More responses
__________________

Went to the seminar and had a great time. There was lots of
organizing going on re the Special Interest groups. Lithuania is
raising money to buy records and announced all Lithuania database,
Latvia was organizing, ROM-Sig is trying to regroup. Arthur
Kurzweil was the opening speaker and was very good as always. He
talked about Blessings. JewishGen announced an all database
database that will be coming out soon. They also demonstrated the
Family Tree of the Jewish People. Yale Reisner spoke about the
Lauder Institute in Poland. He is a very moving speaker.
Sometimes think he is a "tzadik" but don't know much about them. He
is a very special person. Theodore Bikel was very good. The
syllabus was very thick -- haven't had a chance to really go over
it yet. Bought about 12 tapes of lectures that I didn't attend.
Had a wonderful time just being there. I met a cousin from
JewishGen Family finder in person. Starting to save up to go to
New York with my family next year for the seminar.
_______________________________

A short summary of impressions of the Jewish Genealogical
Conference in Los Angeles is posted on Compuserve's Jewish Forum.
I highly recommend attending such a conference. I've been
reading the JewishGen Digests for about two years and finally
decided to get down to serious study. The conference was very well
organized, with four workshops running concurrently in any given
hour. That made it hard to choose. The conference was taped and
the tapes can be purchased. Contact JewishGen or the Los Angeles
JG group directly. The sessions were packed with information and
the Syllabus they prepared was outstanding. We participants were
handed a large 3-ring binder with collateral materials. You can
purchase the Syllabus for about $22. Highly recommended. I'm a
virtual beginner. Everything I learned helped. The week was total
immersion in another culture, at another time, and I was
overwhelmed.
_____________________________

It was a great seminar, very intense and a lot to do, talking,
meeting people etc. Highlights [for me] were the talk on Babylonian
Jewry, the role of genealogy in the Swiss Insurance/Holocaust Saga,
Sam Gruber on World Jewish Monuments Work.
____________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com

More responses
__________________

Went to the seminar and had a great time. There was lots of
organizing going on re the Special Interest groups. Lithuania is
raising money to buy records and announced all Lithuania database,
Latvia was organizing, ROM-Sig is trying to regroup. Arthur
Kurzweil was the opening speaker and was very good as always. He
talked about Blessings. JewishGen announced an all database
database that will be coming out soon. They also demonstrated the
Family Tree of the Jewish People. Yale Reisner spoke about the
Lauder Institute in Poland. He is a very moving speaker.
Sometimes think he is a "tzadik" but don't know much about them. He
is a very special person. Theodore Bikel was very good. The
syllabus was very thick -- haven't had a chance to really go over
it yet. Bought about 12 tapes of lectures that I didn't attend.
Had a wonderful time just being there. I met a cousin from
JewishGen Family finder in person. Starting to save up to go to
New York with my family next year for the seminar.
_______________________________

A short summary of impressions of the Jewish Genealogical
Conference in Los Angeles is posted on Compuserve's Jewish Forum.
I highly recommend attending such a conference. I've been
reading the JewishGen Digests for about two years and finally
decided to get down to serious study. The conference was very well
organized, with four workshops running concurrently in any given
hour. That made it hard to choose. The conference was taped and
the tapes can be purchased. Contact JewishGen or the Los Angeles
JG group directly. The sessions were packed with information and
the Syllabus they prepared was outstanding. We participants were
handed a large 3-ring binder with collateral materials. You can
purchase the Syllabus for about $22. Highly recommended. I'm a
virtual beginner. Everything I learned helped. The week was total
immersion in another culture, at another time, and I was
overwhelmed.
_____________________________

It was a great seminar, very intense and a lot to do, talking,
meeting people etc. Highlights [for me] were the talk on Babylonian
Jewry, the role of genealogy in the Swiss Insurance/Holocaust Saga,
Sam Gruber on World Jewish Monuments Work.
____________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com

A compilation of the responses I received when I
asked about Hollywood Chai . . . .
_______________________

The Seminar in LA was the first one that we attended. My wife who
is not very much interested in genealogy became "hooked". The
planning that must have gone into the Seminar was just 'great'. The
various discussion groups and lectures were interesting to all. The
'resource' room was used by dozens of people. The computers that
were set up for the attendees were busy always. We became aware of
several new sources of info, and plan to try to use them soon.
Those who cannot afford the time to go to a 5 day Seminar, read the
program for the next seminar, in New York and plan on attending a
day or two of the program. There are even some evening programs.
____________________________

