I located Chane SIEGEL on the S.S. Uranium Passenger List which arrived
in New York Port on Nov 30 1912, but cannot figure out the town in
Russia she came >from . This town is listed 3 times (Place of Birth, Last
Permanent Residence, and Relative >from her town) but the letters in the
town name are hard to read and even look different each time even though
all 3 are the same town. Looks like Tolcjin, Tulozin, or Tulcqin or
maybe it is a "m" on the end (just can't figure it out). It shows her
father Abram SIEGEL as living there It also shows that she went to live
with her brother Moise SIEGEL in Brooklyn and gave the address. Since
she arrived in 1912, I tried to find her brother's address in the 1910
Census for Brooklyn (Kings) New York hoping it would show this Russian
town as his place of origin and maybe it would be clearer. However, the
microfiche that contains the Enumeration district # for Diamond Street
213-end for the odd side of street is all blurry for the Enumeration
district # so I can't locate the proper microfilm to search for his
address. I tried to find Moise SIEGEL on the SSDI records and other
databases but can't find a thing. She married Abraham BOGDANSKY >from the
same town (however their marriage was arranged in the U. S. and they
either married in New York or Philadelphia Pennsylvania). I can't find
any records for the name BOGDANSKY anywhere. They are both dead and my
relatives don't have much info. I am really stuck. Any ideas where I
can go >from here to figure out what the name of that town is? I only
know that it was supposedly in the Ukraine near Kiev. Also, how can I
find out when Abraham BOGDANSKY came to the United States and on what
ship? I knew approximately when Anna (Chane) SIEGEL arrived so I was
able to find her but I have no clue when he arrived.
I am really new at this so I hope I explained it ok.
Thank you
Barbara Warner (DANSKY)
midmrtg@idt.net

I located Chane SIEGEL on the S.S. Uranium Passenger List which arrived
in New York Port on Nov 30 1912, but cannot figure out the town in
Russia she came >from . This town is listed 3 times (Place of Birth, Last
Permanent Residence, and Relative >from her town) but the letters in the
town name are hard to read and even look different each time even though
all 3 are the same town. Looks like Tolcjin, Tulozin, or Tulcqin or
maybe it is a "m" on the end (just can't figure it out). It shows her
father Abram SIEGEL as living there It also shows that she went to live
with her brother Moise SIEGEL in Brooklyn and gave the address. Since
she arrived in 1912, I tried to find her brother's address in the 1910
Census for Brooklyn (Kings) New York hoping it would show this Russian
town as his place of origin and maybe it would be clearer. However, the
microfiche that contains the Enumeration district # for Diamond Street
213-end for the odd side of street is all blurry for the Enumeration
district # so I can't locate the proper microfilm to search for his
address. I tried to find Moise SIEGEL on the SSDI records and other
databases but can't find a thing. She married Abraham BOGDANSKY >from the
same town (however their marriage was arranged in the U. S. and they
either married in New York or Philadelphia Pennsylvania). I can't find
any records for the name BOGDANSKY anywhere. They are both dead and my
relatives don't have much info. I am really stuck. Any ideas where I
can go >from here to figure out what the name of that town is? I only
know that it was supposedly in the Ukraine near Kiev. Also, how can I
find out when Abraham BOGDANSKY came to the United States and on what
ship? I knew approximately when Anna (Chane) SIEGEL arrived so I was
able to find her but I have no clue when he arrived.
I am really new at this so I hope I explained it ok.
Thank you
Barbara Warner (DANSKY)
midmrtg@idt.net

It is very important to all genners to be aware of the fact that in posing a
query we are making demands on other genners, demand that they read our query,
and demand that they go through their resources and repond to us. At the very
least we should be grateful to all who respond, even if their information
isn't EXACTLY what we seek. Rudeness and ingratitude are unpleasant in
themselves. Worse than that, examples like the one below can easily deter
many of us >from attempting to respond to queries.

PLEASE when you pose a query, tell us what parts of the question you already
have answers to, and when you receive a response, be grateful and gracious.
It would be nice if you sent your apprciation backchannel to those who have
answered (even if their answers were of no help), or even post it what you
have learned may is of interest to others


In a message dated 98-08-13 20:32:10 EDT, a genner using the yahoo.com domain
name, whose name I will not repeat had written:

<< I have always wondered whether there is a connection between the
fairly common Jewish surname of SPIRO and the very common Greek first
name of Spiro. I know, mainly >from the archives, that the Jewish SPIRO
is somehow connected to SHAPIRO and other variations. I also know
that the Greek Spiro is a diminutive of Spiridion. >>

==A number of us--myself included--went to some trouble to mention more about
the Shapiro/Speyer connection. To this, the questionner replied today:

<< If you definitely know that there IS NOT a connection, then say so, and
why, and I'll
accept the coincidence. If you can suggest a good and reliable place to check
whether there is a connection, that will also be acceptable.

