such a conference. I've been
reading the JewishGen Digests for about two years and finally
decided to get down to serious study. The conference was very well
organized, with four workshops running concurrently in any given
hour. That made it hard to choose. The conference was taped and
the tapes can be purchased. Contact JewishGen or the Los Angeles
JG group directly. The sessions were packed with information and
the Syllabus they prepared was outstanding. We participants were
handed a large 3-ring binder with collateral materials. You can
purchase the Syllabus for about $22. Highly recommended. I'm a
virtual beginner. Everything I learned helped. The week was total
immersion in another culture, at another time, and I was
overwhelmed.
_____________________________

It was a great seminar, very intense and a lot to do, talking,
meeting people etc. Highlights [for me] were the talk on Babylonian
Jewry, the role of genealogy in the Swiss Insurance/Holocaust Saga,
Sam Gruber on World Jewish Monuments Work.
____________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com


Hollywood Chai Impressions #1 #general

SelmaN@...
 

A compilation of the responses I received when I
asked about Hollywood Chai . . . .
_______________________

The Seminar in LA was the first one that we attended. My wife who
is not very much interested in genealogy became "hooked". The
planning that must have gone into the Seminar was just 'great'. The
various discussion groups and lectures were interesting to all. The
'resource' room was used by dozens of people. The computers that
were set up for the attendees were busy always. We became aware of
several new sources of info, and plan to try to use them soon.
Those who cannot afford the time to go to a 5 day Seminar, read the
program for the next seminar, in New York and plan on attending a
day or two of the program. There are even some evening programs.
____________________________

There were discussions at the seminar in LA about creating informal
study groups. In fact, a number of now-flourishing JGSs started
just that way: with a handful of people who liked to do genealogy
getting together, now and then, at each other's homes to
brainstorm, share experiences and just talk.
____________________________

Went to LA and then to NY for a follow-up with Vitalija, the
Lithuanian Archivist. LA was good but somehow I think maybe I'm
beyond the level of some of the workshops. There were about 800 in
attendance and the LA people really knocked themselves out. The
Presidents' meeting was a real eye-opener--lots of nit picking
about nonsense. They voted to change the name of the AJGS to
IAJGS--International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies,
which makes sense. Next year's dates are Aug. 8-13 in NY. Those
of us who were there will report back as the program for our next
meeting. The Syllabus was terrific -- lots of good info.
______________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com


JewishGen Discussion Group #JewishGen Hollywood Chai Impressions #1 #general

SelmaN@...
 

A compilation of the responses I received when I
asked about Hollywood Chai . . . .
_______________________

The Seminar in LA was the first one that we attended. My wife who
is not very much interested in genealogy became "hooked". The
planning that must have gone into the Seminar was just 'great'. The
various discussion groups and lectures were interesting to all. The
'resource' room was used by dozens of people. The computers that
were set up for the attendees were busy always. We became aware of
several new sources of info, and plan to try to use them soon.
Those who cannot afford the time to go to a 5 day Seminar, read the
program for the next seminar, in New York and plan on attending a
day or two of the program. There are even some evening programs.
____________________________

There were discussions at the seminar in LA about creating informal
study groups. In fact, a number of now-flourishing JGSs started
just that way: with a handful of people who liked to do genealogy
getting together, now and then, at each other's homes to
brainstorm, share experiences and just talk.
____________________________

Went to LA and then to NY for a follow-up with Vitalija, the
Lithuanian Archivist. LA was good but somehow I think maybe I'm
beyond the level of some of the workshops. There were about 800 in
attendance and the LA people really knocked themselves out. The
Presidents' meeting was a real eye-opener--lots of nit picking
about nonsense. They voted to change the name of the AJGS to
IAJGS--International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies,
which makes sense. Next year's dates are Aug. 8-13 in NY. Those
of us who were there will report back as the program for our next
meeting. The Syllabus was terrific -- lots of good info.
______________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com


Re: My WEISZ/WEISS family tree, posting # 4 #hungary

Neuman Forensic Accountants <NeumanForensicCA@...>
 

where is your Neuman family originally from?

reagards,

Andrew Neuman Toronto, Canada


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: My WEISZ/WEISS family tree, posting # 4 #hungary

Neuman Forensic Accountants <NeumanForensicCA@...>
 

where is your Neuman family originally from?

reagards,

Andrew Neuman Toronto, Canada


Re: Trip reports, anyone! (& interchangeable names) #hungary

hnm <hnm@...>
 

This is my brief summary of the tour to the subcarpathian region organized
by Louis Schonfeld. More details will follow later.

There were 6 of us on the tour in addidition to Louis and several Family
Tree staff. Family Tree took care of making the contacts, providing
hotel, travel and meal logistics and translation.

We spent 2 days in Budapest doing general sightseeing and visiting
the old Jewish quarter and attended services at the Dahoney Synagogue.
We also visited the National Library and National Archives. The visits
to the Library and Archives were brief. I do not have any good
notes for these 2 locations.