There were discussions at the seminar in LA about creating informal
study groups. In fact, a number of now-flourishing JGSs started
just that way: with a handful of people who liked to do genealogy
getting together, now and then, at each other's homes to
brainstorm, share experiences and just talk.
____________________________

Went to LA and then to NY for a follow-up with Vitalija, the
Lithuanian Archivist. LA was good but somehow I think maybe I'm
beyond the level of some of the workshops. There were about 800 in
attendance and the LA people really knocked themselves out. The
Presidents' meeting was a real eye-opener--lots of nit picking
about nonsense. They voted to change the name of the AJGS to
IAJGS--International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies,
which makes sense. Next year's dates are Aug. 8-13 in NY. Those
of us who were there will report back as the program for our next
meeting. The Syllabus was terrific -- lots of good info.
______________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com

A compilation of the responses I received when I
asked about Hollywood Chai . . . .
_______________________

The Seminar in LA was the first one that we attended. My wife who
is not very much interested in genealogy became "hooked". The
planning that must have gone into the Seminar was just 'great'. The
various discussion groups and lectures were interesting to all. The
'resource' room was used by dozens of people. The computers that
were set up for the attendees were busy always. We became aware of
several new sources of info, and plan to try to use them soon.
Those who cannot afford the time to go to a 5 day Seminar, read the
program for the next seminar, in New York and plan on attending a
day or two of the program. There are even some evening programs.
____________________________

There were discussions at the seminar in LA about creating informal
study groups. In fact, a number of now-flourishing JGSs started
just that way: with a handful of people who liked to do genealogy
getting together, now and then, at each other's homes to
brainstorm, share experiences and just talk.
____________________________

Went to LA and then to NY for a follow-up with Vitalija, the
Lithuanian Archivist. LA was good but somehow I think maybe I'm
beyond the level of some of the workshops. There were about 800 in
attendance and the LA people really knocked themselves out. The
Presidents' meeting was a real eye-opener--lots of nit picking
about nonsense. They voted to change the name of the AJGS to
IAJGS--International Association of Jewish Genealogical Societies,
which makes sense. Next year's dates are Aug. 8-13 in NY. Those
of us who were there will report back as the program for our next
meeting. The Syllabus was terrific -- lots of good info.
______________________________

Selma Neubauer
Philadelphia, PA
SelmaN@aol.com

where is your Neuman family originally from?

reagards,

Andrew Neuman Toronto, Canada

where is your Neuman family originally from?

reagards,

Andrew Neuman Toronto, Canada

This is my brief summary of the tour to the subcarpathian region organized
by Louis Schonfeld. More details will follow later.

There were 6 of us on the tour in addidition to Louis and several Family
Tree staff. Family Tree took care of making the contacts, providing
hotel, travel and meal logistics and translation.

We spent 2 days in Budapest doing general sightseeing and visiting
the old Jewish quarter and attended services at the Dahoney Synagogue.
We also visited the National Library and National Archives. The visits
to the Library and Archives were brief. I do not have any good
notes for these 2 locations.

An additional 2 days were spent making several stops in northeast
Hungary on the way to the Ukraine. During these stops we visited
cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues. The stops were at:
Tokaj
Miskolc
Kisvarda
Mateszalka

We spent 3 plus days in the subcarpathian rtegion of the Ukraine.
We visited numerous cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues in
a number of towns of interest to the participants. The towns visited
were:
Mukechevo/Munkcas
Uzhgorod/Ungvar
Beregovo/Beregszasz
Bereheve
Kosini/Kaszony/Mezokaszony
Botrad/Botragy
Lipsha
Dragovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget
Chust
Vinogradov

We also visited archives in Beregovo and Uzhgorod.

BEREGOVE ARCHIVES. We met with the Vice-director of the Beregovo archives.
The Director is in Uzhgorod. Access to materials is only via permission
of the Director. This is obtained via the Ukranian Embassy/Consulate.
There are 200 tons of records "organized" and 15-20 tons not organized.
Cataloging has stopped because lack of funds and space. The records cover
the interval 1214 to 1945. There are no birth marriage or death records
in this archive (they are available via the Uzhgorod Zad archive).
Census for the region began in in 1776 but only the 1921 census exists
in Beregovo (the census was taken in Jan-Feb of that year). There
are very few emmigration records and no photos. There is still a lot
of material in boxes which contain unknown data.

UZHGOROD ZAD ARCHIVES. Birth, Death and Marriage records are available
for the region. Copies of originals are not provided, but they do provide
an extract of the information on the records. The fee is $10 per record
found. It takes a month to get results. The participants left many
requests with this office. In a month someone will pick-up any results.