If you do NOT know, one way or another, please leave the matter well alone,
and do NOT, I beg of you, go into the interesting but well covered history of
the connection between SPIRO, SHAPIRO, SPEYER, and so forth. >>

==The demand itself, is of course absurd. How can anyone prove this specific
Spiro does not come >from the Greek. And being instructed by the query-er what
sort of response s/he finds "acceptable" is hardly the sort of thing to make
any of us respond to future queries.

Coincidence or not, this genner's Yahoo account was disconnected shortly after
s/he sent the preceeding.

Please, everyone. Courtesy pays off. Don't spit into the well >from which
others want to drink.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator to the maximum allowed 6 lines.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Rather convenient that the original writer lost his
Yahoo account although we suspect he'll be back in another guise. The
flame in advance nature of his second message was rather surprising but
tame in comparison to flaming threads elsewhere. Mr. Bernet is correct
when he talks about courtesy, but then for the most part there are only
such courteous people here. The moderator's job is difficult enough when
there are missing signatures, off topic messages, ads, spam, personal and
strange format messages with which one must deal without having to put out
fires started by the anonymous writer's type of rant. Thanks Michael.

It is very important to all genners to be aware of the fact that in posing a
query we are making demands on other genners, demand that they read our query,
and demand that they go through their resources and repond to us. At the very
least we should be grateful to all who respond, even if their information
isn't EXACTLY what we seek. Rudeness and ingratitude are unpleasant in
themselves. Worse than that, examples like the one below can easily deter
many of us >from attempting to respond to queries.

PLEASE when you pose a query, tell us what parts of the question you already
have answers to, and when you receive a response, be grateful and gracious.
It would be nice if you sent your apprciation backchannel to those who have
answered (even if their answers were of no help), or even post it what you
have learned may is of interest to others


In a message dated 98-08-13 20:32:10 EDT, a genner using the yahoo.com domain
name, whose name I will not repeat had written:

<< I have always wondered whether there is a connection between the
fairly common Jewish surname of SPIRO and the very common Greek first
name of Spiro. I know, mainly >from the archives, that the Jewish SPIRO
is somehow connected to SHAPIRO and other variations. I also know
that the Greek Spiro is a diminutive of Spiridion. >>

==A number of us--myself included--went to some trouble to mention more about
the Shapiro/Speyer connection. To this, the questionner replied today:

<< If you definitely know that there IS NOT a connection, then say so, and
why, and I'll
accept the coincidence. If you can suggest a good and reliable place to check
whether there is a connection, that will also be acceptable.

If you do NOT know, one way or another, please leave the matter well alone,
and do NOT, I beg of you, go into the interesting but well covered history of
the connection between SPIRO, SHAPIRO, SPEYER, and so forth. >>

==The demand itself, is of course absurd. How can anyone prove this specific
Spiro does not come >from the Greek. And being instructed by the query-er what
sort of response s/he finds "acceptable" is hardly the sort of thing to make
any of us respond to future queries.

Coincidence or not, this genner's Yahoo account was disconnected shortly after
s/he sent the preceeding.

Please, everyone. Courtesy pays off. Don't spit into the well >from which
others want to drink.

Michael Bernet
*****************************
seeking:

Bernet: >from Frensdorf, Bamberg, Nurnberg, Hirschaid, (Bavaria)
Königshöfer: >from Welbhausen, Konigshofen, Furth (S. Germany)
Altmann: >from Kattowitz, Breslau, Poznan (Posen), Beuthen
(Bytom)--Upper Silesia/Poland
Wolf(f): >from Furth, Nurnberg, Wurzburg, Frankfurt (S Germany),
Rotterdam

List edited by the moderator to the maximum allowed 6 lines.

MODERATOR'S NOTE: Rather convenient that the original writer lost his
Yahoo account although we suspect he'll be back in another guise. The
flame in advance nature of his second message was rather surprising but
tame in comparison to flaming threads elsewhere. Mr. Bernet is correct
when he talks about courtesy, but then for the most part there are only
such courteous people here. The moderator's job is difficult enough when
there are missing signatures, off topic messages, ads, spam, personal and
strange format messages with which one must deal without having to put out
fires started by the anonymous writer's type of rant. Thanks Michael.

There are two ZAKIN families in Montreal - any connection?

Errol Feldman

Logan Lockabey Wrote:

seek many families >from Vitebsk with the surnames: SADKIN, SATKIN,
ZADKIN, ZATKIN, ZETKIN, TZADKIN. The preferred surname is spelled
TZADKIN. Families settled in USA, Canada, England, South Africa,

Israel.

There are two ZAKIN families in Montreal - any connection?

Errol Feldman

Logan Lockabey Wrote:

seek many families >from Vitebsk with the surnames: SADKIN, SATKIN,
ZADKIN, ZATKIN, ZETKIN, TZADKIN. The preferred surname is spelled
TZADKIN. Families settled in USA, Canada, England, South Africa,

Israel.