An additional 2 days were spent making several stops in northeast
Hungary on the way to the Ukraine. During these stops we visited
cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues. The stops were at:
Tokaj
Miskolc
Kisvarda
Mateszalka

We spent 3 plus days in the subcarpathian rtegion of the Ukraine.
We visited numerous cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues in
a number of towns of interest to the participants. The towns visited
were:
Mukechevo/Munkcas
Uzhgorod/Ungvar
Beregovo/Beregszasz
Bereheve
Kosini/Kaszony/Mezokaszony
Botrad/Botragy
Lipsha
Dragovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget
Chust
Vinogradov

We also visited archives in Beregovo and Uzhgorod.

BEREGOVE ARCHIVES. We met with the Vice-director of the Beregovo archives.
The Director is in Uzhgorod. Access to materials is only via permission
of the Director. This is obtained via the Ukranian Embassy/Consulate.
There are 200 tons of records "organized" and 15-20 tons not organized.
Cataloging has stopped because lack of funds and space. The records cover
the interval 1214 to 1945. There are no birth marriage or death records
in this archive (they are available via the Uzhgorod Zad archive).
Census for the region began in in 1776 but only the 1921 census exists
in Beregovo (the census was taken in Jan-Feb of that year). There
are very few emmigration records and no photos. There is still a lot
of material in boxes which contain unknown data.

UZHGOROD ZAD ARCHIVES. Birth, Death and Marriage records are available
for the region. Copies of originals are not provided, but they do provide
an extract of the information on the records. The fee is $10 per record
found. It takes a month to get results. The participants left many
requests with this office. In a month someone will pick-up any results.

I am sure the others will correct and supplement this information and
eventually more details will be provided on the sites visited. Some of the
participants continued to other areas and may not yet have returned to
the U.S.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO 80303


RESEARCHING
MEYEROWITZ: Lipsha(Lipcse); UKRAINE
CHAIMOWITZ: Dragovo (Drahovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget); UKRAINE
BERMAN: Kosyno (Kaszony/Kosini/Mezokaszony), Batrad (Botrogy); UKRAINE
SOLOMON: Kosyno, Batrad
EINZIG: Kosyno, Batrad


Hungary SIG #Hungary Re: Trip reports, anyone! (& interchangeable names) #hungary

hnm <hnm@...>
 

This is my brief summary of the tour to the subcarpathian region organized
by Louis Schonfeld. More details will follow later.

There were 6 of us on the tour in addidition to Louis and several Family
Tree staff. Family Tree took care of making the contacts, providing
hotel, travel and meal logistics and translation.

We spent 2 days in Budapest doing general sightseeing and visiting
the old Jewish quarter and attended services at the Dahoney Synagogue.
We also visited the National Library and National Archives. The visits
to the Library and Archives were brief. I do not have any good
notes for these 2 locations.

An additional 2 days were spent making several stops in northeast
Hungary on the way to the Ukraine. During these stops we visited
cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues. The stops were at:
Tokaj
Miskolc
Kisvarda
Mateszalka

We spent 3 plus days in the subcarpathian rtegion of the Ukraine.
We visited numerous cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues in
a number of towns of interest to the participants. The towns visited
were:
Mukechevo/Munkcas
Uzhgorod/Ungvar
Beregovo/Beregszasz
Bereheve
Kosini/Kaszony/Mezokaszony
Botrad/Botragy
Lipsha
Dragovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget
Chust
Vinogradov

We also visited archives in Beregovo and Uzhgorod.

BEREGOVE ARCHIVES. We met with the Vice-director of the Beregovo archives.
The Director is in Uzhgorod. Access to materials is only via permission
of the Director. This is obtained via the Ukranian Embassy/Consulate.
There are 200 tons of records "organized" and 15-20 tons not organized.
Cataloging has stopped because lack of funds and space. The records cover
the interval 1214 to 1945. There are no birth marriage or death records
in this archive (they are available via the Uzhgorod Zad archive).
Census for the region began in in 1776 but only the 1921 census exists
in Beregovo (the census was taken in Jan-Feb of that year). There
are very few emmigration records and no photos. There is still a lot
of material in boxes which contain unknown data.

UZHGOROD ZAD ARCHIVES. Birth, Death and Marriage records are available
for the region. Copies of originals are not provided, but they do provide
an extract of the information on the records. The fee is $10 per record
found. It takes a month to get results. The participants left many
requests with this office. In a month someone will pick-up any results.

I am sure the others will correct and supplement this information and
eventually more details will be provided on the sites visited. Some of the
participants continued to other areas and may not yet have returned to
the U.S.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO 80303


RESEARCHING
MEYEROWITZ: Lipsha(Lipcse); UKRAINE
CHAIMOWITZ: Dragovo (Drahovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget); UKRAINE
BERMAN: Kosyno (Kaszony/Kosini/Mezokaszony), Batrad (Botrogy); UKRAINE
SOLOMON: Kosyno, Batrad
EINZIG: Kosyno, Batrad