I am sure the others will correct and supplement this information and
eventually more details will be provided on the sites visited. Some of the
participants continued to other areas and may not yet have returned to
the U.S.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO 80303


RESEARCHING
MEYEROWITZ: Lipsha(Lipcse); UKRAINE
CHAIMOWITZ: Dragovo (Drahovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget); UKRAINE
BERMAN: Kosyno (Kaszony/Kosini/Mezokaszony), Batrad (Botrogy); UKRAINE
SOLOMON: Kosyno, Batrad
EINZIG: Kosyno, Batrad

This is my brief summary of the tour to the subcarpathian region organized
by Louis Schonfeld. More details will follow later.

There were 6 of us on the tour in addidition to Louis and several Family
Tree staff. Family Tree took care of making the contacts, providing
hotel, travel and meal logistics and translation.

We spent 2 days in Budapest doing general sightseeing and visiting
the old Jewish quarter and attended services at the Dahoney Synagogue.
We also visited the National Library and National Archives. The visits
to the Library and Archives were brief. I do not have any good
notes for these 2 locations.

An additional 2 days were spent making several stops in northeast
Hungary on the way to the Ukraine. During these stops we visited
cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues. The stops were at:
Tokaj
Miskolc
Kisvarda
Mateszalka

We spent 3 plus days in the subcarpathian rtegion of the Ukraine.
We visited numerous cemeteries, synagogues and former synagogues in
a number of towns of interest to the participants. The towns visited
were:
Mukechevo/Munkcas
Uzhgorod/Ungvar
Beregovo/Beregszasz
Bereheve
Kosini/Kaszony/Mezokaszony
Botrad/Botragy
Lipsha
Dragovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget
Chust
Vinogradov

We also visited archives in Beregovo and Uzhgorod.

BEREGOVE ARCHIVES. We met with the Vice-director of the Beregovo archives.
The Director is in Uzhgorod. Access to materials is only via permission
of the Director. This is obtained via the Ukranian Embassy/Consulate.
There are 200 tons of records "organized" and 15-20 tons not organized.
Cataloging has stopped because lack of funds and space. The records cover
the interval 1214 to 1945. There are no birth marriage or death records
in this archive (they are available via the Uzhgorod Zad archive).
Census for the region began in in 1776 but only the 1921 census exists
in Beregovo (the census was taken in Jan-Feb of that year). There
are very few emmigration records and no photos. There is still a lot
of material in boxes which contain unknown data.

UZHGOROD ZAD ARCHIVES. Birth, Death and Marriage records are available
for the region. Copies of originals are not provided, but they do provide
an extract of the information on the records. The fee is $10 per record
found. It takes a month to get results. The participants left many
requests with this office. In a month someone will pick-up any results.

I am sure the others will correct and supplement this information and
eventually more details will be provided on the sites visited. Some of the
participants continued to other areas and may not yet have returned to
the U.S.

Herb Meyers
Boulder, CO 80303


RESEARCHING
MEYEROWITZ: Lipsha(Lipcse); UKRAINE
CHAIMOWITZ: Dragovo (Drahovo/Drahiv/Kovesliget); UKRAINE
BERMAN: Kosyno (Kaszony/Kosini/Mezokaszony), Batrad (Botrogy); UKRAINE
SOLOMON: Kosyno, Batrad
EINZIG: Kosyno, Batrad

Because of the many new people who have recently joined the Belarus SIG
Discussion Group, I am repeating the posting of these guidelines. I ask
everyone to please read these carefully. It will help everyone in the
group and especially the moderator.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

rulzfaq2 4141 980112 JewishGen SIG User's Guidelines
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+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Also remember to change the Subject line when replying to a digest
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post a personal message to the entire discussion group that was
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8. Always convert word processor compositions into _plain ASCII text_.
Also, when posting a message >from an HTML-aware email program, be
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9. Do NOT add _File Attachments_ when posting a message. Due to the
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10. Keep in mind that this list has members >from many countries. Don't
assume that they will understand all references. Acronyms (i.e.
SSDI, JGS, LDS etc.) for example, can be expected to change from
country to country. A fuller explanation may be required.

11. Don't post publicly, the postal address or phone number of any
individual.

12. Don't make derogatory or prejudicial remarks or attack others
personally for their postings ("flaming"). Remember that these
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Treat the others on the list as you would want them to treat you.


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+--------------------------------------------------------------------+

Because of the many new people who have recently joined the Belarus SIG
Discussion Group, I am repeating the posting of these guidelines. I ask
everyone to please read these carefully. It will help everyone in the
group and especially the moderator.

David Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

rulzfaq2 4141 980112 JewishGen SIG User's Guidelines
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
JewishGen SIG User's Guidelines
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
A JewishGen InfoFile

To ensure orderly, courteous, efficient communication, some guidelines
are necessary. Adherence to them will make using this list (discussion
group) more productive and pleasant for all. Always remember that you
are communicating with hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people all over
the world!

1. Keep your questions and comments relevant to the focus of this
list. Don't ramble off the topic. If another person posts a
comment or question that is off the topic, do NOT reply to the
list and keep the off-topic conversation going publicly.

2. Keep your posting short, because many people do not take the time
to read more than a few screen-fulls of information. But: Do not
omit necessary details.

3. When posting a question to the list, request that responses be
directed to you personally. If you find the replies are of general
interest, post a summary or answer to your question to the group.

4. Put a short, but descriptive and appropriate header into the
Subject line of your posting, because people will use this header
to select your posting out of maybe hundreds of other postings.
Also remember to change the Subject line when replying to a digest
post.
*******************************************************************
5. If you have an answer to somebody else's question, send it by
private e-mail unless it really is of general interest. Twenty
people answering the same question on a large list can fill your
mailbox (and those of everyone else on the list) quickly.
***************************************************************
6. If you reply to a question or follow-up to an article, include the
essential parts of the original question in your posting, but only
the essential parts. Don't let your mailing software automatically
quote the entire body of messages you are replying to when it's not
necessary. Take the time to edit any quotations down to the minimum
necessary to provide context for your reply.

7. When replying to a message posted to the group, check the address
to be certain it's going to the intended location (person or
group). It can be very embarrassing if they reply incorrectly and
post a personal message to the entire discussion group that was
intended for an individual.

8. Always convert word processor compositions into _plain ASCII text_.
Also, when posting a message >from an HTML-aware email program, be
sure to send email as _plain ASCII text_, since many email programs
still do not understand HTML.

9. Do NOT add _File Attachments_ when posting a message. Due to the
variety of available browsers, attachments do not always transfer
correctly. To many, the file will be unreadable.

10. Keep in mind that this list has members >from many countries. Don't
assume that they will understand all references. Acronyms (i.e.
SSDI, JGS, LDS etc.) for example, can be expected to change from
country to country. A fuller explanation may be required.

11. Don't post publicly, the postal address or phone number of any
individual.

12. Don't make derogatory or prejudicial remarks or attack others
personally for their postings ("flaming"). Remember that these
discussions are "public" and meant for constructive exchanges.
Treat the others on the list as you would want them to treat you.


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commands to this list can be posted on the JewishGen WebForm at:
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For a full edition of the rules, see JewishGen InfoFile "rulesfaq".

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Dear Belarus SIG Members,

Many of you have contacted via private mail to ask how you can contribute
funds to the SIG and to SIG projects.

We have decided that the Belarus SIG will NOT have any dues. The Belarus
Info File will be changed to reflect this. This is possible because
administrative expenses of the SIG will be picked up by JewishGen through
the generosity of an annonomous donnor.

However, we do need money to fund SIG projects that will benefit groups
of members, depending where there research interests reside. A few of
these projects have already been identified and some have already
started. In most cases we will have to pay for professional translation
services, especially for records that are handwritten in the old Russian
script. Sometimes money will be required to make hard copies >from
microfilms in order to provide the translator with documents to work
with. I hope that we will not have to spend funds to enter the
translated data in a database using a program similar to Excel. I would
expect that volunteers will step forward to do this. It will be the
responsiblity of a Project Leader to coordinate obtaining documents,
finding qualified translators, and getting volunteers to enter the
information into a standardized format. The Belarus SIG with the
assistance of JewishGen will provide the structure to collect tax
deductable (for US taxpayers) donations for a specified project. In
addition you will have an opportunity to make a donation to the JewishGen
infrastructure. To make it easier for you to make donations, please go
to the following web site:

<http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/belarus.html>;

If you like you can pay by credit card. If you are not comfortable
making credit card payments over the Internet, you can print out the form
on the screen and mail it to JewishGen in Houston, TX, using the address
on the form. Everyone should be aware that 100% of the money donated
goes to the project you designate. JewishGen does not take a % cut.

These are very exciting times for people who are researching family in
Belarus. We now have an organization to help us gather and share
information and records that will assist us in finding our roots. While
I recognize that there may be some people who may not be in a financial
position to make monetary donations, I hope that everyone will be able to
contribute in one way or another. This SIG will only be successful if
everyone helps.