Shalom,

Next week we'll be iy"h in Hungary. Intend to be in the jewish cemetery in
Edeleyn (few km north to Munkatz). If someone is interesting in looking there for
some details (picture or grave stones etc.) I'll do my best to look for it.Leah
Kraus
Haifa

Shalom,

Next week we'll be iy"h in Hungary. Intend to be in the jewish cemetery in
Edeleyn (few km north to Munkatz). If someone is interesting in looking there for
some details (picture or grave stones etc.) I'll do my best to look for it.Leah
Kraus
Haifa

If your town is now in Ukraine, try Nelipyne or Nelipeno which was
Bereg county under Hungary and now is in the Ukraine administrative
district of Svaljava.

Debbi

You wrote:

If your town is now in Ukraine, try Nelipyne or Nelipeno which was
Bereg county under Hungary and now is in the Ukraine administrative
district of Svaljava.

Debbi

You wrote:

I saw among vital records >from Minsk couple records for such surnames as:

TOVA,
TOUB,
TOUV

as well as for ABRAMSON.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

I saw among vital records >from Minsk couple records for such surnames as:

TOVA,
TOUB,
TOUV

as well as for ABRAMSON.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

CEMETERY DO'S & DON'TS
http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/dodont.htm

This page has been reproduced by the Jewish Historical Society of
Greater New Haven with the kind permission of the Connecticut Gravestone
Network.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

CEMETERY DO'S & DON'TS
http://pages.cthome.net/hirsch/dodont.htm

This page has been reproduced by the Jewish Historical Society of
Greater New Haven with the kind permission of the Connecticut Gravestone
Network.
--
Bernard I. Kouchel
<koosh@att.net>

Dear sirs/madams/whatever,

A few days ago, I posted a very specific question regarding
the name SPIRO. I asked whether there is any connection
whatsoever between the Jewish Spiro and the Greek Spiro.
I mentioned that, as far as I knew, the Jewish SPIRO was
connected to Shapiro and that the Greek Spiro was connected
to Spiridion. I did, however,definitely want to know whether
there was a connection of any sort between Shapiro /
Spiro / Speyer / Sapir /Shafir et alia group on the one hand,
and between the Spiro / Spiridion pair on the other.

As yet, I have not received a specific reply to my specific
question!

If you definitely know that there IS a connection, then say
so, explaining the connection. If you definitely know that
there IS NOT a connection, then say so, and why, and I'll
accept the coincidence. If you can suggest a good and
reliable place to check whether there is a connection, that
will also be acceptable.

If you do NOT know, one way or another, please leave the
matter well alone, and do NOT, I beg of you, go into the
interesting but well covered history of the connection
between SPIRO, SHAPIRO, SPEYER, and so forth.

Thank you,
Macky Tutsingen.

Dear sirs/madams/whatever,

A few days ago, I posted a very specific question regarding
the name SPIRO. I asked whether there is any connection
whatsoever between the Jewish Spiro and the Greek Spiro.
I mentioned that, as far as I knew, the Jewish SPIRO was
connected to Shapiro and that the Greek Spiro was connected
to Spiridion. I did, however,definitely want to know whether
there was a connection of any sort between Shapiro /
Spiro / Speyer / Sapir /Shafir et alia group on the one hand,
and between the Spiro / Spiridion pair on the other.

As yet, I have not received a specific reply to my specific
question!

If you definitely know that there IS a connection, then say
so, explaining the connection. If you definitely know that
there IS NOT a connection, then say so, and why, and I'll
accept the coincidence. If you can suggest a good and
reliable place to check whether there is a connection, that
will also be acceptable.

If you do NOT know, one way or another, please leave the
matter well alone, and do NOT, I beg of you, go into the
interesting but well covered history of the connection
between SPIRO, SHAPIRO, SPEYER, and so forth.

Thank you,
Macky Tutsingen.

Can anyone suggest a source for buying Reunion software for Mac at less
than $95? That's the best price I've found so far.

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu
------------
Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

MODERATOR NOTE: Store name deleted, please see rules at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/rules.htm

Can anyone suggest a source for buying Reunion software for Mac at less
than $95? That's the best price I've found so far.

Thanks,

Alan Shuchat
ashuchat@wellesley.edu
------------
Researching:
SHUCHAT (Talnoye, Simferopol, Sevastopol, Odessa)
VINOKUR (Talnoye)
KURIS (Mogilev-Podolskiy, Ataki, Berdichev)
SILVERMAN (Soroki, Kremenets)
BIRNBAUM (Kamenets-Podolski)
KITAIGORODSKI (Zvenigorodka)

MODERATOR NOTE: Store name deleted, please see rules at
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/rules.htm

Harsfalva is now Nelipine in Ukraine.
Barbara Kaufman

Harsfalva is now Nelipine in Ukraine.
Barbara Kaufman