Happy hunting,





David M. Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

JOIN THE BELARUS SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/belarus2.txt

Researching: Minsk: TSIVIN (SIVIN), RABINOWITZ, HURWITZ, FEIN
Mogilev & NYC: SCHENDEROFF (OV), TSIVIN, SHER, FYTELSON
Rogachev(BYL) & NYC: FYTELSON (FEITELSON), TELSON, COHEN
Popielniki, Dzurow, Banila (UKR): FUCHS, HUDES, MECHLAWICZ,

TISCHLER, LOBEL, LABALVITCH

Dear Belarus SIG Members,

Many of you have contacted via private mail to ask how you can contribute
funds to the SIG and to SIG projects.

We have decided that the Belarus SIG will NOT have any dues. The Belarus
Info File will be changed to reflect this. This is possible because
administrative expenses of the SIG will be picked up by JewishGen through
the generosity of an annonomous donnor.

However, we do need money to fund SIG projects that will benefit groups
of members, depending where there research interests reside. A few of
these projects have already been identified and some have already
started. In most cases we will have to pay for professional translation
services, especially for records that are handwritten in the old Russian
script. Sometimes money will be required to make hard copies >from
microfilms in order to provide the translator with documents to work
with. I hope that we will not have to spend funds to enter the
translated data in a database using a program similar to Excel. I would
expect that volunteers will step forward to do this. It will be the
responsiblity of a Project Leader to coordinate obtaining documents,
finding qualified translators, and getting volunteers to enter the
information into a standardized format. The Belarus SIG with the
assistance of JewishGen will provide the structure to collect tax
deductable (for US taxpayers) donations for a specified project. In
addition you will have an opportunity to make a donation to the JewishGen
infrastructure. To make it easier for you to make donations, please go
to the following web site:

<http://www.jewishgen.org/jewishgen-erosity/belarus.html>;

If you like you can pay by credit card. If you are not comfortable
making credit card payments over the Internet, you can print out the form
on the screen and mail it to JewishGen in Houston, TX, using the address
on the form. Everyone should be aware that 100% of the money donated
goes to the project you designate. JewishGen does not take a % cut.

These are very exciting times for people who are researching family in
Belarus. We now have an organization to help us gather and share
information and records that will assist us in finding our roots. While
I recognize that there may be some people who may not be in a financial
position to make monetary donations, I hope that everyone will be able to
contribute in one way or another. This SIG will only be successful if
everyone helps.

Happy hunting,





David M. Fox
fox@erols.com
Arnold, MD
Belarus SIG Coordinator

JOIN THE BELARUS SIG
http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/belarus2.txt

Researching: Minsk: TSIVIN (SIVIN), RABINOWITZ, HURWITZ, FEIN
Mogilev & NYC: SCHENDEROFF (OV), TSIVIN, SHER, FYTELSON
Rogachev(BYL) & NYC: FYTELSON (FEITELSON), TELSON, COHEN
Popielniki, Dzurow, Banila (UKR): FUCHS, HUDES, MECHLAWICZ,

TISCHLER, LOBEL, LABALVITCH

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I visited Batorove kosihy, (formerly Batorkeszi), Nove Zamky, and =
Komarno (all now Slovakia, formerly Hungary) with my father. We stayed =
in Bratislava as we were suspect of the standard of accommodation in =
those places. Driving 100-150 kilometres each day was no problem as the =
Slovak drivers were extremely courteous.=20

We were received by the Mayoress of B.k. (a farming village of 3,600 =
people) and she was absolutely charming. I do not understand Hungarian =
(she speaks Slovak but considers herself Hungarian) but my father told =
me it was delightful to listen to her speak in a 'parast' (peasant) way.
=20
Her assistant took us to the cemetery which is in a very poor state, =
overgrown with thorny bushes. Nevertheless, we found some family graves =
including my ggf and ggm.
=20
The Mayoress sent us to see her friend who is in charge of the Land =
Registry in Komarno. This was after we had assured them that we were not =
interested in making any claims (in any case, it is too late)!
=20
The information she gave us was extremely useful as the family had =
extensive land dealings. The land ownership records made things clearer =
as to who was related to whom as the records gave maiden names of any =
females. Where land was transferred following a death according to the =
will, it became clear who the siblings and grandchildren were.=20
=20
Nove Zamky (my father was born there) is an absolutely charmless town. =
My father had difficulty in finding his bearings as it has changed quite =
a lot since 1945. He finally found the street where the family lived and =
we met the grandson of the neighbour next to my grandfather's factory. =
The factory is long gone but the neighbour's house is still there.=20
Fortunately, we did not encounter anti-Semitism there (in fact, =
anywhere) that my aunt had when she visited. Some local women had told =
her that all the Szido (in a very derogatory tone) houses ("Jew houses") =
were demolished.

My father and I both enjoyed the trip very much. I would have been lost =
without my father who speaks Slovak (I can get by) and Hungarian . =20

A few days later, my father arrived in Zurich >from Bratislava, my mother =

from Tel Aviv and I >from Vienna and met in the hotel where my parents =

had a reservation.
=20
Early last year I was contacted by someone looking for Leitner family. =
Someone else had referred them to me via this group.=20
=20
I asked my father about it. He told me that in 1949, whilst he was in =
Vienna waiting for visa to Australia, he went with his cousin Andor =
Schmidl to meet some people in a cafe.=20
Andor introduced him to these people, the Leitners, and explained they =
were also cousins.=20
=20
My father now had no idea who these people were or how they were =
related.
=20
My mother and I waited in my parents room in the hotel in Zurich while =
my father went to put his documents in the hotel safe.=20
When he came back he told us how odd it was, the last person to sign the =
register for the hotel safe was someone with the name of Leitner.
=20
I, of course, was on the phone like a flash!
I explained to the elderly lady on the end of the line that I thought we =
may be related and asked her whether she would she like to join us in my =
parents' room.
She was staying in the room next door (there are 300 rooms!) and joined =
us immediately.=20
=20
"So, what is your name?"
"Binetter"
"Oh, of course we are related. My husband was Josef Leitner. His =
grandmother was Fanny (Fegele) Binetter.=20
Also, my name is Vera. My maiden name was Schmidl and Andor was my =
cousin."
=20
My father then realised her father was Sziga bacsi (uncle Sziga) who was =
also a first cousin to my grandfather!

We were with the lady my father met at coffee with Andor almost 50 years =
ago! =20
=20
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me it was=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Her assistant took us to the cemetery which is in a =
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graves=20
including my ggf and ggm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The Mayoress sent us to see her friend who is in =
charge of the=20
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were not=20
interested in making any claims (in any case, it is too =
late)!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The information she gave us was extremely useful as =
the family=20
had extensive land dealings. The land ownership records made things =
clearer as=20
to who was related to whom as the records gave maiden names of any =
females.=20
Where land was transferred following a death according to the will, it =
became=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Nove Zamky (my father was born there) is an =
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has=20
changed quite a lot since 1945. He finally found the street where the =
family=20
lived and we met the grandson of the neighbour next to my grandfather's =
factory.=20
The factory is long gone but the neighbour's house is still there. =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Fortunately, we did not encounter anti-Semitism =
there (in=20
fact, anywhere) that my aunt had when she visited. Some local women had =
told her=20
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houses&quot;)=20
were demolished.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My father and I both enjoyed the trip very =
much</FONT>. <FONT=20
size=3D2>I would have been lost without my father who speaks Slovak (I =
can get by)=20
and Hungarian .&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A few days later, my father arrived in Zurich >from =
Bratislava,=20
my mother >from Tel Aviv and I >from Vienna and met in the hotel where my =
parents=20
had a reservation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Early last year I was contacted by someone looking =
for Leitner=20
family. Someone else had referred them to me via this =
group.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I asked my father about it. He told me that in 1949, =
whilst he=20
was in Vienna waiting for visa to Australia, he went with his cousin =
Andor=20
Schmidl to meet some people in a cafe.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Andor introduced him to these people, the Leitners, =
and=20
explained they were also cousins.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My father now had no idea who these people were or =
how they=20
were related.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My mother and I waited in my parents room in the =
hotel in=20
Zurich while my father went to put his documents in the hotel safe.=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>When he came back he told us how odd it was, the =
last person=20
to sign the register for the hotel safe was someone with the name of=20
Leitner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I, of course, was on the phone like a =
flash!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I explained to the elderly lady on the end of the =
line that I=20
thought we may be related and asked her whether she would she like to =
join us in=20
my parents'&nbsp; room.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>She was staying in the room next door (there are 300 =
rooms!)=20
and joined us immediately.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&quot;So, what is your name?&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&quot;Binetter&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&quot;Oh, of course we are related. My husband was =
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Schmidl and Andor was my cousin.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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I visited Batorove kosihy, (formerly Batorkeszi), Nove Zamky, and =
Komarno (all now Slovakia, formerly Hungary) with my father. We stayed =
in Bratislava as we were suspect of the standard of accommodation in =
those places. Driving 100-150 kilometres each day was no problem as the =
Slovak drivers were extremely courteous.=20

We were received by the Mayoress of B.k. (a farming village of 3,600 =
people) and she was absolutely charming. I do not understand Hungarian =
(she speaks Slovak but considers herself Hungarian) but my father told =
me it was delightful to listen to her speak in a 'parast' (peasant) way.
=20
Her assistant took us to the cemetery which is in a very poor state, =
overgrown with thorny bushes. Nevertheless, we found some family graves =
including my ggf and ggm.
=20
The Mayoress sent us to see her friend who is in charge of the Land =
Registry in Komarno. This was after we had assured them that we were not =
interested in making any claims (in any case, it is too late)!
=20
The information she gave us was extremely useful as the family had =
extensive land dealings. The land ownership records made things clearer =
as to who was related to whom as the records gave maiden names of any =
females. Where land was transferred following a death according to the =
will, it became clear who the siblings and grandchildren were.=20
=20
Nove Zamky (my father was born there) is an absolutely charmless town. =
My father had difficulty in finding his bearings as it has changed quite =
a lot since 1945. He finally found the street where the family lived and =
we met the grandson of the neighbour next to my grandfather's factory. =
The factory is long gone but the neighbour's house is still there.=20
Fortunately, we did not encounter anti-Semitism there (in fact, =
anywhere) that my aunt had when she visited. Some local women had told =
her that all the Szido (in a very derogatory tone) houses ("Jew houses") =
were demolished.

My father and I both enjoyed the trip very much. I would have been lost =
without my father who speaks Slovak (I can get by) and Hungarian . =20

A few days later, my father arrived in Zurich >from Bratislava, my mother =

from Tel Aviv and I >from Vienna and met in the hotel where my parents =

had a reservation.
=20
Early last year I was contacted by someone looking for Leitner family. =
Someone else had referred them to me via this group.=20
=20
I asked my father about it. He told me that in 1949, whilst he was in =
Vienna waiting for visa to Australia, he went with his cousin Andor =
Schmidl to meet some people in a cafe.=20
Andor introduced him to these people, the Leitners, and explained they =
were also cousins.=20
=20
My father now had no idea who these people were or how they were =
related.
=20
My mother and I waited in my parents room in the hotel in Zurich while =
my father went to put his documents in the hotel safe.=20
When he came back he told us how odd it was, the last person to sign the =
register for the hotel safe was someone with the name of Leitner.
=20
I, of course, was on the phone like a flash!
I explained to the elderly lady on the end of the line that I thought we =
may be related and asked her whether she would she like to join us in my =
parents' room.
She was staying in the room next door (there are 300 rooms!) and joined =
us immediately.=20
=20
"So, what is your name?"
"Binetter"
"Oh, of course we are related. My husband was Josef Leitner. His =
grandmother was Fanny (Fegele) Binetter.=20
Also, my name is Vera. My maiden name was Schmidl and Andor was my =
cousin."
=20
My father then realised her father was Sziga bacsi (uncle Sziga) who was =
also a first cousin to my grandfather!

We were with the lady my father met at coffee with Andor almost 50 years =
ago! =20
=20
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Hungary) with=20
my father. We stayed in Bratislava as we were suspect of the standard of =

accommodation in those places. Driving 100-150 kilometres each day was =
no=20
problem as the Slovak drivers were extremely courteous. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We were received by the Mayoress of B.k. (a farming =
village of=20
3,600 people) and she was absolutely charming. I do not understand =
Hungarian=20
(she speaks Slovak but considers herself Hungarian) but my father told =
me it was=20
delightful to listen to her speak in a 'parast' (peasant) =
way.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Her assistant took us to the cemetery which is in a =
very poor=20
state, overgrown with thorny bushes. Nevertheless, we found some family =
graves=20
including my ggf and ggm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The Mayoress sent us to see her friend who is in =
charge of the=20
Land Registry in Komarno. This was after we had assured them that we =
were not=20
interested in making any claims (in any case, it is too =
late)!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The information she gave us was extremely useful as =
the family=20
had extensive land dealings. The land ownership records made things =
clearer as=20
to who was related to whom as the records gave maiden names of any =
females.=20
Where land was transferred following a death according to the will, it =
became=20
clear who the siblings and grandchildren were.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Nove Zamky (my father was born there) is an =
absolutely=20
charmless town. My father had difficulty in finding his bearings as it =
has=20
changed quite a lot since 1945. He finally found the street where the =
family=20
lived and we met the grandson of the neighbour next to my grandfather's =
factory.=20
The factory is long gone but the neighbour's house is still there. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Fortunately, we did not encounter anti-Semitism =
there (in=20
fact, anywhere) that my aunt had when she visited. Some local women had =
told her=20
that all the Szido (in a very derogatory tone) houses (&quot;Jew =
houses&quot;)=20
were demolished.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My father and I both enjoyed the trip very =
much</FONT>. <FONT=20
size=3D2>I would have been lost without my father who speaks Slovak (I =
can get by)=20
and Hungarian .&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A few days later, my father arrived in Zurich >from =
Bratislava,=20
my mother >from Tel Aviv and I >from Vienna and met in the hotel where my =
parents=20
had a reservation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Early last year I was contacted by someone looking =
for Leitner=20
family. Someone else had referred them to me via this =
group.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I asked my father about it. He told me that in 1949, =
whilst he=20
was in Vienna waiting for visa to Australia, he went with his cousin =
Andor=20
Schmidl to meet some people in a cafe.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Andor introduced him to these people, the Leitners, =
and=20
explained they were also cousins.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My father now had no idea who these people were or =
how they=20
were related.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My mother and I waited in my parents room in the =
hotel in=20
Zurich while my father went to put his documents in the hotel safe.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>When he came back he told us how odd it was, the =
last person=20
to sign the register for the hotel safe was someone with the name of=20
Leitner.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I, of course, was on the phone like a =
flash!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I explained to the elderly lady on the end of the =
line that I=20
thought we may be related and asked her whether she would she like to =
join us in=20
my parents'&nbsp; room.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>She was staying in the room next door (there are 300 =
rooms!)=20
and joined us immediately.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&quot;So, what is your name?&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&quot;Binetter&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&quot;Oh, of course we are related. My husband was =
Josef=20
Leitner. His grandmother was Fanny (Fegele) Binetter.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>Also, my name is Vera. My =
maiden name was=20
Schmidl and Andor was my cousin.&quot;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>My father then realised her father was Sziga bacsi =
(uncle=20
Sziga) who was also a first cousin to my grandfather!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>We were with the lady my father met at coffee with =
Andor=20
almost 50 years ago!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Errol Feldman wrote:

<< According to our family legend her Father was a teacher in
Minsk and they came >from a simple family. Other people tell me that if
she made it to the Imperial University she must have had more than just
a "simple" background. >>

Universities in Russian Empires of that time had low fees, and were free for
the half or more students that came >from poor families. To be a Jew was the
problem that made difficult admission to a University.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

Errol Feldman wrote:

<< According to our family legend her Father was a teacher in
Minsk and they came >from a simple family. Other people tell me that if
she made it to the Imperial University she must have had more than just
a "simple" background. >>

Universities in Russian Empires of that time had low fees, and were free for
the half or more students that came >from poor families. To be a Jew was the
problem that made difficult admission to a University.

Vitaly Charny
Birmingham, AL

I am a LITWIN >from Winnipeg; I have always been told that we are related
to Litwins in Montreal, brought over by relatives. I would love to know
more about your friend's background.

Carol S. Lipson
Writing Program
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244-1160
(315) 443=1067

Errol Feldman Wrote:

There was a Sy Litwin living in Montreal, member of Shaare HaShomayim
Synagogue. Very good friends of my family for years....can I help in any
way when I visit Montreal in September?

Moderator's Note: Once you make a connection, please start using private
e-mail instead of sending the message to the whole group, unless the
content will benefit other readers. All members of the group should review
some discussion group guidline found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/rulzfaq2.txt>;.

To those of you who went on the trip:

Please provide any info you can about Berehovo. (Also about Baia Mare
in Romania, if anyone traveled that far.)

Thanks, in advance.

Mark Deutsch
(My mother is >from Berehovo - Spitz)
(My Dad is >from Baia Mare - Deutsch)

I am a LITWIN >from Winnipeg; I have always been told that we are related
to Litwins in Montreal, brought over by relatives. I would love to know
more about your friend's background.

Carol S. Lipson
Writing Program
Syracuse University
Syracuse, NY 13244-1160
(315) 443=1067

Errol Feldman Wrote:

There was a Sy Litwin living in Montreal, member of Shaare HaShomayim
Synagogue. Very good friends of my family for years....can I help in any
way when I visit Montreal in September?

Moderator's Note: Once you make a connection, please start using private
e-mail instead of sending the message to the whole group, unless the
content will benefit other readers. All members of the group should review
some discussion group guidline found at <http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/rulzfaq2.txt>;.

To those of you who went on the trip:

Please provide any info you can about Berehovo. (Also about Baia Mare
in Romania, if anyone traveled that far.)

Thanks, in advance.

Mark Deutsch
(My mother is >from Berehovo - Spitz)
(My Dad is >from Baia Mare - Deutsch)